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		<title>By: Chris Kresser</title>
		<link>http://chriskresser.com/chinese-medicine-demystified-part-ii-origins-of-the-energy-meridian-myth#comment-7535</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kresser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel,

Glad to hear from you and to know there&#039;s someone in a position such as your representing this point of view!</description>
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<p>Glad to hear from you and to know there&#8217;s someone in a position such as your representing this point of view!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris
Thank you. I have been advocating a more rational reinterpretation for more than a decade. I began my studies in the laye &#039;60s and have studied extensively in China and am now the Vice Chair of the Oncology Section; World Federation of Chinese Medicine Socities. I am in complete agreement in that Chinese medicine is not being held in high regard due to its medieval language. The medicine works, without a doubt and clinically it really doesn&#039;t matter how we refer to its dynamics. However, when publishing a paper in a peer reviewd journal, it doesn&#039;t wash. 
I am embarrased when I see articles on Chinese medicine, claiming treatment successes with not a single reference or source, other than an ancient text. Zhang Zhongjing did not treat Attention Deficit Disorder and any claim that formulas contained within the &quot;Shang Han Za Bing Lun &quot; can treat ADD, without providing a reference is shocking. 
When I refer to qi, I suggest it is not a thing but a capacity, similar to the concept of allostasis. Allostasis is the process of achieving stability, or homeostasis, through physiological or behavioural change. In this, the process of adaptation is somatic, psychological, genetic and personal. Cultivating qi is the process of growth and adaptation in a changing world and if done well, long life results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris<br />
Thank you. I have been advocating a more rational reinterpretation for more than a decade. I began my studies in the laye &#8217;60s and have studied extensively in China and am now the Vice Chair of the Oncology Section; World Federation of Chinese Medicine Socities. I am in complete agreement in that Chinese medicine is not being held in high regard due to its medieval language. The medicine works, without a doubt and clinically it really doesn&#8217;t matter how we refer to its dynamics. However, when publishing a paper in a peer reviewd journal, it doesn&#8217;t wash.<br />
I am embarrased when I see articles on Chinese medicine, claiming treatment successes with not a single reference or source, other than an ancient text. Zhang Zhongjing did not treat Attention Deficit Disorder and any claim that formulas contained within the &#8220;Shang Han Za Bing Lun &#8221; can treat ADD, without providing a reference is shocking.<br />
When I refer to qi, I suggest it is not a thing but a capacity, similar to the concept of allostasis. Allostasis is the process of achieving stability, or homeostasis, through physiological or behavioural change. In this, the process of adaptation is somatic, psychological, genetic and personal. Cultivating qi is the process of growth and adaptation in a changing world and if done well, long life results.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 17 year veteran of TCM and acupuncture, and have long believed that acupuncture works, but not for the reasons that it claims to work. My problem with your hypothesis (with regard to western translations and French Bank clerks, etc), is that most of us were taught by actual Chinese doctors, trained in China. And all of them talk about Qi and Meridians, etc. It seems that if the confusion were a mere translation issue, that all of our Chinese teachers would have cleared it up by now. Are you claiming that all the generations of Doctors in China since the publication by Georges Soulie de Morant have studied his translation and that his errant translation has influenced the understandings, or rather misunderstanding of Chinese Medicine Globally ever since, including in China?

I suppose what I am saying is that I do not believe that Chinese medicine works for the reasons that it claims, and that there are perfectly logical, scientific reasons for how it works. Likewise, I am not disagreeing with your hypothesis that the ideas of Chinese Medicine have been wildly distorted, but I question whether it is for the reasons that you claim.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 17 year veteran of TCM and acupuncture, and have long believed that acupuncture works, but not for the reasons that it claims to work. My problem with your hypothesis (with regard to western translations and French Bank clerks, etc), is that most of us were taught by actual Chinese doctors, trained in China. And all of them talk about Qi and Meridians, etc. It seems that if the confusion were a mere translation issue, that all of our Chinese teachers would have cleared it up by now. Are you claiming that all the generations of Doctors in China since the publication by Georges Soulie de Morant have studied his translation and that his errant translation has influenced the understandings, or rather misunderstanding of Chinese Medicine Globally ever since, including in China?</p>
<p>I suppose what I am saying is that I do not believe that Chinese medicine works for the reasons that it claims, and that there are perfectly logical, scientific reasons for how it works. Likewise, I am not disagreeing with your hypothesis that the ideas of Chinese Medicine have been wildly distorted, but I question whether it is for the reasons that you claim.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kresser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kresser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My advice is not to worry too much about the style, and just find a good teacher that you feel comfortable with.  That will make the biggest difference in the end.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice is not to worry too much about the style, and just find a good teacher that you feel comfortable with.  That will make the biggest difference in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: jerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

SO glad I stumbled onto your site from a comment another &quot;skeptic&quot; site that was hardly as informative.  Really enjoying all the posts I&#039;ve read so far.

I&#039;ve experienced great physical and health benefits from yoga and  recently taken up qigong practice on my own and was under the impression that its basis is moving &quot;energy&quot; (or whatever you want to call it) from the dan tien.  Yet one of the quotes you list above says &quot;there is no evidence... that qi as energy that moves around exists.&quot;  Excuse my ignorance but is my understanding of how qigong works incorrect or is it just that there is no scientific evidence to prove it?

Also, would you be so kind as to suggest a particular system and book/video/instructor of qigong that seems most effective?  The more I research the more confused I get -- the information available to us here seems woefully inadequate and largely opinionated nonsense.  All this stuff about high-level vs. low-level qigong, and that certain forms can be dangerous to practice sounds like a bunch of hooey on the surface.  I know everyone has their opinion but I&#039;m more inclined to trust yours having read your writing.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>SO glad I stumbled onto your site from a comment another &#8220;skeptic&#8221; site that was hardly as informative.  Really enjoying all the posts I&#8217;ve read so far.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve experienced great physical and health benefits from yoga and  recently taken up qigong practice on my own and was under the impression that its basis is moving &#8220;energy&#8221; (or whatever you want to call it) from the dan tien.  Yet one of the quotes you list above says &#8220;there is no evidence&#8230; that qi as energy that moves around exists.&#8221;  Excuse my ignorance but is my understanding of how qigong works incorrect or is it just that there is no scientific evidence to prove it?</p>
<p>Also, would you be so kind as to suggest a particular system and book/video/instructor of qigong that seems most effective?  The more I research the more confused I get &#8212; the information available to us here seems woefully inadequate and largely opinionated nonsense.  All this stuff about high-level vs. low-level qigong, and that certain forms can be dangerous to practice sounds like a bunch of hooey on the surface.  I know everyone has their opinion but I&#8217;m more inclined to trust yours having read your writing.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kresser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kresser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 15:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob: there are two different issues here.  The first is what the classical texts suggest about the existence of meridians.  The second is what I believe about them.  As to the first, I agree that there is conflicting evidence.  As to the second, I try to keep an open mind about it but currently I don&#039;t resonate with the idea of meridians as energetic lines transmitting an energy called qi and an immaterial version of blood as we&#039;re taught in school.  And as a martial artist myself, I don&#039;t see that explanation as necessary to describe the sensory phenomena I experience in practicing them.  All of it can be explained according to blood flow, nerve transmission, etc.  That&#039;s no less &quot;magical&quot; to me than the energy meridian idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: there are two different issues here.  The first is what the classical texts suggest about the existence of meridians.  The second is what I believe about them.  As to the first, I agree that there is conflicting evidence.  As to the second, I try to keep an open mind about it but currently I don&#8217;t resonate with the idea of meridians as energetic lines transmitting an energy called qi and an immaterial version of blood as we&#8217;re taught in school.  And as a martial artist myself, I don&#8217;t see that explanation as necessary to describe the sensory phenomena I experience in practicing them.  All of it can be explained according to blood flow, nerve transmission, etc.  That&#8217;s no less &#8220;magical&#8221; to me than the energy meridian idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious how you feel about the scrolls found in the tomb at Ma Wang Du, which would have been sealed about 200BCE, which contain information and drawings of a meridian system. I understand the &quot;modern&quot; system we use today is different, but there was some evidence of the concept over 2200 years ago; long before De Morant. Further, what about the co-development of qi cultivation and it&#039;s reliance on the meridian system for distibution in the martial arts, again taking place long before any translation of the HDNJ ?
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious how you feel about the scrolls found in the tomb at Ma Wang Du, which would have been sealed about 200BCE, which contain information and drawings of a meridian system. I understand the &#8220;modern&#8221; system we use today is different, but there was some evidence of the concept over 2200 years ago; long before De Morant. Further, what about the co-development of qi cultivation and it&#8217;s reliance on the meridian system for distibution in the martial arts, again taking place long before any translation of the HDNJ ?<br />
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		<title>By: James Pannozzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Pannozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can and do question everything, everyday - the patients deserve no less.
Did not know about Wang Shugin, I shall look up his book with interest, thanks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can and do question everything, everyday &#8211; the patients deserve no less.<br />
Did not know about Wang Shugin, I shall look up his book with interest, thanks!<br />
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		<title>By: Chris Kresser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kresser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Great to hear from a fellow practitioner willing to question the TCM dogma!

Wang Shujin is a legend in Chinese internal arts.  His &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Bagua-Linked-Palms-Shujin-Wang/dp/1583942645/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1270480939&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt; is a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Great to hear from a fellow practitioner willing to question the TCM dogma!</p>
<p>Wang Shujin is a legend in Chinese internal arts.  His <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Bagua-Linked-Palms-Shujin-Wang/dp/1583942645/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1270480939&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">book</a> is a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: James Pannozzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Pannozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for an excellent article.  I&#039;m a recent graduate of a TCM medical college, a very fine one and my training was long an arduous and included many hours in the student clinic and at a local hospital.   From the first moment of hearing about &quot;qi&quot; and the &quot;meridians&quot; I have been fighting with myself about their existence.  The results I can get with Acupuncture seem to confirm their reality but my logic tells me to look deeper, that these concepts may be mere constructs though they may correctly predict reactions to acupuncture and correctly be used in understanding and diagnosing.
I gradually came to realize that the TCM I was being taught was a construct created to &quot;scientize&quot; Chinese medicine and make it more acceptable to the west and to the sceptics who correctly criticized certain aspects of its theories.   Searching back in time I found De Morant&#039;s massive opus, &quot;Chinese Acupuncture&quot; and continue to read it.   It is a great book even if he did get some of the concepts wrong.   But something still was not quite right for me so I kept going backwards.  Eventually I discovered Porkert and Schnorrenberge&#039;s wonderful expose&#039;s  and since then have determined to study classical Chinese language and read things from the source.   The idea that the ancient Chinese were a bunch of primitive superstitious people railing on and on about yin and yang is a myth that will only be dispelled when the massive amounts of ancient medical literature in their language starts getting translated.  The Shang Han Lun (see recently suuperb translation by Wiseman) is but  a single example.
Do the meridians and &quot;qi&quot; exist as energy and &quot;pathways&quot;?  I no longer have to worry about that.  What I do know is that whatever the basis of the Acupuncture curative effect, if it be anatomical landmarks misinterpreted by western translators as meridians, or actual undiscovered paths in tissue, or neurological effects, or a combination, the Chinese have already given us a vast treasure and their inductive descriptions of the points to use for various situations and the effects to be expected are used by thousands of acupuncturists every day!
One other question, if I may - could you suggest a good book or video on Ba Gua?
It is something I have been looking into and wish to learn more.   Thanks again for quite an interesting article.  I shall be reading this blog, with interest, from now on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for an excellent article.  I&#8217;m a recent graduate of a TCM medical college, a very fine one and my training was long an arduous and included many hours in the student clinic and at a local hospital.   From the first moment of hearing about &#8220;qi&#8221; and the &#8220;meridians&#8221; I have been fighting with myself about their existence.  The results I can get with Acupuncture seem to confirm their reality but my logic tells me to look deeper, that these concepts may be mere constructs though they may correctly predict reactions to acupuncture and correctly be used in understanding and diagnosing.<br />
I gradually came to realize that the TCM I was being taught was a construct created to &#8220;scientize&#8221; Chinese medicine and make it more acceptable to the west and to the sceptics who correctly criticized certain aspects of its theories.   Searching back in time I found De Morant&#8217;s massive opus, &#8220;Chinese Acupuncture&#8221; and continue to read it.   It is a great book even if he did get some of the concepts wrong.   But something still was not quite right for me so I kept going backwards.  Eventually I discovered Porkert and Schnorrenberge&#8217;s wonderful expose&#8217;s  and since then have determined to study classical Chinese language and read things from the source.   The idea that the ancient Chinese were a bunch of primitive superstitious people railing on and on about yin and yang is a myth that will only be dispelled when the massive amounts of ancient medical literature in their language starts getting translated.  The Shang Han Lun (see recently suuperb translation by Wiseman) is but  a single example.<br />
Do the meridians and &#8220;qi&#8221; exist as energy and &#8220;pathways&#8221;?  I no longer have to worry about that.  What I do know is that whatever the basis of the Acupuncture curative effect, if it be anatomical landmarks misinterpreted by western translators as meridians, or actual undiscovered paths in tissue, or neurological effects, or a combination, the Chinese have already given us a vast treasure and their inductive descriptions of the points to use for various situations and the effects to be expected are used by thousands of acupuncturists every day!<br />
One other question, if I may &#8211; could you suggest a good book or video on Ba Gua?<br />
It is something I have been looking into and wish to learn more.   Thanks again for quite an interesting article.  I shall be reading this blog, with interest, from now on!</p>
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		<description>Hi Donna,

Thanks for your comment.  I&#039;ll be addressing several of the points you raise in the next article, which should go up tomorrow or Tuesday.

First, it&#039;s important to note that I&#039;m not talking about a biomedical interpretation of acupuncture and Chinese medicine (although I will cover that in a future article).  I&#039;m talking about a historically accurate interpretation based on what is found in the authoritative classic texts, such as the Huangdi Neijing. The energy meridian version of Chinese medicine we study in school is a western creation inspired by the mistranslations of a French bank clerk.  

This is not simply my opinion or the opinion of a single individual.  It&#039;s widely agreed upon by the most prominent scholars of Chinese medicine, both in China and outside of China.  Here&#039;s a selection of quotes:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It is a fact that more than 95 percent of all literature published in western languages on Chinese medicine reflect western expectations rather than Chinese historical reality.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The core Chinese concept of qi bears no resemblance to the Western concept of &#039;energy&#039;.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

- Paul Unschuld,  historian of Chinese medicine

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Qi is &quot;certainly not equivalent to the Western term &#039;energy&#039;.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

- Claus Schnorrenberger, historian of Chinese medicine

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Over several centuries, clinical realities that did not fit into an existing theory of Chinese medicine were often suppressed to ensure continuity of the theories, in a style that the Chinese call &#039;cutting the foot to fit the shoe&#039;.  The channel/meridian theory has successfully accomplished its historical mission of preserving and developing acupuncture, though presently in the form of 14 rigid lines it has become the narrow neck of the bottle which is impeding further development of acupuncture into the 21st century.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

- Professor Huang Long-xiang, VP of Acupuncture Institute of China Academy of Chinese Medical Sciences in Beijing and Editor-in-Chief of Acupuncture Research and World Journal of Acupuncture

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It is now clear to those who are prepared to think and look beyond the self enclosing loops of traditional dogma that after four decades of research there is no evidence meridians exist nor that qi as energy that moves around exists.  Even precise acupoints for the most part don&#039;t exist.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

- Yun-Tao Ma, Mila Ma, Zang Hee Cho, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Biomedical-Acupuncture-Pain-Management-Integrative/dp/0443066590/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1268004297&amp;sr=8-2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biomedical Acupuncture for Pain Management - An Integrative Approach&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Despite the historical evidence that it was originally meant to represent pre-modern shorthand for the vascular system, the meridian system shows up repeatedly in contemporary books and articles as supposed evidence of subtle metaphysical energy in the body.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

- Long-xiang Huang in Ma, Ma &amp; Cho

I think the evidence is quite strong that:
&lt;ol&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Qi is not equivalent to energy in either a historical or modern context&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;What we refer to as meridians in the west are actually longitudinal physiological pathways including blood vessels, nerves and muscles&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The &quot;energy meridian&quot; model which arose out of the mistranslation of the characters qi and mai is a uniquely western construct created primarily by the work of a single individual&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

As I said to begin with, this is not about explaining Chinese medicine from a biomedical perspective.  It&#039;s about explaining it from an authentic Chinese perspective.

One last thing: as you may be aware, Dr. Donald Kendall&#039;s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Dao-Chinese-Medicine-Understanding-Ancient/dp/0195921046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1268005054&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Dao of Chinese Medicine&lt;/a&gt; was the first book (to my knowledge) in the west to directly challenge the &quot;energy meridian&quot; concept.  When he submitted the manuscript to Oxford University Press, they said, &quot;We can&#039;t print this!  It contradicts everything that&#039;s ever been printed about Chinese medicine in English so far!&quot;  Kendall told them they were welcome to poke holes in his arguments if they could.  So Oxford Press submitted the manuscript to a rigorous peer review process over the next three years.  They sent it to reputable scholars of Chinese medicine in China, Japan and Korea.  And not a single person was able to find a flaw in his research or conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Donna,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  I&#8217;ll be addressing several of the points you raise in the next article, which should go up tomorrow or Tuesday.</p>
<p>First, it&#8217;s important to note that I&#8217;m not talking about a biomedical interpretation of acupuncture and Chinese medicine (although I will cover that in a future article).  I&#8217;m talking about a historically accurate interpretation based on what is found in the authoritative classic texts, such as the Huangdi Neijing. The energy meridian version of Chinese medicine we study in school is a western creation inspired by the mistranslations of a French bank clerk.  </p>
<p>This is not simply my opinion or the opinion of a single individual.  It&#8217;s widely agreed upon by the most prominent scholars of Chinese medicine, both in China and outside of China.  Here&#8217;s a selection of quotes:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;It is a fact that more than 95 percent of all literature published in western languages on Chinese medicine reflect western expectations rather than Chinese historical reality.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;The core Chinese concept of qi bears no resemblance to the Western concept of &#8216;energy&#8217;.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>- Paul Unschuld,  historian of Chinese medicine</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Qi is &#8220;certainly not equivalent to the Western term &#8216;energy&#8217;.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>- Claus Schnorrenberger, historian of Chinese medicine</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Over several centuries, clinical realities that did not fit into an existing theory of Chinese medicine were often suppressed to ensure continuity of the theories, in a style that the Chinese call &#8216;cutting the foot to fit the shoe&#8217;.  The channel/meridian theory has successfully accomplished its historical mission of preserving and developing acupuncture, though presently in the form of 14 rigid lines it has become the narrow neck of the bottle which is impeding further development of acupuncture into the 21st century.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>- Professor Huang Long-xiang, VP of Acupuncture Institute of China Academy of Chinese Medical Sciences in Beijing and Editor-in-Chief of Acupuncture Research and World Journal of Acupuncture</p>
<p><em>&#8220;It is now clear to those who are prepared to think and look beyond the self enclosing loops of traditional dogma that after four decades of research there is no evidence meridians exist nor that qi as energy that moves around exists.  Even precise acupoints for the most part don&#8217;t exist.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>- Yun-Tao Ma, Mila Ma, Zang Hee Cho, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Biomedical-Acupuncture-Pain-Management-Integrative/dp/0443066590/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1268004297&#038;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Biomedical Acupuncture for Pain Management &#8211; An Integrative Approach</a></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Despite the historical evidence that it was originally meant to represent pre-modern shorthand for the vascular system, the meridian system shows up repeatedly in contemporary books and articles as supposed evidence of subtle metaphysical energy in the body.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>- Long-xiang Huang in Ma, Ma &#038; Cho</p>
<p>I think the evidence is quite strong that:</p>
<ol>
<li>Qi is not equivalent to energy in either a historical or modern context</li>
<li>What we refer to as meridians in the west are actually longitudinal physiological pathways including blood vessels, nerves and muscles</li>
<li>The &#8220;energy meridian&#8221; model which arose out of the mistranslation of the characters qi and mai is a uniquely western construct created primarily by the work of a single individual</li>
</ol>
<p>As I said to begin with, this is not about explaining Chinese medicine from a biomedical perspective.  It&#8217;s about explaining it from an authentic Chinese perspective.</p>
<p>One last thing: as you may be aware, Dr. Donald Kendall&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dao-Chinese-Medicine-Understanding-Ancient/dp/0195921046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1268005054&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Dao of Chinese Medicine</a> was the first book (to my knowledge) in the west to directly challenge the &#8220;energy meridian&#8221; concept.  When he submitted the manuscript to Oxford University Press, they said, &#8220;We can&#8217;t print this!  It contradicts everything that&#8217;s ever been printed about Chinese medicine in English so far!&#8221;  Kendall told them they were welcome to poke holes in his arguments if they could.  So Oxford Press submitted the manuscript to a rigorous peer review process over the next three years.  They sent it to reputable scholars of Chinese medicine in China, Japan and Korea.  And not a single person was able to find a flaw in his research or conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Chang</dc:creator>
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		<description>1)
Trying to understand the meaning of Qi (or any word) from a dictionary is a very misguided approach. Words have connotation and denotation. There are a lot more to the meaning of a word to what a dictionary states. To understand just one word, or a concept of the word, you need to understand the wider cultural, historical context in which it is used, not from some second-hand interpretation from someone who didn&#039;t even grow up in that culture, or may not speak the language . The language itself is highly contextual, so is the way the chinese speak.
And which dictionary are you using anyway? Chinese use 2 kinds of dictionary, the first kind focuses on just the word alone; the second kind explains usage and also meanings of character combinations. Characters are mostly used combined with other characters to form new meanings. My 1948 Chinese dictionary (it&#039;s the second kind) first gives a few &quot;definitions&quot; of Qi, and gives an example to use the word, often the example is from a classical text (which I am abbreviating, shortening, it is very difficult to translate, some are flat out untralatable. It would take me a half a day to really do it justice. And my pin yin is probably not accurate, as I am a cantonese speaker) ): 1) a state of matter that&#039;s not solid nor liquid, e.g kong qi: air  2) breath  e.g. ping qi ci bu shi (holding breath as if breathing) 3) smell 4) a certain quality/nature e.g. yu zhi jiang yi qi yue (your will is strong while your qi is weak) 5) an outward expression of jing shen (e.g. yong qi: courage) 6) as in  jie qi (like the 24 qi nodes in the lunar calendar). Then the dictionary lists different combinations of __ qi, or qi __ and their meanings. 
I am open to hear different interpretations. We are all trying to learn here, and sure it is fine to spread ideas you&#039;ve read/heard somewhere that you are excited about. But you try to sound so authoritative about how this is what Qi means, that is what not Qi means, I have to really question, where exactly are you drawing this from?
2) 
My interpretation is that translating Qi as either air or energy are both right in some ways, but neither are the only way to talk about it. The same can be said about most different interpretations of a chinese word. It is just not necessary to be dogmatic about it. Too much suffering in the world has been caused by this &quot;I am right, you are wrong&quot; attitude already :-)
3) 
I don&#039;t doubt that there are many concepts in chinese medicine that can be partly explained using western bio-medical terms. After all, it is the same body that we are talking about. And chinese medicine diagnosis are all based on what you see, smell, touch, hear. Nothing woo-woo about it. However, the western bio-medical language is not without it&#039;s limits. It is mostly based on biochemistry, and has not taken many new physics theories into consideration. The full essence of chinese medicine just can&#039;t be conveyed by reductionist western medicine language.
That said, knowing some ways of explaining chinese medicine with some biomedical terms is helpful. If you can explain to someone about acupuncture with the gate control theory, or that it brings blood flow to the area, which bring oxygen/ other nutrients etc, and they would be more convinced, why not? So, since I missed Bob Doane&#039;s lecture last wednesday (and didn&#039;t write down everything at his webinar), I am glad that you are summarizing it here.
 
 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1)<br />
Trying to understand the meaning of Qi (or any word) from a dictionary is a very misguided approach. Words have connotation and denotation. There are a lot more to the meaning of a word to what a dictionary states. To understand just one word, or a concept of the word, you need to understand the wider cultural, historical context in which it is used, not from some second-hand interpretation from someone who didn&#8217;t even grow up in that culture, or may not speak the language . The language itself is highly contextual, so is the way the chinese speak.<br />
And which dictionary are you using anyway? Chinese use 2 kinds of dictionary, the first kind focuses on just the word alone; the second kind explains usage and also meanings of character combinations. Characters are mostly used combined with other characters to form new meanings. My 1948 Chinese dictionary (it&#8217;s the second kind) first gives a few &#8220;definitions&#8221; of Qi, and gives an example to use the word, often the example is from a classical text (which I am abbreviating, shortening, it is very difficult to translate, some are flat out untralatable. It would take me a half a day to really do it justice. And my pin yin is probably not accurate, as I am a cantonese speaker) ): 1) a state of matter that&#8217;s not solid nor liquid, e.g kong qi: air  2) breath  e.g. ping qi ci bu shi (holding breath as if breathing) 3) smell 4) a certain quality/nature e.g. yu zhi jiang yi qi yue (your will is strong while your qi is weak) 5) an outward expression of jing shen (e.g. yong qi: courage) 6) as in  jie qi (like the 24 qi nodes in the lunar calendar). Then the dictionary lists different combinations of __ qi, or qi __ and their meanings. <br />
I am open to hear different interpretations. We are all trying to learn here, and sure it is fine to spread ideas you&#8217;ve read/heard somewhere that you are excited about. But you try to sound so authoritative about how this is what Qi means, that is what not Qi means, I have to really question, where exactly are you drawing this from?<br />
2) <br />
My interpretation is that translating Qi as either air or energy are both right in some ways, but neither are the only way to talk about it. The same can be said about most different interpretations of a chinese word. It is just not necessary to be dogmatic about it. Too much suffering in the world has been caused by this &#8220;I am right, you are wrong&#8221; attitude already <img src='http://chriskresser.chriskresserlac.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
3) <br />
I don&#8217;t doubt that there are many concepts in chinese medicine that can be partly explained using western bio-medical terms. After all, it is the same body that we are talking about. And chinese medicine diagnosis are all based on what you see, smell, touch, hear. Nothing woo-woo about it. However, the western bio-medical language is not without it&#8217;s limits. It is mostly based on biochemistry, and has not taken many new physics theories into consideration. The full essence of chinese medicine just can&#8217;t be conveyed by reductionist western medicine language.<br />
That said, knowing some ways of explaining chinese medicine with some biomedical terms is helpful. If you can explain to someone about acupuncture with the gate control theory, or that it brings blood flow to the area, which bring oxygen/ other nutrients etc, and they would be more convinced, why not? So, since I missed Bob Doane&#8217;s lecture last wednesday (and didn&#8217;t write down everything at his webinar), I am glad that you are summarizing it here.<br />
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		<title>By: Philip Nino Tan-Gatue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Nino Tan-Gatue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a western MD who also studied chinese medicine.  I wouldn&#039;t translate Qi as just &quot;energy&quot; because it is much more than that.  It&#039;s what we say to laymen because it&#039;s the easiest way to communicate it, albeit not the ideal way.  I would say that &quot;dynamism&quot; or &quot;functionality&quot; is more to my liking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a western MD who also studied chinese medicine.  I wouldn&#8217;t translate Qi as just &#8220;energy&#8221; because it is much more than that.  It&#8217;s what we say to laymen because it&#8217;s the easiest way to communicate it, albeit not the ideal way.  I would say that &#8220;dynamism&#8221; or &#8220;functionality&#8221; is more to my liking.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Josh,

The notion that the ancient Chinese didn&#039;t perform dissection is a common misconception.  It&#039;s completely false, as anyone who has read the Huangdi Neijing can tell you.  I&#039;m not sure why that idea is so prevalent.  I heard it myself early in my education many times.

I think the reason CM doesn&#039;t have a robust surgical or trauma medicine is that it was more focused on cultivating health than managing disease.  Whereas western medicine has always been focused on treating trauma, Chinese medicine&#039;s purpose has always been to improve quality of life and reduce morbidity.

I&#039;ll have more to say on this in a future post in the series.

Thanks for the feedback, and stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Josh,</p>
<p>The notion that the ancient Chinese didn&#8217;t perform dissection is a common misconception.  It&#8217;s completely false, as anyone who has read the Huangdi Neijing can tell you.  I&#8217;m not sure why that idea is so prevalent.  I heard it myself early in my education many times.</p>
<p>I think the reason CM doesn&#8217;t have a robust surgical or trauma medicine is that it was more focused on cultivating health than managing disease.  Whereas western medicine has always been focused on treating trauma, Chinese medicine&#8217;s purpose has always been to improve quality of life and reduce morbidity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have more to say on this in a future post in the series.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback, and stay tuned!</p>
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