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Mona
I have used both medication and non-medicinal methods for treating my depression. The first time I went through a depression, it was overwhelming. I was a full-time student and working part-time in a Biotech lab with grad students so I had to stay focused. I was a little scared at the ease of actually getting a prescription for antidepressants. It was a list of questions that qualified me as a candidate (if the patients says yes to any of these then they qualify).
I started them at low doses and read the warning label. (Warning: if you stop using this medication without doctors consent, you may have suicidal tendencies.) I did a lot of drugs when I was younger and can honestly say that the first few days were like taking ecstasy but only a bad trip. I wanted to stop taking it because I felt chittert and high all the time. Then the effects subdued. I didn’t care about anything anymore so nothing bothered me. It was hard to care about studying for test too but I got through my semester. It was better than trying to study and go to work without sleep and not eating all day. I was an advocate for antidepressants for that very reason.
But my problem was never solved. After the cause of my depression was a distant memory, the same cycle started again. I was depressed all over again with the same symptoms. I was a little older and tired of the cycle so I did some research on my own. I self-diagnosed myself as codependent and started therapy, exercising, and group therapy. Exercising was great but the effects are not instantanious like you would expect. It took time for my adrenaline levels to reach their peak, like weeks. Then I felt great. I was strong physically and mentally. (And I looked great too.) People started to notice the change which made me feel better . Likewise, therapy helped me treat the problem, not just the symptoms.
I still get sad, angry, and frustrated but each episode is shorter and less intense than the last. My most frequent lasted only one afternoon.
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@Mona:
Thanks for your comment, Mona. I’m glad you’ve learned some non-drug strategies that have helped you to be more resilient.
Chris
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Tam
I am just starting this journey of depression/anxiety treatment. I am seeing a counselor which helps a little. I think therapy would be more effective if the couselor/patient match was better. She recommended that I take antidepressants and scheduled me to see a Nurse Practitioner who gave me sample doses of Lexapro to try for 3 weeks. That was a week ago and I have yet to take the first pill. There is just some sense of apprehension inside me not to do so, even before researching the side effects, which, by the way, the nurse didn’t share with me.
I am hoping that my condition is temporary and related to a number of major changes I have experienced in the past couple of years and will eventually get better. I am going to try some of the recommendations in this article. I used to practice yoga, meditate and run regularly but stopped doing so once this depression set in. I am going to do my best to start these practices again. I’m also going to try eating healthier as I find I eat lots of junk food in response to stress. That can’t be helping the cause!
My dad committed suicide 2 years ago. My main fear is that I will end up like him. -
Ralph Taite
I know you’re trying to bring healthy skepticism to all branches of medicine, but I think you need to be careful when discussing recent claims that antidepressants are no better than placebo.
Remember, prior to SSRIs like Prozac, antidepressants had such a bad side effects profile that only people with true biological depression were being treated. And we know from that period that the MAO inhibitors and tricyclics did in fact save lives and reduced depression as compared to placebo.
And that’s with crappy first generation drugs.
Where we’re running into problems now is SSRIs are being prescribed to people who are just upset about a divorce or a death in the family. Of course, in that instance, they would be no more effective than placebo since life event depression (without a biological enforcer) typically goes away in 6 months anyway.
I have used Prozac and I come from a family which definitely has biological markers for depression and anxiety. When I first had depression, it did provide relief better than anything I had tried previously. I have since learned there are natural things (i.e., GABA and its derivatives, valerian root, D-phenylalanine, high omega 3 fish oil, etc), but to say that antidepressants have no role in treating biological depression is simply false.
The brain and nervous system is a chemical messaging network. Just as computers use electronic 0′s and 1′s to communicate messages between subsystems, the brain uses messaging chemicals to communicate information between neurons. In some people, those systems don’t work properly. I know this because I can see how supplements and drugs affect my moods and my mental state.
My depression was made worse by the exercise which you describe as a treatment. I would have a panic attack after a heavy workout thinking, like you, that I could treat this thing with exercise alone. It turned out that Prozac helped me get over the panic attacks so I could buy some time to learn other methods of depression management.
To Tam, I hope you do learn more about depression and don’t simply read blogs which suggest that exercise and psychotherapy will cure it. For people who have depression in their genetic makeup, drugs can help a lot and may save your life. I hope you do learn about the major mood neurotransmitters like serotonin, norepinephrine (adrenaline), dopamine and GABA and how drugs which target each system can help you manage your depression.
Also, people who have gone through traumatic events may have altered brain function. They may be overly sensitive to adrenaline — as I believe our family has a genetic tendency toward — and it may take a while for the brain’s receptors to “down regulate” (meaning reduce their sensitivity). People who have post traumatic stress disorder often have just had too much adrenaline pumped through their systems to the point that their bodies do not react to it properly. GABA acts like a big stop sign to overactive neurons and supplements which enhance GABA transmission in the brain can help calm the symptoms of PTSD.
I am a firm believer that we do need chemical intervention at times to deal with depression. If you get right down to it, food itself is a chemical fuel and we already know our choices of food can affect mood and depression. The most important thing is to educate yourself about both sides of the issue.
By the way, I do agree with the blog author that cholesterol appears to not be the big risk factor in coronary heart disease — however, oxidated LDL does — and therefore we must learn how to control oxidation in the body.
Which, once again, is a chemical process.
Ralph :)
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Christine
Thank you, Ralph. I am a psychotherapist, and I am currently taking Lexapro after a depressive episode so bad that I lost 35 lbs in 5 months and 1/2 my hair fell out. I have FM and CFS, so exercise is not the answer for me. I have also been in a lot of therapy of the kind mentioned with no improvement. I do not often recommend antidepressants to my patients, because I work with grief and trauma, and depression is a temporary part of that. But the occasional person I refer has seen a HUGE improvement in their depressive symptoms. To say that they simply do not work is dangerous. People do not all fit neatly into one box.
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Tam
First let me say thank you Ralph for your personal response. I hope you are doing well.
It’s been 9 months since my previous post on this site. I did not take the SSRI prescribed to me in 07/2009. I started seeing a new counselor who is a better match for me. She is actually teaching me things which are helping me tremendously. I have started taking better care of me by doing things I used to love: running, yoga, meditation. I have been certified in first degree Reiki and am taking the second degree Reiki class tomorrow. Reiki has been wonderful for me; it relaxes and calms me like nothing else. I’ve learned to speak up for myself instead of constantly feeling like a victim. My self-esteem is getting stronger. I’m learning about myself and why I act and react the way that I do and how to change those actions that are less than desireable. I’m learning that it’s okay to feel unhappy, sad, mad, happy, glad, etc. I’d put myself into a spiral of guilt because I thought I should be happy all the time. My life is really good so why would I feel sad? I realized that I was/am grieving the loss of my single life after I got remarried a year and a half ago to a wonderful man with a lot of baggage in the form of an ex-wife, 2 children and an overly involved mother! No wonder I was unhappy! ha!
Anyway….what I want to say is that I am glad I didn’t go the medication route. For me it was not the best treatment. I am not even sure that I was really depressed. Yes, I displayed some symptoms of depression but I think I was in mourning. Mourning the “death” of my previous lifestyle.
I can’t say that I agree or disagree with the treatment of depression with medication. I guess if the disease is debilitating and the person doesn’t respond to any other treatment then okay. I am blessed and grateful that I am not in that situation.
Peace and blessing to all that are. -
Ralph Taite
Tam,
That’s great news. I support any therapies which bring you the results you desire. For me, it must be a combination of psychotherapy and supplements or medication to address the underlying neurological disorder. If psychotherapy in the form of meditation, Reiki, yoga, etc works for you, then I concur with you that you should utilize them first.
I think you are correct that your depression was a result of a big life change and not indicative of an underlying psychiatric disorder. My point to the author of the blog was that some people do have serious psychological issues which won’t be cured by exercise, meditation or diet alone.
Ralph
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Joan
I am 60 yrs old and have taken SSRI steadily for the past 13 yrs. My first experience with antidepressants was at age 34 when I took a TCA for 3 months - I was reluctant to see what I was experiencing as Depression (ie meeting DSM3 (at that time) criteria but was persuaded to try a TCA just for a couple weeks to see if I got any response. I did, and it started on about the 7th day. It was like a miracle. Profoundly helpful. I had every side effect in the book and successfully went off the medication after 3 months which was what was recommended at the time.
I continued to be highly reluctant to take medications to treat subsequent episodes of depression. I have tended, since I have studied pharmacology, and do have a healthy degree of scepticism, to want to avoid drugs when ever possible. I have suffered through periods of depression without meds but with substantial costs in my family life, and costs in terms of personal suffering.
I have worried that I might be doing harm to myself by not treatment depression chemically. Several years after developing a chronic illness (autoimmune) that i decided to take drugs if they helped. So now I have taken Celexa for 13 yrs. At times I have reduced the dose form 40 to 20 mg, but have not done that for at least 6 years.
There is multigenerational suicide and depression in my family -and I have felt very lucky to live in a time when antidepressants are available. I have accepted that I do have a genetic tendency toward depression. I do light therapy in the winter as I do also have SAD. Aerobic exercize is not a possibility for me.
I am concerned re long term side effects of Celexa and do want to get off of it. So,I am planning to do another trial of reduction of dose. I will of course go slow.
What suggestions do you have for things I can do to mitigate against the disruption I am bound to experience with a brain that has become accustomed to Celexa for so long?
Thanks,
Joan
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Chris Kresser
Joan,
All of my recommendations are contained in the “Treating depression without drugs” articles, Part I – Part III. Remember, it’s essential to have qualified medical supervision if you try to reduce the dose of your antidepressant. Diet is crucial, as I point out in the articles.
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Ralph – maybe you missed the point. There are some people that suffer from true biological depression, like Joan. And from her statement anti-depressants improved her mental health and quality of life. That’s a good thing. But these ‘serious’ medications are being scripted out like candy.
When I was prescribed an SRRI (3 different ones at 3 different times) I had the ‘rare’ reaction. I became angry and emotionally aggressive. The “doctor’ that prescribed them got frustrated with me and we ceased our relationship. I found ways to cope. But they have yet to find a solution.
It is difficult to get medical doctors to look for an underlying cause for the depression many people are suffering with. They just recommend you off to a shrink doctor, who then puts you on the anti depressant medication. If the medication doesn’t make you feel better, they label you ‘difficult’ and move on to the next patient.
This is not effective medicine… just sayin’ -
Kim
@Mona
I was struck by your comment, “I didn’t care about anything anymore so nothing bothered me”. This appathetic condition caused by anti-depressants is known as “flatlining”. You don’t feel the highs and lows of normal emotions anymore. This is one of the many negative side-effects of these drugs that most don’t realize.
I went through a depressive episode about 10 years ago. It was a “life event” type of depression which is true of many people. It is NORMAL for a person to feel depressed when bad things happen. I recently learned that the scientists have discovered that the pain of depression is actually the brain trying to rewire itself to solve the problem that is making them so depressed. The drugs actually short-circuit the process and make things worse in the long run. I’m glad that I didn’t succumb to drugs even though my doc offered them. At one point, things had progressed so that I had lost a significant amount of weight due to the fact that I hadn’t eated much in a few months. I finally had a conversation with myself and said if I wasn’t going to eat properly, I at least needed to choke down some vitamins and other supplements like amino acids. The honest truth is, after I took them the first time, I woke up the next day feeling much better. I had allowed myself to get nutritionally deficient and that compounded the problem.
I wonder how many people who are depressed are really just deficient and depleted of key nutrients that would make them feel better than drugs? Remember, you’re not depressed because you have an SSRI deficiency! One of the things I ended up taking was Sam-e in very small does of 50-100 mgs in the mornings. I only did it for about 1-2 months but it really helped. a recent Harvard study confirmed it’s anti-depressant benefits. There are other things as well but if you’re on drugs, you absolutely must consult with a doc about adding supplements like this since they can interfer and cause bad side-effects.
And speaking of the drugs, I found a website not long ago that specifically deals with helping people get off RX drugs especially anti-depressants, benzos, ADD, etc. I hope it’s ok Chris to post this link, if not feel free to remove it. http://www.pointofreturn.com/index.html My nephew was diagnosed with OCD (not sure if it’s really the case, tho) and he’s only 15 but has been on some pretty powerful drugs for years and I can see the change in his personality. I’d like to see him get off them. I hope this helps people here.
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Ryality
Hi everyone. TY Chris.
Drugs should always be a last resort, in all cases, with all problems, because drugs ussually do not work on the cause but the effect. I appreciate that Chris has this POV. Psychotherapy, meditation, excercise, spirituality are life long pursuits they are needed in different amounts to different people but always help. I’ve come to believe that we are chemicals first. We can affect those chemicals with the least amount of side effects by diet combined with the things listed above. What we know changes as we grow. Had I known about paleo and all the things I do now prior to my life long battle with anxiety that peaked witha year and a half very intense constant anxious state I might have not taken 25Mg’s of Zoloft daily. Looking back the peak, the thing that finnally made me go see a doctor was probably caused by too much alcohol and poor diet (SAD high carbs). Leading up to my decision to take it I excercised, I read every book i could, and talked to everyone that would listen. I even tried following the normal type diets that everyone says are healthy. I quit smoking for 3 months. I felt no improvement. When I got to the point when I could find no peace ( I don’t mean joy and elation I mean simply being ok being alive type peace) I went to a Dr. and took Zoloft. It was a good experience for me. I did care less about stuff, but it wasn’t terrible. I didn’t become a robot. I did suffer some sexual side effects, but they were worth it. After a year I was able to look at my anxiety and say to my self…if chemicals changed it then chemicals caused it…and I’m not going to die. Through a continued effort of the steps I mention above combined with this understanding I took my self off the medication. I did get the brain shivers feeling…it was weird, but ended after a month or so. I’ve been off Zoloft for almost 2 years now and I’m good, things are good. I still have a tendency to become anxious or think very dark thoughts, but I get it now, its ok, and it doesn’t persist.
One of the main and important things I got from Chris’s article was that if a person is not interested in fixing the cause and only lowering the effect they are going to trap them selves into this dependancy for life. There are people who need the drug. There are people who do not need it. We are better off without it if we can be, with every drug. the people who have the most trouble in life are the ones who take a drug frist approach whether its pot, oxycontin, alcohol, or anti depressants. The way to know the difference is through wisdom and seeking peace. For those people who are on it. I would follow the diet Chris reccomends, as well as look for other spiritual and psychological methods like the ones Nora Gedgaudas talk about with Neurofeedback, with the intention and effort to grow grow grow…learn learn learn. I hope that those on it are able to find or reach peace, or enough peace, because its terrible being depressed and anxious.
-R
The most widely prescribed drugs in the U.S. are not for pain management, cholesterol lowering, heartburn or hypertension.