The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 2

162749707In Part 1 of this series, I talked about why the basic premise of the acid-alkaline theory is flawed, and I showed that the evidence doesn’t support the idea that a net acid-forming diet is harmful to bone health. Now I want to look at the effect of dietary acid load on other health conditions.

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Muscle Wasting

There is some research claiming that acid-forming diets cause muscle wasting, and the proposed mechanism is similar to that of the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis. Some researchers hypothesize that in order to eliminate excess acid and maintain homeostasis, the kidneys must steal amino acids from muscle tissue. (1, 2) Just as a higher acid load increases calcium in the urine, it also increases nitrogen in the urine, leading some to believe that an acid-forming diet causes net nitrogen loss. However, some of these studies neglect to measure nitrogen balance, so this is not necessarily true. (3, 4) In fact, one study showed that a higher acid diet improved nitrogen balance! (5) This theory also does not acknowledge that protein, although it’s acid forming, actually increases the body’s ability to excrete acid. (6) Finally, the one observational study concluding that alkaline diets improve lean muscle mass didn’t even measure the overall acid load of the diet. (7) Instead, they used potassium intake as an approximate measure, and just assumed that the observed improvement in muscle mass was due to the diet being more alkaline. This, in addition to the limitations that always accompany observational data, makes the evidence less than convincing, especially since the clinical trials have conflicting results.

Cancer

One of the more popular claims of the alkaline diet is that it can cure cancer. Proponents say that because cancer can only grow in an acidic environment, a net-alkaline diet can prevent cancer cells from growing, and can eliminate existing cancer cells. This theory is incorrect for a few reasons. First of all, the hypothesis depends on the ability of food to substantially change the pH of the blood and extracellular fluid, which I’ve already shown is not the case. (8, 9, 10) Second, cancer is perfectly capable of growing in an alkaline environment. The pH of normal body tissue is 7.4, which is slightly alkaline, and in almost every experiment done with cancer cells, they are grown in an environment at that pH. (11)

Now, cancer cells do tend to grow better in an acidic environment, but the causality is reversed. Once a tumor develops, it creates its own acidic environment through up-regulated glycolysis and reduced circulation, so the pH of the patient’s blood no longer determines the pH of the cancer. (12) It’s not the acidic environment that causes the cancer; it’s the cancer that causes the acidic environment. To top it all off, the only comprehensive review on ‘diet-induced’ acidosis and cancer did not even acknowledge this as a valid mechanism by which an acid-forming diet could increase cancer risk. They discuss a few biological pathways that could potentially link dietary acid load and cancer, but they admit that it’s mostly speculation and there’s no direct link. (13)

Other Effects

There are a few observational studies attempting to link acid-forming diets with hypertension, but the results are mixed. (14, 15) There’s also limited observational data associating higher acid loads with things like high cholesterol, obesity, and insulin resistance, but there are no proposed mechanisms or clinical studies to validate the hypotheses. (16, 17)

There are a few review papers examining the effect of acid-forming diets and health, but as you’ve seen above, the evidence they have to review is sparse. (18, 19, 20, 21, 22) If you read these papers, you’ll notice that whenever they cite trials showing the deleterious effects of acidosis, those trials were done on patients with chronic kidney disease or diabetes-induced acidosis. In the studies done on healthy people, they’re given ammonium chloride to induce acidosis. What you won’t see are clinical trials showing health consequences from purely ‘diet-induced’ acidosis. (Perhaps because ‘diet-induced’ acidosis doesn’t exist!) You’ll also notice that the strongest two hypotheses deal with osteoporosis and muscle wasting, and that links with other diseases are speculative or based on observational data. And although conflicts of interest don’t necessarily mean their conclusion can’t be trusted, it’s interesting to note that one of these reviews was funded by “pH Sciences®,” which “develops and manufactures patent-protected ingredients that safely and effectively manage biological pH levels.” (23)

In sum, I am not convinced that an acid-forming diet has negative effects on healthy people, based on the science. But just to be sure, it’s always a good idea to observe healthy cultures to see if there’s any anthropological evidence to support or refute the hypothesis.

Evolutionary Data

There are a few studies where researchers attempted to approximate the net acid load of Paleolithic diets. One estimated that 87% of pre-agricultural people ate net-alkaline diets, and proposed this discrepancy with our modern diets as a possible reason for our declining health. (24) However, a more recent study estimated that only half of the world’s hunter-gatherer societies eat net-alkaline diets, while the other half are net acid-forming. (25) They reason that the other estimate is likely accurate for our earlier ancestors, because their tropical habitat would’ve provided ample fruits and vegetables. This idea is confirmed by another analysis that showed increasing acid load with increasing latitude. (26) Even without the study, it stands to reason that as humans moved into less hospitable environments, the animal content (and acid load) of their diet increased.

Given the subpar clinical science on this topic, I think the evolutionary argument is far more convincing. If half of the world’s hunter-gatherer populations avoid the ‘diseases of civilization’ on an acid-forming diet, it would seem that acid load has little to no bearing on overall health. For some case studies, we can always look to Weston Price’s work to see quite clearly that acid-forming diets are not detrimental to health. Based on Price’s descriptions, many of the traditional diets he studied would have been primarily acid-forming, including the Swiss, the Masai, and the Inuit. Yet despite their high intake of animal foods or grains and their comparatively low intake of fruits and vegetables, they maintained excellent health.

Conclusion

I don’t deny that many people have seen significant health improvements when switching to an alkaline diet, but there are many possible reasons for this not having to do with pH balance. Eating more fresh produce is rarely a bad idea, especially when it displaces nutrient poor processed foods. A person switching to an alkaline diet would significantly reduce their consumption of grains, which could cause dramatic health improvements for somebody with a leaky gut or gluten sensitivity. Dairy would also be minimized, which would help those with dairy sensitivities. And although pure sugar isn’t an acid-forming nutrient, many laypeople claim that it is, so alkaline diets tend to contain far less sugar than a standard Western diet.

Between the scientific evidence (or lack thereof) and the anthropological research, I think we can be confident that the acid load of our diets doesn’t negatively impact healthy people. For those with renal failure or similar conditions that affect kidney function, it’s a different story—there’s certainly room for manipulation of urine pH in the treatment of those conditions. But for someone with functioning kidneys, there should be no concern that an acid-forming diet will harm health.

Now I’d like to hear from you: what are your opinions on the acid-alkaline diet theory? Have you ever tried eating an alkaline diet, and if so, did you experience health benefits? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

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  1. Ivo says

    Hi James,

    Firstly, I appreciate your comments, especially as you are providing the information for free. Could you provide an opinion on Dr Sircus’s claims here, specifically the bicarbonate claims…

    “Sodium Bicarbonate Bashing Continues Unabated
    This video, by so called medical and health experts, does a great disservice to humanity though sodium bicarbonate bashing is nothing new. Max Gerson’s daughter has done it and so do mainstream cancer organizations because to them it’s an abomination to think that something so simple, safe and inexpensive could possibly treat cancer.
    The medical expert James Sloan said we need C02/carbonic acid to maintain the blood vessels in an open state. That’s correct and that is maintained by SLOW breathing not just any kind of breathing. The slower you breathe the more CO2 is retained so more O2 gets to the cells because, for one reason, the blood vessels are open. That is exactly what happens when you take sodium bicarbonate. It increases CO2/carbonates in the blood.
    What this video misses completely is when you take sodium bicarbonate orally it turns to CO2 in the stomach which actually stimulates stomach acid secretion and this process drives the bicarbonates into the blood.
    Yes many people are deficient in stomach acid but the video forgets to mention bicarbonate deficiencies, which increase as we age and the more we live in polluted urban centers. Bicarbonate deficiencies are addressed with sodium bicarbonate as well as potassium bicarbonate, calcium bicarbonate and now magnesium bicarbonate.
    Telling people that drinking alkaline water or sodium bicarbonate wipes out your stomach acid is misleading because the only time that happens is when you take bicarbonate with meals, which you are not supposed to do. Bicarbonate increases stomach acid production because the stomach reacts to the increased presence of bicarbonate/carbon dioxide.
    No one in their right mind, medically speaking, speaks out about sodium bicarbonate in a negative sense because there is easily a hundred years of clinical experience about its usefulness. Sodium bicarbonate medicine affords humanity with an inexpensive way to treat themselves of many problems including the flu. This video does humanity a great disservice.
    Yes high alkaline water is worthless if, and only if, it does not have much alkalinity! What gives alkaline water its alkalinity? Magnesium and bicarbonate!! Water from ionizers without minerals in the water is just an expensive way to get some extra electrons but this is no reason to put down a helpful form of medicine.”

    source https://www.facebook.com/drsircus/posts/630915240265691

    If you have already addressed this can you point me to the link. I also noticed one of your Sugar Balance Formula isn’t available on ebay anymore?

    • James says

      Jan,

      This IS NOT proof of calcium causing cancer or any other disease.

      First of all we really need to look at the actual study, not a news release on it.

      Secondly, high calcium levels seen in some cancer patients is not proof of calcium causing cancer. That is like saying 100% of cancer patients have oxygen in their blood and therefore this is proof that oxygen is the cause of cancer.

      There are various things that could account for a high calcium level in a cancer patient. For example, low vitamin D has been linked to both cancer formation and hyperparathyroidism. Hyperparathyroidism results in high serum calcium levels due to excess parathyroid hormone release. So there can be a correlation without being a cause. Yet another possibility is that the cancer is leading to bone destruction before reaching detectable levels or having been diagnosed.

      Before claiming high serum calcium causes cancer or any other disease there needs to be proof presented of causation, not just general association.

  2. MR PALEO says

    I only have two questions, then I am going back to my work…

    @ James, You very conveniently skirted the issue I raised about providing actual PROOF that ANY of the world’s tea or coffee consuming countries show “abnormal” or “higher than normal” (whatever that is) incidence of adrenal dysfunction, than non-caffeine consuming countries… not that even then, this would actually prove your hypothesis…
    And, as an aside, why do you bother spreading yourself around the internet, wasting time that would be better spent finishing these mythical books you have been talking about forever… I, for one, would actually like to READ them…

  3. sunflower says

    James:
    It is all about credibility….that is why I asked about your clinical background…..to me everything is theory until it has been proven to be effective 100% of the time. As long as treatment helps some and kills others it can not be seen as science based proof of efficacy.
    Anyway, thank you for interacting with me in this forum.
    It seems that it is ok to share your personal preferences when it comes to your choices of tea…which to me is more personal than answering my question about your clinical status. To me people who have no clinical experience with real people are just individuals who spent most of their time accumulating knowledge without translating that knowledge into a practical outcome….knowledge becomes alive when we apply it to life in a practical way….this way we actually help transform people’s life. Thank you James.

    • James says

      Sunflower: “It is all about credibility….that is why I asked about your clinical background…..”

      If it is all about credibility then back your claims with some REAL evidence and stop attacking the messenger.

      Someone’s background DOES NOT change the REAL science. I can think of quite a few doctors and clinician off hand that don’t have the faintest clue what they are talking about. This is why we need to rely on science, including the facts proven about human physiology instead of just guessing at things. Otherwise there is NO credibility.

      Sunflower: “to me everything is theory until it has been proven to be effective 100% of the time.”

      Wrong again. A theory is a hypothesis (educated guess) until it has evidence to prove it. Then it becomes a theory. Therefore, hypotheses are not evidence of anything.

      Sunflower: “It seems that it is ok to share your personal preferences when it comes to your choices of tea…which to me is more personal than answering my question about your clinical status.”

      Not at all. There is a MAJOR difference and one makes a person a target and the other does not. There is a reason people need to be very careful about putting out certain personal information on the internet. But some people do not understand such simple concepts and have to learn their lessons the hard way.

      Regardless, as I have pointed out so many times I AM NOT THE TOPIC OF THE BLOG ARTICLE. So stop trying to make this a personal issue. If you think you know what you are talking about then debate the topic, not the person!!!

      Here is one thing I will say about myself. It has been my personal experience that when people have no clue what they are talking about they keep resorting to trying to debate the person. They have to do this because since they have no real credible information to back their claims they of course cannot debate the actual topic of discussion. So all they have left to fight with is to try to debate the person in an attempt to attack the person’s credibility, especially by implying a lack of actual experience. They have to imply such things because they know less about the person they are trying to attack than they do the actual topic they really should be debating.

      • Sunflower says

        James….I am a long way from attacking you and please stop being so defensive…you have no need to defend anything…all I asked was if you have an experiential clinical background….if you say yes or no, how does that compromise your privacy. Man, all I am determined to do is find answers to relevant questions…and if they come from you or anyone else I make it my business to ascertain how much credibility a person and their info has. This is totally not personal….it seems a sensitive spot though for you considering other posts over the years. I am reading your posts with interest and find some of it very informative and valuable …and some I don’t agree with b/c my clinical experience has taught me differently. I absolutely don’t give a hack about some study done by some well educated science people when they again and again proof to be wrong. When I get results from a particular treatment and it does not confirm conventional studies would I then back of from applying it b/c it does not sit right with science, There are a lot of people in the science community who have been educated beyond their intelligence. Real healing occurs within a therapeutic relationship not in a science lab.

        • James says

          Sunflower: “James….I am a long way from attacking you and please stop being so defensive”

          This is such a simple concept that I am extremely surprised I actually have to explain it.

          What is the topic of this blog? Is it me? NO!!!! So instead of addressing the topic you try to attack my “credibility” (your word) by continually trying to make the topic of discussion about me and my background. People ONLY do this when they cannot debate a topic they really do not understand. Since they cannot debate the topic they instead try attacking the messenger making it about them and trying to attack their credibility.

          It does not matter what what a person’s background is. I have seen doctors with training more than yours that know squat about medicine.

          Furthermore, regardless of what a person’s background is this does not change the REAL sciences of chemistry or human physiology.

          And just because I refuse to tell you my background because it has NOTHING to do with the topic this DOES NOT mean I don’t have experience. It just means I am not dumb enough to post that information publicly.

          Now, if you want to debate the actual TOPIC go for it. But stop trying to attack my credibility because I can guarantee I know a whole lot more about medicine than you could ever hope to learn in your lifetime!!!! And again, I AM NOT the topic of this blog article. If people cannot figure out such a simple concept even when being told over and over should anyone think they would understand a more complex subject like medicine?

          Sunflower: “all I am determined to do is find answers to relevant questions…and if they come from you or anyone else I make it my business to ascertain how much credibility a person and their info has”

          This can be done by researching the claims. You cannot accomplish this by trying to attack someone’s credibility. That only proves personal doubt about one’s credibility.

          I tell people all the time to research all health claims they see on the internet from credible sources. Even the claims I make because I am confident in what I state. So I don’t feel the need to challenge other people’s credibility because what I state has been backed with real science and actual human experience.

          Sunflower: “This is totally not personal…”

          If it “totally not personal” then why do you keep trying to make the topic about me over and over despite my protests about you doing that instead of debating the topic of this blog? You may be able to fool yourself, but you are not fooling me.

          So once again, I am asking you to stay ON TOPIC, which IS NOT me!!!

          Sunflower: “I absolutely don’t give a hack about some study done by some well educated science people when they again and again proof to be wrong.”

          If you think these are wrong then present them for debate and back your debate with REAL evidence instead of making this personal.

          Sunflower: “There are a lot of people in the science community who have been educated beyond their intelligence.”

          I have always thought that this phrase was one of the dumbest I have ever heard. And unfortunately every time I have heard it this phrase was being used by people who knew nothing about real medicine so it was simply another way for these people to attack the people that actually do know about real medicine.

  4. Jan says

    James wrote:
    “Studies have shown over and over that if cancer cells become internally acidic they will die. Cancer cells require an internally alkaline pH more alkaline than healthy cells to survive and thrive. This is why cancer cells export acidic hydrogen ions in to the external matrix to maintain their highly alkaline internal pH. If the ability of hydrogen ion export is blocked the cancer cells become acidic and die.”

    Export of acidic hydrogen (proton) take place to external matrix when that matrix has alkaline reaction (negatively charged). Keeping external matrix positively charged (acidic) doesn’t allow cancer’s cell to export hydrogen proton and the cancer cell dies.
    Habitants in longevity oases don’t know what is cancer or other diseases due to their acidic blood pH level.

    • James says

      Jan: “Export of acidic hydrogen (proton) take place to external matrix when that matrix has alkaline reaction (negatively charged). Keeping external matrix positively charged (acidic) doesn’t allow cancer’s cell to export hydrogen proton and the cancer cell dies.”

      None of this makes sense. The external matrix is made acidic by the export of the hydrogen ions (protons). But the immediate area around the matrix remains acidic due to the constant export of protons. This DOES NOT kill the cancer cells. Cancer cells are killed though if the proton pumps of the cancer cells are blocked. This shifts the pH of the cancer cell from the alkaline side they need to survive and thrive to an acidic pH that kills them.

      This has NOTHING to do with the external charge. By the way, alkaline minerals have a positive charge. For example, sodium (Na+), potassium (K+), and calcium (Ca+). The opposite are the negatively charged ions such as acidic chloride (Cl-).

      Jan: “Habitants in longevity oases don’t know what is cancer or other diseases due to their acidic blood pH level.”

      Again, blood RARELY ever goes acidic.

  5. Jan says

    James wrote:
    “And no, diet plays virtually no role in pH regulation. Respiration is the body’s main method of pH regulation. And there are still various other mechanisms the body uses beyond respiration that the body uses to maintain pH.”
    Organic acids from diet in stomach are directly absorbing into the blood due to the low surface potential as vitamin C (ascorbic acid) does, change the blood pH causing Bohr’s effect. The same effect can be achieved by respiration – Buteyko method.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_effect

    James wrote:
    “If acidosis does occur, which is a very rare thing then IV bicarbonate is used. This is a controversial procedure though as the use of bicarbonate can paradoxically cause acidosis. The reason is the neutralization of acids by bicarbonate yields carbonic acid.”
    Bicarbonate dissociates in blood creating carbonic acid. Carbonic acid acidifies blood and Bohr’s effect explains paradox.

    James wrote:
    “Raising pH DOES NOT kill cancer cells. I really wish people would stop reading bogus propaganda sites and repeating this myth.
    Fact: Cancer cells have a more alkaline pH than healthy cells.
    Fact: Research has shown that excess alkalinity of healthy cells causes them to convert in to a cancerous state.
    Fact: Cancer cells require an alkaline internal pH to survive and thrive. Studies have shown when the proton transporters of cancer cells are blocked their internal pH goes acidic killing the cancer cells.”
    True.
    The pH of brain tumors (pH=7.10±0.03) was more alkaline than that of normal brain (pH=6.99±0.01). We conclude that the metabolite concentrations and pH in human brain tumours differ significantly from normal brain.
    http://tobaccodocuments.org/nysa_ctr1/50575403.html link is not opened any more

    Here a food pH by FDA.
    http://www.foodscience.caes.uga.edu/extension/documents/fdaapproximatephoffoodslacf-phs.pdf
    Look at that table and find out how many foods recommended by official medicine as alkalized have pH above 7.
    The question is. What is a mechnizm of alkalizing our blood by acidic food?
    It seems to me that same practitioners do not understand simple chemical reactions. Professor N.G. Druzyak in his book «Как продлить быстротечную жизнь» conducted a research in the oases of longevity and find out that people have blood pH 6.9 and below.
    Low level of calcium (8-20mg ions per litre) in the drinking is a panacea for their health. According to his scientific proof excess of calcium in our diet is the main culprit of our diseases. The optimal pH of our blood should be 6.9 and he submits scientific proof for that figure.

    • James says

      Jan: “Organic acids from diet in stomach are directly absorbing into the blood due to the low surface potential as vitamin C (ascorbic acid) does, change the blood pH causing Bohr’s effect”

      Ascorbic acid is absorbed from the intestines, not the stomach.

      And no, it DOES NOT change the pH. First of all the acidity of the ascorbic acid will be neutralized by intestinal bicarbonate. Secondly, as pointed out so many times the body’s main pH regulator is respiration followed by kidney ion excretion or retention. So any shift in the blood pH will simply be corrected immediately to maintain the proper blood pH the body requires to survive.

      Jan: “Bicarbonate dissociates in blood creating carbonic acid. Carbonic acid acidifies blood and Bohr’s effect explains paradox. ”

      You are still overlooking how the body maintains pH. Even as the bicarbonate forms carbonic acid the excess will simply be utilized or eliminated immediately to maintain proper blood pH. This is why sodium bicarbonate therapy does not always cause acidosis. It depends on whether you overwhelm the buffering systems or not.

      Jan: “Look at that table and find out how many foods recommended by official medicine as alkalized have pH above 7.”

      It does not matter what the pH of the food is. As pointed out the pH of the food DOES NOT affect the pH of the blood.

      Jan: “The question is. What is a mechnizm of alkalizing our blood by acidic food?”

      Virtually none. Again, diet does not alkalize the blood. Blood pH is maintained almost exclusively by respiration followed by ion retention or excretion by the kidneys. The only role diet will play is very minor such as phosphate buffering.

      Jan: “Professor N.G. Druzyak in his book «Как продлить быстротечную жизнь» conducted a research in the oases of longevity and find out that people have blood pH 6.9 and below.”

      Below 6.9 these people would probably be dead since the body has a very narrow pH range in which it can survive And 6.9 is already well below normal.

      Jan: “Low level of calcium (8-20mg ions per litre) in the drinking is a panacea for their health. According to his scientific proof excess of calcium in our diet is the main culprit of our diseases. The optimal pH of our blood should be 6.9 and he submits scientific proof for that figure.”

      Again, below 6.9 can cause coma and death.

      And excess calcium is simply excreted from the body in most cases.

  6. says

    @ James,

    If, as you say, “experience” has taught you that “caffeine” crashes the adrenals, why is it we do not see massive numbers of cases of extraordinary proportions of adrenal fatigue and adrenal failure in the populations in all the coffee-consuming countries around the world ?

    • James says

      Who says were aren’t? How common are the symptoms of adrenal exhaustion? These include fatigue, hypothyroidism, allergies, asthma, autoimmune disorders, decreased ability to deal with stress, increased inflammatory responses, water retention, bone loss, etc.

      Why are people so dependent on coffee to keep awake? If the adrenals are working properly they maintain our energy levels naturally. As people crash their adrenals their energy levels drop and they rush to take more caffeine to artificially up their energy and attention span. In severe cases though the adrenal fatigue can become so bad that the coffee no longer works to keep them awake as I explained in this post:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2995

      • MR PALEO says

        James,
        While I respect both your knowledge base and intelligence, you did not answer my question… WHERE is the EVIDENCE (even epidemiological) that coffee consumption causes adrenal dysfunction ?
        Coffee, like any other :substance” on this planet, has “two-sides”… http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Issues/2011/May/ChemistryInEveryCup.asp
        I enjoy my daily ONE cup of dark-roast, expresso-grind, organic coffee, and I have NO adrenal problems that I am aware of. I do not “crash”, nor do I have problems staying awake. And I don’t stick it up my butt… Nor do I recommend coffee enemas to my clients…
        What do you drink, TEA ? No caffeine there… lol..
        I am just hazarding a guess, but if you were to combine
        all the people who consume coffee or tea on a daily basis (and have for CENTURIES), that would easily be what, at least 75% of the Earth’s population ?
        WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE….

        • James says

          Mr Paleo: “While I respect both your knowledge base and intelligence, you did not answer my question… WHERE is the EVIDENCE (even epidemiological) that coffee consumption causes adrenal dysfunction ?”

          Look how easy it was to look up the effects of caffeine on the adrenals:

          https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=caffeine+adrenals+pubmed

          Keep in mind that the adrenals are designed for short term surges during fight or flight. They are not designed to be run for hours on end with stimulants.

          So why are you ignoring the prevalence of adrenal dysfunction symptoms I posted for you?

          Mr Paleo: “I enjoy my daily ONE cup of dark-roast, expresso-grind, organic coffee, and I have NO adrenal problems that I am aware of.”

          That you “are aware of”. That is one of the big problems. Most people are not aware of what the symptoms of adrenal fatigue are and don’t realize there are varying levels of adrenal fatigue. Even if they are aware people tend to ignore symptoms as is often done in cases of other drug addictions.

          By the way the article you linked also left out another very important problem with coffee consumption, which is tannin and oxalate binding. Tannins can bind various beneficial compounds in food as well as medications rending them totally useless to the body. Oxalates can also bind various nutrients such as calcium also rendering them useless to the body.

          Mr Paleo: “What do you drink, TEA ? No caffeine there… lol..”

          ROTFMAO!!!! You think Camellia sinensis is the only “tea” in the world? I RARELY drink caffeinated teas, even green tea.

          During the summer I drink jiaogulan tea almost exclusively. Jiaogulan tea DOES NOT contain caffeine and it supports the adrenals. During the winter my favorite tea is nettle leaf with a little lemon grass and stevia steeped overnight. Again, NO caffeine and very supportive to the adrenals.

          So unlike coffee the teas I primarily drink do not crash the adrenals and do not contain various carcinogenic compounds like coffee. Also unlike coffee my teas do not bind nutrients or medications so they are much safer for people to consume.

          Mr Paleo: “I am just hazarding a guess, but if you were to combine
          all the people who consume coffee or tea on a daily basis (and have for CENTURIES), that would easily be what, at least 75% of the Earth’s population ?”

          And again, what is the prevalence of adrenal fatigue symptoms among this population? Why are you ignoring that? Probably for the same reason people ignore the side effects they experience from addictive drugs like caffeine.

          • pbutterfly2000 says

            Pharmacokinetics of Caffeine following a Single Administration of Coffee Enema versus Oral Coffee Consumption in Healthy Male Subjects

            Abstract
            The objective of this study was to determine the pharmacokinetics of caffeine after single administration of a coffee enema versus coffee consumed orally in healthy male subjects. The study design was an open-label, randomized two-phase crossover study. Eleven healthy subjects were randomly assigned either to receive 500 mL of coffee enema for 10 minutes or to consume 180 mL of ready-to-drink coffee beverage. After a washout period of at least 10 days, all the subjects were switched to receive the alternate coffee procedure. Blood samples were collected immediately before and at specific time points until 12 hours after coffee administration in each phase. The mean caffeine content in both the coffee solution prepared for the coffee enema and the ready-to-drink coffee beverage was not statistically different. The Cmax and AUC of caffeine obtained from the coffee enema were about 3.5 times significantly less than those of the coffee consumed orally, despite having slightly but statistically faster Tmax. The t1/2 of caffeine obtained following both coffee procedures did not statistically differ. In summary, the relative bioavailability of caffeine obtained from the coffee enema was about 3.5 times significantly less than those of the coffee consumed orally.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603218/

            • pbutterfly2000 says

              Caffeine Stimulation of Cortisol Secretion Across the Waking Hours in Relation to Caffeine Intake Levels

              Abstract
              Objective

              Caffeine increases cortisol secretion in people at rest or undergoing mental stress. It is not known whether tolerance develops in this response with daily intake of caffeine in the diet. We therefore tested the cortisol response to caffeine challenge after controlled levels of caffeine intake.

              Methods

              Men (N = 48) and women (N = 48) completed a double-blind, crossover trial conducted over 4 weeks. On each week, subjects abstained for 5 days from dietary caffeine and instead took capsules totaling 0 mg, 300 mg, and 600 mg/day in 3 divided doses. On day 6, they took capsules with either 0 mg or 250 mg at 9:00 AM, 1:00 PM, and 6:00 PM, and cortisol was sampled from saliva collected at 8 times from 7:30 AM to 7:00 PM.

              Results

              After 5 days of caffeine abstinence, caffeine challenge doses caused a robust increase in cortisol across the test day (p < .0001). In contrast, 5 days of caffeine intake at 300 mg/day and 600 mg/day abolished the cortisol response to the initial 9:00 AM caffeine dose, although cortisol levels were again elevated between 1:00 PM and 7:00 PM (p = .02 to .002) after the second caffeine dose taken at 1:00 PM. Cortisol levels declined to control levels during the evening sampling period.

              Conclusion

              Cortisol responses to caffeine are reduced, but not eliminated, in healthy young men and women who consume caffeine on a daily basis.

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

              • pbutterfly2000 says

                Coffee enema for preparation for small bowel video capsule endoscopy: a pilot study.

                Abstract
                Coffee enemas are believed to cause dilatation of bile ducts and excretion of bile through the colon wall. Proponents of coffee enemas claim that the cafestol palmitate in coffee enhances the activity of glutathione S-transferase, an enzyme that stimulates bile excretion. During video capsule endoscopy (VCE), excreted bile is one of the causes of poor preparation of the small bowel. This study aimed to evaluate the feasibility and effect of coffee enema for preparation of the small bowel during VCE. In this pilot study, 17 of 34 patients were assigned to the coffee enema plus polyethylene glycol (PEG) 2 L ingestion group, whereas the 17 remaining control patients received 2 L of PEG only. The quality of bowel preparation was evaluated in the two patient groups. Bowel preparations in the proximal segments of small bowel were not differ between two groups. In the mid and distal segments of the small intestine, bowel preparations tend to be better in patients who received coffee enemas plus PEG than in patients who received PEG only. The coffee enema group did not experience any complications or side effects. Coffee enemas may be a feasible option, and there were no clinically significant adverse events related to coffee enemas. More prospective randomized studies are warranted to improve small bowel preparation for VCE.

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25136541

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  Anti-angiogenic and anti-inflammatory properties of kahweol, a coffee diterpene.

                  Abstract
                  BACKGROUND:
                  Epidemiological studies have shown that unfiltered coffee consumption is associated with a low incidence of cancer. This study aims to identify the effects of kahweol, an antioxidant diterpene contained in unfiltered coffee, on angiogenesis and key inflammatory molecules.

                  METHODOLOGY/PRINCIPAL FINDINGS:
                  The experimental procedures included in vivo angiogenesis assays (both the chicken and quail choriallantoic membrane assay and the angiogenesis assay with fluorescent zebrafish), the ex vivo mouse aortic ring assay and the in vitro analysis of the effects of treatment of human endothelial cells with kahweol in cell growth, cell viability, cell migration and zymographic assays, as well as the tube formation assay on Matrigel. Additionally, two inflammation markers were determined, namely, the expression levels of cyclooxygenase 2 and the levels of secreted monocyte chemoattractant protein-1. We show for the first time that kahweol is an anti-angiogenic compound with inhibitory effects in two in vivo and one ex vivo angiogenesis models, with effects on specific steps of the angiogenic process: endothelial cell proliferation, migration, invasion and tube formation on Matrigel. We also demonstrate the inhibitory effect of kahweol on the endothelial cell potential to remodel extracellular matrix by targeting two key molecules involved in the process, MMP-2 and uPA. Finally, the anti-inflammatory potential of this compound is demonstrated by its inhibition of both COX-2 expression and MCP-1 secretion in endothelial cells.

                  CONCLUSION/SIGNIFICANCE:
                  Taken together, our data indicate that, indeed, kahweol behaves as an anti-inflammatory and anti-angiogenic compound with potential use in antitumoral therapies. These data may contribute to the explanation of the reported antitumoral effects of kahweol, including the recent epidemiological meta-analysis showing that drinking coffee could decrease the risk of certain cancers.

                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21858104

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  Scientific Basis of Coffee Enemas

                  Doctors at the University of Minnesota showed that coffee administered rectally also stimulates an enzyme system in the liver called glutathione S-transferase by 600%-700% above normal activity levels. This enzyme reacts with free radicals (which cause cell damage) in the bloodstream and makes them inert. These neutralized substances become dissolved in the bile, are released through the bile flow from the liver and gallbladder, and are excreted through the intestinal tract. A Gerson patient holds the coffee enema in the colon for 12-15 minutes. During this time, the body’s entire blood supply passes through the liver 4-5 times, carrying poisons picked up from the tissues. So the enema acts as a form of dialysis of the blood across the gut wall.

                  http://gerson.org/pdfs/How_Coffee_Enemas_Work.pdf

                  The problem with this is that I can’t find the original study by the University of Minnesota. Perhaps it was not peer-reviewed for political reasons. But one hopes that it does actually exist, if the Gerson institute claims that it does! But why no link and no author of the study?

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  I think I’ve found the study the Gerson Institute was referring to (it was cited somewhere else). But unfortunately, the abstract is not online.

                  Wattenberg, L. W. 1981. a. Inhibitors of chemical carcinogens. Pp. 517-539 in J. H. Burchenal, editor; and H. F. Oettgen, editor. , eds. Cancer: Achievements, Challenges, and Prospects for the 1980’s, Volume 1. Grune and Stratton, New York, London, Toronto, Sydney, and San Francisco.

                  The person who cited the study said this about it:

                  “Dr. Lee W. Wattenberg, MD (Univ. of Minnesota/NCI-Designated Masonic Cancer Center) was able to show that substances found in coffee – kahweol and cafestol palmitate – promote the activity of a key enzyme system, glutathione S-transferase. This enzyme is responsible for neutralizing free radicals, harmful chemicals now commonly implicated in the initiation of cancer and needed for detoxification. Consuming coffee orally does not produce the benefits experienced when it is taken as an enema.

                  Note: Glutathione is a natural sulfur-bearing peptide formed from the linking of three amino acids: glutamic acid, cysteine and glycine. Glutathione acts as an antioxidant and detoxicant and is involved with the selenium-containing enzyme glutathione peroxidase. Glutathione is also involved in amino acid transport across cell membranes and is a powerful free radical scavenger and antioxidant that removes toxic substances from the body.

                  Other mechanics – The coffee enema causes the liver to produce more bile (which contains processed toxins) and moves bile out towards the small intestine for elimination. This frees up the liver to process more incoming toxic materials that have accumulated in the organs, tissues and bloodstream. In other words, a coffee enema speeds up the detoxification process and minimizes the backlog of yet-to-be-detoxified substances.”

                  http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/09/17/nicholas-gonzalez-response-to-the-failed/

                • James says

                  “The coffee enema group did not experience any complications or side effects. ”

                  Of course not since this was a one time shot. Caffeine over-stimulation problems are with regular use.

                  It is like the use of aspirin. A single dose is not going to cause bleeding ulcers. But regualr use will by continued inhibition of prostaglandins.

                • James says

                  “These data may contribute to the explanation of the reported antitumoral effects of kahweol, including the recent epidemiological meta-analysis showing that drinking coffee could decrease the risk of certain cancers.

                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21858104

                  This has nothing to do with the topic of how the caffeine in coffee adversely affects the adrenals. By the way, this leads to increased inflammation that increases the risk of cancer by the increase of reactive oxygen species.

                  In addition, roasted coffee contains various carcinogens such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and acrylamide. Short term studies on things like fish do not tell us the cancer risks of coffee.

                • James says

                  pbutterfly2000: “Doctors at the University of Minnesota showed that coffee administered rectally also stimulates an enzyme system in the liver called glutathione S-transferase by 600%-700% above normal activity levels. This enzyme reacts with free radicals (which cause cell damage)”

                  First of all where is any REAL evidence that glutathione S-transferase reacts with free radicals? And if they react with free radicals does this neutralize them or enhance them? Keep in mind that either way the glutathione S-transferase must first react with free radicals to begin with as has been claimed.

                  Secondly, how do explain the high level of glutathione S-transferases in cancer cells naturally even without the supposed rise by the caffeine in coffee? See:

                  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891584911002395

                  http://www.academia.edu/4113577/level_of_glutathione-s-transferase_in_esophagus_cancer_after_chemotherapy

                  And would be the real benefit of elevating glutathione S-transferases when they can interfere with the effectiveness therapies used to treat cancer?

                • James says

                  pbutterfly2000: “The person who cited the study said this about it:

                  “Dr. Lee W. Wattenberg, MD (Univ. of Minnesota/NCI-Designated Masonic Cancer Center) was able to show that substances found in coffee – kahweol and cafestol palmitate – promote the activity of a key enzyme system, glutathione S-transferase. This enzyme is responsible for neutralizing free radicals”

                  Again, where is the evidence that glutathione S-transferases neutralize free radicals?

                  pbutterfly2000: “Glutathione is also involved in amino acid transport across cell membranes and is a powerful free radical scavenger”

                  And? Glutathione is an amino acid. Not the same thing as the glutathione S-transferase enzymes, which are what coffee enema supporters are claiming are proving the beneficial effects.

                  pbutterfly2000: “Other mechanics – The coffee enema causes the liver to produce more bile (which contains processed toxins) and moves bile out towards the small intestine for elimination.”

                  Drinking coffee does the same exact thing due to the bitterness of the coffee. Again, bitters cleanse the liver and gallbladder through stimulation of the bitter receptors of the tongue, which in turn stimulates the vagus nerve. But digestive bitters do this safer as they do this without caffeine, which adversely affects the adrenals.

                  In addition, digestive bitters do not contain the various carcinogenic compounds in coffee and generally do not bind nutrients or dehydrate the body the way coffee does.

              • sunflower says

                Thank you pbutterfly2000 for your effort in finding some studies regarding the coffee enemas.
                It will after all be interesting to see what James is going to come up with to shoot down these findings. Keep up the good work!

                • James says

                  Sunflower: “Thank you pbutterfly2000 for your effort in finding some studies regarding the coffee enemas.”

                  Yes, they back up what I was saying all along.

                  Sunflower: “It will after all be interesting to see what James is going to come up with to shoot down these findings. ”

                  Why do you insist on always trying to make this personal?!!!

                  Again, the studies that were posted that would deal with the topic of caffeine absorption and adverse effects on the adrenals BACKED UP what I was saying all along. Coffee enemas absorb more caffeine than oral absorption and the caffeine dangerously DECREASES adrenal function. Therefore, the claim by coffee enema supporters that the caffeine from coffee enemas is somehow magically rendered inert has just been proven BOGUS!!!

              • James says

                “Cortisol responses to caffeine are reduced, but not eliminated, in healthy young men and women who consume caffeine on a daily basis.

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

                Yes, cortisol is reduced because the caffeine is suppressing adrenal function. And being that the caffeine is better absorbed through the colon than orally the process that leads to adrenal dysfunction is more pronounced with coffee enemas.

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  It would help to have the original article, because otherwise all we have is peoples’ analysis of the article, which is not the same thing.

                  The article on the effect of coffee on cancer is not relevant in and of itself. But taken together with the other studies, which suggest that coffee may be also be a powerful detoxifier, may not be harmful to the body in small quantities, and is 3.5 times less bioavailable to the body when taken rectally rather than orally (causing fewer adrenal effects) it makes sense that coffee enemas make people feel better, and not just due to the caffeine rush.

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  I would love to know what the study by Wattenberg actually said. That way we would know how his study proved (or failed to prove) the effectiveness of coffee enemas, his theories about glutathione s-tranferase, etc. Perhaps someone could dig up the actual physical copy of the article and post in somewhere (someone from the Gerson Institute perhaps). Without the study, we’re all shooting in the dark. I’ve heard other amazing things about glutathione, and would love to know if this mechanism of the coffee enema actually works to elevate glutathione levels by 600%.

                • James says

                  More on the dangers of caffeine and coffee:

                  Increased risk of heart disease:

                  Contribution of caffeine to the homocysteine-raising effect of coffee: a randomized controlled trial in humans1,2,3

                  http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/76/6/1244.full

                  Note that elevated homocysteine has also been linked to an increased risk of cancer.

                  Coffee and Cancer of the Pancreas

                  http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198103123041102

                  http://www.academia.edu/1472210/The_Caffeine_and_Java_Myth_The_Relationship_Between_the_World_of_Coffee_to_the_Science_of_Diabetes_and_Obesity_in_Public_Health

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  James said:
                  “Drinking coffee does the same exact thing due to the bitterness of the coffee.”

                  Well I’ve finally gotten hold of the Wattenberg study (the Gerson Institute was kind enough to send it to me), and it appears you are right! The study in question was done by feeding mice powdered green coffee beans, which increased GST by 600% in the liver and by 700% in the small intestine. Apparently roasted coffee does not have as strong an effect but does a similar thing, as well as black tea (and I assume also green tea). The study stated that it is not the caffeine that produces this effect, as cocoa beans were inactive. So I’m assuming it must be the tannins, which are also found in tea but not in cocoa.

                  The study also says that the protective effect of the coffee reduced tumors in the mice by 50%.

                  The person at Gerson said there was another study about infusing mice with coffee that was done in Germany that she is trying to get hold of. She sent me a PDF on the one study so I can’t copy and paste it, but if anyone is really really interested I can type it out and paste it here (it’s only a paragraph long, albeit a long paragraph).

                  What really fascinates me about the coffee enema is peoples’ anecdotal reports about things such as being able to keep their hair through chemotherapy when doing daily coffee enemas, and stories like that. Apparently as soon as they stop the coffee enemas their hair falls out again, and when they start them again the hair grows back. I think if we have enough people reporting things like that, a study really should be done. Because chemo patients are one really good example of people who are in such an advanced state of toxicity that we really can measure what’s happening in the body with or without detoxification procedures.

                • James says

                  pbutterfly2000: “Well I’ve finally gotten hold of the Wattenberg study (the Gerson Institute was kind enough to send it to me), and it appears you are right! ”

                  Great, we are finally getting somewhere.

                  pbutterfly2000: “The study stated that it is not the caffeine that produces this effect, as cocoa beans were inactive. So I’m assuming it must be the tannins, which are also found in tea but not in cocoa.”

                  Actually cocoa DOES contain tannins. It is the tannins that give plain cocoa an astringent effect.

                  Here are some studies on the tannin content in cocoa:

                  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pmca.com%2Ffirstpage%2F1983_25.pdf&ei=jAFHVMqZL4OiyQTquoG4BA&usg=AFQjCNFU3xB3MlQIlsHeFGyHulsBExB-uQ&sig2=n0ZKa0ZszpL4HY2OsbRDXA

                  http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf60116a016

                  http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1938/an/an9386300027#!divAbstract

                  pbutterfly2000: “The study also says that the protective effect of the coffee reduced tumors in the mice by 50%. ”

                  Green coffee used in the study DOES NOT have the carcinogens, such as the polycyclic areomatic hydrocarbons and arcylamide since these compounds are formed during the roasting process of the coffee beans.

                  pbutterfly2000: “What really fascinates me about the coffee enema is peoples’ anecdotal reports about things such as being able to keep their hair through chemotherapy when doing daily coffee enemas, and stories like that. Apparently as soon as they stop the coffee enemas their hair falls out again, and when they start them again the hair grows back.”

                  Do you know how we get rid of old medications? They are mixed with coffee grounds. The tannins in the coffee grounds bind with the medications, as they do supplements as well, rendering them useless to the body.

                  So the answer could be as simple as the coffee enemas are allowing the absorption of the tannins that are binding the chemotherapy drugs rendering the chemotherapy drugs useless.

                  If these are binding chemo drugs then what else are they binding? Other medications in the body? Supplements? Nutrients that can also be bound by the oxalic acid in the coffee? Again, people are playing Russian roulette with these coffee enemas.

                  pbutterfly2000: “Because chemo patients are one really good example of people who are in such an advanced state of toxicity that we really can measure what’s happening in the body with or without detoxification procedures.”

                  Again, the effects you are discussing may have nothing to do with raising glutathione. It may be just from binding of medications rendering them useless. So yes, I agree studies should be done before people do these enemas to find out if they are really providing a benefit or a danger.

                  And Gerson’s study still needs to be verified or disproven with INDEPENDENT research studies since it is so easy to manipulate studies and this is often done. This is one of the reasons it is important to look at multiple studies and see how they were designed, performed interpreted and to look for financial conflicts of interest.

                • Catherine Wessling says

                  I’d like to ask James, MR PALEO, Jan and sunflower to please continue this discussion elsewhere.

            • James says

              pbutterfly2000, did you happen to read this part of the study you were quoting?:

              “Although our previous study has demonstrated that single or multiple doses of coffee enema do not produce beneficial effects with respect to an enhancement of serum glutathione levels and trolox equivalent antioxidant capacity or a decrease in serum malondialdehyde concentrations in the same population reported here [9], documented evidence exists that it might be associated with considerable potential risks”

              As well as:

              “Some important limitations need to be considered regarding the present study. Firstly, the coffee enema fluid of which its mean caffeine content and the total volume were restricted to 107.24 mg/500 mL. In addition, each subject was requested to retain the coffee enema fluid for exactly 10 min while lying in various postures before defecation. In a real situation, coffee enema users might perform this procedure using different types of coffee with wide variation in coffee concentrations/volumes as well as retaining durations. The variations in these factors might influence colonic absorption and pharmacokinetics of caffeine following enema procedure and warrant further investigation.”

              • pbutterfly2000 says

                Yes, I did. However, apparently the study that is not online, by Wattenberg, says the exact opposite thing about glutathione. It is not unusual for studies to contradict one another; it depends on the methods used and how they are analyzed. That is why we need more than one study to determine what is going on with any given mechanism. There is a great deal of political bias in studies about alternative therapies, including coffee enemas, such that the majority of the studies on coffee enemas are about ridiculous things such as people making the coffee too hot and burning themselves, because they have tried and can’t find any other real dangers to coffee enemas. The authors in fact seemed miffed that there was anything in the study at all that suggested any positive findings about coffee administered rectally – that is was in fact less potent and therefore less toxic when taken that way.

                This really is an important finding, because it explains why people don’t get the jitters the same way with the enema that they do when drinking coffee (unless they make the coffee too strong). As for the ten minute limitation of the study, I don’t see what that would have to do with the results, as it only takes three minutes apparently for liquids in the rectum to reach the liver. Anyway, they wouldn’t have used that duration if they thought it would produce a meaningless result.

                But again, if the glutathione mechanism is truly enhanced (we’d have to get hold of the Wattenberg study to see how it was done and how convincing it is to know for sure), the detoxifying effects of a coffee enema would probably be worth the small amount of caffeine ingested for most people, unless they really can’t tolerate caffeine or have really weak adrenals.

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  By the way, I totally agree with you that it’s irresponsible to say that the caffeine is not going to affect you AT ALL when taken rectally. They should explain that it has LESS of a caffeine effect, not none at all. And there also should be a warning that caffeine can crash the adrenals even in small amounts and even if taken rectally, if the person already has weak adrenals. I don’t know why this information is so hard to come by. The study says that the caffeine is 3.5 times less bioavailable to the body, so that’s what the websites recommending coffee enemas should say. I guess most people can have a cup of coffee and it won’t kill them, so they don’t consider to mention it, but the fact is that it’s the ones with the weakest adrenals that are getting the advice to do it. One naturopath I know of suggested that people start with only a pinch of coffee if they are sensitive. That seems more responsible to me.

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  Also: if they don’t do studies about coffee enemas crashing the adrenals as a way to discredit them, it’s because they think adrenal fatigue is bogus to begin with!

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  Ah, reading even more closely I see the potential problem here in this study:

                  “Although our previous study has demonstrated that single or multiple doses of coffee enema do not produce beneficial effects with respect to an enhancement of serum glutathione levels…”

                  The key word here is SERUM. Gerson and his advocates do not suggest that the coffee enema increases serum glutathione levels; what they state, per the Wattenberg study apparently, is that the glutathione increase comes directly from the release of bile from the coffee enema, which then detoxifies the liver and sends its contents directly to the bowel for elimination. I don’t see how measuring serum glutathione would account for this process.

                • James says

                  pbbutterfly2000: “Yes, I did. However, apparently the study that is not online, by Wattenberg, says the exact opposite thing about glutathione.”

                  Being that nobody here has actually seen the study there is no way to know what it really does say or if the conclusions were drawn properly.

                  I have seen all sorts of claims made about a study claimed _______ yet when you read the study it said no such thing. As an example how many times have people posted the baking soda study on cancer claiming that the study proved baking soda killed cancer cells. If we read the actual study though the study NEVER claimed anywhere that the baking soda killed cancer cells. The study found that it inhibited metastases, which IS NOT the same thing. Same for the studies on “oleander soup” which ALL showed it to be a failure for the treatment of cancer yet people are making bogus claims about what the studies found to make it appear it was effective. I have seen the same done with cesium chloride studies although cesium chloride has been found to be not only carcinogenic but also to promote the growth of existing cancers. Therefore, claiming a study says something without providing the actual study for review is ridiculous.

                  Furthermore, you stated you did in fact see those parts of the study. So those facts should have been included in your post even if they did go against your claim.

                  pbutterfly2000: “here is a great deal of political bias in studies about alternative therapies, including coffee enemas, such that the majority of the studies on coffee enemas are about ridiculous things such as people making the coffee too hot and burning themselves, because they have tried and can’t find any other real dangers to coffee enemas.”

                  Or important facts get left out such as:

                  “Although our previous study has demonstrated that single or multiple doses of coffee enema do not produce beneficial effects with respect to an enhancement of serum glutathione levels and trolox equivalent antioxidant capacity or a decrease in serum malondialdehyde concentrations in the same population reported here [9], documented evidence exists that it might be associated with considerable potential risks”

                  And:

                  “Some important limitations need to be considered regarding the present study. Firstly, the coffee enema fluid of which its mean caffeine content and the total volume were restricted to 107.24 mg/500 mL. In addition, each subject was requested to retain the coffee enema fluid for exactly 10 min while lying in various postures before defecation. In a real situation, coffee enema users might perform this procedure using different types of coffee with wide variation in coffee concentrations/volumes as well as retaining durations. The variations in these factors might influence colonic absorption and pharmacokinetics of caffeine following enema procedure and warrant further investigation.”

                  pbbutterfly2000: “This really is an important finding, because it explains why people don’t get the jitters the same way with the enema”

                  So how do you explain the people who crashed their adrenals from using coffee enemas? Clearly the caffeine in the coffee is still having adverse effects on the adrenals.

                  And the caffeine is not the only issue. What about the various carcinogens in coffee such as the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and the acrylamide?

                  pbbutterfly2000: “As for the ten minute limitation of the study, I don’t see what that would have to do with the results, as it only takes three minutes apparently for liquids in the rectum to reach the liver”

                  There are several problems with that comment. First of all just because something is reaching the liver that quick this DOES NOT it is all reaching the liver at the same time. That is like saying if you dump a bunch of rubber ducks in to a river going out to the ocean that in the time one duck reaches the ocean all the rubber duck will have reached the ocean, which of course is not the case.

                  In addition, the rate of absorption of a liquid is dependent on the saturation of the liquid. Research osmosis. If the concentration of the solution is too great then it can draw in water rather than diffuse out. Therefore, there are other factors involved in the coffee enema including concentration of the coffee AND RETENTION TIME.

                  pbbutterfly2000: “But again, if the glutathione mechanism is truly enhanced”

                  That is all based on the big “IF”, which has yet to be proven. So far the only study actually presented shows the coffee enemas DO NOT raise glutathione levels.

                  And even it did raise somewhat this still would not prove a greater benefit than harm. Again, there is more dangers to coffee than just the caffeine.

                • James says

                  pbutterfly2000: “They should explain that it has LESS of a caffeine effect, not none at all. ”

                  Again, this all depends on the amount of caffeine absorbed, which is dependent on various factors such as coffee concentration, caffeine concentration and retention time. Basically it is a big gamble with no proven benefit to risk ratio.

                  pbutterfly2000: “The study says that the caffeine is 3.5 times less bioavailable to the body”

                  It also said there were flaws with the study that could change the amount of caffeine absorbed. So to keep claiming a 3.5 less absorption of caffeine while ignoring what the study showed were flaws is being very and deliberately misleading.

                  Again, go back and look at some of the factors that I listed that affect the outcome.

                  pbutterfly2000: “I guess most people can have a cup of coffee and it won’t kill them”

                  People can have a dose of arsenic and it will not kill them because arsenic is a cumulative poison. Point is that just because something will not kill you with a single dose this DOES NOT mean it is not harmful.

                  I still prefer small amounts of digestive bitters to cleanse the liver. Much safer, works better and has more benefits in my opinion.

                • James says

                  pbutterfly2000: “Also: if they don’t do studies about coffee enemas crashing the adrenals as a way to discredit them, it’s because they think adrenal fatigue is bogus to begin with!”

                  That is utterly ridiculous. There are a number of reasons why they may not do studies on this including the fact that there is no financial incentive or nobody really cares.

                  Have you ever seen any studies on whether dog poo or horse manure makes a better fertilizer? If not why? After all this does not change the fact that both can be used as fertilizer!

                • James says

                  pbutterfly2000: Ah, reading even more closely I see the potential problem here in this study”

                  I don’t see any problem.

                  First of all we still have not seen this actual study to really know what was actually said.

                  Secondly, to back your claim you would have to show that the glutathione was in the bile to begin with. And even it were then how is the coffee increasing its level suddenly in the bile? Where is that glutathione being produced and coming from?

                  And on top of the problem that nobody has been able to provide this supposed study I doubt if there are any independent confirmation studies to back it up. Just because someone claims something in a study this does not automatically make it true. Studies are frequently designed or misinterpreted to get a desired outcome. For example, if you look in to the research on cesium chloride for cancer the only study that shows an apparent benefit included giving the person a number of other things that can help with cancer. But in the end the “researcher” gives all the credit to the few surviving cases to the cesium chloride. In the other “research papers” written by this guy he primarily cites his own faulty research as his references.

                  Is Gerson using the same deceiving tactics?

                  And how much have we learned about how things really work since Gerson’s time?

                  And again, wheres is the real evidence backing up the whole glutathione claim?

              • pbutterfly2000 says

                It’s excellent anyway to know that coffee grounds can bind toxins like that. The study makes me wonder though, why don’t people use green powdered coffee in their enemas if that’s what the initial study used and if they’re not carcinogenic?

                You’re right, who knows what else is bound? It would be good to know. But if it’s binding toxic waste products from within and without the body that should be good, since what the body mostly needs to heal itself is to not be too clogged and congested to do so. What some people claim is that the other things that are bound are the by-products of the dead and rotting tumor. I don’t know if medications and supplements are as important as just letting the body do its job. (I know someone who recently died of cancer; but he didn’t actually die from the tumor – he died from his own congested lymph system. He felt immediately better when they sent him home to die and took him off the chemo drugs, but then within a few days his mucus attacked and clogged his system. No immune system left after the chemo probably. If he could have unclogged the pipes, he may have had a chance. When someone is in that state, they obviously don’t give a shit if their adrenals are going to crash)!

                And I did type out the study for posterity. Here it is:

                EFFECTS OF COFFEE ON GLUTATHIONE S-TRANSFERASE (GST)
                ACTIVITY AND 7, 12-DIMETHYLANE (A) ANTERACENE (DMBA)-INDUCED NEOPLASIA. Velta L. Sparnins, Luke K,, T. Lam and Lee W. Wattenberg. University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55455

                The GST enzyme system detoxifies many carcinogens. We report induction of increased GST activity by coffee. Diets containing 20% powdered green coffee beans (Guatemalan) were fed to female ICR/HA mice for 14 days. GST activity increased in liver 6 fold and small intestine 7 fold. With the same conditions, caffeine 5 mg/Gm of diet enhanced liver GST 2.8 fold and small intestine 1.5 fold. Preliminary data show that the major inducing activity of green coffee beans is not due to caffeine. Diets containing roasted coffee beans, instant coffee or instant decaffeinated coffee all induce GST in mouse liver and small intestine, but to a lesser degree than green coffee beans. Green coffee beans from 5 countries, i.e. Guatemala, Brazil, Peru, Salvador and Colombia, all have similar inducing potencies. Powdered black tea leaves in the diet also induce increased GST; cocoa beans are inactive. The effect of green coffee beans on DMBA-induced mammary tumor formation has been studied. A group of 16 female Sprague Dawley rats was fed 10% green coffee beans in a purified diet for 14 days, then purified diet for 18 hours. A second group was fed purified diet only. 12 mg DMBA was given p.o. to both groups. Subsequently, all rats were fed a crude diet without additions. Sixteen weeks after DMBA administration the results were (% rats with mammary tumors, number of tumors/rat): controls – 69%, 1.13; rats fed coffee beans – 38%, 0.56. The data obtained in the investigations reported above indicate that coffee beans contain a constituent or constituents having the capacity to enhance carcinogen detoxification. (Supported by NIH contract CP-85613 and grant CA-09599.)

            • sunflower says

              pbutterfly2000….Just as a note: I have had many coffee enemas over the years…it never affects me the way it does drinking it….I don’t know the last time I had a coffee….no increased heart rate or restlessness …no hyper sensations only a sense of well being, calm and a focused mind. My energy levels are up and I have a spring in my step that lasts all day….and the other good thing is that I don’t crash when it wears off….rather the opposite.

              • James says

                Sunflower: “Just as a note: I have had many coffee enemas over the years…it never affects me the way it does drinking it….I don’t know the last time I had a coffee….”

                The adverse effects of caffeine tend to be the effect of long term, regular use. Just like eating a piece of cake every once in a while is not going to have the same adverse effects of eating cake all the time.

                But as pointed out before even short term use or single use of coffee as as enema can lead to the adrenals crashing if the person already has weak adrenals to begin with. A danger the coffee enema supporters never seem to warn people about.

                And individual testimonials of I have not had……. are worthless. The individual is not everyone else. How many times have we heard smokers claim I have been smoking for ____ years and never got cancer or emphysema. Does this mean smoking is perfectly safe and will not cause cancer or emphysema?

                • pbutterfly2000 says

                  James,

                  I didn’t say that coffee taken rectally is 3.5 less bioavailable to the bod than coffee taken orally; the study did. For the study then to claim that their own conclusion is bogus because their methods were faulty is not science, it’s the authors of the study trying to skew the results of their own study by saying vague and meaningless things doubt “other potential risks” and so forth, which could just mean that one can burn oneself if the coffee is made too hot, lol.

                  Apparently according to the Wattenberg study, tumors were decreased by 50% by ingesting powdered coffee beans. That would suggest that cancer patients, who have a lot more to worry about than crashing their adrenals, might find it useful to take a coffee enema in order to get the GST effects of coffee with minimal caffeine effects.

                  You asked for people to post studies, and I posted a study which claims that coffee taken rectally does not have the same caffeine effects as coffee taken orally, but if you don’t take that study seriously then there’s nothing more I can say.

                  By the way, it’s not irrelevant to say that doctors don’t claim that coffee crashes the adrenals because they don’t believe in it. Didn’t you get my point? My point is that they are trying very hard to find dangers of coffee enemas, and they are having a hard time doing so. The other point is that they don’t recognize real medical problems if they don’t fit into a certain paradigm.

                • sunflower says

                  Ok…I am happy to let it go as admin has suggested. You are skirting the issue as others have said as well….there is no attack towards you but a genuine need for clarification regarding your background to make your statements more credible.
                  Anyway James I wish you well and once again thank you for your contributions. Over and Out….

    • James says

      Who is doubting electrolysis of water? I have not seen anyone doubting this. In fact, most people have learned about electrolysis of water by 6th grade in school.

      What the link does not show is what happens when this electrolysis is done in the presence of minerals, which forms mineral (metal) hydroxides. Nor does it discuss the side effects of drinking these caustic hydroxides nor about the disassociation of these hydroxides, which forms the dangerous hydroxyl radical.

  7. Marisa De More says

    My biology teacher said that the body goes to great lengths to maintain the correct pH of the blood and will even draw minerals out of bones, or deposit minerals from the blood into the bones, to maintain that balance. Since this is the case, bones are evidently involved in helping to maintain safe blood pH levels to avoid the levels dipping too far below or too high above the safe ranges. Doesn’t common sense tell us that if the bones had to deposit lots of calcium into the blood to keep it within its safe pH range, then the bones may suffer detrimentally if the minerals deposited into the blood aren’t replenished back into the bones? Presumably our only sources of replenishing those minerals are food and supplements. Also, I have a book on my knee about the pH diet and there are over 50 references to scientific papers which seem to validate the acid-alkali theory. For example, “Diet Acids and Alkalis Influence Calcium Retention in Bone” Buclin, T. M. et al. Osteoporosis International 12(6) 493-499m 2001

    • james says

      Yes, the body can use minerals from the bone to help with pH balance, but this is ONLY done as a last resort. It would take severe long term acidosis before the bones were used as an alkalizing source.

      I have read some of these studies in the past and found they were flawed. The biggest problem with these studies is they never determined where the calcium was coming from. The body eliminates calcium all the time to prevent a very dangerous condition known as hypercalcemia. Adding acids to the diet increases calcium absorption from the diet and thus means more calcium has to be eliminated to prevent hypercalcemia. This DOES NOT mean the calcium is coming from the bones.

      If it were coming from the bones then there should also be an increased excretion of other bone minerals, not just calcium. Bones contain a variety of minerals including silica, boron, calcium, magnesium strontium, manganese, copper and zinc. Yet they only tested for calcium, which DOES NOT prove bone demineralization.

      The bones do use citric acid for breakdown as part of the remodeling process to keep bones healthy.

      • Sophia says

        James,
        I’ve been reading all your posts and really appreciate the time you have taken to inform yourself and others.
        I have an off topic but still related to the alkaline diet question:

        I’m a 24 year old female and I’ve developed a pilonidal cyst, I have great hygiene, exercise frequently, but I’ve never really followed a diet, but I’ve always been healthy, based on my checkups. My doctor told me that these types of cysts do develop for other reasons but are frequently hereditary, but mostly in males. He suggested surgery and offered a referral.

        I went home and of course wanted to read promising stories online about this condition. What I found was mostly horror stories, people who got surgery 10 times because it kept coming back, and so on. The only two treatments that appear to have good results are a cleft lift, which is considered elective by insurance companies and extremely expensive, and the alkaline diet/castor oil treatments.

        I decided before rushing into surgery to try the alkaline diet and castor oil. I have consistently applied castor oil to the cyst and I’ve eaten a diet of strictly egg whites, vegetables, fruits, and almonds (although the information on alkaline food levels seems to vary from site to site, so I cross compared and narrowed down to foods that seemed frequently agreed upon). The cyst closed within days and stayed closed for months.

        I recently moved home (Southern California), and I wanted to eat my favorite food, In-N-Out. I figured, oh, I’ll just eat it once, what could it hurt? The cyst opened the next day. I went back to a strict diet and it closed again, but three weeks later I decided to see if that was coincidence or not. Went to a different restaurant with my family and ate Italian food/pizza. It opened again.

        Now from what I gathered from your many responses on the alkaline diet, eating nutrient dense food is great for you, but the body’s ph does not operate in the way propagandists are claiming. I realize the diet isn’t successful for the reasons I began it, but what do you think about my situation and the success I have when I adhere to it? I’m wondering if maybe the condition is just affected by meat and cheese, but maybe it’s just dairy? I know not to consume dairy when sick because bacteria feeds on it…but also much of what I know is not based in research or practical knowledge (I am unfortunately an English major, well unfortunately for this circumstance) I’d be really grateful for any insight you have into why it might be working/what is unnecessary, so I can illuminate anything I’m doing that’s harmful or useless.

        Even if you don’t know anything that would be helpful to my situation, Thank you!

        • James says

          Hi Sophia,

          I think you are on the right track about the meat and dairy. The pilosebaceous gland is sensitive to hormone levels and meats and dairy, even if organic, are loaded with hormones since the animal produces its own hormones.

          All plants on the other hand contain varying amounts of phytoestrogens, which are hormone regulating. Same for the flavonoids found in many plants. In particular these compounds will occupy estrogen receptors blocking the effects of excess estrogens and more powerful synthetic xenoestrogens.

          I have a write up on balancing the hormones:

          http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Hormone_Balance.htm

          I recommend focusing primarily on the digestive bitters mentioned in the article. This will help the liver do a better job of braking down excess hormones.

          There are various bitters on the market and they all work the same way. Some contain stimulant laxatives though like senna, cascara sagrada or rhubarb root that can lead to a laxative dependence with regular use. And some also contain berberine sources like goldenseal, barberry or Oregon grape root that present additional problems. See:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6350

          Therefore, I recommend ignoring the directions on the bottles of biters and only putting a half dropper full on the tongue before meals. You only need enough bitters to taste them for them to work.

          Also remember to drink plenty of water throughout the day when using bitters, but do not take them if you have had your gallbladder removed.

          Another suggestion I do not have on the Hormone Balance write up is supplementing with trimethylglycine (TMG), which is a derivative of beet leaves. TMG is a great, inexpensive methyl donor. Methylation is required for about 4,000 reactions in the body including being require by the liver to detoxify hormones. You can find TMG in some health food stores or online. Recommended dose is 1 gram three times daily before or with meals.

          James

  8. Mercedes Gyorgy says

    My question relates to Colon health and the effect of the meat consumption of the Paleo diet? As meat takes much longer to digest and stays in your colon longer, leading to purification and toxic release causing disease?

    • MR PALEO says

      Mercedes,
      (LOL) I think you mean “putrification”…

      Any healthy individual on a “Paleo/Primal” dietary regimen will be eliminating (at the minimum) on a daily basis… your “understanding” of our digestive process is flawed…

    • James says

      The roles meat consumption plays in cancer formation has nothing to do with digestive time.

      One role meat plays is the hormones that can activate cancer viruses and promote the growth of existing cancers. There is a misconception that “organic” meats are safe. Even “organically grown” animals still produce their own hormones, which remain in the tissues when the animal is killed.

      By the way, this also applies to raw and organic dairy since hormones also go in to milk.

      Another factor is that meats increase inflammation liked to cancer possibly by increasing reactive oxygen species (ROS). The inflammatory component of meats is the fatty acid arachidonic acid.

      The other factor is that most meats are consumed cooked and during the cooking process carcinogenic compounds can be formed.

    • Vanessa says

      Proteins from meat get digested into peptides in the stomach and then those peptides get broken down into amino acids in the small intestine and absorbed. There will be no meat in the colon, considering someones digestive system is working normally. What does end up in the colon is fibre and this fibre is acted on by the flora in our large intestine. Meat/proteins don’t travel all the way down there.

  9. James says

    J: “what you eat affects thousands of systems in your body, and the compounds that are resultant from those processes are, undeniably (even acc. to reductionistic ‘modern medicine’) dependent on an alkaline PH balance.”

    Not really. The process of digestion also requires stomach acid and flora acids. The production of stomach acid requires carbonic acid. The process of converting those foods in to energy requires various acids. To protect the body from the highly toxic alkaline ammonia produced from the breakdown of proteins requires carbonic acid. Etc., etc, etc.

    J: “don’t believe me? skew your arterial PH from 7.2 to 9 and see what happens… you’re dead in a few seconds as the arterial walls dissolve. Is why we get the cholesterol plaque on the arterial walls.. is a defence mechanism against blood acidity.”

    A pH of 9 IS NOT acidic, it is highly alkaline.

    But yes, a highly alkaline blood pH of 9 and you would be dead.

    Arterial plaque formation has nothing to do with protecting us against acidity. It results from inflammation to the arterial wall. This is because cholesterol is a healing agent. When we injure any part of the body the cholesterol floods the area to help with the healing process. When the source of inflammation is consistent the laying down of cholesterol to aid in the healing process is consistent leading to the excess build up of cholesterol on the arterial walls.

    • Aaron1212 says

      So is eating meat bad? Should I stop eating meat? And it is possible for the blood ph level to get to 9? Because all I drink is Alka Trú which has a ph level on 9-10.

      • James says

        Aaron1212: “So is eating meat bad? Should I stop eating meat?”

        Anything can be bad in excess. Meat is no different.

        Aaron1212: “And it is possible for the blood ph level to get to 9? Because all I drink is Alka Trú which has a ph level on 9-10.”

        If your blood ever reached a pH of 9 you would be dead long before from a lack of oxygen. Alkalosis kills people by inhibiting tissue oxygenation and respiration. And a person cannot liver with a blood pH that high.

          • sunflower says

            Aaron…no it is not possible as the body is well equipped to maintain that balance…any pH imbalance in the blood …be it acidity or alkalinity… gets thrown out into the tissue.

          • James says

            Hi Aaron,

            Although you can induce a very dangerous and potentially deadly condition known as alkalosis by ingesting large amounts of alkalizers it is not easy to do. And you would never get to a pH of 9 or 10 as you would be dead long before even getting close to that pH.

            To induce alkalosis you would have to completely overwhelm the body’s pH buffering systems, which again is not easy to do.

            When you drink the alkaline water most if not the alkalinity is going to be neutralized anyway by the stomach acid.

            Even if you overwhelm the stomach acid, which is a very unhealthy thing to do to begin with, any alkalinity affecting the blood would simply be met with a decrease in respiration to build up acidity to rebalance the pH. If you overwhelm this system then the kidneys will start retaining hydrogen ions again to build up some acidity to counteract the excessive alkalinity. Same exact reason you cannot alkalize the blood with diet.

            Again the biggest danger of drinking highly alkaline waters like that are generally the neutralization of stomach acid. This increases the risk of cancer, heart disease, infections, hormone balance, neurotransmitter imbalances, nutrient deficiencies, decreased cartilage synthesis, etc.

            If the water contains caustic hydroxides, as are found in ionized alkaline waters, then the additional risk comes from chemically burning of tissues and the toxic hydroxyl radical formed from the disassociation of the mineral hydroxides in the water.

            James

  10. J says

    I think you are splitting hairs… you are looking for evidence using a reductionistic (i.e. modern medicine’s flawed and proven un-working) model.

    what you eat affects thousands of systems in your body, and the compounds that are resultant from those processes are, undeniably (even acc. to reductionistic ‘modern medicine’) dependent on an alkaline PH balance.

    don’t believe me? skew your arterial PH from 7.2 to 9 and see what happens… you’re dead in a few seconds as the arterial walls dissolve. Is why we get the cholesterol plaque on the arterial walls.. is a defence mechanism against blood acidity.

    • James says

      J: “don’t believe me? skew your arterial PH from 7.2 to 9 and see what happens… you’re dead in a few seconds as the arterial walls dissolve. Is why we get the cholesterol plaque on the arterial walls.. is a defence mechanism against blood acidity.”

      This is incorrect other than the dead part. But cholesterol deposition on arterial walls IS NOT a defense mechanism against blood acidity.

      Cholesterol deposition is the result of inflammation. Inflammation results from injury, which can happen for a number of reasons. Cholesterol deposits on the arterial wall as part of a patch work to cover the injured area. If the source of injury is not removed the plaque keeps forming.

      A simple way to prove that this is not due to acidity is to remember that plaque calcifies. And calcium is soluble in acidity and precipitates in alkalinity. Therefore, in order for the calcium to calcify the plaque the pH of the tissue must be alkaline to begin with.

  11. Anne in Colo says

    Hmm. When I heard about the acid/alkaline diet it had nothing to do with any of these and everything to do with gut health.

    • James says

      Intestinal pH varies. The first part of the intestine, the duodenum, is kept around a pH of 6-7. Acids from the stomach can lower the pH temporarily, but the bicarbonate from the pancreas quickly brings the pH back up. The rest of the small intestine will have a pH range of 7-8. The colon has a pH around 5.5-7. If the colon starts becoming too acidic the pH is again adjusted by the release of bicarbonate.

      Alkalinity is required in parts of the intestines to aid with alkaline digestive enzymes. Acidity in other parts aid with nutrient absorption, killing pathogens and controlling the growth of Candida albicans since it thrives in an alkaline environment.

      When referring to the acid-alkaline balance though this is in reference to blood pH. Some people claim that it is actually in reference to either lymphatic pH or tissue pH, which are regulated by blood pH.

      This does bring up some important points though.

      First is that there is no singular pH for the body.

      Secondly, there is no basis for the acid-alkaline diet. Especially considering the fact that people are not even sure what part of the body is being or is supposed to be made alkaline to prevent disease.

      There are actually very few diseases an disorders that have anything to do directly with pH. Gout is a problem with excess uric acid. Studies have shown that when healthy cells are made excessively alkaline the healthy cells morph in to cancer cells. Excess alkalinity or acidity of the urine can cause various types of kidney stones. Excess alkalinity of the blood can be caused for various reasons including milk-alkali syndrome and can be very dangerous. Low or absent stomach acid inhibits nutrient absorption, osteoporosis, diverticulitis, increases risk of disease from ingested pathogens, leads to reflux and increases the risk of food allergies from proteins not being completely digested. Low or absent stomach acid also decreases methylation needed for about 4,0000 processes in the body. Decreased methylation can lead to cancer, heart disease, allergies, immune suppression, decreased cartilage formation, depression, hormone and neurotransmitter imbalances, further declines in stomach acid formation, etc.

      The list can go on and on, but the point is that there is no singular body pH and either excess alkalinity or acidity in the wrong places can cause disease. This is why the body has so many different methods of pH regulation to maintain its pH levels. When people try to force the pH one way or the other they are fighting the body’s natural pH regulation putting more stress on the body and potentially creating diseases/disorders in the body.

  12. Julie says

    I do not believe that food itself has any effect on blood or organ pH, but I do believe that the quality of the food significantly impacts the body’s ability to regulate its pH. All minerals and gaseous compounds come from somewhere, whether its the air or the food, and without those compounds, the body will have a difficult time maintaining health. I don’t think the ash left behind from food makes a difference, whether it is acidic or alkaline, I think it makes a difference whether that food is empty of nutrition or full of nutrition. Personally, just eating a variety of foods that God (not men) has created and preparing them according to the WAPF recommendations, avoiding allergens, and eating as much organic as I can afford has restored my health. I feel better at 40 than I did at 20, when I was eating a more processed diet full of allergens.

  13. pcpc says

    James said that
    Cancer cells do rely on this external acidity to metastasize since the acid activates the enzyme hyaluronidase that breaks down hyaluronic acid allowing the cancer cells to migrate through tissues.
    so it is clear that eating more veggie and alkaline food to make the blood non-acidic would help fighting cancer?
    People drink lots of tea tend not grow cancer as I saw from some sources.

    • James says

      The problem with that claim is that eating vegetables and so-called “alkaline foods” DO NOT alkalize the blood to any significant extent. As pointed out virtually all pH regulation is from respiration and kidney function.

      Tea has been found to help with cancer due to the ACIDIC polyphenols, which are antioxidant and antiviral.

  14. Anna says

    James, thanks for your comments. They’re all perfectly logical. They do say that water, shampoos, etc. do not change the ratios very much or at all, but I don’t know how they come up with this. The one thing in your comments I don’t agree with is the recommendation of licorice. I read so many great things doubt licorice that I thought I’d try it. Well within a few days of drinking licorice tea I started to get terrible insomnia, heart racing, etc. and I had to stop. As soon as I stopped the tea, the symptoms stopped. So licorice is not for everyone.

    On a related note, I got a hair test which said that my sodium-potassium ratio was inverted which is a sign of adrenal exhaustion. Interestingly, I eat a ton of sea salt but this does not seem to raise my sodium. In fact, it was recommended to me to ingest even more sea salt, which would be difficult without actually drinking salt water since I salt my foods so heavily. According to my hair test, I am not supposed to take licorice which raises potassium, because I am trying to lower potassium in relation to sodium. I don’t know if my intolerance to the licorice was a coincidence, or if it means that the hair test was right and I’m one of those people who have to be careful with potassium supplements.

    • MR PALEO says

      Anna,
      Do you eat bananas ? They are high in potassium, so much so, that I generally recommend no more than 1/2 banana a day…
      Also, in America, ALL salt is considered “sea salt”, which is misleading… I recommend a high-quality Himalayan salt.

      • James says

        Potassium levels in bananas vary according to ripeness. In the green state they are generally sold in stores there is not much in the way of potassium. As the banana ripens it pulls potassium from the peel increasing the potassium content of the edible part of the berry. Yes, bananas are berries and the banana “tree” is botanically an herb (plant without woody tissue). Just extra weird useless trivia :-)

        As for Himilayan salt, I agree it is great stuff. But it is not sea salt, it is a mined salt. Just because the salt came from ancient oceans this does not make it sea salt.

        • MR PALEO says

          Agreed. Most Americans do not eat their bananas green or half-ripe as I do, however, unless they are of Island or Spanish descent… and yes, the banana “plant” is a herb, grown usually by division of the “corm”, or root base. There are over one hundred varieties of bananas, in all shapes, sizes and colors, but only three or four are grown commercially, which lends itself to major problems with disease resistance and nematodes. Even more “useless” trivia… lol…
          As for “salt”, in the U.S., FDA regulations allow ANY salt to be labeled “sea” salt, which, as I said, is VERY misleading… I don’t see (pardon the pun) Morton’s being the same as a “quality” Himalayan salt. People should be aware that most, if not all “Himalayan” salt comes from the Khewra Salt Mines, the second largest salt mine in the world, located in Khewra, Pakistan, about 300 km from the Himalayas….

    • James says

      Anna: “They’re all perfectly logical. They do say that water, shampoos, etc. do not change the ratios very much or at all, but I don’t know how they come up with this. ”

      I disagree. Hair is too absorbent that shampoo would have little to no effect on altering these tests.

      Anna: “The one thing in your comments I don’t agree with is the recommendation of licorice. I read so many great things doubt licorice that I thought I’d try it. Well within a few days of drinking licorice tea I started to get terrible insomnia, heart racing, etc. and I had to stop. As soon as I stopped the tea, the symptoms stopped. So licorice is not for everyone.”

      There are different species of licorice root. Personally I prefer Chinese licorice root (G. uralensis) since it is calming. American licorice root (G. glabra) is slightly stimulating. Not to the point you are talking about though. So I would say that there was either something else combined in that tea or you were having an allergic reaction, which would kick up stimulatory epinephrine release.

      Anna: “On a related note, I got a hair test which said that my sodium-potassium ratio was inverted which is a sign of adrenal exhaustion. Interestingly, I eat a ton of sea salt but this does not seem to raise my sodium. In fact, it was recommended to me to ingest even more sea salt, which would be difficult without actually drinking salt water since I salt my foods so heavily. ”

      I knew someone who had the same problem. She was taking 2 gram tablets of salt several times a day and salting her foods heavily and still ended up in the hospital numerous times when her sodium bottomed out. I told her to have the doctor check her aldosterone levels, but it does not appear the doctor ever did. Instead they just gave her an outrageously expensive drug that did little if anything.

      Aldosterone is secreted by the adrenals and regulates the electrolytes.

      Anna: “According to my hair test, I am not supposed to take licorice which raises potassium, because I am trying to lower potassium in relation to sodium. ”

      Other way around. Licorice root causes potassium excretion and sodium retention just like steroids such as Prednisone, which it can be used in place of. Prednisone and licorice root both have a reputation for causing water retention and high blood pressure. This is because both of these stimulate the excretion of potassium and cause sodium retention. But it takes a lot of licorice root and a long time to do this. Basically you would have to consume a bottle of licorice root capsules daily for about 6 months to cause a rise in blood pressure in most people. Exceptions would be something like if the person is on steroidal medications like Prednisone since licorice root potentiates these steroids.

      • Rebecca says

        Hi James great article,
        I was just reading the part about licorice and I wanted to share my personal experience with you. My blood pressure has always been just on the line of being too low. I was having symptoms of low blood pressure so I decided I would take the matter into my own hands. My mother told me that during the war man would take licorice to raise their blood pressure and avoid the draft. I went out and bought licorice monitored my blood pressure when I went to doctor visits or at the pharmacy. Now I was drinking a lot of the tea like three or four times a day and it raised from 59 to 74 in less than a week. Now my lower pressure was at 59 or 60 for years and years. This was the first time I was able to measure the effect of natural medicine.

        • James says

          Hi Rebecca,

          Thanks for sharing your story.

          Licorice root is well known for raising blood pressure, which is why we so ofter hear to avoid it if you have high blood pressure.

          But this is misleading since you have to take massive doses for many months to cause high blood pressure unless you are on a steroid like Prednisone, which has the same effect only significantly stronger. Licorice root though can potentiate the effects of steroids. The rise in blood pressure in this case is from potassium depletion and sodium retention. Therefore the risk of this side effect can be reduced by increasing potassium intake such as oranges, kiwis, papaya, mango, watermelon, ripe bananas, etc.

          In your case the effect is not simply increasing your blood pressure but more accurately balancing your blood pressure.

          A common cause of chronically low blood pressure is adrenal gland dysfunction. Normally when the blood pressure drops too low the adrenals should secrete epinephrine (adrenaline) to constrict the blood vessels to increase blood pressure. When the adrenals are not working properly the insufficient levels of epinephrine prevent the adrenals from maintaining proper blood pressure.

          Licorice root is an excellent adaptogenic herb that helps to normalize blood pressure in moderate amounts by supporting adrenal function.

          Another common cause of chronically low blood pressure is hypothyroidism, which is often missed by lab tests. Hypothyroidism has numerous causes including adrenal dysfunction.

          James

  15. Anna says

    James, I’m curious as to your feelings about hair mineral analysis testing and nutritional balancing. I know in an earlier comment you bemoaned the practitioners’ use of coffee enemas and adrenal supplements. But what do you think of the science as as whole? Do you know much about it?

    • James says

      Hi Anna,

      Anna: “James, I’m curious as to your feelings about hair mineral analysis testing and nutritional balancing.”

      Hair analysis is a sales too, not a very accurate diagnostic tool. Think of the growth of hair like the growth of a tree. We know that by looking at the rings of a tree we can tell things about its history such as wet years vs dry years in its history. If we take a cross section of the tree though and grind it all up then analyze it then we lose a lot of the information since a lot of growth time is all mixed up. Hair also grows slowly and has multiple records of not only some of what is in the body but also external exposure. When you take a hair sample you are getting a long history. Often they will try to get a short sample near the scalp to get a more current history.

      But still keep in mind that what makes it to the hair shaft does not necessarily reflect what is in the body. This is like with salivary hormone testing, which is a complete joke. Hormones such as estrogen and progesterone get stored in the fat tissues of the body. In order to reach the saliva the hormones would have to circulate through the blood. Although some will circulate through the blood what little does will not reflect what is stored in the fat.

      In addition, hair is exposed to all sorts of chemicals from sources such as shampoos, conditioners and other hair products, pools, spas, environmental pollution such as car exhaust and second hand smoke, minerals and chemicals in the water we bathe with, etc. How can they tell if a calcium source for example is from inside the body instead of contaminating the hair sample from the calcium in bathing water?

      And again, what is in the body does not necessarily end up in the hair.

      Anna: “I know in an earlier comment you bemoaned the practitioners’ use of coffee enemas and adrenal supplements. ”

      Coffee enemas definitely. These will crash the adrenals.

      But I am not against all adrenal supplements. Just adrenal glandulars, which can shut down adrenal function with long term use.

      Otherwise I am a big fan of supporting the adrenals with food and especially with herbal and vitamin supplements such as jiaogulan, licorice root, ashwagandha, suma, acerola cherry, amla, pollen, etc.

      James

      • sunflower says

        James….have you ever experienced a coffee enema? Are you speaking from experience ? Did your adrenals crash?

        There is abundant evidence to the contrary.

        • James says

          I never really understood why people think someone has to experience something to prove it. Do I have to stick my hand in a fire to know it is going to burn? Of course not. If I asked you if ingesting cyanide is deadly did you experience this personally before answering yes?

          No, I have not done coffee enemas nor would I ever do one because they are ridiculous and I already know for a fact that they crash the adrenals. I have warned people about this for years and have had people write me back after they refused to listen to me and they learned the reality the hard way.

          Caffeine is caffeine regardless if you swallow it, snort it, inject it or shove it up your butt. Just because you take the coffee as an enema instead of drinking it the caffeine DOES NOT magically convert in to some harmless substance.

          If people really want to cleanse the liver in a much safer manner then I recommend a half dropper of digestive bitters on the tongue before meals. Bitters work by stimulation of the bitter receptors on the tongue. This in turn stimulates the vagus nerve increase stomach acid secretion, bile secretion, pancreatic enzyme release, the liver and the intestines. All without crashing the adrenal glands by overstimulation from a stimulant like caffeine.

          • sunflower says

            James….your comparisons are silly….of course we don’t have to ingest poisons that are known for their deadly effects…or place our hand into a flame…..there are thousands of people around the world who have used coffee enemas with amazing success …just look at the Gerson Therapy for example… we have administered many coffee enemas here at the clinic with great results.
            Did you know that during the war these enemas were given to soldiers instead of morphine for pain relief….do you think that coffee is better than morphine for patients with cancer to eliviate the pain associated with that cancer?

            • James says

              Sunflower,

              Your response was full of hearsay, which means nothing. Do you have any real proof to your claims such as actual medical studies proving this?

              I have heard the “thousands of people helped” claims so many times for so many different products and doctors. None of these could ever come up with any real evidence to back these claims and in many cases the claims were proven bogus.

              For example, there is some dangerous quackery being pushed on the internet called “oleander soup” for cancer among other things. The main person pushing this quackery claims that Dr. Ozel has cured hundreds of thousands of people of cancer with “oleander soup”. Yet NONE of these supposed people can be found. In addition, EVERY single human study done on oleander found it to be ineffective for cancer and even appears to shorten the lives of cancer patients.

              When I brought up these studies showing oleander did not work the response was an excuse of the study was not conducted long enough and that it took at least 2 months to stat seeing results. Yet is the same bogus “testimonials” he keeps posting one of the testimonials claims a complete cure for cancer in something like 11 days. So I don’t take testimonials or unproven claims as the gospel because people frequently fabricate “evidence”. Here is more on the “oleander soup” scam so you can see what I mean:

              http://medreview.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/is-oleander-soup-for-cancer-a-scam-part-1/

              http://medreview.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/is-oleander-soup-for-cancer-a-scam-part-2-2/

              So again, I ask where is the real evidence (studies) backing your claims that the coffee enemas actually do what you are claiming and do this without crashing the adrenals due to the caffeine.

              As far as I am concerned it would be just as safe to sit on the espresso machine to begin with so you can steam clean your colon ;-)

              • sunflower says

                James,
                May I ask a questions please:
                Are you in clinical practice and if yes for how long.
                If not then I must assume that your knowledge base is purely theoretical and has no practical experiential backing.
                When you start dealing with reality…that is real people and their concerns about their health and wellbeing…then you will understand that medical doctrines based upon a science that uses Pharma as a means by which to further poison an already compromised body and mind are not the answer. There are so many modalities available that are helping people recover from their illnesses even though medical science has no idea why. I acknowledge your vast understanding of general science and wish you would be a pioneer in your field rather than be stuck in a scientific dogma that does not allow new innovative ideas to be applied to those desperate for help. All pioneers of the past were ridiculed by individuals like yourself ….only to eat humble pie decades later…may be a little more willingness to be courageous and allowing new ideas to simmer before taking them of the stove would be helpful for all of us.

                • James says

                  Sunflower,

                  You can assume all day long and this still will not make your assumptions true.

                  Apparently you missed my earlier comment where I mentioned telling people about how caffeine rectally still crashes the adrenals. When they ignored me they learned that fact the hard way and then contacted me again to tell me about how they learned their lesson and to ask my recommendations to deal with their health issues including their now crashed adrenals.

                  Some people need to learn the simple facts that just because there is a medical claim on the internet this does not mean it is true. And many of these claims such as the “liver flushes” actually passing gallstones larger that the bile ducts can expand or in amounts a real gallbladder can hold prove these “flushes” or bogus. Or the claim that “oleander soup” cures cancer when every human study has proven it to be worthless. Or the claim that cesium chloride cures cancer when again the research has proven differently. Cesium chloride has not only been shown to cause cancer, but also to promote existing cancers. Contrary to the claims made by cesium supporters the areas of the world they claim have high cesium levels in the soil DO NOT have lower cancer rates. The rates are normal to excessively high. There are claims that baking soda ingestion cures cancer when again the studies do not show this and there is no basis for these bogus claims. Cancer cells are already more alkaline than healthy cells and they need that high alkalinity to survive and thrive. Alkalinity actually promotes glycolysis in cancer cells and promotes malignant transformation. But to have any alkaline effect on the body the baking soda would first have to survive the stomach acid, which neutralizes the baking soda forming carbonic acid, and sodium chloride that can induce acidosis. I could go on and on with examples of health quackery being repeated on the internet by people who never took the time to research the chemistry or how the body really works. Will any of the above ever have real evidence to prove otherwise? Not likely since we have advanced a lot in science over the last 100 years and we have such as better understanding of the human body and how it works. This is why modern medicine no linger believes that disease is the result of evil spirits.

                  As another example look at the very common misconception that Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize for proving cancer was caused from acidity. This is just one of the numerous myths that keep getting repeated about Warburg. Warburg won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of an enzyme he called “iron oxidase”. He hypothesized (educating guessing) that cancer cells derived their energy only from glycolysis, which generates a lot of acid. But he did not have access to the equipment we have today so all he could do is hypothesize. With modern equipment and tests it has been shown that cancer cells DO NOT rely solely on glycolysis. They derive at least 50% of their energy from oxidative phosphorylation. In addition, the fairly recent development of microprobes has allowed scientists to prove that cancer cells have a higher than normal alkaline internal pH that allows the survive and thrive.

                  Point here is that science can also disprove long held quack ideas such as caffeine taken rectally somehow magically is no longer caffeine and therefore will not adversely affect the adrenals.

                  And before you try using the old it passes right through the liver metabolizing it myth keep this in mind. Before the invention of hyperdermic needles drugs were often given rectally for rapid and direct absorption of the drugs in to the bloodstream. Using the same bogus reasoning the coffee enema supporters give to claim the caffeine does not adversely effect the body this same thing should have held true for the other drugs given rectally. If the liver metabolism destroying the caffeine claim was true then the same should have held true for the other drugs, which would have rendered them useless, which they were not.

                  Again, it does not matter how the caffeine goes in to the blood. It will still be caffeine and will still have the same adverse effects on the adrenal glands.

                  Until science proves otherwise we cannot just dismiss known science. Do you dismiss the theory of gravity just because science “may” disprove it sometime in the future? I hope not. Again, we have to go with what is considered proven science until otherwise disproven. We can’t just assume that all the known science or just the science that we don’t wish to believe is bogus and “may” be disproven sometime in the future.

                  If there is some actual solid scientific proof that rectally adsorbed caffeine does not crash the adrenals as you claim then present it. Otherwise your claim is just a hypothesis, which is not backed by any evidence and therefore should not be presented as a “fact”.

                • sunflower says

                  James….you did not answer my question….are you or are you not in clinical practice.

                  You can teach a mechanic everything about how to fix a car….and he will be an expert when it comes to giving advise….and then you ask the mechanic to actually repair a car and he will most likely fail b/c theory needs to be backed up with practical experience. Once you start working with people you will realize that the theory is often altered because it is at times impossible to translate theory in practice….it sounds good and often does not deliver. I have had to unlearn many theories and so called facts b/c even though they made sense on paper when it came to dealing with individuals and their unique circumstances they failed to deliver. The people that crash after a coffee infusion may well have suffered from detox symptoms or had weak adrenals to start with…how do you know the difference unless you know the whole story of a persons journey. Each person is different and just because one approach does not work for some does not mean it is useless for all….that would be negligent and not in the interest of the client. When you see clients and hear their stories you realize that there is more to health and disease than Theory.

                • James says

                  Sunflower,

                  First of all don’t demand answers if you are not going to answer questions yourself. I don’t play games with people who think they can play by a separate set of rules they set for everyone else. One of my questions for you was “where is the real evidence (studies) backing your claims that the coffee enemas actually do what you are claiming and do this without crashing the adrenals due to the caffeine. This is only one of my questions you have chosen to ignore.

                  Secondly, I am under no obligation to post personal information about myself. That would be like me asking you to post publicly your address and phone number so I can verify who you are. I seriously doubt you would do this if I asked. And if you won’t then ask yourself why. Why should I reveal personal information at your request when you would not do the same.

                  What I have said can be easily verified with a little basic research on the chemistry of caffeine and human physiology. Therefore, whether or not I have a clinical practice is irrelevant. This is simply a common tactic when a person cannot address the factual claim. So instead they keep trying to make the issue personal by trying to discredit the person that brought up the facts. Again, I don’t like when people play these kind of games.

                  So again, where is the scientific evidence that shows caffeine taken rectally does not cause the same adverse effects as oral ingestion? Let’s see the studies proving your claim.

                  As for your claim “The people that crash after a coffee infusion may well have suffered from detox symptoms or had weak adrenals to start with”, “may well have” is simply a guess. People should not be dealing with health issues with guesses alone, but rather with possibilities that are then backed up with evidence by looking more in to possibilities. And if people already had weak adrenals to begin with then why were they being told to do these coffee enemas in the first place without being warned of the potential dangers? Why weren’t they given other options to safely cleanse their liver, such as digestive bitters, that have no risk of crashing the adrenals?

                  And why aren’t the coffee enema supporters also pointing out to people the other potential dangers such as the colonic absorption of the carcinogenic herbicides and pesticides on coffee beans? Even if “organic” the roasting of coffee beans produces the carcinogens polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. and acrylamide. Where are the websites or other sources from the coffee enema supporters warning the general public of these dangers as well?

                  For example, coffee has been linked to an increase in pancreatic cancer in various studies such as this one:

                  http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198103123041102

                  As we can see, I can back my claims with research. The question is can you? So once again, where are the studies backing your claim that caffeine taken rectally somehow has different effects on the body and does not crash the adrenals as you keep implying?

                • sunflower says

                  James….How can you compare my asking for your client based experiential back ground with you giving out your home address…you are obviously avoiding the question which answers the question by default.
                  Research and science are an essential part of medical progress…there is no doubt…at the same time how can we continue to believe in research that is funded by specific interest groups….Chemo therapy has been around for a long time and it is killing people all over the world….I rather place my trust in thorough investigations, a detailed case study of the individual client and choose the appropriate course of action….after 28 years in clinical practice I have come to learn how to apply science with the client in mind.
                  How can you say that your “evidenced” based science is actually effective in curing people when we see more and more that the standard approach to practicing medicine is based on principles that have their origin in a science financed by interest groups. I think it is better to agree to disagree than to keep this process going. Evidenced based Therapy is focused on real life realities not theories that have had tests applied to them without the client and their individual needs in mind. We are all unique and as such in need of personal considerations….you can’t apply theories across the board and hope for a positive outcome….chemo for example can kill you or help you live a while longer….how can you call that a generalized principle? It is more a Russian Roulette than science. It would be advisable to test people prior to their toxic chemo treatment whether or not the treatment is going to kill them or help them. This has been possible for a long time now but is never applied.

                • James says

                  Sunflower: “James….How can you compare my asking for your client based experiential back ground with you giving out your home address…”

                  I am sorry you missed my very simple point about giving out personal information on the internet. If you wish to that is your business. I am not you and as I have said so many times in the responses this blog IS NOT about me.

                  Sunflower: “you are obviously avoiding the question which answers the question by default.”

                  Not at all. Again you are assuming like you started out assuming and I am sure you continue to keep assuming. But as I pointed out so many times this blog IS NOT about me and therefore I am under no obligation to post personal information that has NOTHING to do with the actual topic to begin with and therefore IS NOT answering by default. Using that same reasoning we would have to conclude by default that you are not who you really claim to be since you refuse to post your address and phone number here publicly so that your information can be verified. See the fault in your reasoning yet?

                  If you want to stay on topic I don’t have a problem dealing with you. But people try to make another topic about an individual when they have no clue what they are talking about. Since they cannot debate the topic they try to debate the person. I am not going there with that game. Again, if you want to debate the actual topic then you can start with answering my question asked several times “where is the real evidence (studies) backing your claims that the coffee enemas actually do what you are claiming and do this without crashing the adrenals due to the caffeine”?

                  Sunflower: “Research and science are an essential part of medical progress…”

                  Then you should have no problem posting the research backing your claims that the coffee enemas actually do what you are claiming and do this without crashing the adrenals due to the caffeine.

                  Sunflower: “after 28 years in clinical practice I have come to learn how to apply science with the client in mind”

                  So again where is this science backing your claims? It is not science if there is no real evidence backing it. It is just a hypothesis. Real science is used to prove or disprove a hypothesis.

                  Sunflower: “How can you say that your “evidenced” based science is actually effective in curing people when we see more and more that the standard approach to practicing medicine is based on principles that have their origin in a science financed by interest groups.”

                  Again that is a hypothesis. Science IS NOT claiming that all research one disagrees with is faulty based on being funded by groups with a financial interest in the outcome.

                  Sunflower: “Evidenced based Therapy is focused on real life realities not theories”

                  A theory is a hypothesis that has been tested and proven by actual research. Basic science.

                  Sunflower: “chemo for example can kill you or help you live a while longer….how can you call that a generalized principle? It is more a Russian Roulette than science. ”

                  And yet you gave excuses for why the people I know who crashed their adrenals from using coffee enemas did crash their adrenals. So using your same reasoning coffee enemas are not a generalized principle nor real science but rather a game of Russian roulette since it may or may not crash your adrenals depending on various factors. These can include how strong your adrenals are to begin with, what supplements you are using to support the adrenals, how often you do the enemas, etc. Ironically, you actually admitted that the caffeine can have an adverse effect on the adrenals by saying the people may have had weak adrenals to begin with. Even if they were weak to begin with something would have to have tipped the scale further to cause their adrenals to crash since they were not in that state in the first place. This is where the caffeine from the coffee enemas comes in. So here we have evidence that yes, the caffeine in coffee enemas DOES IN FACT adversely affect the adrenal glands.

                  This is a great example of why we need real science and not assumptive hypotheses. People tend to see what they want to see even if the evidence is to the contrary. Therefore, they tend to ignore things like side effects or things that science has already proven to prop up their faulty hypotheses.

                  For example, there was the lady who swore up and down that ionized alkaline water cured her hypothyroidism. It did not matter to her whatsoever that there is absolutely no basis by which ionized alkaline water could treat hypothyroidism. With more questioning though she finally stated she started feeling better not when she started on the water but rather when her chiropractor gave her a magnesium shot. Since then she has been supplementing with magnesium citrate. What has real science taught us about magnesium? Among other things that it supports the thyroid. Again, this is why it is so important to rely on real science and not assumptive hypotheses.

                  So why play Russian roulette with things like coffee enemas that can crash the adrenals? Especially when there are safer and more effective means of cleansing the liver such as digestive bitters, or bupleurum for people who have had their gallbladders removed.

              • sunflower says

                James….you are a contradiction ….here you say you are not going to tell me about your clinical background b/c it is too personal and then you share with all of us that it is your birthday….that your Mum and partner are coming to pick you to go out for dinner etc,etc….that to me is personal.
                Anyway, Happy Birthday….and make sure you skip the coffee after your meal.

                • James says

                  Sunflower: “James….you are a contradiction ”

                  Not at all. No more than you stating you do clinical practice but refuse to provide your real name, address and phone number. When you figure out why then you will have your answer as to why you were wrong.

                  Now, once again, stop trying to make me the topic.

                  If you don’t understand the real topic of the acid-alkaline myth then read the article or ask on topic questions. I will be happy to explain things to you so you can catch up.

  16. James says

    Susie: “Was having small nerve damage as verified by lab testing. If felt as if my nerves were emitting electrical discharges all over my body. . When a friend suggested I switch to a more alkaline diet, these symptoms completely disappeared.”

    First of all there is no such thing as an “alkaline diet”. As pointed out so many times the so-called “alkaline foods” are most often loaded with naturally occurring acids. And ALL foods are eventually metabolized in to acids.

    The nerve damage you are referring to sounds like neuropathy from demyelination. There are several causes of this including viral infections and takes an extremely long time to correct since myelin is so slow to regenerate. On the other hand, many of the foods often incorrectly referred to as alkaline contain antiviral acids that would help with the treatment of viral induced neuropathies. The high magnesium levels on various other foods often incorrectly referred to as being “alkaline forming” can not only help calm nerve transmissions reducing neuropathy pain, but also helps in the regulation of blood sugar, which if high is also a common cause of neuropathy.

    It is actually lecithin and fatty acids that rebuild the myelin.

  17. susie says

    Was having small nerve damage as verified by lab testing. If felt as if my nerves were emitting electrical discharges all over my body. . When a friend suggested I switch to a more alkaline diet, these symptoms completely disappeared.

  18. James says

    Here we go again. Joseph Mahoney is tired of being proven wrong and being made to look like a complete fool. So instead of posting on topic, which is not me, and arguing the evidence presented he instead attacks the messenger yet once again in a poor attempt to divert attention away from his complete ignorance.

    Joseph Mahoney: “Do your homework on this man as several of us have and you too will find his motive. ”

    What is my motive? Ah., that’s right to help people as I pointed out to you previously. As I pointed out to you before I posted information on cancer and ozone, including a cancer formula anyone can use. I don’t charge for any of the information, nor do I sell a cancer formula or ozone units. So I don’t make a dime off of the information I post. I do this to help people because unlike you I don’t need to make a profit on every last little thing I do to help people. I realize that my giving FREE information to help people may cut in to your trying to profit off of of conning people but that is your problem, not mine.

    • Joseph Mahoney says

      James, how exactly did you prove me wrong? Several others and myself have already proven you benefit “profit” from your posts. Yes James we know not literally each post or the “so called” advice you give …figured I should throw that in there because of your lack of common sense and the need to take every last word as if it were stone. Some time ago another member here directed others to the site in which you are the admin…..bla bla bla. Your capsules you sell …. So people, believe as you wish. Opinions are just that! your immune system is the strongest and best cure for virtually anything. Feed it well and it will keep you well. Balance is the key !! Peace all !

      • James says

        Joseph Mahoney “James, how exactly did you prove me wrong?”

        Well, for starters you can go back and read your claim and my response on March 1 and then again on March 10. There are a couple of very good examples.

        Joseph Mahoney “Several others and myself have already proven you benefit “profit” from your posts.”

        LOL!!! You have not proven anything. Prove to everyone that I have made even one sale based on anyone reading what I have wrote here. Otherwise you are simply posting more of your unfounded assumptions.

        The fact is that you and the other people who feel that all you can do is personally attack me instead of dealing with the actual topic just keep proving my point of your complete ignorance. Why do people attack me, which is not the subject, instead of addressing the topic of the alkaline myth? Because these people are completely ignorant of the actual subject. Since they can’t fight the evidence they try and fight the messenger. The more you do this the more you prove my point.

        Joseph Mahoney “Opinions are just that!”

        And fact are just that. Problem is that you want to rely on your opinions rather than actual, proven facts.

        Joseph Mahoney “your immune system is the strongest and best cure for virtually anything. Feed it well and it will keep you well.”

        This is a great example of my comment above. Clearly you do not understand the simple fact that the immune system IS NOT a singular thing. It is a multitude of things, some of which are highly dependent on acids to function properly. And you cannot simply “feed” the immune system. It is these kind of completely absurd comments that get people in to trouble when they try to follow such ridiculous advice by people who really have no clue what they are talking about.

        • Joseph Mahoney says

          James you make me laugh. Again I chuckle at your lack of common sense “no offense intended” It’s quite obvious I know the immune system is not just one thing…geesh!! But unlike yourself I do not have the need to write a long drawn out explanation to information people can look up for themselves.

          In reguards to health, a person can look up information both to and against anything. Manipulated research to ensure points of view can be found. Yes yes I know you believe that isn’t true. Just shows how closed minded you are James.

          People, once again I warn you of James’s insistant need to act as if he knows everything. Alterior motives drives him! Peace all !

          • James says

            Joseph Mahoney: ” It’s quite obvious I know the immune system is not just one thing…geesh!! ”

            ROTFLMAO!!! Sure you did. That is why you also thought you could “feed” the immune system. Good try at trying to hide the fact that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about though.

            • Joseph Mahoney says

              Ah James the character behind the mask …childish response indeed. The word “system” should give anyone with more common sense than yourself the clue it is more than one thing. Anyway back to reality…

              James I hope you never have to deal with a potentionally deadly disease etc. Your world will be shattered. (Can just imagine the B.S. he will bring with this)

              Cancer cell – a cell that no longer has a specific function and one in which the body has not been able to destroy and get rid of. Mostly due to a low or weak immune system. Ever hear of someone that is potentionally immune to the growth of cancer? Of course we know everyone has cancer …but why is it some never have an issue while others do multiple times should they survive the first…. Their immune system and the ability to rid their bodies of poisons. By limiting the amount of poisons you put in, on, etc. I realize James this is probably too “so to speak” for you and your lack of common sense but bare with me.

              On subject …alkaline or acidic …BALANCE ! We have stated numorous times about blood level remaining at 7.4 yet you state hyperventilating raises that causing issues (yes James I could list but why?) So you say ph lvl cannot change yet turn right around and say it can ?? Now when we talk about food ph, saliva ph, etc. it is just a guide … Let’s say James you were outside with tons of chores to do and by the end of the day you had not one min to be inside doing chores…why? Too busy outside? Our bodies are no different, simply exhausting every effort to maintain a blood ph of a body consuming nothing but acidic or all alkaline foods it has no time left to fight off infections, disease, cancer cells, etc. I pretty sure everyone gets it …. A persons health can not be explained in a few words, sentences, or even pages. Everyone is unique, body chemistry different, etc.

              • James says

                Joseph Mahoney: “The word “system” should give anyone with more common sense than yourself the clue it is more than one thing.”

                Yet as I pointed out you clearly did not realize this since you erroneously thought you could “feed” this system. Since it is not a singular thing then how exactly do you “feed” the system, or more specifically each of the various parts. This should be fun to hear your answer.

                Joseph Mahoney: “James I hope you never have to deal with a potentionally deadly disease etc. Your world will be shattered.”

                Not at all. Unlike you I know how most diseases can be easily cured. What a lot of this really takes is simply knowing about and understanding the diseases. When people guess about diseases, such as how you do then I can see where having a potentially deadly disease would shatter your world. As for me the idea does not bother me because again I know what to do and I have seen these ideas applied and how well they worked over and over in the last 23 years I have worked in holistic medicine.

                Joseph Mahoney: “Cancer cell – a cell that no longer has a specific function and one in which the body has not been able to destroy and get rid of.”

                This is a great example of your lack of understanding of this disease. In fact you also contradict yourself later in your statement, which I will get back to in a moment.

                But first of all you claim the cancer cell no longer has a specific function. What about its specific function to grow? And have you considered the fact that just because these cells are dividing more rapidly that they can still perform some of the same functions as their normal counterparts? So you are clearly wrong on that point.

                Then you incorrectly claim that the body cannot destroy or get rid of these cells. First of all the immune system can in fact detect and destroy cancer cells in SOME instances. The problem is that the cancer cells have become very adept to evading immune detection in most cases. On the other hand if you were correct in claiming the body is not “able to destroy and get rid of” cancer cells then there would be no such thing as cancer cures from immune boosters such as interferons, interleukins, polysaccahrides, etc. And there would be no such thing as “spontaneous remissions”, even though documents cases of cancer cures have been reported on both levels. So once again you are clearly wrong again.

                Joseph Mahoney: “Mostly due to a low or weak immune system. Ever hear of someone that is potentionally immune to the growth of cancer? ”

                Amazing, you actually got something right. Yes, this is a big problem with immune suppression such as with the use of immune suppressing drugs such as Prednisone or Cyclosporine, and with immune dysfunction such as with some diseases or immune dysfunction syndromes. I doubt if you know why though.

                Joseph Mahoney: ” Of course we know everyone has cancer”

                Wrong!!!! This is another myth that people who don’t have a clue what they are talking about keep repeating. If a person really understands the properties of cancer cells then they would understand why. But this is also where you contradict yourself. Earlier you said that cancer cells are cells the body is not “able to destroy and get rid of”. Funny how you claim I don’t have common sense when here you are making such an ignorant statement due to you lack of common sense. I doubt if you even see your BLATANT error since you don’t even know what common sense is, so let me help you out. If you were correct in claiming that the body cannot destroy and get rid of cancer cells and we all had cancer cells guess what? We would all have died from cancer a long time ago.

                People who falsely claim we all have cancer cells make this error because they are ignorant of human anatomy and physiology. Therefore, they make the mistake of not being to differentiate between the rapidly diving cells of malignancies and the rapidly dividing cells of non-malignant conditions such as psoriasis or even a growing fetus.

                This is why people need to be very careful obtaining their health information on the internet. There are a lot of Joseph Mahoneys running around the internet spouting bogus health information because they are extremely ignorant of the subjects of health and medicine.

                Joseph Mahoney: “but why is it some never have an issue while others do multiple times should they survive the first…. Their immune system and the ability to rid their bodies of poisons. By limiting the amount of poisons you put in, on, etc.”

                WOW, there clearly is no limit to your ignorance of the subject. You need to learn how cancer actually forms. When you do you will realize how amazingly stupid that statement you just made really is!!!

                Joseph Mahoney: “We have stated numorous times about blood level remaining at 7.4 yet you state hyperventilating raises that causing issues (yes James I could list but why?) ”

                Right, there is no reason to repeat that since I already explained it to you so you could comprehend the concept..

                Joseph Mahoney: “So you say ph lvl cannot change yet turn right around and say it can ?? ”

                First of all it is “pH”, not “ph”. Secondly, what is “lvl”? Were you maybe attempting to write “IV”? If so then you are making stuff up AGAIN!!! Here is my quote:

                “IV bicarboante can be used to buffer acidity, but it must be used very carefully since IV bicarbonate can cause acidosis through the byproduct formed, which is carbonic acid.”

                Joseph Mahoney: “Now when we talk about food ph, saliva ph, etc. it is just a guide”

                ROTFLMAO!!! Guide to what? Food pH is irrelevant since all foods are made acidic in the stomach, alkalized in the intestine then eventually metabolized in to acids. And saliva DOES NOT reflect blood pH nor pH of tissues throughout the body. That is just another myth that keeps getting perpetuated by people who are completely ignorant of medicine and human health.

                Joseph Mahoney: “Our bodies are no different, simply exhausting every effort to maintain a blood ph of a body consuming nothing but acidic or all alkaline foods it has no time left to fight off infections, disease, cancer cells, etc. ”

                Again, there is NO such thing as an acid nor an alkaline food. As has been explained over and over ALL foods are made acidic in the stomach, alkaline in the intestines and are ALL metabolized in to acids in the end. The acid and alkaline food claims are yet another MYTH perpetuated by people who are completely ignorant of medicine and human health.

                And there are not reserves being used up to balance pH. If you really understood how the body works you would know why. You can read the article and read back through the comments if you really want to learn why so you can stop perpetuating this myth.

                Joseph Mahoney: “A persons health can not be explained in a few words, sentences, or even pages. Everyone is unique, body chemistry different, etc.”

                Yet there are numerous aspects that we all share such as how hemoglobin carries oxygen or how the digestive system works, or how muscles contract and relax or how cellular energy is produced, etc. If your bogus claim was true then how could you claim eating junk food all the time is bad since it could be good for some people and eating fruits and vegetables could be dangerous. But the fact is that all people need nutrients, which are best derived from healthy foods. So once again something we all have in common. Some people just need to learn how to use some basic common sense to figure such simple things out!!!

                • Joseph Mahoney says

                  To other members here…Have you ever heard the stories of people who think they know so much about a topic that they miss much of the easy, simple, and obvious solutions? James is one of these people. So obsessed with his own ideas (those ideas he has planted in his mind as being the only correct way or form etc.) A skilled mechanic that overlooks a loose battery terminal, a computer tech not recognizing conflict within programs, etc.

                  Pointless to argue with you James, you are in your own frame of mind and reluctant to look outside the box, simplify, and bound and determined that only your ideas are correct… Remember our world wasn’t so complicated at one time …one of our main issues is man made poisons that people consume without knowledge ….additives, perscription drugs, even lotions we put on our skin poison the body….wish I had time to explain in detail, but, I do not. Everyone be well !

                • James says

                  Joseph Mahoney: “To other members here…Have you ever heard the stories of people who think they know so much about a topic that they miss much of the easy, simple, and obvious solutions?”

                  Have you heard of people who keep attacking the messenger instead of the message because they have no clue what they are talking about? Joseph Mahoney is one of those characters. He has been disproven so many times that his ego just cannot handle it. So he lashes out over and over against the messenger instead of attacking the message with actual evidence.

                  Not how he keeps evading my questions such as how does he “feed the immune system” when the immune system is not a singular thing. He has no way to properly respond since he just made this claim up as well.

                  Joseph Mahoney: “James is one of these people. So obsessed with his own ideas (those ideas he has planted in his mind as being the only correct way or form etc.) ”

                  I realize you are allergic to facts Joseph, which is why you have such a problem with the evidence I presented. But the evidence IS NOT my own ideas, it is from research proven over and over from various medical studies that have proven how the body really works. This is far from your method of guessing at how the body may work.

                  Joseph Mahoney: “Pointless to argue with you James”

                  True when you rely on guessing and propaganda sites to back your claims and I rely on evidence. I just hope you don’t hurt anyone with your bogus claims.

                • Joseph Mahoney says

                  Oh James … “feed the immune system” is a figure of speech. You need a bit of common sense to understand that. If I were to say leukocytes who would know I was talking about white blood cells? How many think of skin or enzymes produced by, or fluid covering the eye, etc. as part of the immune system? When we speak of the immune system most do not totally understand, they don’t need to or so they believe. The fact is cancer is not as complicated as our country makes it out to be…find a study that show why many people are basically immune to cancer….there is our answer !! Now as far as alkaline/acidic …It’s maintaining the correct balance for YOU. What works for one person may not work for another … anyway James ..always interesting to listen to your b.s. Best wishes to everyone…be well !!

                • James says

                  Joseph Mahoney: ““feed the immune system” is a figure of speech.”

                  It’s fun watching you try to skate around your own comment. Let’s assume it is a figure of speech as you are now claiming. Again, how do you “feed” the immune system, figuratively speaking? In case you forgot what you said here is your quote again:

                  “your immune system is the strongest and best cure for virtually anything. Feed it well and it will keep you well”

                  Joseph Mahoney: “When we speak of the immune system most do not totally understand, they don’t need to or so they believe.”

                  So educate all of us. How do you “feed” the immune system figuratively speaking? Be specific though so there is nothing questionable.

                  Joseph Mahoney: “The fact is cancer is not as complicated as our country makes it out to be…find a study that show why many people are basically immune to cancer….there is our answer !! ”

                  If you understand cancer and immunity then you would know that people really do not build an immunity to cancer. So you are making things up again.

                  Joseph Mahoney: “Now as far as alkaline/acidic …It’s maintaining the correct balance for YOU. ”

                  The body maintains a proper blood pH without assistance except in SUPER RARE instances. You cannot force the pH one way or the other without serious consequences and with putting the body under more stress as the body has to work harder to correct the imbalance the person forced the body in to. For example if they ingest a bunch of backing soda in an attempt to alkalize.

                  Since you brought up using common sense earlier let me give you a lesson in just that. The body can only live within a very narrow pH range. If the blood was really becoming acidic from diet or if eating food could really alkalize the blood a is being falsely claimed then we would all die from eating since “acidic” foods would push our pH out of range and “alkaline” foods would push our pH out of range. That is COMMON SENSE!!!

                • Author J.P. Mahoney says

                  “Since you brought up using common sense earlier let me give you a lesson in just that. The body can only live within a very narrow pH range. If the blood was really becoming acidic from diet or if eating food could really alkalize the blood a is being falsely claimed then we would all die from eating since “acidic” foods would push our pH out of range and “alkaline” foods would push our pH out of range. That is COMMON SENSE!!!”

                  James…No kidding ! I’m shocked ..NOT! We have been through this 100 times. Lets make this simple … Eat only acidic food and see what happens…your body will spend so much time trying to maintain ph it wont have time for many other things. You will be sick frequently, recovery time will lengthen etc. etc. Same if you eat all alkaline…this should be common sense… Maintain a proper diet ..again…proper diet for YOU and your body does much better.

                  Your so up on facts why don’t you give us the facts on the 100 billion dollars perscription drug companies, etc. made in 2013 off cancer or the fact that even with all your so called research bla bla lung cancer has increased as well as many others. It’s pounded into our heads that mass improvements have been made on the fight against cancer, yet all stats don’t reflect such talk.

                  “The body maintains a proper blood pH without assistance except in SUPER RARE instances. You cannot force the pH one way or the other without serious consequences and with putting the body under more stress as the body has to work harder to correct the imbalance the person forced the body in to. For example if they ingest a bunch of backing soda in an attempt to alkalize.”

                  How does the body do that James if you are eating a bunch of junk containing tons of poisons with cancer adding even more acidic poison and then you add some chemo or radiation bla bla bla …simple..It doesn’t whithout help. Help your body rid the poisons and you increase your chance of survival. Help the body maitain ph you also help the body fight off everything else…you always go from one extreme to the other…balance..how many times does that have to be said before you get it? Hyperventilate..you said it yourself raises the ph to a dangerous level yet you say body maitains it all all times….yada yada. I get it James..this is your livelyhood, you need people to believe this b.s. All I’m saying is think outside the box, the percentage of survivors from chemo,radiation, etc. is rediculously low…Poisons, eating habits, exercise, etc. is the key to a much better survival rate. Balance..not all one way or another. Just remember… 100 billion dollars in one year from keeping us sick…..enough said !!!

                  Best wishes to you James. Someday may your knowledge sway our way…”peace”

                • James says

                  Joseph Mahoney: “We have been through this 100 times. Lets make this simple … Eat only acidic food and see what happens…your body will spend so much time trying to maintain ph it wont have time for many other things. You will be sick frequently, recovery time will lengthen etc. etc. Same if you eat all alkaline…this should be common sense…”

                  Sheesh… I cannot believe that any living human being could be so dense!!! Look at my quote carefully again:

                  ” If the blood was really becoming acidic from diet or if eating food could really alkalize the blood….”

                  Now, note where the word “if” comes up several times. The word “if” is used to denote that the claims of acidifying and alkalizing by diet are MYTHS!!! I DID NOT say “when” the diet alters the pH, but was stating “if” this really occurred. The ONLY way diet is going to alkalize the blood is if you dangerously overwhelmed the body’s pH buffering systems, which is not as easy to do as it seems because the body has various systems it uses as primary pH regulators and that DOES NOT involve diet.

                  So the point was that “IF” diet really altered the blood pH as the alkaline supporters claim then we would all be dead, This is because if diet were the primary pH regulator and foods really were acid or alkaline forming then diet would throwing our pH all over the place and outside of the range we could live. Luckily the alkaline and acid forming foods myth is just that, a MYTH!!! Come on Joseph use a few brain cells for once and some common sense!!!

                  Joseph Mahoney: “Your so up on facts why don’t you give us the facts on the 100 billion dollars perscription drug companies, etc…..”

                  Why in the hell are you rambling over something that has nothing specifically do with anything being discussed? Are you trying to divert attention away from this question for you I wrote based on your ludicrous earlier statement:

                  “How do you “feed” the immune system figuratively speaking? Be specific though so there is nothing questionable.”

                  Or are you trying to cover up for your other ludicrous statement about people supposedly building an immunity to cancer?

                  Joseph Mahoney: “How does the body do that James if you are eating a bunch of junk containing tons of poisons with cancer adding even more acidic poison and then you add some chemo or radiation bla bla bla ”

                  ROTFLMAO!!! You really are a piece of work!!! As has been explained over and over the body’s main means of pH regulation is RESPIRATION. Next is the kidney’s retention or elimination of hydrogen ions. These two account for nearly all the body’s pH regulation. There are still various other minor means of pH regulation for the body, but diet has virtually no direct influence on alkalizing the body.

                  In addition, for some reason you seem to have some weird obsession with acids being poisons. You clearly don’t understand that the body cannot survive, function, detox or even exist without a variety of acids. On the other hand one of the most toxic compounds produced in the body is highly alkaline ammonia. Yes, many poisons, and some of the most toxic compounds known are alkaline!!! Luckily the body has some means to deal with alkaline poisons, although in a more limited capacity. This is why alkalosis is considered more significantly more dangerous than acidosis.

                  But thanks for proving once and for all that you have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about!!!

                  Joseph Mahoney: “you always go from one extreme to the other…balance..how many times does that have to be said before you get it? ”

                  LOL!!!! How many times do you have to be told the simple FACT that the body maintains its own pH in the balance it needs WITHOUT assistance except in EXTREMELY rare cases?!!!! Again, use some simple common sense Joseph Mahoney!!!! If the body was not maintaining this balance then we would all be dead since the body cannot survive if that balance goes outside of that narrowly balanced range!!!! Not a hard concept to understand. In fact, I can sit down and eat a whole gallon of ice cream that you claim is acid forming and it would not kill me even though acidosis can lead to death. Or I can sit a couple pounds of carrots, which you think is alkalizing and again it will not kill me. Why is that Joseph Mahoney when either acidosis or alkalosis can kill? Simple, diet DOES NOT regulate the blood’s pH to any significant level. Again, this is super simple common sense!!!!! Try it for once Joseph Mahoney!!!

                  Joseph Mahoney: “Hyperventilate..you said it yourself raises the ph to a dangerous level yet you say body maitains it all all times….yada yada.”

                  Yep, you are denser that lead!!! I also love how you only present a part of what I said to make your point. Just proves how dishonest you are. What you left out is the part of what happens when the hyperventilation causes the alkalosis. The rest of what I said that you deliberately left out is the fact that the alkalosis causes the blood vessels feeding the brain to constrict cutting off the blood supply and causing us to pass out. When we pass out the person;s breathing slows significantly or even stops temporarily to build up carbonic acid to counter the alkalosis that cut off the blood supply to the brain. The increase in carbonic acid restores the pH to normal as well as the blood flow to the brain. Thus the body corrects the induced pH imbalance as it generally does with other forms of pH imbalance.

                  Maybe you should follow the Yellow Brick Road and see if the Wizard has an extra brain he can spare for you!!!

                • Joseph Mahoney says

                  Once again James you manage to take a few statements and consider them in stone …Thank you for enlightening us on how the body corrects itself after hyperventilating..because I’m sure nobody figured that much out after you stop hyperventilating.

                  Seriously look at what this man types, so much a waste of time…but then again thats what our gov. and pharmaceutical companies do …pretend ! Thanks James I have enough of what I was looking for.

                  Members here…. Think about this, Read what James writes, if he knows so much about how the body works then there must be many others that know more..yet no forward progress has been made with cancer and other diseases? How is that possible? James here alone seems to have it all figured out ! Again I remind you 100 billion dollar pharmaceutical company profits of 2013 …. They simply pretend to make advancements, when in reality as “We the People” learn to eat better, stay healthier, they find more ways to keep us sick…. Do your research! You will see for yourself. “peace all”

              • James says

                Joseph Mahoney: “Thank you for enlightening us on how the body corrects itself after hyperventilating..because I’m sure nobody figured that much out after you stop hyperventilating.”

                You are welcome. I am glad I could help you to understand that simple concept since you were not able to figure it out on your own.

                It is a great example though of how the body maintains its pH WITHOUT outside assistance. The body has actually been maintaining its pH balance without outside assistance ever since humans became present on Earth. This is why the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its pH. The body can only live within a very narrow pH range so the body has various means of pH regulation, respiration being the primary. So we really do not use up alkaline reserves as some people falsely claim.

                Joseph Mahoney: “Members here…. Think about this, Read what James writes, if he knows so much about how the body works then there must be many others that know more..yet no forward progress has been made with cancer and other diseases? How is that possible? ”

                ROTFLMAO!!!! Members, think about how Joseph Mahoney has to make everything a personal attack. Why is that? Simple, he has no clue what he is talking about and thus he cannot argue the facts presented. So instead he has to attack the messenger with his false claims to divert people from seeing his real ignorance.

                For example, here he is falsely claiming that there has been no progress with cancer and other diseases. How about the facts that we now know that cancer cells die if they become acidic? Or the fact that we now know that the vast majority of cancers are caused by viruses so that we now have a new means to attack cancer. For example, all the research showing that betulinic acid kills cancer:

                http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3600

                In fact, there is all sorts of research showing the anti-cancer activity of various things from plants to ozone. Here are some more examples:

                http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=151

                http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=83

                http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=548

                And more on the allopathic side:

                http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=130

                This is just the tip of the iceberg of what is being learned about cancer alone. Just because Joseph Mahoney prefers to get all of his information from paranoia filled propaganda sites rather than investigating all the current research readily available does not mean advances in cancer have not been made.

                The fact is that contrary to what the propaganda sites claim we have learned so much about cancer. Again, the fact that most are viral induced and there is only ONE cancer that has shown any potential hereditary factor. That cancer cells are highly reliant on oxygen and increased oxygen levels promote cancer growth. That cancer cells have a highly alkaline internal pH that allows them to survive and thrive. The list of things we have learned goes on and on.

                What Joseph Mahoney has not figured out is that advances take long periods of time to become accepted. Look at Helicobacter pylori for example. The scientist that discovered the link between H. pylori and ulcers was ridiculed, blackballed, etc. for over a decade. Ironically, the drug companies were working on antibiotic therapies for H. pylori the entire time. And as soon as the drug companies had their testing completed and their products ready for market all of a sudden the H. pylori link to ulcers was suddenly accepted as fact. This is actually quite common. Many natural substances for cancer and other diseases are often ridiculed until the drug companies find a way to patent the substance then all of a sudden it becomes accepted. Look at angiogenesis inhibition, which was in use for years by the holistic community before it became common in the allopathic community. Podophyllumtoxin was reported as being highly effective against 6 forms of cancer including breast cancer in both the Journal of the American Medical Association and the Journal of the American Cancer Society back in the 50s. It took about 50 years though before it was synthesized and patented then sold to be used a chemotherapy drug. Point is that advances are made all the time. This does not mean it will be made available to the public as long as there is big money being made from the disease.

                And this is not just limited to cancer. We now know that the vast majority of diabetes cases DO NOT involve pancreatic failure. In fact, the most serious side effects of type 2 diabetes result from an excess of insulin being released by the pancreas. We know that chromium and magnesium help to keep insulin receptors open. We now know that osteoporosis IS NOT the result of mineral loss, but rather collagen loss. We know why nonsteroidal drugs (NSAIDs) contribute to arthritis. And can cause heart attacks, strokes, liver or kidney failure even with a single recommended dose. We know that acid reflux IS NOT the result of excess stomach acid. Etc., etc., etc. Just because Joseph Mahoney has not put forth any effort to look for the NUMEROUS advances that have been made in medicine this DOES NOT mean they do not exist. Joseph Mahoney is not the all-knowing God he thinks he is!!!

                Joseph Mahoney: “Do your research! ”

                Irony at its best. Joseph Mahoney telling other people to do their research when he himself has never done this. Reading paranoia propaganda sites and accepting whatever their claim without question or researching the claims does not count as research.

                • Rebecca says

                  I just want to let you know that the fact that you let this Joe guy entertain you into his Bickering for so long has become the reason why I will no longer read anymore on this page.

  19. Joseph Mahoney says

    So amusing watching and reading the people praising James for his long winded responses …He simply tries to confuse you with his B.S.

    Do your homework on this man as several of us have and you too will find his motive.

    Health … It’s simple, feed the body what it needs and it will cure, correct, and maintain !

  20. Vedran says

    Body is too complex to reduce that issue on pH. Many important functions are realized in alkaline and many in acidic environment. There is no unique ideal pH that is omipresent in whole body equally.
    Secondly, observational studies by their nature/methodology are not sufficient to prove anything whether it is for or against acidic or alkaline environment. They can indicate but not sufficiently argue so complex issues as it is pH.
    Thirdly, food can influence some parts of activity of kidneys, but it depends on many factors is that sufficient or not. I am afraidthat we talk here in too general terms with wish to be very precise and distinct.

  21. Marianne3 says

    I have changed my diet several times in an effort to treat my chronic pain. The pain is caused by ehlers-danlos, osteoarthritis and firbo. Here is my experience: Years ago, I tried a clean Vegan diet (net alkiline). I had more energy but no change in pain. At the time my mother was also a vegan, worked out like a feen and was still over weight. As of February 2014, I started eating a ketogenic diet (net acidic), like the inuits, and many good things have happened! My pain was reduced by 50%! I lost 30 lbs (bmi from 33 to 22.5) and my blood pressure and pulse has gone down. Plus, my HDL is up and my LDL and triglycerides are down. Now those are realitive markers! I would encourage anyone that is overweight, has inflammation, fibro or yeast issues to try this way of eating. It has given me my life back!

    • James says

      Hi Martie,

      No, this is not a sign of acidosis and has nothing to do with acidosis. If you are referring to this giving you an upset stomach then you likely have an ulcer or at least gastritis.

      James

  22. James Wagner says

    Hey Chris, I’ve enjoyed your 2-part article here. The comments certainly run the gamut, don’t they?

    Anyway, a friend of mine is trying to get me to use an alkalizing water machine, and I am skeptical. However, I was just about to drop the subject after reading a bunch of articles when I ran into Ray Kurzweil’s piece on water ionization and alkalinity, here:
    http://www.healthalkaline.com/scientist-ray-kurzweil-answers-alkaline-water-questions/

    Do his analyses make sense to you? Hope you get a moment for even a brief reply.

    Best wishes,

    James

    • says

      In reply to James – I can truly understand you may be skeptical about Alkaline Water, there has been a lot of negative writing on the net over the lasts few years, but if I can tell you, I have been drinking Alkaline Ionised Water for the past 14 years.

      When I first started drinking the water I wasn’t really aware that there was anything special about the water other than the lightness and good taste of the water. It was in my opinion back then, like drinking velvet! I had suffered massive neck and thoracic injuries that left me almost crippled.

      Within a few short months of drinking the water I noticed that things were changing in my health but attributed them to other factors. Until one day in 2003 when I went on a short trip to South Australia. In the week I was away, I started to feel some of the old health issues arise (arthritis and lack of energy etc) I put it down to the travel. But then, after I returned home and resumed my normal life, all the pains suddenly started disappearing again. So, this had me a little befuddled… and I started experimenting. Within a short time, I realised that it had to be the water, as that was the only thing that really changed for me. I studied as much as I could to understand what it was about Alkaline Water that made is so special, that was when I purchased my own machine, so that I could have a constant and fresh supply of the water. I learned that I only take holidays where I can be assured of my water supply and I live and breathe for this water and nobody will convince me otherwise, I am 56 years old, most people think I am 10+ years younger than my age, I am fit and healthy, my doctor thinks I am boring because there is nothing wrong with me other than my injuries. It seems that most of my friends all have something to complain about… but they still think I am crazy when I tell them to drink the water. I have however had success with a number of friends and family over the years that have been so desperate to find anything to help them with their ailments that they resorted to taking my water in 20 ltr bottles and drinking at least the 2ltrs a day. I have seen what the water has done for IBS, Acid Reflux and much more… I do plan to write a book about my adventure and hope that I can help others along the way.

      Very recently I started a new business in partnership with one of my converts… he was a man who was so sick with Chronic Fatigue, and after trying my water, he asked me if I would be interested in going into business with him. I accepted and the result can be found here… if there is anything you want to know this is the place to find it. (even if you don’t buy anything, it is worth finding as much as you can on the subject) Alkaline Ionised Water

      • James says

        Magreth: ” I had suffered massive neck and thoracic injuries that left me almost crippled.

        Within a few short months of drinking the water I noticed that things were changing in my health but attributed them to other factors. Until one day in 2003 when I went on a short trip to South Australia. In the week I was away, I started to feel some of the old health issues arise (arthritis and lack of energy etc) I put it down to the travel. But then, after I returned home and resumed my normal life, all the pains suddenly started disappearing again.”

        Being that arthritis does not occur that quick this tells me that your arthritis never went away despite drinking the water for 14 years. And if you developed the arthritis after starting on the water this means it did not prevent the arthritis either.

        I see no way that the water could really mask the pain of the arthritis either. The change on your trip could have simply been a change in your diet and you went back to a better diet when you returned home. Again, this is an example of why we need controlled studies to determine is something is really helping and if so how it is helping.

        As I have pointed out in the past several times people often do multiple things that can help them but attribute the benefits to one thing even if it may not have anything to do with it. For example, many people advocate cesium chloride for cancer and base their belief on one study that showed a remission in a small number of people in the study. What they are overlooking if they read the entire study and not just a synopsis on some propaganda site is the fact that the people in the study were given multiple therapies, some of which are known for being beneficial for cancer. The cesium chloride IS NOT one of them. In fact, cesium chloride has been shown in multiple studies to not only cause cancer but also promotes the growth of existing cancers. So people are reading in to the study ignoring the real beneficial therapies while giving credit to a therapy that is not only dangerous and ineffective, but also cancer forming and cancer growth promoting.

        I am glad you are feeling better, but I am not going to accept the claim that the water is what is helping without some type of real proof of how it could help. For example, what is the exact mechanism by which the water is supposedly helping?

        On the other hand, as I have pointed out numerous times neutralizing the stomach acid with alkalizers including alkaline water decreases methylation. The process of methylation is required for around 4,000 reactions in the body including helping with cartilage formation. This could explain why you still have arthritis despite drinking the water for 14 years. Therefore, here is proof that there is more evidence that the alkaline water is doing more damage to the body than it is supposedly helping.

        Magreth: “I have seen what the water has done for IBS, Acid Reflux and much more…”

        Neutralizing the stomach acid is not going to help at all with IBS. In fact, it can actually lead to worse health issues in the case of IBS. The reason is that in cases of IBS there is intestinal inflammation making it more susceptible to absorption of protein solutes in to the bloodstream. These protein solutes form from the lack of stomach acid, which also requires methylation for production. The protein digestive enzyme pepsin cannot function properly without sufficient stomach acid. When the stomach acid is neutralized, and its production decreased by alkalizers the pepsin cannot break down proteins completely leaving the protein solutes. When these protein solutes absorb through the inflamed intestine they act as antigens triggering off allergic responses. This also taxes the adrenals, which further increases inflammation, including aggravating the IBS.

        As for the acid reflux, yes alkaline waters will COVER UP the symptoms just like Tums or an acid blocker. This DOES NOT make it safe or beneficial. Most cases of acid reflux result from a lack of stomach acid to begin with, which increases fermentation in the stomach. The gas formation applies pressure on the lower esophageal sphincter until it tires out. When the LES relaxes the gas and TRACES of acid escape up the esophagus causing the “heart burn”. Further lowering the stomach acid by neutralization and inhibiting further acid production TEMPORARILY masks the symptoms but makes the underlying condition worse, which is a major factor on why people become dependent on acid neutralizers and acid blockers to keep suppressing their symptoms as they make the underlying condition worse.

        Magreth: “he was a man who was so sick with Chronic Fatigue, and after trying my water, he asked me if I would be interested in going into business with him.”

        Chronic fatigue is not a disease or disorder with any specific cause. It is a syndrome, which is a group of symptoms. Again, if you want to convince me then show me exactly how this water can help with any of the things that can lead to the symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome.

      • says

        Hi, Magreth, we sold this brand of water ionizer for 12 years and decided to stop doing so and convert to our own non-electric hydrogen system. I understand you are excited about the possibility of selling ‘alkaline’ water but would suggest respectfully that you take a look at http://www.molecularhydrogeninstitute.com to get the real story about the water you are selling.
        Then ask your supplier if the systems you are selling have been tested for hydrogen output.

  23. Jeff says

    Hey James,

    You seem to be a very informed/intelligent individual.
    What are your thoughts on them boys @ Stanford? Also, I recently opted for a
    anti inflammatory diet instead of “the mythical” wheat grass thing (cancer prevention). Your thoughts on this? Oh and honey(sugar) feeds cancer? I just spent 50 bucks yesterday, for the smallest jar of honey i have ever seen! (Organic Raw Manuka Honey) it is SUPOSED to be anti inflammatory being it has a ‘special’ kind of sugar.

    Thanking you in advance for you efforts,

    js

    • James says

      Jeff: “What are your thoughts on them boys @ Stanford?”

      I don’t know who you are referring to.

      Jeff: “Also, I recently opted for a
      anti inflammatory diet instead of “the mythical” wheat grass thing (cancer prevention). Your thoughts on this? ”

      Inflammation does appear to be a co-factor in some cancers. But the primary cause of cancer still remains as viruses. Other less common causes include bacteria, mycotoxin and radiation. Parasites are an extremely rare cause of cancer and heredity the most rare cause as there is only one cancer with any real evidence showing a possible hereditary link.

      So will an anti-inflammatory diet help prevent cancer? Not necessarily. Depending on what you eat it may help in some ways other than reducing inflammation though. For example, fruits and vegetables can boost immunity due their vitamin C (ascorbic acid) and the fibers that feed the flora producing beneficial acids that help reduce the risk of cancer. Fruits and vegetables also contain anti-cancer phytoestrogens and anticancer acids such as chlorgenic acid.

      Jeff: “Oh and honey(sugar) feeds cancer?”

      Yes. In fact cancer cells have a higher affinity for sugar than healthy cells.. But there is more to the story. It is impossible to avoid sugar for one. Many people don’t realize that even something like beef contains naturally occurring sugar.

      And even if we try to cut sugar out of our die the body will still generate its own glucose from a variety of sources such as glycogen, lactate, amino acids, etc. to maintain blood sugar levels. So simply attempting to cut sugar from the diet is not the answer for cancer either. It is a good idea to limit sugar intake and to make sure you get fiber with your meals to slow glucose absorption to prevent spikes in blood sugar.

      Speaking of which, one of the reasons I am not a real big fan of juicing is that most juicers remove the beneficial fiber from the juice. By removing the fiber the sugar in the juice will absorb much faster in to the bloodstream, increasing spikes in blood sugar, which is not healthy cancer or not.

      Fibers are also extremely important for feeding the flora, which account for most of our immune function among other things. The flora generate acids that protect us from pathogens and help with nutrient absorption. They also produce bactericides that kill pathogenic bacteria, compete for food and space with pathogenic bacteria, produce antiseptic and immune stimulating peroxides and produce about 80% of the body’s serotonin. The flora also generate B vitamins and vitamin K for the body. Therefore, removing the fiber from juices is not healthy, it’s ridiculous.

      Getting back to honey really quick a lot of people think honey is better than table sugar (sucrose). But honey contains a variety of sugars including sucrose. So it can still spike blood sugar and suppress immune function just like table sugar. The only real big advantage of honey over table sugar is that the darker honeys are good antioxidants.

      • says

        If I may leave a quick comment, there is a better alternative to Honey… Rice Malt Syrup… It may be worth trying to help substitute your sugar as well as reduce the overall sugar intake – It does help reduce the Inflammation. (I have had major issues with inflammation as part of my injuries, and sugar is poison to my system)

  24. Dr Paul says

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    • James says

      Dr Paul: “Cannabis oil fight against HIV A Deadly disease which kills,”

      First of all this has NOTHING to do with the topic of the blog article.

      Secondly, HIV IS NOT a disease, it is a virus formerly known as human T-cell leukemia/lymphoma virus type 3 (HTLV 3). It is one of 3 human leukemia/lymphoma cancer viruses.

      Dr Paul: “they say there is no cure but there is a cure”

      There are various methods that have been shown to destroy the HIV virus for decades. Ozone, Compound Q, St. Johnswort extract, lentinan (shiitake mushroom extract), hyperthermia, etc.

      AIDS on the other hand is not a disease either, it is a syndrome. Look at the letters of the acronym. AIDS stands for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Syndromes are not diseases, but rather a group of symptoms. These symptoms can have various causes.

      Ironically, the HIV virus could not cause AIDS under the original definition. This is why the definition of AIDS was changed to fit the virus after one of the government’s top scientists, Robert Gallo lied to the world claiming HIV was the cause of AIDS. Gallo had already embarrassed the U.S. government once when he was busted for scientific fraud. Now he wanted to defraud the people again and make a big profit doing so. Since Gallo held the patent rights on the notoriously inaccurate HIV antibody test the only way he could profit on his patent was to falsely claim that HIV was the cause of AIDS and to make sure the public believed this lie. Again the problem was that the HIV virus COULD NOT cause AIDS under the original definition. The original definition of this syndrome was the development of opportunistic infections such as Kaposi’s sarcoma (a viral induced cancer caused by human herpes virus type 8) and pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, caused by the fungal infection Pneumocystis jiroveci. HIV cannot collapse the immune system to cause opportunistic infections since the HIV virus can only lower CD4 counts. But other immune cells can operate independently of the CD4s and support the immune system even in the absence of CD4s. Therefore, Gallo clearly lied when he claimed before a world wide AIDS symposium that HIV was the cause of AIDS. But the media had already jumped on the claim and it spread worldwide. It was just a matter of time before scientists around the world were going to expose Gallo’s most current fraud so the government scrambled to find a way to cover up Gallo’s fraud. They came up with the idea to change the definition of AIDS so that it would fit the HIV virus. Therefore, the definition of AIDS was changes to include the drop of CD4 counts below 200 so they could now honestly claim HIV could cause AIDS.

      What they still keep leaving out though is the fact that there were causes of AIDS before they changed the definition of AIDS to fit HIV. The ONLY known virus that could cause AIDS under the original definition is human herpes virus type 6 variant A (HHV6-A). Unlike HIV, HHV6-A collapses the immune system by destroying multiple key immune cells leading to the opportunistic infections that defined AIDS originally. HHV6-A also reduces CD4 cell counts leading to AIDS under the new definition made to fit HIV.

      Technically we could consider the pathogens that give an AIDS diagnosis as causes of AIDS as well since they cause the symptoms that define the syndrome. To an extent the government has done this to allow more AIDS diagnoses to push more drug sales. This is evidenced by the government later changing the definition of AIDS again to include repetitive “yeast” infections.

      Anyway, infections are not the only cause of a collapsed immune systems that lead to an AIDS diagnosis.

      The primary cause of AIDS in the U.S. in particular has always been the drug zidovudine (AZT) given to patients testing HIV+.

      One of the things that most people, including most doctors do not realize is that HIV+ means absolutely nothing. There is NO standard lab test that can confirm the presence of any particular virus. This includes antibody testing and polymerase chain reaction (PCR, “viral load”), neither of which prove the presence of any particular virus.

      The biggest problem with HIV antibody tests is the fact that they very often test false positive primarily due to serological cross reactivity. Instead of writing the whole reasoning for the inaccuracies of these tests again here are some posts I did in the past on the inadequacies of antibody testing and PCR. Some of this is in regards to hepatitis testing, which also relies on these highly inaccurate tests:

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1549308#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1549321#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1549328#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1549335#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1554778#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1553865#i

      If doctors bother to read the inserts provided by the drug companies for these antibody tests then they will see that even the drug companies admit to the inaccuracies of these antibody tests and the fact that they CANNOT prove the presence of any virus.

      Again, most of these false positives occur from serological cross reactivity, but there is another reason. Exposure without chronic infection will still lead to a positive test. A simple example of this is if you had the flu several months ago and were now over it you would be virus, but not antibody free. If they were to test you for influenza antibodies you would still test positive because your immune system successfully fought off the virus and generated antibodies that will hang around for a while despite the virus being gone. Since viruses such as HIV have been shown to be unable to infect healthy CD4 cells most people who are exposed to HIV will not become chronically infected with HIV, even though their exposure can still lead to their testing HIV+.

      The reason all that is important is because people testing HIV+, false or not, are assumed to be infected with HIV and therefore are frequently treated with highly toxic, immune suppressing drugs such as AZT and its analogues.

      Another common myth is that AZT was developed for AIDS. The fact is that AZT came out long before the appearance of AIDS. AZT was developed in 1962 as a chemotherapy drug. The drug was found to be so deadly though that it was initially banned for human use. When AIDS “appeared” the drug was brought back on to the market to recoup the lost pharmaceutical investments despite the fact they knew that AZT would kill a lot of people. In fact, the largest study ever done on AZT, the Concorde Study, found that AZT shortened the lives of people testing HIV+ instead of lengthening their lives.

      So how does AZT cause AIDS and kill people? Simple. AZT is HIGHLY TOXIC to the bone marrow. When AZT destroys the bone marrow it prevents the bone marrow from producing stem cells, which are the precursor cells for every single immune cell in the body. Therefore, AZT collapses the immune system, which HIV cannot do, leading to the opportunistic infections that lead to an AIDS diagnosis. In addition, the lack of stem cells also leads to a decline of CD4 cells, which under the new definition of AIDS also leads to an AIDS diagnosis.

      The destruction of the bone marrow is also the reason that AZT often leads to severe anemia requiring blood transfusions that are extremely dangerous for people with compromised immune systems.

      Bottom line here though is that there is no singular cause of AIDS and thus no single way to address it.

      There have been cases reported in medicine of people testing HIV+ and not becoming sick until they started on the AZT. When they went off the AZT on their own all their AIDS symptoms disappeared and the people tested HIV-. Instead of admitting that these people were never infected with HIV in the first place and that their AIDS was AZT induced the medical community simply refers to these cases as “spontaneous remissions”.

      Whether or not cannabis oil can do anything for AIDS still has to be seen. But I doubt if will do squat for AZT induced AIDS as the cannabis oil is not gong to regenerate bone marrow. High organic germanium sources such as suma or turkey tail mushrooms (Trametes versicolor) are excellent choices.

      For the opportunistic infections associated with AIDS my first choice would be ozone therapy. I have also seen several people go from their death bed to healthy with an AIDS diagnosis using herbs. In particular pau d’ arco (lapacho, taheebo, ipe roxo), which is especially effective against leukemia/lymphoma viruses. I generally combine it with highly antiviral chaparral, which increases the antiviral effects of pau d’ arco and the powerful antiviral herb andrographis. The herbs are best taken 3 times daily on an empty stomach.

  25. Chaya says

    If the body would draw calcium from the bones to balance a slightly acid condition in order to maintain its Ph, wouldn’t the foods we eat (alkaline) support a healthy ph or (acidic) cause the slight acidity that would trigger the use of calcium from our bones?

    It would seem obvious that there would be some connection here???

    • James says

      Hi Chaya,

      The claim circulating around the internet that the bones are a primary means of acid buffering is nothing but hype. Buffering by bone minerals is only done as a last resort in cases of extreme acidosis, which is extraordinarily rare.

      The body’s main means of pH regulation is respiration followed by the retention or excretion of hydrogen ions by the kidneys. These account for virtually all the pH regulation by the body. And even beyond these the body still has other minor means of pH regulation it will utilize before buffering with bone minerals.

      The main processes by which we lose bone are hyperparathyroidism and pseudohyperparathyroidism, which have NOTHING to do with acidity. Bone loss can also result for other reasons including a lack of orthosilicic acid and/or ascorbic acid, lack of exercise, some medications and cancer metastases to bone.

  26. Julia says

    I ate mostly alkaline (body ecology diet) before doing GAPS for gut healing and now a personal paleo approach. The only real noticeable difference is that when I was eating alkaline I had no bad breath or bad taste in my mouth when I woke up in the morning and it was great. I noticed that when I did have meat at night, I would get a sour taste in the morning. Once I switched to a non-alkaline diet, I always have a very sour taste in my mouth when I wake up. A few weeks ago I was sick for a day and had some bone broth, but didn’t eat after about 4 pm and had lots of water and tea w lemon and ginger. I woke up the next day with no taste in my mouth. So that’s the big difference.

  27. Lisa Yusko says

    I am suffering from Intersitial Cystitis. I have burning pain in the vaginal area and bloating and pain in the abdominal area. I was diaganosed years ago, but had never really experience any pain or major discomfort. I am thinking about an alkaline diet for the obvioius reason of reducing the acid, however, in reading all the posts, I am not sure if that will have any affect on my urine acidity and by reduces urine acidity, will that help my pain. Looking for advice..is it just a matter of increasing water?

    • MR PALEO says

      Lisa,

      Quoting Marcelle Pick, OB/GYN NP, Chemicals in urine: Urine itself can be an irritant in the urinary tract, mainly if tissues were previously damaged from other primary causes. Urine will change as the diet changes. Studies show that patients with IC have a molecule in their urine called antiproliferative factor (APF). APF inhibits the normal growth of bladder wall cells, making it problematic for your bladder to repair itself if scarred.

      Mast cell activation. Studies have shown that some of the contents found typically in our urine (like potassium, for example) can infiltrate the bladder lining in IC patients, leading to mast cell activation and the release of histamine — which can then result in further damage to the bladder lining and amplified inflammation. More than 70% of women with IC have highly activated mast cells. Again this is an example of the inflammatory system being on high alert.

      Previous bladder damage: A number of factors can damage the bladder, making it more susceptible to the interstitial cystitis. Some of which include:

      •A history of bladder trauma, especially including pelvic surgery
      •Spinal cord trauma
      •Pelvic floor muscle dysfunction
      •Bladder over distention
      •Inflammation of pelvic nerves
      •Autoimmune disorders
      •History of frequent bladder infections
      •Chronically Low estrogen

      There is some evidence that quercetin and melatonin may be beneficial for those who suffer from IC. Also, avoiding certain dietary triggers (coffee, diet sodas, acidic fruit juices, and tomatoes) may be of benefit. For what it is worth, I would consider having a hormone panel and follow an elimination diet, as well as diagnosing for potential candidiasis, which might exacerbate your symptoms…

    • Martha Ray Barger says

      Hi Lisa,
      d-mannose helped me with chronic IC please look into it.

      I might add that after dieting my whole life I dropped 50 lbs in 5 months eating vegetarian which was mostly, but not entirely, alkaline foods. I dropped another 20 lbs when I went Vegan for 2 months, after that I went back to vegetarian for a year and a half keeping my weight loss. I also got off gluten and nightshades because I noticed that I was not feeling well when I ate them. After that time I went Paleo I gained 15 lbs but feel good and have remained that same weight for about 4 years. I still eat a mostly plant based Paleo diet.

      For anyone who wants to lose weight eating mostly alkaline worked effortless for me and I found that giving up all meats and most dairy was a lot easier than limiting my intake of food. I was by the way a big meat eater before that but I learned that I loved veggies. Also note that I stopped all dairy except small amounts of butter and I walked my dog on short walks daily and worked out a very light routine 3 X a week during that whole time.

  28. Tom Jones says

    Good ol internet.. One day I’m reading how drinking baking soda mixed with honey can alkaline the body killing cancer. I’ve read case studies of people who claim to have been totally cured of cancer by this treatment. Doctors who have written papers, and books on this topic claiming how effective it is. And no sooner do I start finding hope here’s an article stating the contrary to all of this. Does anyone know anything anymore?! One person claims this will work while another debunks it saying no it doesn’t! You get to the point you don’t know what to believe anymore. For every report given on something claiming it works there’s always the reports given that it doesn’t. I just dont know who or what to believe anymore. Maybe we are just so different that somethings work for some ppl while it doesn’t help at for others. Who knows!

    • James says

      Anyone can make claims of cures as often happens on the internet. How often do you see actual evidence backing these claims though? Almost never.

      There are other problems with most of these claims as well. For example, most of these people supposedly cured have used multiple therapies, but they simply choose one therapy they believe worked for them. It is like the quackery cesium chloride, which not only does not work for cancer but has also been shown to cause and promote cancer. Most of the belief that cesium chloride works comes from an article written by a doctor promoting cesium chloride for cancer. If you read the paper though the people were given numerous therapies. Then they only focused on the successes while ignoring the failures. They claimed the successes were due to the cesium chloride and gave no credit to the other therapies.

      There is really no way to know what therapies these people really used including changes in diets or the use of herbs and supplements.

      For that matter we cannot even confirm most of the time if these people were ever sick to begin with or even existed in the first place. Many of the stories I have read are so far fetched that I am certain the people in the stories being told never existed in the first place. So much of this crap is just sales hype to push product sales.

      Then there is the problem of follow up. Just because someone has a REMISSION in their cancer this DOES NOT mean their cancer is gone. So where are the follow ups showing these people are still alive and disease free 5-10 years later.

      That is why I prefer to rely on research whenever possible. There is plenty of research showing the effectiveness of holistic therapies for cancer as an example. All people have to do is look.

      There is also plenty of research on the morphology of cancer cells. For example the fact that the internal pH of cancer cells is more alkaline than healthy cells.

      Using some common sense we should question things like how would ingesting baking soda and honey kill cancer cells when it is a proven fact that:

      -Cancer cells are already highly alkaline and need the high alkalinity to survive and thrive?

      -That not only does sugar, including honey, feeds cancer cells and metabolizes in to acids that these same people incorrectly claim causes cancer?

      -That the baking soda will be neutralized by the stomach acid as it is in ingested?

  29. PJ (RightNOW) says

    Different areas inside the body have different pH readings. Carey Reams (who invented hair analysis in forensics, the Brix scale in agriculture, and later was involved in nutritional biochemistry) (and mind you the current day interest in him is ‘mostly’ a cult of wingnuts, and he was very religious, but neither of these should dismiss his qualifications though they tend to be a bit offputting when looking into his stuff today) did a lot of work in this area.

    You can measure a couple areas of your own pH either with solution or more easily (though less precisely) with pH sticks, both urine and saliva. For most people they are different. This alone does indicate that the pH of the body is different in different areas.

  30. Jose Castro says

    Hi there Chris,

    Thanks for your article.
    I’m researching whether urine pH reflects whole body pH.

    My thoughts about it are that if urine pH is low, that’s because metabolic acids were excreted at a cellular level. So even if momentarily, whole body pH was elevated. Of course if you have a healthy diet and lifestyle that is it.

    But if you don’t? If you keep eating acidic-forming foods won’t your body pH be tending to be low, more or less constantly even if fluctuating? And won’t that be reflected in your urine pH?

    (And if your lymphatic circulation is deficient, won’t these metabolites accumulate?)

    What I read as claims is that food influences metabolites, and in keeping a certain diet that will be an influence in your body pH and consequently urine pH.

    Am I missing something?

  31. Aubrey G. Yates says

    Is it possible that the optimum diet would tend, on average, to a neutral PH effect? Not every single meal but on average? To state the question differently, is it possible that a diet which is persistently strongly acid (or strongly basic) will eventually cause a problem?

    • James says

      That may be the case if foods really altered pH. But they don’t, which is why there really is no such thing as a truly acidic or truly alkaline food.

      The body’s primary means of pH regulation is respiration followed by retaining or excreting hydrogen ions through the kidneys.

  32. Bill Murray says

    I had a 4 cm mole above my groin which my dermatologist was concerned about but wouldn’t touch. He would just re-measure it each year, and it was continuing to grow. I also had genital warts which he had tried several times to remove with liquid nitrogen, but they just kept coming back.

    I read about how alkaline systems were hard for certain viruses to grow in, so I measured my saliva pH and found it to be about 6.8. I started taking a calcium/magnesium supplement and over time my pH started increasing.

    When it got to about pH 7.4 I noticed that the mole was getting hard and scaly and over a very short period of time it just flaked off in small sections and has been gone ever since. Also the genital warts just disappeared and have never returned.

    My dermatologist just shook his head and said he had no answer for why everything disappeared. That was 8 years ago, and I continue to maintain my pH at 7.5.

    • James says

      If viruses had such a hard time growing in an alkaline environment then there would be a lot less disease since the blood is kept alkaline regardless of what you eat. Even taking calcium and magnesium will not really alter blood pH. Any slight change that may occur would simply be readjusted back to where the blood was originally since the blood must not go too alkaline or too acid.

      It should also be noted that some of the best natural antivirals are also acids. Betulinic acid, chlorogenic acid and acidic polyphenols to name a few.

      Also as has been pointed out a number of timed salivary pH DOES NOT reflect blood pH whatsoever. Neither does urinary pH. The only way to determine blood pH is with a blood test.

      As for warts and moles, which are both viral in origin, both of these are well known for disappearing on their own accord even without any treatment. That;s probably why your dermatologist did not write up this “amazing” case for the medical journals.

      By the way, if your blood pH was really at 7.5 then you would be in trouble since this is more alkaline than the normal pH of blood.

  33. Ray says

    I’m starting to change my diet to more ‘alkaline’ foods and cutting out refined and processed sugar (which I’ve read is nothing but a poison). Let’s see if it makes me feel better.

  34. Elliot Bowes says

    This article is about as useful as “Global Warming is a Myth” commentary and “911 was an inside job” posts. If eating alkaline food such as wheat grass, avocado, cucumber, spinach, radish, kale etc. is clearly better for you than (acid foods) coffee, hamburgers, ice cream, french fries, what is the takeaway? What is the benefit to mankind if we all believe you?

    “But for someone with functioning kidneys, there should be no concern that an acid-forming diet will harm health.” — That’s your contribution (to the american obesity epidemic)!? Encouraging people to know that “pure sugar isn’t an acid forming nutrient.” Great work promoting inflammation and cell death and acid. Go Acid! You must work for either McDonalds or ACS. $$$$$

  35. James says

    Anna Biller: “As for coffee enemas, they are often recommended even to adrenal burnout patients, as they temporarily correct the inverted sodium/ potassium ratio that many of these patients have.”

    The problem I have with this claim is that the sodium-potassium balance is maintained by the aldosterone released by the adrenals. Crashing the adrenals with caffeine will exacerbate the problem. It would be safer simply taking more sodium, which displaces potassium.

    • Anna says

      Interesting. Then you must think Dr. L. Wilson is totally misguided. In fact, are you the one criticizing Dr. Wilson on Curezone? Are you Hveragerthi? A couple of years back I tried researching coffee enemas and couldn’t find anything about a negative effect on the adrenals, so I am interested to read your opinions. It has always been mysterious to me that people who don’t tolerate coffee by mouth claim they can tolerate it by enema.

      • James says

        I have not really researched Dr. Wilson that I recall so I really have no opinion on him directly.

        But I do know that sodium-potassium balance is regulated by aldosterone released by the adrenals. Therefore, crashing the adrenals with coffee enemas does not make sense in cases of already existing adrenal dysfunction.

        Yes, I was posting under Hveragerthi on Curezone, primarily on my forum The Truth in Medicine. That was until I was banned from Curezone for posting evidence against some of the quackery being posted on Curezone forums. When I started posting on the dangers of the amount of iodine being recommended by the iodine sales people there I was banned. I found out after they helped start Curezone. And they can care less about safety. They are recommending 300+ MILLIgrams daily when the safe recommended limit is only 150 MICROgrams per day. When people have adverse reactions to the recommended dose they give them the BS story about having a bromine detox. See:

        http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2485

        Then they tell people to do a salt flush to flush out the bromine, which they are not really detoxing from. The salt flush actually pushes out the excess levels of iodine. But then they tell people to take even more iodine. So they are deliberately poisoning people for profit.

        I had a friend die just over a year ago from excess iodine, which threw him in to such a strong state of hypothyroidism that he was too weak to even swallow sips of water. So yes, I have very strong feelings about the quackery they are pushing, especially when the dose that killed my friend was near the dosing these quacks are pushing.

        Anyway, back to coffee enemas and the adrenals. Caffeine is caffeine whether you drink it, snort it, inject it or shove it up your rectum. The only difference between oral or rectal absorption is that rectal absorption is much faster and thus creates a stronger adverse response. If you look through my old Curezone site you will find people reporting on the adverse effects they had from the caffeine in coffee enemas overstimulating their adrenals.

        • Anna Biller says

          Hi James,

          I think you are the only person on the internet who has made statements about coffee enemas crashing the adrenals. As I said, I was searching for something about that a couple of years ago, because my doctor prescribed coffee enemas and I couldn’t tolerate them. I had to use no more than like a half a teaspoon of coffee, otherwise I felt poisoned. My adrenals had severely crashed already by the way. I also was unable to tolerate adrenal glandulars, as they made me hyper and nervous. But I couldn’t find anyone talking about this so I assumed maybe it was just me.
          But I know people who are doing daily coffee enemas and multiple adrenal glandulars daily.

          Do you think kelp capsules are a safe form of iodine, as long as they are mercury-safe?

          That is awful about your friend. I am so sorry.

  36. JOEL "JC" says

    Correction: In above comment I typed “acidic” instead of “alkaline” environment, It should read:
    Your statement that cancer creates its own acidic environment, though it may be true, also bears no weight in refuting a contention that a highly “alkaline” environment would stop cancer growth!

  37. JOEL "JC" says

    Despite your laudable attempts to be thorough, your arguments cannot be other than assumptive, at best! You, and we, lack so much actual data, facts, and general information that even trying to mount a logical argument for any hypothesis is absurd! It’s quite easy to find flaws, and you find many. But it isn’t valid argument! For example: your contention that cancer grows easily in a slightly alkaline environment has absolutely nothing to do with its ability to grow in a more alkaline environment! Your statement that cancer creates its own acidic environment, though it may be true, also bears no weight in refuting a contention that a highly acidic environment would stop cancer growth! Nor does your statement that our internal tissues never achieve highly alkaline conditions despite all efforts, make it true! One would need a biopsy or a test within the tissue, that you do not offer! The prostate is within the genito-urinary tract! Since PH tests are commonly done using urine to determine having achieved a high alkaline state; how can you state with any degree of certainty that creating a litmus reading of 8.5 or higher in ones urine cannot possibly affect the growth of prostate cancer, even when metastasized to the pelvis! You can’t! You don’t have all the knowledge necessary even to offer an opinion, that you have already done, saying that you doubt very much that a man’s prostate cancer has been cured with baking soda and mollasses, even after the fact that he is alive and well after five years on his protocol, that you so arrogantly state can’t be effective! It’s time you admitted your limitations, in both knowledge, and in ability to think logically! You must stop trying to prove your assertions with negative arguments that are logically invalid! In an aside to this topic, I appreciate the real knowledge that you do have, and have begun ingesting silica, along with calcium and boron, all from natural sources, in effort to reverse a diagnosed osteoporosis, and osteo-arthritis. After only three weeks, I have evidence from my own body that it is working. A calcium deposit that had grown over a bruise/irritation on my middle finger. palm side. has reduced and disappeared! The boron I take in borax powder diluted in water 1 tsp to 1 liter, taking three teaspoons of that water/day is also highly alkaline! Lack of boron makes the hypothalamus glands function improperly. Instead of regulating calcium in proper proportion in the bones, it makes calcium leech out of the bones and teeth to be deposited where it doesn’t naturally belong, Consuming proper amounts of born makes the glands operate normally producing normal metabolism of calcium. I also take magnesium supplement as part of the protocol, as well as other supplements, like MSM and glucosamine sulfate. But I’ve taken all of these except the boron as diluted borax powder, with no noticeable effect. Only when I began the borax in dilution did I have definite improvement, fast.

    Reference:
    http://loveforlife.com.au/content/13/06/27/borax-conspiracy-how-arthritis-cure-has-been-stopped-walter-last

    I will have better proof that my osteoporosis is reversing when I take x-rays of my spine in the future. Current x-rays show osteoporosis and spondylosis (a term referring to degenerative osteoarthritis of the joints between the center of the spinal vertebrae and/or neural foramina). I try not to assume, but I will be quite surprised if my bones do not show definite improvement from current x-rays. I have sciatica, that I believe is a result of my osteoporosis and osteoarthritis, that made injury unavoidable. It has greatly improved to the point where, instead of having to walk like an ape to be pain free, I am now upright and playing tennis again. To be fair, I have been doing yoga stretching designed to improve sciatic pain. However, I think you will agree that, if I do reverse my osteoporosis and arthritis, using boron, magnesium, and silica (from brown rice, cucumber, and two beers a day). I’ve never been a beer drinker but I learned of the silica concentration from the hops in beer from you. Thank you.

    In sum regarding acid-alkalinity, I think you must agree that too little is actually known to draw any definitive conclusions one way or the other. Remember butter v margarine any time you think you know anything! Remember also the credo of Albert Einstein; “I don’t know!” This philosophy is what made him the great thinker he was! He also had a much larger brain than most of us! My philosophy has always been to keep an open mind, and to learn from the great ones. Jimi Hendrix and Carlos Santana were my guitar teachers. I listened and copied until I could play both their styles, and only then did I create my original style. Unfortunately, regarding human nutrition and disease, there is very little greatness extant! We continue to suffer! I blame my osteoporosis on the fact that I stopped drinking milk 45 years ago, I have thin bones, and that green leaves and broccoli just can’t do the job unless you live on it and have four stomachs! I also never had enough boron in my diet, that I believe is the case with all osteoporosis and arthritis sufferers, the cause of the osteoporosis epidemic. Thank you very much for listening! Sorry for being so frank!

    • James says

      Joel “JC”: “your contention that cancer grows easily in a slightly alkaline environment has absolutely nothing to do with its ability to grow in a more alkaline environment!”

      Cancer can grow fine in an alkaline pH up to a point. The amount of alkalinity needed to kill cancer cells though would also be lethal to healthy cells.

      Joel “JC”: “Your statement that cancer creates its own acidic environment, though it may be true, also bears no weight in refuting a contention that a highly acidic environment would stop cancer growth! ”

      Studies have shown over and over that if cancer cells become internally acidic they will die. Cancer cells require an internally alkaline pH more alkaline than healthy cells to survive and thrive. This is why cancer cells export acidic hydrogen ions in to the external matrix to maintain their highly alkaline internal pH. If the ability of hydrogen ion export is blocked the cancer cells become acidic and die.

      Joel “JC”: “Nor does your statement that our internal tissues never achieve highly alkaline conditions despite all efforts, make it true! ”

      It does not make it false either. But all it takes is a little simple research to find out the body maintains a tight regulation on its pH because excess alkalinity or excess acidity will both result in death. And in order for the tissues to be highly alkaline the blood would also have to be highly alkaline, which would lead to decreased oxygen to tissues and possibly death.

      Joel “JC”: “One would need a biopsy or a test within the tissue, that you do not offer!”

      You can find the studies showing that the internal pH of cancer cells are more alkaline than healthy cells with a little simple research on PubMed. Just because you never looked for the evidence does not mean it does not exist.

      Joel “JC”: “Since PH tests are commonly done using urine to determine having achieved a high alkaline state; how can you state with any degree of certainty that creating a litmus reading of 8.5 or higher in ones urine cannot possibly affect the growth of prostate cancer, even when metastasized to the pelvis! ”

      As pointed out so many times urinary PH DOES NOT reflect blood pH so your attempted argument is irrelevant. And urine DOES NOT affect the pH of the prostate. So again your attempted argument is irrelevant.

      Joel “JC”: “You don’t have all the knowledge necessary even to offer an opinion, that you have already done, saying that you doubt very much that a man’s prostate cancer has been cured with baking soda and mollasses, even after the fact that he is alive and well after five years on his protocol, that you so arrogantly state can’t be effective!”

      How do you know for sure that this is the ONLY treatment he did? You DON’T!!! How do you know for sure he is had cancer to begin with or that he is cancer free today? You DON’T. In short you are ASSUMING a lot just because you saw something on YouTube that you chose to believe without any solid evidence. If you saw the Tooth Fairy on YouTube as well are you going to claim the Tooth Fairy is real as well just because you thought you saw evidence on YouTube?

      Joel “JC”: “The boron I take in borax powder diluted in water 1 tsp to 1 liter, taking three teaspoons of that water/day is also highly alkaline!”

      First of all I already went over boron with you pointing out that it is only ONE of many nutrients required for healthy bone. Just like water is essential for health but we cannot function or survive on water alone. And again, it is silica, not boron that puts minerals where they belong.

      As for the pH of borax, so what? Borax (sodium borate) does have a pH of 9.3, but boric acid with a pH of 5 has the same function. The pH is irrelevant.

      Joel “JC”: “I will have better proof that my osteoporosis is reversing when I take x-rays of my spine in the future.”

      And again, osteoporosis is not the result of bone demineralization, it is a loss of collagen matrix. It is silica and vitamin C primarily that help reverse osteoporosis. Boron will not reverse the condition since boron has no effect on collagen formation.

      Joel “JC”: “I blame my osteoporosis on the fact that I stopped drinking milk 45 years ago”

      Milk does not build bone, it is one of the leading causes of bone loss. This is why the highest milk consuming countries in the world also happen to have the highest rate of osteopenia in the world. The protein in milk blocks calcium absorption. This is why inactive vitamin D2 is added to milk in a poor attempt to counter the calcium blocking effects of milk protein. Phosphorus absorption is not inhibited though leading to bone mineral loss though pseudohyperparathyroidism.

      • JOEL "JC" says

        http://jn.nutrition.org/content/129/1/9.full

        According to this article high dietary intake of calcium from all sources provides adequate calcium in the diet. Absorption is down regulated with hi intake, as need is diminished. The bottom line is that hi calcium diets provide adequate calcium. Low calcium diets may not, or don’t! It also states that fiber slows down the digestion of calcium compared to non fiber sources such as milk! So, this article supports my contention that my osteoporosis could be due to eliminating milk from my diet for 45 years!

        In addition, regarding boron’s function in regulating calcium/magnesium metabolism via enabling proper functioning of the parathyroid glands, I have this personal anecdotal account for your consideration. I have had at least adequate silica in my diet for the last 45 years due to a diet containing brown rice, whole wheat, barley and other whole grains, along with lots of cucumber in almost daily salad ingestion, and occasional beer. Yet, I developed osteoporosis diagnosed at age 70. I also developed arthritis, as seen in an x-ray of my spine. Recently I grew a hard boney deposit on the palm side of my right middle finger. It was sore, irritated, and hurt when I held a tennis racquet. I assumed it to be a calcium deposit that grew to protect a bruise gotten from my tennis racquet. OK, no technical “scientific” proof. Then again, scientists don’t believe in out of body experiences because they cannot “observe” them! However, when have you had any knowledge of any hard bony growth on bone, reducing and disappearing, as mine has done, in only three weeks of taking boron in a water dilution! This personal experience of mine, supports the description of Walter Last of how boron is responsible for calcium being removed from arthritic deposits and put back into the bones. The thing that bothers me about you, is not your obvious knowledge. It is your lack of consciousness about how much knowledge remains that you don’t know, that no one knows, much of which holds the potential to negate what you now think you know! And, by the way, any good scientist would not negate anecdotal evidence. In fact, it has always been the instigation of thought about what it means, and investigation. Gee, why did that apple fall from the tree?
        And who knows, maybe it’s the molasses with its high mineral content that cured prostate cancer in Johnston! But to call him a liar (even by omission) is beneath you, and not for anyone to do! And to call me gullible or a fool for not being cynical about his account, is also uncalled for, besides being invalid argument! “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy,” to quote the bard. To not recognize this truth makes you and all others who profess to have “the truth,” arrogant!

        Article on borax/boron!
        http://loveforlife.com.au/content/13/06/27/borax-conspiracy-how-arthritis-cure-has-been-stopped-walter-last

        Since I began taking boron, pain in various parts of my body has lessened or ended, my sexuality has increased, and now I have a feeling of general well being, instead of being fatigued with pain! Two months ago I couldn’t walk. Now I play tennis again!

        • James says

          JOEL (JC): “It also states that fiber slows down the digestion of calcium compared to non fiber sources such as milk! ”

          Of course fiber is going to slow down “digestion” of calcium. Fiber slows gastric emptying.

          On the other hand fiber increases calcium absorption through the acids formed by the fermentation of the fibers by the flora.

          But as far as milk goes, it is a well known fact that high protein blocks calcium absorption. Again, this is why vitamin D is added to mil in an attempt to counter the calcium absorption blocking effect of milk’s protein.

          JOEL (JC): “So, this article supports my contention that my osteoporosis could be due to eliminating milk from my diet for 45 years! ”

          And once again, osteoporosis IS NOT from a loss of calcium or any other mineral from bone, it is from a loss of collagen matrix. A loss of bone minerals leads to osteomalacia or osteopenia. Therefore, drinking milk or avoiding milk either way DOES NOT cause osteoporosis. The loss of calcium from bone due to milk induced pseudohyperparathyroidism will result in osteopenia.or osteomalacia, which ARE NOT the same as osteoporosis.

          JOEL (JC): “I have had at least adequate silica in my diet for the last 45 years due to a diet containing brown rice, whole wheat, barley and other whole grains, along with lots of cucumber in almost daily salad ingestion, and occasional beer. Yet, I developed osteoporosis diagnosed at age 70. ”

          First of all simply taking silica does not mean you are absorbing the silica. Silica is poorly absorbed to begin with. As we age our stomach acid levels decline leading to even more impaired silica absorption. If people are taking anything that neutralizes or inhibits stomach acid such as antacids, acid blockers, alkaline waters, calcium carbonate (coral, dolomite, oyster shell) or magnesium oxide/hydroxide such as found in many supplements or Milk of Magnesia then silica absorption is impaired even further. Many of the things we associate with aging such as wrinkles, heart disease, aneurysms, emphysema, osteoporosis, etc. can be linked in large part to the decline in silica levels as we age.

          The second thing that you need to keep in mind is that silica is one of two primary nutrients needed to maintain proper collagen levels in bone to prevent osteoporosis. Vitamin C is the other, which can be deficient for several reasons. Stress (including pain) that taxes the adrenals requiring higher vitamin C levels for the adrenals, which get priority over the rest of the body. Collagen is low on the list of tissues that get priority of available vitamin C. Some other factors that can decrease available vitamin C include use of certain medications such as aspirin, smoking, steroids, caffeine use, etc.

          JOEL (JC): “However, when have you had any knowledge of any hard bony growth on bone, reducing and disappearing, as mine has done, in only three weeks of taking boron in a water dilution! This personal experience of mine, supports the description of Walter Last of how boron is responsible for calcium being removed from arthritic deposits and put back into the bones. ”

          For some reason you seem to keep wanting to argue like I don’t believe boron has any benefits despite the fact that I made it clear that boron is ONE of the MANY essential nutrients for healthy bones. All I disagreed with is the claim that boron is responsible for the mineralization of bone, which simply IS NOT true. Already explained why to you.

          From the research I have seen it does make sense that boron can dissolve a bone spur since one of its effects is to increase parathyroid activity, which leads to de-calcification of bones. Keep in mind that parathyroid hormone does not just target bone spurs, which are simply an overgrowth of bone due to the excess stimulation of bone’s piezoelectric effect at one point on the bone. But there is so much more involved in bone growth including boron’s effect on the sex hormones and the piezoelectric role of silica in the collagen matrix that is what actually leads to bone mineralization. Basically you keep seeing only the tree (boron) instead the forest ( all the amino acids, minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, hormones and acids that are all required to form healthy bone).

          JOEL (JC): “It is your lack of consciousness about how much knowledge remains that you don’t know, that no one knows, much of which holds the potential to negate what you now think you know! ”

          I really hate when people keep trying to change the subject and make this about me instead of sticking to the topic of the alkaline myth. When people attack the messenger they do this for one simple reason. They lack any evidence to back their claim so the only thing they have left to do is to attack the messenger in an attempt to discredit them.

          Do I know everything? NO. Nobody does. Do I know a whole lot more about medicine and how the body works than you do? Definitely. I have spent the largest portion of my life doing research, more research and research on top of that to understand how the body really works so I have a better idea on how to deal with people’s health conditions.

          For instance, I knew the effect boron had on the hormones thus affecting bone health. I also knew that boron can increase parathyroid activity, which is how it can also lead to bone demineralization such as your bone spur. I have also known for decades why silica is responsible for bone mineralization and why boron DOES NOT correct osteoporosis since osteoporosis is not a loss of calcium from bone.

          JOEL (JC): “And, by the way, any good scientist would not negate anecdotal evidence.”

          Never said I did. You are assuming a lot again. But a good scientist is also aware that a single unverifiable claim is not evidence either. A good scientist is also aware that one of the reasons for limited anecdotal reports reporting the same finding is that people often make multiple changes and simply give credit to whatever they chose to believe is what made the difference whether or not that is what really did make the difference. This is why anecdotal evidence needs to be followed up with controlled trials.

          Let me give you an example of how all this is done. Let’s say the drug companies want to find a new plant to cure _______. Do they just start testing whatever plant they can access? Generally no since that would require too much time and cost. Instead they will do something like got to South America and talk to the indigenous shamen to find out what plants are used for whatever condition. But this is still considered anecdotal evidence. So they take the plant and start doing controlled testing on lab animals and then finally on humans so they can prevent secondary things from possibly affecting the outcome. So yes, anecdotal can be part of the scientific process, but it needs backing by more than a claim from a single individual. Any good scientist would be a complete moron to do that.

          JOEL (JC): “And who knows, maybe it’s the molasses with its high mineral content that cured prostate cancer in Johnston! But to call him a liar (even by omission) is beneath you, and not for anyone to do!”

          Again you assume a lot!!! I never called Johnston a liar. I made it clear that we, which includes you, have no idea what his real history is. Have you seen his medical records and can confirm he had cancer, is cancer free and did not do anything other than the molasses and baking soda to cure the cancer? And do people sometimes make up bogus claims or videos to dupe people or to promote something? Of course they do. And as a good scientist I know that just because I saw something on the internet this does not mean it is real. I once saw a horse on YouTube with only two legs running. I did not assume it was true and was not amazed since it was obviously fake. Again, not everything you see on the internet is real. Is the Johnston video and claims real? I don’t know, but neither do you. If real, do you have proof Johnston is still alive and cancer free? And again, one anecdotal claim is not evidence of anything. So where are all the other people claiming to have cured their cancer this way and did they do anything else to treat their cancer? Please supply the evidence to any of this if true.

          JOEL (JC): “And to call me gullible or a fool for not being cynical about his account, is also uncalled for, besides being invalid argument!”

          Again, I did not do this. You are getting ridiculous. All I did was to point out that you were ASSUMING a lot just like you did in your last post. Again, just because you see something on the internet this does not mean it is real. Not a hard concept to grasp. So where is your proof that Johnston had cancer and cured his cancer WITHOUT any other treatment except the molasses and baking soda?

          And again, stop trying to make this about me. Argue your claims, not me. If you want to claim Johnston cured his cancer without anything other than molasses and baking soda then provide the proof to your claim and stop trying to hide your lack of evidence by making your arguments about me instead. All that does as I said before is proves that you don’t have the evidence to begin with so all you can do is to attack the messenger to discredit the messenger. But all this really does is discredit you.

          • JOEL "JC" says

            Before I reply to your extensive comments, for which I thank you for your time, would you please be so kind as to state your formal education; list your degrees, from which universities, and your areas of concentration. Thanks.

            • James says

              Joel,

              If you don’t understand the simple concept that I keep pointing out to you that the topic is not me, it is the alkaline myth, then you clearly won’t understand my background.

              If you have on topic evidence to the contrary then present it and I will address it. My background has NOTHING to do with stopping you from posting evidence if you have it. When people start asking for backgrounds off topic they are doing it for the same reason they attacked the messenger in the first place. They have no evidence to contradict the facts so all they can do is look for ways to try and discredit the messenger. Therefore, the more you play your off topic games the more you keep discrediting yourself.

              • JOEL "JC" says

                FIRST, YOU ARE NOT “ONLY” THE MESSENGER. YOU ARE THE SOURCE! SO IT IS ABOUT YOU!
                2ND! YOU ARE A REPOSITORY OF NAKED FACTS, BUT YOUR MIND IS INCAPABLE OF LOGICAL THOUGHT! You can’t synthesize the facts into knew knowledge! What you think is not equivalent to what is true! You are incapable of simple logic! The fact that protein blocks calcium absorption, doesn’t mean it blocks ALL calcium absorption from milk! I’m done! Anyone who believes what you say to be gospel truth is to sympathized with!
                When you even mention believing in the tooth fairy or the like, you do insult, You’re too stupid to even realize what you say!
                AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST: YOU obviously have NO CREDENTIALS!
                I’M DONE WITH YOU. I HAVE NO MORE TIME FOR YOUR BULLSHIT! Byebye!

                • James says

                  Joel “JC”: “FIRST, YOU ARE NOT “ONLY” THE MESSENGER. YOU ARE THE SOURCE! SO IT IS ABOUT YOU!”

                  Glad to see you got through your temper tantrum OK.

                  Now once again the topic is not about me, it is about the alkaline myth. And the facts I have presented can be verified with a little simple research from anatomy and physiology books or medical journal articles. So I am the messenger as I said before and not the source as you falsely claim.

                  But it looks like you have no evidence to contradict anything I have pointed out which is why you keep going with the personal attacks. So there is no reason to address the rest of your childish tirade since again it has nothing to do with the topic and does not present any evidence to the facts I already presented.

                  So go ahead and keep believing in your falsehoods if that is your security blanket. I just hope you don’t really screw up your health following your own advice.

                  Take care.

  38. MR PALEO says

    Kelly,

    If you take the time to read both parts of the article, and the thread which follows, we have answered this question numerous times… there is no such thing as “acid/alkaline” balance in the “body”, per se.

    Sunny,

    As I have said before, it is because of what they ELIMINATED, and possibly what they added, NOT the fact it may have been a “plant-based” diet.

  39. Sunny says

    How do you explain those cases that the person got cured of cancer ,autoimmune diseases by switching to plant based diet???

    • James says

      Sunny: “How do you explain those cases that the person got cured of cancer ,autoimmune diseases by switching to plant based diet???”

      The answer to this is simple, and has NOTHING to do with pH. A plant based diet provides more nutrients. Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) and pantothenic acid (B5) for example needed to build the adrenals to address autoimmune conditions.

      Many autoimmune disorders and most cancers are also triggered by viral infections. Plants can also provide antivirals as well such as the polyphenol tannic acid, chlorogenic acid, etc.

      Oxalic acid and phytic acid from plants can bind free iron, which cancer cells and many pathogens thrive on.

      Proper cellular function also requires citric acid and malic acid that can be found in various plants.

      Then there is the magnesium found in plants, primarily in chlorophyll, which is needed for over 300 different functions in the body.

      Again, eating a particular food DOES NOT adjust the blood’s pH to any significant amount. The body maintains a tight control on its pH primarily through respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention or elimination through the kidneys. Any minor shift in blood pH will simply be adjusted by the above means to maintain the narrow pH range the body must remain in.

      This is one of the reasons that ingesting baking soda or alkaline water is not a good idea. First of all these will neutralize the stomach acid, which can lead to whole host of health problems. And if you ingest enough to overwhelm the stomach acid completely, which is required to have any effect on blood pH, the induced alkalosis will simply be met with an increase in blood acid to buffer the alkalosis. All this achieves is putting more stress on the body as it has to work harder to deal with the induced alkalosis, which is much more dangerous than acidosis.

  40. says

    I hear Tony Robbins saying acid is bad for you and he is selling supplements to get more alkaline in your system…is the wrong?

    This is why I have a difficult time following anyone’s advise…one person says one thing, someone says another and I never find out what is best for me.

    Kelly

    • James says

      “I hear Tony Robbins saying acid is bad for you and he is selling supplements to get more alkaline in your system…is the wrong?”

      Was he specific about what acid was supposedly bad for the body and how it is bad? Did he back any of these claims with any real evidence?

      The body is built primarily from acids, needs acids to function and stay healthy, to detoxify, for cellular energy production, etc. So how are any of these bad?

      For example, most of the body is made up of amino acids and fatty acids.

      Many of the vitamins essential to the body are acids.

      Stomach acid is required for proper digestion of proteins, nutrient absorption and to kill pathogens.

      Glucuronic acid is needed by the body for detoxification.

      Malic, citric and pyruvic acids are needed for cellular energy production.

      Bile acids are involved in fat absorption and prevention of gallstones.

      Acids formed from the fermentation of fibers by beneficial bacteria that inhabit the body kills pathogens, increase nutrient absorption, regulate peristalsis and controls Candida.

      Carbonic acid is needed to maintain proper circulation, to allow oxygenation of tissues, to form stomach acid and to neutralize highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia in the body.

      Uric acid is one of the body’s primary antioxidants.

      Citric acid is required for proper bone remodeling to keep bone healthy.

      Acids formed from bacteria on the skin keep the skin healthy.

      Acids help prevent “yeast infections”.

      Acids help to control pathogens that can cause sinus infections.

      Malic acid dissolves excess uric acid and can help prevent calcium based kidney stones that can result from excessively alkaline urine.

      So how are any of these “bad” as Tony Robbins claims?

      How many of the supplements Tony Robbins promotes contain acids such as ascorbic acid, pantothenic acid, folic acid, etc? And what about all the acids in his Citrus Harvest product? If he thinks acids are so bad then he needs to be warning people to avoid his products!!!

  41. PHunter says

    I hate to throw another wrinkle in the complexities of acid vs alkaline, but I went to a holistic blood doctor, just to see what he saw in my blood. He was pretty much on point about what my diet was. Now he believes in eating for your blood type. Most hunter-gatherers are O type and O types are suppose to have a high level of acidity in the digestive system and needs to exercise vigorously to stay even keel. O types, according to him, should eat meat once a day and grains once a day, gluten free of course and the rest fruits and veggies. That being said could the blood type also be a factor in how you handle alkaline vs Acid foods. I mean non processed, no gmo Acid and Alkaline foods. Just a thought

    • JC says

      THANKS Sunflower and PHunter for you considered and informational replies. Being open minded is key to intelligence!
      PHUNTER: I’m blood type A. Do you have any information about preferred eating for my blood type? I hope you do. Or maybe you can refer me to a website on the topic.I live in the Philippines, where services that are available to you, do not exist!

      • Sunflower says

        If we use common sense then eating according to your blood type becomes rather irrational. How long has it been that we are able to identify what blood type we are….sometimes it may well be a good idea to look at the animal kingdom and observe what they do…they seem to know very well what to eat and what not to eat….and they would not have a clue as to their blood type. Eating fresh food as nature intended, mix it up as in a rotation diet and learn how to listen to your body which will always tell you what is right and what is not….I am an advocate for an alkaline lifestyle and diet with the occasional protein like fish or eggs. I have not eaten any other meat for 33 years. The paleo diet is in my opinion totally out-dated and not suitable for people across the board. Intuitive eating can be learnt…all it takes is listen to your body and observe the function of your four channels of elimination. This is an opinion and it is not claimed to be a fact or applicable to all. All research these days needs to be looked upon with a healthy scepticism….look at the attached article:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16060722

    • James says

      I don’t believe in the eat for your blood type diet at all. The diet totally ignores metabolic differences in people, which is a major mistake to begin with.

      Let’s say hypothetically that the diet says people with type A blood can eat chocolate. So we take 4 people with type A blood. One is perfectly healthy, one is diabetic, one has candidiasis and one has allergies to cocoa. Is the chocolate still good for all these people just because they have type A blood? Of course not. The diet is ludicrous.

  42. JC says

    Albert Einstein is arguably the single most brilliant human to ever have walked the earth! Of course, we don’t know anything about the millions of folks who walked the earth in prehistory, except that one of these folks invented the wheel! That fact notwithstanding, Einstein said, “The only thing I really know, is that I don’t know!” “I don’t know!” was his credo, the single philosophy that kept him open-minded to all the possibilities that exist, on any and every subject, and that was responsible for his ability to see things no one else did or could! Given “I don’t know!” as an accepted precursor only to currently accepted knowledge. how does the stance, “I know!” stand up as indicative of factual knowledge? It seems to me that the vastness of what we don’t know makes those things that anyone thinks he or she knows, pale by comparison, and essentially dissolve into foolishness! For Example: Margarine is healthier than butter! Wheat causes brain damage and hundreds of other illnesses! Veganism is healthier than being a carnivore! Meat is the way to go! Primal man lived longer than modern man! Alkalinity is healthy! The Acid-Alkaline myth!
    Everything you think you know is up for grabs as fact! The best you can do is mere guess work! AND, IN CONCLUSION: Any and all arguments protesting your
    (I use a universal “you”) “ability to know” just digs you deeper and deeper into a pit of ego driven ignorance! Does anyone care/dare to reply? :)

    • sunflower says

      Thank you JC….it is all about ones ability to respect an opinion….regardless of right or wrong….we need to share these opinions w/o claiming them to be the truth as this sharing is stimulating discussion and allows us to keep doors open for new info. Knowledge is something we collect along the way only to be revised when the willingness is there to be flexible and open. What is true to me may not be true to you…it all depends on what we have experienced.

    • says

      I hear you…that’s how I experience things. There are those who claim to “know” and they have the “truth” and they sell products to make money selling their truth. Typically these folks already have enough money….if it is so “true” why are they not giving these things away free?

      I am one who clearly doesn’t know and I’m always looking for more information…which typically leads me down other paths I don’t know about. I just stay open and listen to my body and work towards learning more. Somewhere in all of this…there must be something of value for each of us or we wouldn’t be discussing it.

  43. chris says

    About the acid/alkaline diet, can you address the claim that combining, for eg, meat and pasta or potatoes, requires different types of enzymes at the same time, that this type of enzyme production is hard on the body, and therefore, is best avoided? It seems reasonable enough on the surface.

    • James says

      In my opinion the concept is pretty ridiculous.

      The enzymes are already produced and are just being released.

      And these enzymes are already designed to work in harmony for a very simple reason. Single foods can contain multiple compounds that will require multiple enzymes to break down.

      Plants for example can contain proteins that require one set of enzymes, starches requiring different enzymes, other saccharides requiring yet other enzymes, fats requiring still other enzymes……….

      So why would eating a plant be any different than eating a plant with let’s say meat?

      • chris says

        Thank you, James. I did not know the enzymes were already there, and your interpretation makes sense to me. I will stop wondering about this. Having tried to avoid the “bad” combinations in the past, I can tell you it drives you nuts and takes all the pleasure away in eating. I generally try to avoid animal food, but only for ethical reasons.

    • James says

      The “blue zones” definitely have NOTHING to do with alkalizing. If you look at the diets in these areas you will notice that they consume a lot of foods and drinks that according to the acid-alkaline sites are “acid forming”. Again, there is no such thing, but the point is simply that pH is not playing a role.

      People in these areas are more active, don’t smoke as much as other areas of the world, have less pollution, etc. There are going to be a number of factors. One of the most important being that they also lead more stress-free lifestyles. Stress will kill you a lot faster than poor diet.

  44. JC says

    No reply to my last post. Is it a problem?
    Boron is the element most responsible for calcium being deposited where it is supposed to be, the teeth and bones; not silica! Boron is deficient in the western diet because the soil our food is grown in is severely deficient in it. Lack of it is responsible for osteoporosis/arthritis. Read this: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/13/06/27/borax-conspiracy-how-arthritis-cure-has-been-stopped-walter-last

    I am constantly amazed at how otherwise intelligent folks can learn one thing, then think it is the be-all and end-all of knowledge; always neglecting to realize the obvious fact that the history of human knowledge is basically one of past fact becoming false as new fact takes its place, over and over again!
    We should all remember how bad butter became, to be replaced by the horrors of hydrogenated fat in margarine! Now we’re being told that wheat kills brain cells. Well, tell it Einstein, Newton, and all the great scientists of western history, all of whom ate wheat and grains! don’t you think that, just possibly, not everything pertinent is known by the pundits of extant “knowledge?” A little humility please; and this includes not only you, James, but also myself, and my current post!

    • James says

      JC: “Boron is the element most responsible for calcium being deposited where it is supposed to be, the teeth and bones; not silica!”

      Actually it is silica, not boron.

      Boron is great stuff. I have used it in my formulas for a long time. It does aid in the absorption of calcium and helps with hormones. But it is only ONE of numerous nutrients needed for healthy bones and joints.

      And again, silica is more important for several reasons. First of all osteoporosis is not a lack of bone minerals, it is a lack of bone collagen. Collagen is composed of proline, hydroxyproline, lysine, hydroxylysine, glycine, vitamin C and SILICA. Copper and zinc are catalysts for the formation of collagen. Boron is not a part of collagen, but rather with other minerals deposits in the collagen matrix. And yet more is still needed to build bone:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2872

      The deposition of minerals in to the collagen matrix is the result of silica, not boron. Silica is a piezoelectric material, which means that when pressure or electricity is applied the silica generates electricity. It is this electricity generated by the silica that electrodeposits the minerals from the blood in to the collagen matrix.

      This is why exercise is needed to increase bone density. Simply taking minerals like boron, strontium calcium, magnesium, manganese, etc. will not create strong bones. When we exercise the pressure on the collagen matrix compresses the silica creating the electricity, through the piezoelectric effect, that puts the minerals, including boron, in to the collagen matrix.

      This is also the same principle by which minute electrical currents have been applied to fractures to accelerate the healing of the fractures. The application of minute electrical currents creates the piezoelectric effect in the silica thereby stimulating increased bone growth.

      Also the same reason astronauts lose bone density in space despite taking nutrients. Again, the collagen matrix must be compressed, which is difficult to do in zero gravity, to stimulate the piezoelectric effect of silica for bone mineralization.

      Silica is not only essential for bone formation, but also cartilage formation. I am sure most of us have heard of glucosamine and chondroitin by now for joint health. Chondroitin is pretty much worthless as a supplement because it is so poorly absorbed due to its large size. What makes it so large? Because chondroitin is formed by the linking of multiple glucosamine molecules together with silica in long chains: glucosamine-silica-glucosamine-silica-glucosamine-silica-glucosamine-silica-glucosamine-silica-glucosamine-silica…………..

      Here are a few articles I have written on silica:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3463

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2570

      http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Silica_Diatomaceous%20Earth%20vs%20Horsetail%20Grass.htm

      And a Medline study on silica:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3575

      And silica references:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3461

        • James says

          Hi Martin,

          It’s not just a matter of getting silica in the diet. You still have to absorb it, and silica is poorly absorbed. Low stomach acid further decreases absorption. This is another reason I don’t like things that neutralize stomach acid including antacids, acid blockers, alkaline waters and supplements with calcium carbonate (oyster shell, dolomite, coral) and magnesium oxide.

          Silica does not absorb as silica (silicon dioxide), but rather as orthosilicic acid (OA). OA will form from the reaction of water on silica, which dissolves traces of silica forming OA. The presence of stomach acid or dietary acids enhances the conversion of silica in to OA.

          Silica primarily comes from insoluble fibers. I prefer oat or rice brans.

          I found the best way though to get silica is by adding food grade diatomaceous earth (DE) to water. DE is 80% silica, 10% metal oxides and 10% moisture. I add a spoon full of the DE to a gallon of water and let it settle out. This may take a few days initially. Once it is settled out I drink the water part way down then fill the container again with water leaving the DE in the container. I just keep repeating this. Each time more water is added a little more of the DE will be dissolved keeping the water partially saturated with OA. That spoon full will literally last several years if done right, but I usually change out the DE every 6 months.

          The advantage of doing it this way is if a person takes a silica supplement they may only take it 1 to3 times daily, and again you will only absorb traces with each dose. But you take a drink of water numerous times a day and will absorb a trace of the silica with each drink. Therefore, you end up absorbing significantly more silica this way.

          You can even fill water bottles from the DE water to take with you during the day if you work.

          One of the signs that you are absorbing the silica properly is that your nails will lose their flexibility and become very hard.

  45. Mary Jane says

    This is interesting. I’m not quite sure I’m convinced, but it does open me up to the idea that alkaline vs. acid might might just be a myth.

  46. JC says

    I find your mention of Eskimos in support of your philosophy has a flaw! As an anthropology major, I was taught that historically, the average life span of eskimos was 35 to 40 years. The Masai men expect to live only 43 years today. Of course, disease and other factors of a more primitive difficult life and poor medicine play a role. Still, using these peoples as support for high fat, high cholesterol diets seems unwarranted. Please respond.

  47. JC says

    In your treatise on Alkalinity vs Acidity I couldn’t help notice that, in effort yo be honest and thorough, you repeatedly found yourself mentioning studies that supported the health benefits of alkalinity and/or the ill health associated with acidosis. Then you found ways to discount those studies, of necessity, to support your stance regarding the Paleo diet. My makor was anthropology, so I appreciate the philosophy of Paleo. However, I also find validity in veggie diets, and notice greater health among them than among non-vegetarians. I find you to be highly intelligent and logical. Just be wary that your logic may be affected by your Paleo philosophy. Finally, after doing my own research, I am not convinced that any diet extant today is the final answer regarding health. Sisson’s Primal exercise and diet philosophy, so close to Paleo, is very attractive. So is Paleo. But I think it would be difficult for a person who has had a heart attack, to fully subscribe to loading up on cholesterol laden fat or food substances! In conclusion I ask you this: What is your opinion about Vernon Johnston’s recovery from Stage IV, inoperable prostate cancer, metastasized to his pelvic bones, by drinking baking soda and molasses in water, that raised his PH litmus test to 8.5, in only a few weeks. It’s been over five years now, and he’s going strong!

    • James says

      JC: “What is your opinion about Vernon Johnston’s recovery from Stage IV, inoperable prostate cancer, metastasized to his pelvic bones, by drinking baking soda and molasses in water, that raised his PH litmus test to 8.5, in only a few weeks. It’s been over five years now, and he’s going strong!”

      Here is a response I did elsewhere concerning the claims about Vernon Johnston:

      “Nowhere have I found evidence that his cancer is gone. Even if it is gone we still do not know what got rid of it. Ingesting baking soda has NEVER been shown to be effective against cancer as where dietary acids from plants have been shown to help. So people need to stop focusing on one thing the person did and assuming it was responsible for something. As an example we can state that 100% of people who have ever been successfully treated for cancer were breathing air. Therefore, breathing air is what cured their cancer. See how ridiculous such generalizations are? Yet this is exactly what is being done in Johnston’s case where people are ignoring the other changes he made, and only focusing on the baking soda ingestion for which there is no evidence whatsoever that it has any effect on cancer cells.”

      By the way salivary pH testing ONLY tells you the pH of the saliva. It does not reflect blood pH whatsoever.

  48. Irfhan says

    One more thing, at the end of the day the body’s healthiest state is slightly alkaline. James or Chris or anyone cannot deny that is the recommended state of the body. So why not do it if it is the healthiest, natural state of the body. And if the doctors asked me to check my ph with the urine strips then it has to have some medical validity as a tool of measuring ph. Stay healthy everyone. Love to all.

    • James says

      Irfhan: “One more thing, at the end of the day the body’s healthiest state is slightly alkaline. James or Chris or anyone cannot deny that is the recommended state of the body.”

      Nobody ever denied that. But the key words there are “slightly alkaline”, not excessively alkaline which puts more stress on the body as the body has to work harder to lower its pH again, and if severe enough can be deadly. As I said before human bodies have been doing an excellent job of maintaining its proper blood pH levels, except is extremely rare cases, ever since humans have been on this Earth. It DOES NOT need assistance from drinking dangerous compounds such as baking soda or ionized alkaline water.

      As I pointed out also in previous posts anyone who wants to alkalize quickly for free can simply hyperventilate. This will make the person over alkaline just like what can happen when people try to make their already alkaline blood more alkaline by other means. And what happens when they alkalize by hyperventilation? The blood vessels around the brain constrict from the alkalinity cutting off the blood supply to the brain and the person passes out. When they pass out they fall down, which helps with restoring blood flow to the brain. The person will also stop breathing temporarily or breathing slows considerably to build carbonic acid levels back up to dilate the blood vessels and restore blood flow to the brain.

      The body really is smarter than most of the people who inhabit them.

      Irfhan: “So why not do it if it is the healthiest, natural state of the body. And if the doctors asked me to check my ph with the urine strips then it has to have some medical validity as a tool of measuring ph.”

      Any doctor that thinks that testing urinary pH reflects blood pH needs to have their license taken away because they don’t understand how the body works. You cannot determine blood pH through urine or saliva. You can only test blood pH with a blood test.

      And don’t start with it is the pH of the tissues, not the blood argument again. It is even more difficult to measure tissue pH, and this DEFINITELY CANNOT be done with pH test strips.

      • JC says

        As I understand it, it is oxygen that is responsible for whether cancer grows or dies. Cancer likes an anaerobic state, lack of oxygen. Baking soda provides oxygen to the cancer, therefor preventing its ongoing life! So, blood alkalinity or acidity has nothing to do with it! The alkaline state of urine or saliva is an indication that sodium bicarbonate is in the body! Of course, the agreed upon fact that human bodies strive to maintain a slightly alkaline blood state is evidence enough for me that, conservatively, acid forming foods lean towards being “not good,” and alkalizing foods lean towards being “desirable!”

        • James says

          JC: “Cancer likes an anaerobic state, lack of oxygen.”

          This myth was disproven decades ago. It has since been proven that cancer cells die in the lack of oxygen leading to the process of angiogenesis. Angiogenesis brings more oxygen to the surviving cancer cells allowing the cancer cells to grow faster.

          Cancer cells derive at least 50% of the energy from oxidative phosphorylation, which requires oxygen. And cancer cells have been shown to have a higher affinity for oxygen than healthy cells.

          JC: “Baking soda provides oxygen to the cancer”

          No it does not. Most baking soda is going to be broken down in the stomach forming sodium chloride salt and carbonic acid. Even if any baking soda reaches the blood excessive alkalinity leads to tissue hypoxia (lack of oxygen) since alkalinity decreases circulation and inhibits the release of oxygen from hemoglobin. If the alkalosis becomes too severe the person suffocates from severe contraction spasms of the lungs.

          JC: “The alkaline state of urine or saliva is an indication that sodium bicarbonate is in the body!”

          Not quite. The blood always contains bicarbonate in about a 20:1 ratio to carbonic acid. Yet urine is often slightly acidic to help fight pathogens and to prevent mineral precipitation forming kidney stones.

          Urine alkalinity can also indicate urinary tract infections as the bacteria secrete the enzyme urease to split urea in to highly alkaline ammonia. The alkalinity helps the bacteria to thrive since they are killed by acidity.

          JC: “Of course, the agreed upon fact that human bodies strive to maintain a slightly alkaline blood state is evidence enough for me that, conservatively, acid forming foods lean towards being “not good,” and alkalizing foods lean towards being “desirable!””

          There is no such thing as a truly acid or truly alkaline food. Many of the so-called alkaline food have acidic pH levels to begin with and ALL foods eventually metabolize in to acids. Most of these acids are ESSENTIAL to the body.

          And the so-called “alkaline response” occurs with ALL foods, even steak and junk foods.

  49. Irfhan says

    Well, for me personally I will leave this forum with actual and solid personal data for all here. After my first round of chemo I started researching alkaline effects. I took baking soda and lemon juice in the hospital, and for the first time in 2 weeks my back pain where I had metastasis was gone and slept without morphine for the first time in a couple weeks. I already had ph strips given to me by the hospital so I kept alkalizing even after it wasn’t monitored by the nurses. I am home now. Completely pain free. After only one round of chemo when they scheduled 4 rounds. Mri’s show complete recession. They are reconsidering doing stem cell. Whether it’s all related I am not sure but I will say ever since I have been monitoring my ph I am completely pain free, my weight is back up, my counts are normal and am starting to feel like my old self. These are my experiences. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions. Cheers everyone!

    • James says

      Glad you are feeling better Irfhan, but there is still no evidence here that you were altering your blood pH. First of all the acidity of the lemon juice would neutralize the alkalinity of the baking soda as would the stomach acid.

      And I am skeptical about a lot of the story such as what kind of hospital would give a patient pH strips. It is well known in medicine that you cannot measure blood pH with saliva or urine. And I have never seen any hospital allow patients to do self diagnosis by giving them anything to do so. To the contrary hospitals are very much against patients self diagnosing and patients self “medicating” while in the hospital since interactions with treatments they are giving are not known.

      In addition, PET scans, not MRI are generally used to determine if any cancer is still present. The reason is that PET scans look for higher than normal glucose consumption that is a hallmark of malignant tumors. MRIs can look for masses, but cannot tell if that mass is malignant or something benign like scar tissue.

  50. Irfhan says

    Another question, and I quote directly from you: ” cancer cells do tend to grow better in an acidic environment”. Why is this if you have also said they grow better in an alkaline environment. Which one is it James? May I also ask are you a practicing doctor? Jus curious…

    • James says

      Irfhan: “Another question, and I quote directly from you: ” cancer cells do tend to grow better in an acidic environment”. Why is this if you have also said they grow better in an alkaline environment. Which one is it James?

      First of all that was not my quote. That was a quote made by Chris Kessler in his article. Secondly, I never said cancer grows better in an alkaline environment, I said the internal pH of cancer cells is alkaline. So both Chris Kessler’s and my statements are 100% correct. The cancer cells maintain the internal alkaline state they need to survive and thrive by exporting the acidic hydrogen ions (protons) in to the external matrix, which is outside the cell. So inside the cell is alkaline and outside the cell is acidic. Cancer cells do rely on this external acidity to metastasize since the acid activates the enzyme hyaluronidase that breaks down hyaluronic acid allowing the cancer cells to migrate through tissues.

      Irfhan: “May I also ask are you a practicing doctor? Jus curious…”

      Again this article is not about me. So if you have on topic questions I will be happy to answer them but I am not going to keep responding to off topic posts.

  51. Irfhan says

    James. I am a cancer patient. I was given 10 sodium bicarbonate pills every 4 hours for the reason of keeping me in a high alkaline state. I was told to check my ph to make sure it was in a high alkaline state. This is being done in hospitals so why would you say SB causes acidosis? Are hospitals wrong too?

    • James says

      “James. I am a cancer patient. I was given 10 sodium bicarbonate pills every 4 hours for the reason of keeping me in a high alkaline state. I was told to check my ph to make sure it was in a high alkaline state. This is being done in hospitals so why would you say SB causes acidosis? Are hospitals wrong too?”

      First of all it is virtually impossible to maintain a higher than normal alkaline state. The body will just work harder to reduce its pH back to normal since being too alkaline can kill you by reducing oxygen levels to the tissues. So in essence you would suffocate if you became too alkaline.

      Also keep in mind these two facts. The sodium bicarbonate would be mostly broken down by the stomach acid forming sodium chloride as well as carbon dioxide and water that combine themselves to form carbonic acid. Secondly, the only way to check blood pH is with a blood test. You did not mention how they were supposedly monitoring your pH, but it sounds like it was not with a blood test.

      It is well known in medicine though that when sodium bicarbonate is administered in an hospital setting, which is normally done by IV, that the patient must be carefully monitored for acidosis since again the reaction of sodium bicarbonate with and acid produces an excess of carbon dioxide (hypercapnia), which reacts with water in the body forming carbonic acid resulting in acidosis.

      • Joseph Mahoney says

        As you will notice with James, he only reads what he wants for sake of arguements. I don’t recall anywhere that anyone said over alkalizing, but, yet thats where he goes… The alkalizing stabilization is done so your body doesn’t have to work so hard doing it and tend to the cancer… James also uses “most likely” alot, along with adding a ton of information not needed…trying to force his “so called” knowledge on the subject.

        • James says

          You will notice that Joseph never responds unless he can attack the messenger. People attack the messenger when they are completely ignorant of the subject and therefore cannot attack the message. So they attack the only thing they can which is the messenger.

          The simple fact that Joseph has not been able to grasp is that the body regulates its pH tightly without assistance. This is why acidosis and the more dangerous alkalosis are such extremely rare occurrences. When people try to force the blood in to an alkaline state, which is already maintained in an alkaline state, the person is simply making the body work harder as it now has to address the induced alkalosis. This extremely simple concept does not even require a bunch of research, it only requires some simple common sense. Although, all the facts I have presented can be verified easily with a little simple research. People like Joseph though are too lazy to do that simple research and prefer to remain bliss in their complete ignorance.

          Once again, alkalosis can kill you just as acidosis can. This is why the body maintains such tight regulation on its pH. The primary means of pH regulation is respiration, not diet. Next on the list is dumping of hydrogen ions through the kidneys, not diet. And the body still has various other means of pH regulation that do not require dangerous alkaline substances such as baking soda or ionized water. If you try to force the pH in to an alkaline state though with these substances you can overwhelm the pH balancing systems of the body thus inducing a dangerous state of alkalosis that kill a person from a lack of oxygen. Therefore, when you induce this alkalosis the body has to work harder in an attempt to bring the pH back down in to a normal range to prevent death.

          The body has managed to maintain its pH since humans have existed on Earth. Let the body do its job as it is designed to and stop trying to force the body into an unnatural and dangerous state of alkalosis.

          And since Joseph decided to bring up cancer it needs to be pointed out once again that research has shown over and over that cancer cells have an internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells and that excess alkalinity of healthy cells morphs these healthy cells in to cancer cells.

  52. Carey Dunn says

    Not to start an argument, but i honestly think that both James and Mr Paleo could have ended on better terms. Instead of attacking each other, politeness could have helped, as well as the capability to admit wrongs. Honestly, both have provided viable info and have been a major help in clearing arguments, however tedious.

    • MR PALEO says

      Dear Carey,

      Thank you for your sentiment, it is appreciated.
      I hold no grudge against James, he appears to be an intelligent individual willing to spend his own time to educate others.
      I simply have no desire to have to defend myself, especially when voicing my own “personal” opinion, nor engage in a “battle of wits”…

      Arnold

  53. James says

    Hi KJ,

    The confusion with the cancer comes from the fact that cancer cells have a more alkaline internal pH than healthy cells. They need this high alkalinity to survive and thrive. But they maintain this alkalinity by exporting the high number of acidic protons generated during energy production in to the external matrix. This makes the area surrounding the cancer cells acidic while maintaining the highly alkaline internal pH. This acidic external pH does help promote metastases since the enzyme hyaluronidase needs to acidity to function. But this IS NOT the same as the cancer cells thriving in an acidic environment as many people claim. To actually survive and thrive the pH of the cancer cell must be highly alkaline. Research has shown that when the proton pumps are blocked the internal pH of the cancer cells become acidic killing the cancer cells.

    As for alkaline waters supposedly boosting the immune system, this is not the case. Alkaline waters can do a lot to suppress parts of the immune system though primarily though inhibiting nutrient absorption, which among other things decreases methylation needed for about 4,000 reactions in the body including proper immune function.

    What people need to realize though is that the immune system IS NOT a singular thing. Instead the immune system is comprised of numerous components. Various glands, various cytokines, various white blood cells, peroxide, etc. Therefore, various things can affect the immune system, even placebo effect. Therefore, people can do a lot of things that can support their immune system without realizing it such as reducing their stress, giving up caffeine, increasing their fiber intake, etc. We cannot just assume it is one thing when there is no scientific basis for that one thing having any supportive effect on any component of the immune system.

  54. KJ says

    I’ve been drinking alkaline water for 8 years and haven’t got sick since then. I feel from my experiences and reports that by drinking this water you immune system is far stronger. This is the first time I’ve never heard that cancer can grow in an alkaline environment. I’ve only heard the opposite. Make it a great day and stay healthy..:)

  55. MR PALEO says

    James,

    I have offered, several times, to take this offsite. The FACT that you are unwilling to do so proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do what you do for your own egoic needs…
    When I check your MEDCAPSULES site, you may not have advertising per se, but it does present a company, MOUNTAIN MIST BOTANICALS, Las Vegas, NV, which you are listed as co-owner, and a product line which, apparently, you “advise/formulate” ? And, when I run your “profile” on LinkedIn, you have all of six connections and ONE apparent “testimonial”, from your significant other? You appear to be of above average intelligence, and I truly believe you may care. But I am not going to continue this…. you have lost a potential connection, and that is sad.
    Call it your “triumph” if you wish…but PLEASE, let it go….

    • James says

      Mr. Paleo: “I have offered, several times, to take this offsite. The FACT that you are unwilling to do so proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do what you do for your own egoic needs…”

      LOL!!! What egoic needs? You are the one that has been trying over and over to get the discussion moved over to your blog site to drive traffic there and feed your own egoic needs. There is nothing wrong with addressing the article topic right here where the people who are reading these comments came here to read and follow. How would posting comments here as opposed to your blog site be any different other than the fact that you have such as strong desire to feed your ego?

      Mr. Paleo: “When I check your MEDCAPSULES site, you may not have advertising per se, but it does present a company, MOUNTAIN MIST BOTANICALS, Las Vegas, NV, which you are listed as co-owner, and a product line which, apparently, you “advise/formulate” ? And, when I run your “profile” on LinkedIn, you have all of six connections and ONE apparent “testimonial”, from your significant other? ”

      Wow, getting in to cyber-stalking in a poor attempt to dig up dirt on me to make yourself feel superior. How egotistic is that!!!!

      By the way, I don’t have a significant other. I do have a lot of people who I have helped with their health issues with the PROPER information and we have become friends.

      In addition, I rarely do anything at all with Linkedin. I have a lot of requests by people to add them as connections. But I rarely do this because again I don’t do much of anything with Linkedin. In fact, since you looked when was the last time I did an update or anything on Linkedin? So stop with the cyber-stalking. It just shows how low you are wiling to go and makes me want to avoid your blog site even more!!!

  56. MR PALEO says

    FYI, I am well aware that ozone is toxic if inhaled, that was not the point. And the fact that you appear not to know that ascorbic acid has a “bowel tolerance” makes me question your background. Given the choice between Mike Adams, and you, I’ll take the Health Ranger. He has done more to further the truth about nutrition in one year than you will in a lifetime of harassing people… and if you REALLY paid attention, BOTH PubMed and Medline have been caught with their “pants down” recently. I’m going to also recommend you look up the RIORDAN CLINIC, and Dr. Hunninghake, and actually READ the books I referenced, for your own edification. (As for the German “study” you quoted, please provide a DIRECT LINK to said study.)

    http://www.riordanclinic.org/research/research-studies/vitaminc/protocol/

    http://www.riordanclinic.org/2013/dr-ron-hunninghake-inducted-into-the-2013-orthomolecular-medicine-hall-of-fame-spring-into-health-update/

    Unlike you, I don’t claim to be omniscient, or to be perfect. Nor do I need to justify my stance to you or anyone else…
    I am NOT a medical doctor, and I do NOT diagnose or treat. I DO provide extensive nutritional counseling and energy healing in conjunction with several excellent physicians…
    I choose to err on the side of caution, that is my choice, and don’t have the time or inclination to argue with people who claim to have “practical” experience but seem to spend ALL their time puffing out their chest and demeaning others…
    I do however recommend mega-dose B-vitamin therapy for your possible megalomania… or just “get a life”…

    • Julie says

      Oh wonderful news, so this means Mr Paleo and James will now surrender their egos and restore peace to this site for all. thank God, hallelujah! Hopefully this is the end of it, but both of them seem to want the last say, so being the childish creatures they are, the battle of egos will continue.

      • Joseph Mahoney says

        Nooooo ! No more paid off research links :)

        Btw James: I would only whine if they did reseach on how they might have been able to save me rather than doing so :) (they as in your accident scenario) You know, research like cancer research costing billions to accomplish “Treatments”

        • James says

          Joseph Mahoney: “You know, research like cancer research costing billions to accomplish “Treatments””

          So Joseph, how do you explain the numerous medical studies proving the effectiveness of various herbs and supplements for cancer? For example, the studies proving the anti-cancer benefits of betulinic acid derived from black conch mushrooms for cancer and HIV?:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3600

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2363

          Phyllanthus:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3296

          Milk thistle:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3177

          Picrorrhiza:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3297

          Ashwagandha:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3332

          These are just a few of many examples. For example there are numerous studies on the anticancer effects of curcumin from turmeric. And other compounds within herbs such as quercetin and chrysin.

          Instead of constantly whining about things like Julie why don’t you spend some of that energy actually doing some research. You will be surprised at how much research is readily available on the anticancer effects of various foods, herbs, essential oils, supplements, etc.

            • James says

              Give it up Julie. You have done nothing but whine about other people and attack them in every one of your posts. You have contributed NOTHING to the discussion of the topic here. How is that being graceful or respectful of Chris and his site? if you are going to post why don’t you put your whining away since I assume you are an adult and if you have something to add make it about the topic instead of posting personal attacks.

              • Julie says

                why don’t you get a job, a life, a personality, and some humanity. While you’re at it, why not go to anger management class, or better still see a spiritual teacher to address your ego issues. The ego has a dark possession over people to distract them from what they are meant to be doing in this world and arguing at every opportunity like you are doing is a clear indication you are possessed. Maybe an exorcism is in order?

                • sunflower says

                  Dear Julie,
                  I think this is enough! Your posting is repugnant and I am sure not a reflection of who you are. You can do better than using this kind of language and approach. I have been a Therapist for nearly 30 years and would like to give you some free suggestions….look at what you have written to James and then ask yourself how much of what you have said relates to you…please don’t take this the wrong way…it is not meant to be negative but more so supportive. Please let it go now and enjoy every minute of your day celebrating the fact that you are here and alive. Anger is like a hot piece of coal that is thrown at us from time to time…and the thrower is the one that gets burnt every time.

              • James says

                Uh oh, Julie is having a conversation with herself again.

                She has done nothing but post personal attacks to argue and has yet to provide even one on-topic post to contribute to the discussion. Therefore, her last attack post has described her and her actions perfectly.

                Now Julie, did you have something to add that is not a personal attack to start an argument and that has something to do with the topic of the alkalinity myth? If not, you really should move on. Your games have been exposed and are just wasting everyone’s time.

                • Julie says

                  ahhh, I knew you were possessed! the fact that you responded to my post speaks volumes. I will pray for you.

          • Joseph Mahoney says

            Research research…bla bla bla. You and I know there is no way to know which are accrurate and which are manipulated. As educated as you are,you tell these readers why the effective cancer (solutions) in other countries like Canada for instances, are not in the U.S. Also, why is it after chemo, radiation, which, is well known, to polute the body with poisons, is follow up care to rid the body of toxins not done by hospitals. Again and again, it’s a cover up, cures are available, but will never be made public unless the public forces a change. Research, research and more research, leading people to believe they are close. Much like that slot machine almost hitting, but, never paying out, continuing to suck you in …..much respect to you sir, but, 81% of Americans hate our government for a reason. (more so congress) but still. People want answers, not research!

            • James says

              Joseph Mahoney: “cures are available”

              Well, something we can agree on. I have been discussing one called ozone therapy, and just got done posting a bunch of references to herbs and herbal extracts shown to work.

              Joseph Mahoney: “People want answers, not research!”

              And how do you suppose people are supposed to get those answers Joseph? Guessing? Crystal ball? Flipping a coin?

              I don’t know about you, but I would rather see the research showing how the body works as well as how what herbs and supplements work and why.

          • Joseph Mahoney says

            Btw James..Nice promotion of med capsules there, I see you are the administrator to that forum…Hmmm no cut from selling those I suppose. Just give your educated research for free lol Just sayin…looks bad.

            • James says

              Joseph Mahoney: “Btw James..Nice promotion of med capsules there, I see you are the administrator to that forum…Hmmm no cut from selling those I suppose. Just give your educated research for free lol Just sayin…looks bad.”

              Boy, you will find anything to bitch about won’t you?!!!

              Pay careful attention Joseph so I don’t have to repeat myself. MedCapsules is a non-commercial site. Notice it has NO ads and yes, I give my time freely answering the questions when I have time. And I don’t make a cent posting the studies, nor do I manufacture ozone units for the public, or sell them. Maybe you are one of those people who cannot do anything for anyone unless there is something in it for you. I am not that way.

              • Joseph Mahoney says

                I live in the U.P. lending a helping hand is in our blood (not literally lol ) Oh James, because this is typed words one doesn’t always (notice) sense the sarcasm or tone… In person such a comment would consist of a gab to the arm and a “Oh I see how you are” with a chuckle….However, though I use humor, sarcasm, etc. This subject is very important to me and a serious matter. ( Just so people do NOT get the wrong impression)

      • Sunflower says

        Mr. Paleo and James….thank you for your heated exchange….I have been enjoying your interactions.
        It is not about being right or wrong…what matters is the intention behind it….and from where I stand all of us have only one intend and that is to find life saving answers to painful problems. I must admit …and it has been obvious here…that I do not agree with a number of things you guys have uttered here…and at the same time I love looking at things from different points of view…either to strengthen mine or to question my approach.
        What I consider silly is the fact that this forum is being used for personal judgements….I really thought that our common desire for answers would eliminate such rather immature behaviour.
        I would love to here more from others and their opinions…with a common denominator…mutual respect!!!

    • James says

      Mr. Paleo: “And the fact that you appear not to know that ascorbic acid has a “bowel tolerance” makes me question your background. ”

      LOL!!! Who said I am not aware of bowel tolerance. In fact, I was discussing the side effect of bowel intolerance in my last post. The fact that you did not know that this was what the bowel tolerance causes shows your complete ignorance of the subject.

      Mr. Paleo: “Given the choice between Mike Adams, and you, I’ll take the Health Ranger.”

      The difference between Adams and I is that Adams has been caught many times making up “facts” in his scare tactics to sell his products. And he likes to censor anyone who questions his claims. For example, my post providing evidence that microwave ovens did not pose the health risks he claimed was deleted because he did not want people seeing the actual research proving his claims were bogus. And he claims his clean chlorella is cleaner than the chlorella coming out of China. Yet, I pulled up Certificates of Analysis (COAs) for chlorella from both places. The COAs showed the Taiwanese chlorella he was selling was just as contaminated to more contaminated with heavy metals than samples coming from China. Once again he deleted the post with the actual COAs to prove this and I was banned from making any posts on Natural News articles because I was exposing the massive amounts of false information posted there. So the fact that you would accept the proven bogus information presented by the “Health Ranger” over someone who actually provides solid evidence from medical studies instead of repeating propaganda site crap says volumes about you.

      Mr. Paleo: “and if you REALLY paid attention, BOTH PubMed and Medline have been caught with their “pants down” recently.”

      The “Health Ranger” has been caught with his pants down numerous times yet you act like he is some health God. I guess you only believe what you want to believe and not real facts.

      If you know anything about research then you would know how research can be manipulated. Mike Adams has manipulated his “research” numerous times. Yet you accept his bogus claims like a little puppy begging for treats. A real researcher actually looks at the studies being referenced and reads those studies. In the process they look for things such as how was the study conducted? How was it interpreted? Was there conflicts of interest? And they look at other studies from independent sources so see if the information has been confirmed by other researchers. I see you don’t do any of this. You just read whatever article that says what you want to hear and accept is as fact without question.

      Therefore, to simply claim PubMed and Medline were caught with their pants down with such a broad brush shows your complete ignorance. Are there some bogus studies on these sites? Of course, corruption happens all the time. Using your reasoning though since Mike Adams, the “Health Ranger” has been caught with his pants down so many times this would have to mean that no information coming from his site has any credibility. Yet you accept that site’s information as fact without question.

      In reality people realize that yes there are some bogus research on both sides, allopathic and holistic. But this DOES NOT mean all of it is bogus. Again, there is a reason for actually reading the studies and related studies looking for things such as conflicts of interest of flaws in study design or interpretation.

      Mr. Paleo: “I’m going to also recommend you look up the RIORDAN CLINIC, and Dr. Hunninghake”

      So did you read any of the studies given in the links you gave? Right off the bat I notice that in the first link they keep saying ascorbate, which is not the same as ascorbic acid. Mineral ascorbates by their name should tell you that the ascorbic acid is bound to minerals. And some minerals help to form the various superoxide dismutases (SODs) that form peroxide. Therefore, is it the ascorbic acid or the minerals from the ascorbates that are increasing the peroxide? See why you need to actually understand what is being said, how the body works and actually need to read the studies?

      By the way, did you catch the part in your link where they talk about the case of oxalic acid induced nephropathy (kidney disorder), which also backs up the fact I mentioned earlier about the ascorbic acid in the IV breaking down in to oxalic acid? Thanks for providing the evidence backing up the things I have been trying to tell you all along that you have been ignoring.

      And as I brought up in my last post how do you know that the supposed anticancer effects of high dose IV ascorbic acid is not due to its breakdown product oxalic acid, which binds the iron cancer cells need to thrive? Ironically, vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is well known for increasing iron absorption, which is the basis for the danger with people that have hemochromotosis mentioned in the link you provided.

      Your link is basically full of assumptions without any solid evidence.

      Your link for example claims that high dose vitamin C inhibits angiogenesis, which otherwise would promote cancer. What do blood vessels need to form? Well among other things vitamin C. Maybe this helps explain this research that shown vitamin C promotes cancer growth:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1804324/

      “Our experiments in homozygous Gulo-/- mice indicate that dietary ascorbic acid restriction in these mice retards both initial tumor outgrowth and the growth of previously established tumors. Histopathological data from tumors in ascorbic acid-restricted mice demonstrate a paucity of blood vessels (from both microscopic examination and staining for vWF) and areas of hemorrhage. In contrast, tumors grown in mice supplemented with ascorbic acid have numerous and well-defined blood vessels and few areas of hemorrhage. Collagen staining of tumors in ascorbic acid-deficient and ascorbic acid-replete mice also suggests that collagen synthesis in these tumors is affected by dietary restriction of vitamin C. The possibility of using ascorbic acid restriction clinically is supported by our observation that restricting ascorbic acid to 10% of the full supplementation dose delays the onset of scorbutic symptoms in Gulo-/- mice while still significantly retarding tumor growth. Interestingly, we observed a trend toward increased tumor growth in mice that had been depleted of and then made replete with ascorbic acid. We postulate that host support for tumor growth may be increased secondary to overcompensation after ascorbic acid depletion.”

      “Our results, although obtained with a single mouse model and a single type of implantable tumor, support the idea that ascorbic acid depletion powerfully restricts tumor growth in vivo, likely through interference with angiogenesis.”

      Then there is this study that found ascorbic acid enhanced tumor growth in previously ascorbic acid deficient animals:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/869983/

      Why is this important? According to your link, the link states that cancer patients are vitamin C deficient to begin with.

      As we can see the research on ascorbic acid for cancer is very contradicting.

      Also note that the ascorbate used IV for cancer is not the common ascorbic acid or ascorbates we commonly ingest. It is a synthetic compound known as 5,6-benzylidene-l-ascorbate, which is classified as a chemotherapy drug. This compound decomposes releasing benzaldehyde, which is considered a hazardous substance.

      Let’s see how smart you really are. Answer this question for me. Why do cancer cells have such a high affinity for vitamin C? There are actually two parts to this answer. Good luck!!!

      Since we are playing let’s see what you really know I have another one for you. What is the principle behind the IV ascorbate increasing peroxide levels and why is this dangerous to the body? I already know the answer so don’t try to give me some BS answer.

      Mr. Paleo: “As for the German “study” you quoted, please provide a DIRECT LINK to said study.”

      Too lazy again to do some real research without assistance? I don’t have time to do your homework for you. I am leaving shortly for a birthday party. But as I mentioned before you can get the book “The Use of Ozone in Medicine” and you can find the reference in there.

      Speaking of references I added more research abstracts on ozone showing you there is research available if you actually take the time to look:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=354

      Also note the several studies showing ozone is superior to hyperbaric oxygen.

      Mr. Paleo: “Unlike you, I don’t claim to be omniscient, or to be perfect.”

      I NEVER claimed that, so you must be projecting again. In fact, I will prove I am not omniscient or perfect. I made a mistake on the number in the German study. It was just over 5.5 million, not 6.5 million.

      Mr. Paleo: “I choose to err on the side of caution, that is my choice, and don’t have the time or inclination to argue with people who claim to have “practical” experience but seem to spend ALL their time puffing out their chest and demeaning others…”

      How do you put up with yourself then? After all the chest puffing you have done and posting demeaning remarks such as FALSELY claiming that I claimed to be “omniscient” or “perfect”. Clearly you are just putting down other people to make yourself feel more important. The peacock puffing his chest and flashing his feathers.

      Let’s see if you can answer my questions above and we will see if you have even the slightest clue what you are talking about. When you can’t answer I’ll bet that chest of yours is going to deflate really fast and your feathers are going to be all ruffled!!!

  57. MR PALEO says

    To anyone reading this blog interested in the potential of megadose parenteral Vitamin C treating cancer…
    FYI: vitamin C administered orally quickly reaches body tolerance and is eliminated by the digestive system, thus severely limiting the maximum amount available to the body, however, when administered intravenously, much higher doses (20 to 30 times as much, or more) can be administered. Please note that I know of no one single treatment that works across the board on EVERY type of cancer, at least, at this moment, and to the limit of my awareness… http://www.naturalnews.com/043972_vitamin_C_cancer_treatment_intravenous_injections.html
    I don’t use, nor recommend “ozone” therapy… this DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN’T A VIABLE, EFFECTIVE TREATMENT ! And please don’t confuse ozone therapy with HBOT (hyperbaric oxygen therapy) which I do endorse, in MOST situations, but not all. Please do your own due diligence before choosing ANY therapy, no matter who recommends it…
    http://associatesinnutrition.com/wordpress/?p=435
    http://whatstheharm.net/ozonetherapy.html
    http://www.majidali.com/ozoneis.htm

    • James says

      Mr. Paleo: “FYI: vitamin C administered orally quickly reaches body tolerance and is eliminated by the digestive system, thus severely limiting the maximum amount available to the body, however, when administered intravenously, much higher doses (20 to 30 times as much, or more) can be administered.”

      Any proof that the excess ascorbic acid does not reach the bloodstream and is eliminated in the feces? Problem I see here is that you are assuming something again. Just because the ascorbic acid induces diarrhea at such high doses this does not mean that it is not reaching the bloodstream, where like all excess ascorbic acid the excess is broken down in to oxalic acid and eliminated through the KIDNEYS, not the intestines.

      There can be various factors that can explain the differences in effect between oral and IV ascorbic acid. For example, it could be that the oral ascorbic acid may be binding to minerals from food forming mineral ascorbates as opposed to pure ascorbic acid. Or it could be that the highly unstable IV ascorbic acid is breaking down almost entirely in to oxalic acid in the IV bag due to the light and moisture exposure. As I pointed out earlier IV ascorbic acid will mostly break down before it can be infused since it is so unstable. The synthetic ascorbic acid breaks down completely within 40 minutes and it takes a lot longer than 40 minutes for the IV ascorbic acid to be infused. So use a little common sense here Mr. Paleo. What is the byproduct of ascorbic acid breakdown? Answer is oxalic acid. What is one the primary things oxalic acid has a high affinity for? Answer is iron. What promotes cancer growth as I have provided references to before? Answer is iron. Therefore, it is possible that the IV ascorbic acid is forming oxalic acid, which in turn binds iron and thus helping to SLOW, but not cure the cancer.

      Point is that there is the possibility of a lot more going on than you are assuming. That is why real research is needed and you should be posting credible research, not bogus propaganda sites like Natural News, for your references.

      Mr. Paleo: “Please note that I know of no one single treatment that works across the board on EVERY type of cancer, at least, at this moment, and to the limit of my awareness… http://www.naturalnews.com/043972_vitamin_C_cancer_treatment_intravenous_injections.html

      You have to be kidding!!! You are referencing the quack site Natural News? I have addressed this quack site before:

      http://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/108/

      Furthermore, did you read their references? If you had then you would have seen the journal Nature they referenced. What did this journal article point out? Well first of all that the vitamin C was not curing the ovarian cancer but was rather helping to relieve the adverse effects of the chemotherapy. Hate to break this to you but there is a major difference between alleviating the symptoms of a therapy and actually curing a disease.

      If you read the reference then you would have also read where it clearly stated “Early studies championed by Nobel-prizewinning chemist Linus Pauling in the 1970s suggested that vitamin C could help to fight tumours. But larger clinical trials failed to substantiate those claims”. Again that is a massive jump to go from the research that shows high dose vitamin C being shown to be ineffective in fighting tumors to your claim of “I know of no one single treatment that works across the board on EVERY type of cancer”.

      I guess you also missed this quote in the article “McConnell, who was not involved in the study, cautions that the approach might not work for every type of cancer. She notes that some cancers express low levels of a molecular transporter that takes up vitamin C, and therefore may not be as susceptible to the treatment..”.

      Mr. Paleo: “I don’t use, nor recommend “ozone” therapy… ”

      Clearly you don’t understand ozone therapy then. I have yet to find any cancer therapy safer and more effective than ozone for cancer. Unlike HBOT, which cannot cure cancer, ozone therapy selectively destroys cancer cells, which cannot build a tolerance to ozone the way they can to chemo or radiation.

      I also like ozone because it attacks and destroys the cancer cells through a variety of mechanisms that no other therapy can do. It’s inexpensive, does not require a massive, expensive HBOT chamber, it can be done at home with little training unlike HBOT and unlike HBOT, which can increase vascularization and oxygen levels in tumors promoting cancer growth, ozone destroys cancer cells on contact. Therefore, even though ozone also promotes vascularization, it destroys the cancer cells faster than they can grow so it does not promote tumor growth like HBOT.

      Mr. Paleo: “And please don’t confuse ozone therapy with HBOT (hyperbaric oxygen therapy) which I do endorse, in MOST situations, but not all. ”

      If you known anything about HBOT it is good for certain conditions such as diver injuries, crush injuries, carbon monoxide poisoning, certain infections, burn care, etc. As for cancer though HBOT IS NOT a good idea for two primary reasons.

      First of all cancer cells are highly reliant on oxygen for growth . This is why they rely on angiogenesis to promote vascularization so they can increase their oxygen levels for survival and growth. Studies have shown that low oxygen levels inhibit cancer growth while higher oxygen levels promote cancer growth. Cancer cells also have a higher affinity for oxygen for the sane reason. Go back and look at the studies already presented earlier that prove these facts.

      Secondly, HBOT will not only temporarily increase oxygen levels to the tumor increasing its growth, but HBOT also promotes vascularization, which increases oxygen levels to the tumor long term, which also promotes their growth.

      This is why I mentioned earlier that HBOT may be a good idea to use in conjunction with chemotherapy or radiation therapy, which both rely on sufficient oxygen to work properly. At least this way the oxygen would be used against the cancer cells by eliminating the hypoxic areas of the tumor that render chemo and radiation therapies ineffective. And there would be something present to kill off the cancer cells faster than they could grow even with the increased growth rate from the HBOT.

      Mr. Paleo: “http://associatesinnutrition.com/wordpress/?p=435″

      Nice try. But first of all they mention problems if you have respiratory issues. That is ONLY if you are inhaling the ozone. Ozone therapy is not given by inhalation so you are once again showing your ignorance of the subject by posting this bog article of someone else that does not really understand it either.

      Also note where the author mentions the formation of peroxides, which we both know kills cancer cells. So you advocate high dose ascorbic acid IV, which is ASSUMED to form peroxide but are against ozone therapy, which has been proven to form peroxides.

      Mr. Paleo: “http://whatstheharm.net/ozonetherapy.html”

      So do you have the whole history on these patients? First of all did they really even exist in the first place or are these made up people to make ozone look dangerous? If they did exist how close to death were they when they started the ozone? How was the ozone administered including concentration, duration and within what time frame? What other things were they doing at the time? For example, the first one lists using cesium chloride at the same time, which has been proven not to work and is a proven cancer promoter.

      Any therapy can be dangerous if done improperly. Look I can even find people killed during HBOT, which you advocate:

      http://autism.about.com/b/2009/05/04/hyperbaric-oxygen-chamber-explosion-raises-questions-for-families-with-autism.htm

      http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-04-25/news/fl-hyperbaric-chamber-deaths-0426-20120425_1_francesco-martinisi-hyperbaric-clinic-pure-oxygen

      When properly done though ozone is very safe. One study done in Germany followed over 6.5 million ozone administrations. There were just over 30 adverse reactions. Most of these were due to improper administration and most of the adverse reactions were reported as pain and redness at the injection site.

      How many therapies proven to cure cancer can you name with this type of safety record?

      Mr. Paleo: “http://www.majidali.com/ozoneis.htm”

      This article was pretty useless. The fact is that ozone has been shown to kill cancer cells and various pathogens including many viruses such as HIV. The research is out there if someone knows how to really do research. For example, I posted in my article about ozone the study Ozone selectively inhibits growth of human cancer cells.:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7403859

      Funny how you can so easily find bogus propaganda sites to reference, but don’t seem to be able to find any real research to cite.

      I recommend you obtain a copy of the book The Use of Ozone in Medicine for starters. The book was written by doctors for doctors. The book goes in depth in to how ozone works chemically and its biological effects on the body as well as PROPER administration methods and levels.

      Let me help you out since you clearly don’t know how to do proper research:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312702/

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8692040/

      http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhumares.de%2Ffiles%2Ffallbeispiele%2FMedicalAspectsofOzone-therapy.pdf&ei=6BwRU6LaHOjhyQG8ooDgBQ&usg=AFQjCNGXMj2oWLLs-xQq4zilV9gplGdVzg&sig2=tW6EObRAOzQbLjDu9hASLA&amp;

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1781866/

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18224691

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19260079

      There are so many more references readily available from credible sites instead of the bogus propaganda sites you are referencing. All it takes a little work to search for them. For example, this site gives all sorts of references that can be searched out:

      http://www.aepromo.org/en/Scientific_papers.php

      You are not going to help your credibility referencing quack sites like Natural News and whatstharm.net where the clams are not substantiated with any real reference sources.

  58. James says

    Sunflower: “Ok…if I read this right there are cancer cells…and then you say that viruses enter healthy cells resulting in them becoming cancerous….this is supporting what I said…is it not?”

    No, here is your WHOLE quote:

    “If the environment changes cells will adapt …driven by the need to survive….”

    The cells ARE NOT adapting driven by the need for survival. They are being infected forcing the changes on the cell.

    This would be like claiming GMO crops have changed from their normal genetics because they were “driven by the need to survive”. GMO crops have forced alterations of their genes just like viral induced cancers. These ARE NOT adaptive changes.

    What you are referring to as far as mutations for survival would have to do with normal mutations that allow the organism to adapt to its environment as in evolution. For example how marine iguanas have adapted from terrestrial reptiles to allowing them to survive in water with the webbed toes and ability to hold their breath under water.

  59. James says

    Sunflower: “Cancer cells….I have been taught over and over again that there is no such thing as a Cancer Cell….like there are dogs and cats and horses….a specie of its own…but only cancerous cell…that is healthy cells that have become cancerous”

    There is absolutely such a thing as a cancer cell. Yes, there are dogs, cats and horses, which are all animals. But they all have specific differences just as cancer cells and non-malignant cells may both be cells but they have their specific differences.

    Sunflower: “If the environment changes cells will adapt …driven by the need to survive…”

    That is not how cancer forms. The vast majority of cancers have been linked to viral infections. The viruses insert their own genetic material in to a healthy cell creating changes such as turning off tumor suppressor genes within the healthy cell.

    • sunflower says

      Ok…if I read this right there are cancer cells…and then you say that viruses enter healthy cells resulting in them becoming cancerous….this is supporting what I said…is it not? It does not matter initially what causes it but the fact that healthy cells become cancerous due to external influences…eg virus…

  60. sunflower says

    Cancer cells….I have been taught over and over again that there is no such thing as a Cancer Cell….like there are dogs and cats and horses….a specie of its own…but only cancerous cell…that is healthy cells that have become cancerous. If the environment changes cells will adapt …driven by the need to survive….coming back to the Live Blood Analysis….I agree that many of these so called Blood Analysis people are not trained sufficiently….I can tell you though that I have saved lives by identifying problems before they became symptomatic and was able to refer them to a specialist or even directly to the nearest hospital. It is not about diagnostics but an investigatory service…at all times designed to identify a problem before it takes on the signs of disease…what I call the practice of “PREVENTOLOGY”. and the live blood and dried blood communicates in ways no pathologist will ever know about….here we are talking about the qualitative aspect rather than the quantity of cells within a sample.

  61. sunflower says

    James you mentioned Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy….how can this Therapy be of value to cancer patients if cancer feeds on Oxygen?

    • MR PALEO says

      Sunflower,

      Because ALL life on this planet functions within set parameters, exceed either boundary condition, and life ceases. You would die in an excess of oxygen, just as you would from insufficient oxygen. Cancer is no different…

    • James says

      Sunflower: “James you mentioned Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy….how can this Therapy be of value to cancer patients if cancer feeds on Oxygen?”

      What I was saying was that hyperbaric may increase the effectiveness of chemotherapy. Should help with radiation therapy as well.

      Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) will not cure cancer on its own. This is because cancer cells ARE NOT killed by a high oxygen atmosphere as is often claimed.

      Let me explain HBOT first for those not familiar with it. In short oxygen solubility in a liquid, such as blood, increases with increased atmospheric pressure. Therefore, in HBOT the patient is placed in a chamber where they are subjected to increased atmospheric pressure while being given 100% oxygen. This supersaturates the tissues with oxygen.

      Most chemotherapy drugs as well as radiation therapy have extremely low success rates in the treatment of cancers. The reason is that the chemo drugs and radiation therapy are both reliant on the formation of oxygen radicals to kill the cancer cells. Due to the poor vascular arrangement within the tumors though there are hypoxic regions that make the chemo and radiation therapy worthless in these regions. Therefore, these areas of the tumor survive and the tumor grows back.

      By combining HBOT with these therapies the HBOT would force oxygen in to the previously hypoxic regions of the tumor giving chemo and radiation therapies some significant response.

      • JosephMahoney says

        There ya have it folks. Yet, another money grabbing treatment. Soon this will be required by law as well. For those who don’t know….In most states in the U.S. it is illegal for a doctor to treat your cancer with anything other than Chemo, radiation, or surgery.

        • James says

          Joseph Mahoney: “There ya have it folks. Yet, another money grabbing treatment. Soon this will be required by law as well. ”

          You said you were leaving how many times Joseph, yet here you are still are whining. I guess you cannot tell the truth about much of anything.

          Tell me Joseph, if you get all banged up in a serious auto accident are you going to whine like this when the ambulance comes to pick you up? “Oh, here comes the ambulance to give me more money grabbing treatments then take me to the hospital for even more money grabbing treatments so I can survive”.

          HBOT has been around for a very long time and has its purposes. I first heard about HBOT back when I took up scuba diving 37 years ago. Back in those days its main use was for treating life threatening diver injuries. Since then it has been found to help with carbon monoxide poisoning, healing burns and certain infections that cannot be treated successfully with antibiotics, central retinal arterial occlusion, crush injuries, skin graft issues, etc. HBOT, which is not that expensive has done a lot of great things and saved many lives without the side effects of pharmaceutical drugs.

      • sunflower says

        James I did know this regarding Hbot…as part of my clinical work here we use Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy.
        It has been very effective in treating brain injuries and stroke conditions as well as Autism spectrum etc.
        Everything I have learnt over the last 5 years in relation to the blood and tissue is based on one principle: Our bodies are alkaline by design and acidic by function.
        I always send my clients to their MD to have their CBC”s done which I then follow up with a live blood analysis….I can actually see when the blood becomes slightly acidic and the impact that has on the RBC’s and WBC”S …now we are not talking about a huge shift in pH but a more subtle change that straight away has an impact on my clients health. The problem I found to be most common is the fact that most people do not have sufficient alkaline reserves to keep the internal pH balanced…this is due to stress, illness…and I know you do not agree diet and lifestyle. A positive change in these areas has seen many of my clients improve their health significantly.

        • James says

          Sunflower: “I always send my clients to their MD to have their CBC”s done which I then follow up with a live blood analysis….I can actually see when the blood becomes slightly acidic and the impact that has on the RBC’s and WBC”S ”

          Sounds like you are referring to the live blood cell analysis, which I generally have a big problem with. The problem is that most people using live blood cell analysis have no idea what they are doing or talking about. For example, blood RARELY ever goes acidic yet many people doing live blood cell analysis falsely claim that the blood is acidic if the red blood cells are clumping. I saw another company using live blood cell analysis claiming that the clumping was not from acidity , but a lack of enzymes, which is also false. I discussed this here and give real examples of what causes the clumping of cells:

          http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1458160#i

          Note that one of the reasons is cancer. So what happens when a person has cancer and this is what is causing their red blood cells to clump but they are simply told to alkalize, which will not take care of the underlying problem? Again, the blood RARELY goes acidic, and even if it does this is not what causes the red blood cells to clump as I have seen claimed and people should not be told this myth.

          Sunflower: “The problem I found to be most common is the fact that most people do not have sufficient alkaline reserves to keep the internal pH balanced”

          As has been stated over and over the body’s primary means of pH balance is respiration, which does not require any “alkaline reserves”. The second primary means of the body maintaining its pH is through dumping hydrogen ions through the kidneys, which again does not require “alkaline reserves”. And there are still other means of pH balancing that does not require “alkaline reserves” so that statement makes no sense. The primary alkaline reserve though produced by the body is sodium bicarbonate, which the body produces sufficient levels of throughout life.

          Since respiration is a primary means of pH balance and we breathe throughout life this is why we RARELY ever see true acidosis or alkalosis. And most people’s kidneys function fine allowing the dumping of hydrogen ions through the kidneys as a secondary major backup for pH regulation…… See the pattern? Again, this is why true acidosis or alkalosis are rarely seen. The body has various redundant systems in place to maintain its pH even if we eat like crap all the time.

  62. Irfhan says

    Every reported case of cancer has begun in an acidic body. Cancer cells thrive in acidic environments and do not like alkaline environments. This second statement cannot be refuted please try and find contrary information. Also, , please everyone do significant research before making your decision on treatments. A slightly alkaline ph is not only healthy it is recommended by doctors! Some of the information in this article is actually harmful and could sway cancer patience from helping create an environment that cancer cells do not like. In my research I found that there has not been a documented case of cancer forming in an alkaline environment. On top of this, foods do influence ph level. They provide sodium bicarbonate in chemotherapy to keep the ph at an alkaline level for lymphoma! Research many articles, journals etc before making any health changes!

    • MR PALEO says

      Irfhan,

      The first course of treatment I would probably pursue MYSELF if I was diagnosed with cancer (and wanted to continue living) would be massive doses of intravenous vitamin C… Ascorbic ACID… please use due diligence when advising others… we have already explained a dozen times that there is no such thing as “body” pH.

      • James says

        Mr. Paleo: “The first course of treatment I would probably pursue MYSELF if I was diagnosed with cancer (and wanted to continue living) would be massive doses of intravenous vitamin C… Ascorbic ACID…”

        This is one thing we would disagree on. Synthetic ascorbic acid is very unstable. See:

        • MR PALEO says

          Actually, we do not disagree… I was simplifying my answer, since cancer does not “thrive” in acidic environments, as you have already pointed out. And yes, I would probably choose chelated forms such as magnesium ascorbate over straight ascorbic acid… as this is recommended in the usual treatment protocol. Intravenous ascorbate becomes an oxidant, and overcomes the rapid elimination that oral route vit. C encounters, which would make it relatively ineffective in this particular situation. Agreed ?

          • James says

            Mr. Paleo: “Actually, we do not disagree… I was simplifying my answer, since cancer does not “thrive” in acidic environments, as you have already pointed out. ”

            I agree with that. What I was referring to was the comment “if I was diagnosed with cancer (and wanted to continue living) would be massive doses of intravenous vitamin C”. Massive doses of vitamin C will not cure cancer. Just look at Linus Pauling who advocated massive doses of vitamin C and still died from cancer. The body cannot utilize such high levels of vitamin C, and again in an IV solution most of the ascorbic acid will have decomposed in to oxalic acid long before it can be infused in to the body. This is also why I think IV ascorbic acid is a waste of time and money.

            And yes you are right that high doses of ascorbic acid, IV or oral, are not antioxidant but rather pro-oxidant.

            Magnesium ascorbate is not a chelate. Chelates are minerals bound to amino acids. But mineral ascorbates are easier on the body for most people since the acidity of the ascorbic acid has been buffered. Although I have never seen anything on their stability compared to straight ascorbic acid and have never tested the stability.

            I still prefer to get my vitamin C from natural sources such as foods or herbs. Natural vitamin C sources tend to be much more stable and stronger than synthetic vitamin C. An exception is camu camu, which is also very unstable.

            Vitamin C should not be relied on as a sole means of cancer treatment regardless. Vitamin C will boost the immune system because it helps boost white blood cell activity. Problem is that the white blood cells known as natural killer (NK) cells must first be able to detect the cancer cells before they can destroy the cancer cells. But cancer cells have developed the ability to evade immune detection pretty well, which is why the cancers are not destroyed at their earliest stages. Along that same line, it is a myth that we all have cancer cells and the immune system simply destroys them normally before they can take hold. These people are confusing cancer cells with other rapidly dividing, but non-malignant cells. Cancer cells have specific traits that set them apart from most other rapidly dividing cells.

            • MR PALEO says

              James,

              Several times I have requested that we take our conversation “off-site”, since it really isn’t directly relevant to the original topic of discussion, and really isn’t fair to Chris…
              Since you have not agreed, I have no choice but to answer you here…

              1) Massive doses of parenteral vitamin C administered sequentially over an extended period of time have been shown to “eliminate” several forms of cancerous growth…
              2) Linus Pauling’s death proves nothing, since he used the ORAL administration route…
              3)“There’s been a bias since the late 1970s that vitamin C cancer treatment is worthless and a waste of time,” said Dr. Jeanne Drisko, a study co-author and the director of integrative medicine at the University of Kansas Medical Center. “We’re overcoming that old bias.”
              “When high concentrations of ascorbate entered the space between cells, it formed hydrogen peroxide.”
              Senior author Qi Chen, an assistant professor of pharmacology, toxicology and therapeutics at the University of Kansas, said the hydrogen peroxide went to work on cancerous cells in several ways: It damaged their DNA, it stressed their metabolism and inhibited their growth. Surprisingly, the hydrogen peroxide did not harm the non-cancerous cells, researchers found. While they said it remains unclear exactly why this is the case, they suspect it has to do with the inefficient way cancer cells convert glucose to energy, when compared with regular cells…
              “Ascorbate causes an energy crisis for the cancer cells,” Chen said.
              4) Apparently you were educated in the 70’s or later, because originally, the term “chelated” referred to any mineral attached to an organic compound. It was in the late 60’s or early 70’s that “amino acid chelation” became all the rage, and hence your thinking that it has to be an “amino acid” complex.
              “Magnesium chelate” is slightly ambiguous, but chelated “magnesium ion” means a magnesium ion that is bonded by at least two coordinate covalent bonds to a single molecule, usually an organic molecule with two functional groups… with amino acids, this would be a “ring” molecule. If you don’t believe me, check out current soil science references…
              And, I stand by my assertion that given the choice between radiation and chemotherapy, and vitamin C/HBOT, I still choose the latter… read my blog, as this is REAL personal to me…

              • James says

                MR PALEO: “1) Massive doses of parenteral vitamin C administered sequentially over an extended period of time have been shown to “eliminate” several forms of cancerous growth…”

                Any studies to show this? I am very leery about people claiming such things without providing any real evidence. For example, there is a guy on Curezone pushing “oleander soup” for cancer even though it has been proven ineffective over and over. He even misinterprets the studies to make it sound like oleander works when this is not the case. The last study he tried to quote was only a safety study that he claimed proved oleander worked for cancer. This is not what the study showed though. In fact, the study showed that the people who were in the study died in a shorter time than they were estimated to have without the treatment. Because of people pulling crap like that on unsuspecting victims I like to see the evidence to such claims so I can review how the study was done and the person is interpreting those studies.

                MR PALEO: “2) Linus Pauling’s death proves nothing, since he used the ORAL administration route…”

                So where are the studies showing that IV ascorbic acid is somehow utilized by the body in a different manner than orally ingested ascorbic acid?

                The only difference I can see would be in the fact that the IV ascorbic acid would mostly decompose in to oxalic acid long before it can be infused as previously pointed out.

                MR PALEO: ““When high concentrations of ascorbate entered the space between cells, it formed hydrogen peroxide.””

                Again questionable. The body does form hydrogen peroxide, but this is formed from the antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase (SOD). SOD is not in the space between the cells though, but rather is inside the cells. So I would like to see the mechanism by which mineral ascorbates in the extracellular space is supposed to stimulate SOD to form hydrogen peroxide.

                This also brings up the question as to if this is true was it the mineral or the ascorbic acid stimulating the hydrogen peroxide formation?

                MR PALEO: “Senior author Qi Chen, an assistant professor of pharmacology, toxicology and therapeutics at the University of Kansas, said the hydrogen peroxide went to work on cancerous cells in several ways: It damaged their DNA, it stressed their metabolism and inhibited their growth. Surprisingly, the hydrogen peroxide did not harm the non-cancerous cells, researchers found. While they said it remains unclear exactly why this is the case, they suspect it has to do with the inefficient way cancer cells convert glucose to energy, when compared with regular cells…”

                How old and outdated is this information? I have known how hydrogen peroxide selectively attacks cancer cells without harming healthy cells for about 20 years. It’s actually pretty common knowledge. All some researcher has to do is look up how natural killer (NK) cells destroy cancer cells when they are capable of detecting them. The NK cells attach to the cancer cells and inject peroxide in to the cancer cell causing the cancer cell to swell and burst. This is also the main mechanism by which ozone therapy works. Unlike healthy cells, cancer cells lack sufficient levels of antioxidant enzymes such as catalase, peroxidases and SOD that also happens to break down peroxide. These enzymes protect healthy cells by breaking down the peroxides in to water and oxygen. Since cancer cells are deficient in these enzymes they cannot tolerate the peroxide load and therefore are destroyed by the peroxide.

                Peroxide also helps activate white blood cells. For example, during a viral infection interferon is released that among other things stimulates SOD to form peroxide, which in turn activates white blood cells.

                None of this has anything to do with the “way cancer cells convert glucose to energy”.

                MR PALEO: “4) Apparently you were educated in the 70′s or later, because originally, the term “chelated” referred to any mineral attached to an organic compound. ”

                I stick to updated terms. For example, I don’t use the term adrenaline since this is an outdated term. I use epinephrine, which is the current term used and use “adrenaline” in parentheses for those not familiar with the current term.

                Regardless, what you are describing is not an outdated term. You are just using it in the wrong context. What you are referring to is the current definition in chemistry. We are talking about the holistic health field though in which the definition is more narrowed and refers to a mineral bound to an amino acid.

                The terms you use should be consistent with the topic. For example, the term electrolysis is not the same in chemistry as it is on cosmetology.

                MR PALEO: “And, I stand by my assertion that given the choice between radiation and chemotherapy, and vitamin C/HBOT, I still choose the latter…”

                Fine that is your choice. I would NEVER do chemo or radiation either, but if I needed a cancer therapy I would go with something proven such as ozone therapy or herbs proven to work by research, not hearsay.

                As I mentioned earlier one of the main functions of ozone in the destruction of cancer cells is peroxide formation. Bot the lipid peroxide and hydrogen peroxide formed by the reaction of ozone on lipids and water respectively will selectively destroy cancer cells on contact. See:

                http://www.medcapsules.com/info/The%20Chemistry%20of%20Ozone%20Therapy%20on%20Cancer.htm

                • MR PALEO says

                  James, Apparently, you missed my statement that I don’t feel it is appropriate to have this discussion here…

                  My last remark, Linus Pauling died at the age of 93 from a cancer that even by today’s standards is considered UNTREATABLE… please read “Vitamin C, The Real Story” by Drs. Levy & Saul, “Primal Panacea” by Dr. Levy, and everything by Drs. Hickey and Roberts.
                  I’m done.

              • James says

                Mr Paleo: “Apparently, you missed my statement that I don’t feel it is appropriate to have this discussion here…”

                No, I did not miss it. You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree. Furthermore, if Chris has a problem with the discussion he would not approve the messages. So as long as he is fine with the discussion here I am as well.

                I asked for evidence to back your claims that the IV vitamin C worked for cancer and that taking the vitamin C orally somehow is used differently by the body than IV vitamin C. Giving me a list of books to read that may or may not provide the research to back these points is not providing evidence to your claims.

                Mr Paleo: “Linus Pauling died at the age of 93 from a cancer that even by today’s standards is considered UNTREATABLE…”

                I don’t consider any cancer untreatable until the person is dead. Ozone for one can be highly effective in reversing cancer, even in late stages. The biggest danger is killing the cancer cells too quick, which can potentially cause sepsis if the immune system is overwhelmed. Otherwise it is the safest and most effective cancer therapy I have ever found when performed properly.

                Ozone therapy has been around since 1898, and therefore was in existence when Pauling died of cancer.

                You are also overlooking another simple fact. If high dose vitamin C is so effective against cancer then how did Pauling get cancer in the first place? After all the cancer did not pop up suddenly as a stage 4 cancer. It had to grow from a single malignant cell. By standards back then and by today’s standards early stage cancers are still considered curable. So why did his megadosing of vitamin C fail to prevent the initiation of cancer and fail to halt Pauling’s cancer even in its earliest stages?

    • James says

      Irfhan: “Every reported case of cancer has begun in an acidic body.”

      Not even close to being true. Especially considering the fact that the body RARELY ever goes acidic since the blood must be maintained with a very narrow range to prevent death from acidosis or the more dangerous alkalosis.

      Irfhan: “Cancer cells thrive in acidic environments and do not like alkaline environments. This second statement cannot be refuted please try and find contrary information.

      This myth has already been addressed over and over. Cancer cells have an internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells because they are killed by acidity.:

      Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

      Vacuolar H_-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

      To protect themselves from the acidity they export the acidic hydrogen ions in to the external matrix to maintain their alkalinity. If their proton pumps are blocked the cancer cells become acidic and are killed:

      Targeting vacuolar H+-ATPases as a new strategy against cancer. Cancer Res 2007 Nov 15;67(22):10627-30

      Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase signaling pathway in cancer. Curr Protein Pept Sci 2012 Mar;13(2):152-63

      Even though cancer cells derive at least 50% of their energy through oxidative phosphorylation:

      Oxygen Consumption Can Regulate the Growth of Tumors, a New Perspective on the Warburg Effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

      Choosing between glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation: a tumor’s dilemma? Biochim Biophys Acta 2011 Jun;1807(6):552-61

      the high alkalinity of cancer cells increases the cancer cells reliance on glycolysis.:

      Role of the Intracellular pH in the Metabolic Switch between Oxidative Phosphorylation and Aerobic Glycolysis-Relevance to Cancer. Cancer 2011;2(3):WMC001716

      Cancer cells are not only more alkaline than healthy cells, but research has shown that excess alkalinity of healthy cells can morph them in to cancer cells:

      Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000 Nov;14(14):2185-97

      Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418

      31P NMR analysis of intracellular pH of Swiss Mouse 3T3 cells: effects of extracellular Na+ and K+ and mitogenic stimulation. J Membr Biol 1986;94(1):55-64

      Extracellular Na+ and initiation of DNA synthesis: role of intracellular pH and K+. J Cell Biol 1984 Mar;98(3):1082-9

      Irfhan: “In my research I found that there has not been a documented case of cancer forming in an alkaline environment”

      Well, now you have seen the real research proving your claims are wrong. All cancerous tumors have highly alkaline internal pH levels.

      Irfhan: “On top of this, foods do influence ph level.”

      Again, pH levels are primarily regulated by respiration and dumping of hydrogen ions through the kidneys, not diet.

      Irfhan: “They provide sodium bicarbonate in chemotherapy to keep the ph at an alkaline level for lymphoma!”

      Yes, do the research. IV sodium bicarbonate therapy can induce acidosis very easily since a byproduct of sodium bicarbonate neutralizing acid is carbonic ACID!!!

  63. sunflower says

    All normal cells have an absolute requirement for oxygen, but cancer cells can live without oxygen – a rule without exception. – Dr. Otto Warburg

    • James says

      Sunflower,

      As with John R. you need to catch up to modern research. Warburg’s hypotheses about oxygen utilization by cancer cells and energy production by cancer cells were disproven decades ago.

      • Joseph Mahoney says

        Yes please Sunflower,

        Do jump on the bandwagon to the new manipulated research statistics paid for by multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies, and -or- a government and FDA that authorizes a huge increase % on pesticide use.. like we didn’t have enough cancer. Oh wait..they must need more money! Just sayin …

  64. John R says

    Dr. Otto Warburg received 46 Nobel Prize nominations over a period of 9 years, including 13 nominations in 1931, the year he won it.

    How many Nobel nominations has Mr. Kresser had?

    All depends on who you accept as the authority.

    • James says

      John R,

      It does not matter how many Nobel Prize nominations Warburg got for several reasons.

      First of all Warburg’s receipt of the Nobel Prize was for the discovery of an enzyme he called “iron oxidase”. It was not for anything having to do with the subject here of pH. So you can use the same argument on any off topic subject, such as what is the healthiest ice cream to buy and it would mean just as much.

      Secondly, Warburg’s hypotheses about how cancer cells utilize oxygen and derive energy were later disproven by a number of scientists. Part of the reason for this is that Warburg was guessing on these claims. That is why they were hypotheses and not theories. In addition, the technology did not exist in his day to confirm things such as the high oxygen utilization by cancer cells or the highly alkaline pH of cancer cells.

      This is why research is always continuing. If we would have accepted everything learned about science and medicine discovered by the early 1900s as fact and halted all research assuming that everything that can be learned has already been learned we would still be stuck with early 1900s technology and thought.

      Luckily we have a piece of MODERN technology called the internet that makes it much easier for people to look up modern research and see what has been been learned and verified since the early 1900s. That is if they wish to catch up on the modern age as opposed to holding on to old beliefs such as the world is flat and you can sail off the edge of the Earth.

    • MR PALEO says

      Dear Julie,

      Please leave me out of this… and skip the judgment… you don’t know me, or what I do, or what I am about… try actually READING my blog which, unlike the others, I have proffered…

      James,
      ‘Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.’ — George Carlin

      • Julie says

        @Mr Paleo
        No, I will certainly not be reading your blog! I’ll stop judging you when you stop hijacking Chris’s site, promoting yourself, and riding on his coat tails.

        • MR PALEO says

          sigh… has it even occurred to you that being that this IS Chris’s site, he could easily block myself, or James, or anyone else for that matter, including you, from commenting ???

    • James says

      It does not matter who you meant. Clearly you don’t care that people get the proper information to stay safe and remain healthy as we do.

      I for one though do care that people get the proper health information. If someone posts bogus health information like telling someone that if they hop on one foot while spinning counter-clockwise and chewing on sugar free gum that they can cure their stage 4 cancer I am going to call them on the BS. Why? Because unlike you I care that people remain safe and get the proper information to make sure they stay safe and healthy.

      Furthermore, NOBODY is forcing you to read this blog or any of the comments. If you don’t like it then don’t read the comments. You are not the all high an mighty speaking for the rest of the world. There are other people reading this blog and its comments because they do care about the truth and are seeking proper health information.

      So get over yourself, you are not more important than everyone else like you think you are.

  65. Julie says

    @ James and Mr Paleo

    Will the two of you give it a rest please! Both of you want to have the last say, and no one is interested except your egos!

  66. MR PALEO says

    To: Sunflower,

    Emotional statements like “consuming meat makes one violent” is absolute scientific nonsense… and has no historical or factual basis…
    And while you may, or may not be healthy, 90% of my “clients” are female, and at least 70% are/were vegan or vegetarian… and almost all are VERY sick…
    I have addressed most of the irrational arguments for being vegan/vegetarian on my blog…
    http://www.misterpaleo.blogspot.com

    • sunflower says

      By the way, I said MAY lead to violence ……Non-violence and vegetarianism have a long history together — perhaps best articulated by Leo Tolstoy’s observation that “As long as there are slaughterhouses there will be battlefields”. At the most basic level, the killing of another animal is, just like the killing of another human, an inherently violent act.
      For theoretical discussion of the links between meat consumption and violence see, for example: Patterson, Mathew. 2001. Understanding Global Environmental Politics: Domination, Accumulation, Resistance. Palgrave Macmillan
      The consumption of animal products in general, and meat eating specifically, is certainly not the only or even necessarily a primary cause of human conflict and violence. It is self-evident, however, that meat eating is inherently violent and there is strong evidence that the environmental degradation it fuels sometimes contributes to human on human violence

  67. Joseph mahoney says

    James the body “tries” to maintian is what you mean. Yes of course it’s saliva or urine…bit of “duh” factor there. With that said, Let me know of “any” cancer patient that had a blood ph of 7.4 or higher. Chances are you will find 0. People with cancer that I know of had acidic blood pH. But while the doctors are pumping the patient full of chemotherapy,acidic foods, and presciptions that poison, followed by radiation and surgery, they are ignoring the fact that cancer thrives in a low oxygen environment. Oxygen cannot stick to blood cells if the pH of the blood is acidic. And rather than do everything that they can to raise the pH back up to a normal pH of 7.4 so that the blood can function properly, they prefer surgery.Agian I ask, How does the body maintain a blood ph level of 7.4 when urine,saliva, and everything you put into your body is acidic? It’s simple, It doesn’t! Blood level ph decreases and you are prone to disease, infections, etc.Yes, if your body does not recover from the drop in blood ph, you will die. However, as soon as the body does get the food it needs to do so, it instantly works at raising the blood ph level. Oh, but what about those bad cells,diseases coming in,other illnesses, they will have to wait because the body is busy controlling blood ph and is lacking healthy food.

    • James says

      Joseph Mahoney: “James the body “tries” to maintian is what you mean.”

      No Joseph, it “DOES”. If it didn’t we would be DEAD. The body can only live with a very narrow pH range of the blood. This is why the body very effectively maintains that very narrow pH range except in very rare conditions. Even at that being very slightly acidic or alkaline is harmful but not deadly. As I pointed out though it does not take much of a shift out of normal to induce death. This is why the body has so many redundant systems to tightly maintain its blood pH.

      Joseph Mahoney: “Yes of course it’s saliva or urine…bit of “duh” factor there.”

      Which once again DOES NOT reflect blood pH, which is what has been being discussed. If we were discussing cars I would not expect you to start discussing your peddle tricycle. So why do you want to keep discussing salivary and urinary pH when they do not reflect on blood pH that everyone else is discussing in relation to health?

      Joseph Mahoney: “Let me know of “any” cancer patient that had a blood ph of 7.4 or higher.”

      Again, why are you bringing up something that was never claimed?

      Joseph Mahoney: eople with cancer that I know of had acidic blood pH.

      Obviously you were not measuring their blood pH. Cancerous tumors will make an acidic microenvironment around the tumor. But this DOES NOT make all the blood acidic. Again, if it did the person would die of acidosis.

      Your comment is also contradictory of the other bogus claims being made by the alkaline supporters who keep claiming bones are frequently used to buffer acidity. According to the hypothesis combined with your bogus claim, if the blood was actually acidic from the cancer then the bones would quickly dissolve away in an attempt to buffer the acidic blood. Therefore, a cancer patient, especially with late stage cancer would have no skeletal system as all the bone minerals would have been used to buffer the acidity. See how ridiculous your claim is?

      Bones can be used as a buffering agent for acidosis, but this is only used by the body as a very last resort. Respiration is still the body’s main means of pH balance followed by hydrogen ion dumping through the kidneys. And the body still has various other means to maintain its pH.

      Please stop repeating the same bogus information that has already been addressed and proven wrong.

      Joseph Mahoney: “they are ignoring the fact that cancer thrives in a low oxygen environment.”

      This myth was disproven decades ago and again has already been addressed. Cancer cells grow faster when they have a sufficient supply of oxygen. That is the purpose of angiogenesis is malignant tumors. Do the research from credible sites, not propaganda and sales sites!!!

      Cancer cells derive at least 50% of their energy production through oxidative phosphorylation (OxPhos), which by the name should tell you requires sufficient oxygen. Cancer cells have also been shown to have a higher affinity for oxygen than healthy cells because they are so reliant on oxygen for survival and proliferation.

      Joseph Mahoney: “Oxygen cannot stick to blood cells if the pH of the blood is acidic.”

      Again, you have no clue how the body works. Research how oxygen is released from hemoglobin to tissues. The tissues must be slightly ACIDIC for the oxygen to release from the blood. If the blood is too alkaline this not only decreases circulation through vasoconstriction, but also inhibits the oxygen release from hemoglobin leading to tissue hypoxia (low oxygen). The hypoxia leads to a build up of carbonic acid that restores circulation and allows the cells to receive the oxygen from the hemoglobin.

      Joseph Mahoney: “How does the body maintain a blood ph level of 7.4 when urine,saliva, and everything you put into your body is acidic?”

      Really?!!! First of all I don’t put urine in to my body. I excrete it and leave it excreted. Secondly, urinary pH can vary from acidic to alkaline and saliva has an alkaline pH. What makes salivary pH reading acidic are the flora acids in the mouth. Again, the saliva itself is alkaline.

      It is true that all foods will eventually metabolize in to acids. most of these are essential to and utilized by the body. The rest is either neutralized or eliminated from the body through the body’s numerous pH regulation methods. This really should not be that difficult of a concept to grasp for you.

      Joseph Mahoney: “Blood level ph decreases and you are prone to disease, infections, etc.”

      Again, the body maintains a very tight control on its pH so acidosis, as well as the more dangerous alkalosis are both EXTREMELY rare. Although, it has been shown that most pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment. For example, the Candida growth gene is turned on and Candida morphs in to its pathogenic fungal form in an alkaline environment. Bacteria causing urinary tract infections secrete an enzyme to split urea in to highly alkaline ammonia to protect themselves from acidic urine. The ulcer and cancer causing Helicobacter pylori bacteria secrete highly alkaline ammonia to protect itself from stomach acid…….. One role our stomach acid is to kill ingested pathogens. The flora that inhabit various parts of our body also secrete acids that have one role of killing pathogens, and controlling Candida. Cancer cells maintain an alkaline internal pH to allow them to survive and thrive. If their internal pH becomes too acidic the cancer cells die. Studies have also shown that if the internal pH of a healthy cell becomes too alkaline the healthy cell will morph in to a cancer cell.

      By the way, try looking up what happens to a person if they build up too much ammonia in their system, which is highly alkaline. Then stop repeating the acidity causes disease myth.

      Joseph Mahoney: “However, as soon as the body does get the food it needs to do so, it instantly works at raising the blood ph level.”

      You are finally getting closer to the truth. “Instantly”? No. When the food goes through its primary digestion in the stomach the mix is known as chyme. As the acidic chyme is released in to intestines the pancreas releases alkaline sodium bicarbonate to neutralize the acid in the chyme to protect the intestines. This is the so-called “alkaline response” and it occurs with ALL foods, even junk foods.

      This takes time though, it is not “instantly” as you incorrectly claimed.

      • Joseph Mahoney says

        You continue to add a whole lot of information that is not required…My ending note, your claim is rediculous. Cancer cells and high oxygen levels..Ha! Not a chance..but whatever. My guess, your in the pharmaceutical industry or similar. Good day sir. People, get some litmus paper its $4 and I dont sell them, keep records, and see how you feel accordingly. There is your truth.

        • James says

          Joseph Mahoney: “My ending note, your claim is rediculous. Cancer cells and high oxygen levels..Ha! Not a chance..but whatever. ”

          I guess some people need to learn the hard way:

          On the use of oxygen through oxidative phosphorylation by cancer cells:

          Oxygen Consumption Can Regulate the Growth of Tumors, a New Perspective on the Warburg Effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

          Choosing between glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation: a tumor’s dilemma? Biochim Biophys Acta 2011 Jun;1807(6):552-61

          On the fact that low oxygen levels slow cancer growth and an absence of oxygen kills cancer cells:

          Oxygen consumption can regulate the growth of tumors, a new perspective on the Warburg effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

          Anoxia is necessary for tumor cell toxicity caused by a low-oxygen environment. Cancer Res 2005 Apr 15;65(8):3171-8

          Relationship between oxygen and glucose consumption by transplanted tumors in vivo. Cancer Res 1967 Jun;27(6):1041-52

          On the fact that acidity is required to release oxygen from hemoglobin:

          Biochemistry, Mary Campbell, Ph.D. and Shawn Farrell, Ph.D. 2005

          Regulatory mechanisms of hemoglobin oxygen affinity in acidosis and alkalosis. J Clin Invest 1971 March; 50(3): 700–706

          Hematology in clinical practice: a guide to diagnosis and management Robert S. Hillman, Kenneth A. Ault, Henry M. Rinder 2002

          On cancer cells having a more alkaline internal pH than healthy cells:

          Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

          Vacuolar H_-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

          And on a build up of internal acidity causing cancer cell death:

          Targeting vacuolar H+-ATPases as a new strategy against cancer. Cancer Res 2007 Nov 15;67(22):10627-30

          Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase signaling pathway in cancer. Curr Protein Pept Sci 2012 Mar;13(2):152-63

          On high alkalinity morphing healthy cells in to malignant cells:

          Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000 Nov;14(14):2185-97

          Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418

          On the higher affinity for oxygen by cancer cells than normal cells:

          Utilization of Oxygen by Transplanted Tumors in Vivo. Cancer Res 1967;27:1020-1030

          Growth-related changes of oxygen consumption rates of tumor cells grown in vitro and in vivo. J Cell Physiol 1989 Jan;138(1):183-91

          On the fact that cancer cells produce a vascular network to increase oxygen levels they need to survive and thrive:

          Computational models of VEGF-associated angiogenic processes in cancer. Math Med Biol 2012 Mar;29(1):85-94

          Blood Flow, Oxygen Consumption, and Tissue Oxygenation of Human Breast Cancer Xenografts in Nude Rats. Cancer Res 47, 3496-3503, July 1,1987

          A Mathematical Model for the Diffusion of Tumour Angiogenesis Factor into the Surrounding Host. Tissue Math Med Biol (1991) 8 (3): 191-220

          The History of Tumour Angiogenesis as a Therapeutic Target. University of Toronto Medical Journal Vol 87, No 1 (2009)

          Now, you cannot tell us that all these researchers who have actually done the research are wrong and you, who has not done any real research is the only one that is right.

          As for your comment that I am in the pharmaceutical industry or something similar you are just as wrong. I have been working in holistic medicine for 23 years. So stop assuming everything and try posting some real facts by actually researching what you are talking about from credible sources, not the propaganda sites you have been your bogus information from.

          • Joseph Mahoney says

            Once again James posts what could be and more than likely, a bunch of manipulated test results, bla bla bla. Nobody will know unless you were standing right there doing it yourself. Even taking the word of many year professionals now a days wouldn’t be truthful. Anyone wanting to see those facts. Look up a Drs, Mark Hyman and Mark Liponis. They wrote an article back in 2001 that will knock your socks off. As far as making asumptions..I will do so at my free will…your continued posts of such nature for a man with so much experience,could lead one to assume you are selling something. Do you in fact have a product for sale?

            • Joseph Mahoney says

              Secondly, a cancer cell is (extremely simple terms here) we both know the complexity of the subject. A cell that has no (or lost) its functionality. The cell is now taking on what I call (it’s right to live) only at the beginning stage does the cell have an alkaline presents (reason for the misguided tests results they can put out) quickly the body tries to kill that now disfunctinal cell forcing it to take on lesser properties (an acidic form doing all kinds of wonderful things..note being sarcastic) believe the false reports if you wish, be one of the millions manipulated by people who want you to believe untruthful statistics. Billions of dollars a year towards research…think about that! No cure since the polio vaccination…really? Only treatments, treatments that have a low success rate mind you. Doesn’t take a whole lot of common sense to figure out something is going on….

              • James says

                You keep saying you are leaving then come back to argue without any evidence to back your claims. And when evidence is presented you claim it “could be” manipulates because you have no other argument to come up with.

                And I agree with Mr. Paleo’s suggestion of never argue with an idiot so I am going to drop it. You are never going to accept the truth including cancer cells maintaining their alkalinity throughout their life cycle. So posting evidence to you is just a complete waste of time.

                The evidence has been presented though for those who do care about the truth and want to actually do the research and see the facts.

  68. Joseph Mahoney says

    For those who believe James is correct about beverages not changing the bodies ph…test your ph before a night on the town and then test it again the next day :) or when your feeling great and have a cold…etc. etc. Personally, I know when I have a cold coming on by testing my ph. I’ve done it for years. I feel like shit when my ph is low, eat,drink, etc. and a day or so ph levels out, and once again I feel fabulous. So your theory of food and beverage not making a difference…False! Quit reading, buy some litmus paper, and try it for yourself!

    • James says

      If you are using litmus paper then you are either testing your salivary or urinary pH. NEITHER of these reflect blood pH. The ONLY way to determine blood pH is with a blood test. And the body maintains tight control on its blood pH.

  69. Joseph Mahoney says

    If blood ph stays at 7.4 at ALL times. How do you suppose it does that in a body that is always 5.5? It is also a fact you can raise your bodies ph to higher levels for about 10-15 days (without killing you or doing harm) and then allowing it to drop back to around 7-8. Interesting is the fact many made same claims about polio…Oh wait..don’t see polio around much anymore..wonder why? Oh but no cures have been found since that SUCCESSFUL vaccine…. Only treatments and faulty vaccines making particular inviduals and organizations billions a year. James your feb. 15th post is rediculous…you probably believe everything you read on the internet too…. wow! You are manipulated by those who want you to believe that garbage.

    • James says

      Joseph Mahoney: “How do you suppose it does that in a body that is always 5.5?”

      If a person has a pH of 5.5 then they would be dead. Coma or death occurs at a blood pH starting at 6.95 and death definitely occurs if the pH drops below 6.8. So you are proving how little you really know about the subject.

      Joseph Mahoney: “It is also a fact you can raise your bodies ph to higher levels for about 10-15 days (without killing you or doing harm) and then allowing it to drop back to around 7-8.”

      Again you are showing your complete ignorance of the subject. If blood pH exceeds 7.8, which is below a pH of 8 that is the minimum you are talking about letting the pH drop to, death also occurs. When the blood becomes too alkaline the muscles start contracting, which is also why we pass out when we hyperventilate as I mentioned before.

      The hyperventilation blows off carbon dioxide decreasing carbonic acid levels leading to alkalosis. This causes the blood vessels to constrict, including those supplying the brain. The loss of blood flow to the brain causes the person to pass out. Respiration then slows or ceases temporarily to build carbonic acid levels back up to restore blood flow to the brain.

      This is also why controlled hyperventilation is used to reduce brain swelling. Swelling is the result of over dilation of blood vessels, which makes them permeable and thus allows fluid to leak in to the surrounding tissues. By doing controlled hyperventilation this causes the blood vessels supplying the brain to constrict so they stop leaking fluid, thus reducing the swelling.

      If a person over alkalizes their blood, raising the pH above 7.8 the person quickly dies as the muscles of the lung spasm so strongly as to cause the person to suffocate to death.

      Therefore, I can care less of what you think of my Feb. 15 post since apparently the only reason you did not like it is because you don’t have a clue how the body works and therefore failed to understand the facts presented.

      • Joseph mahoney says

        Not true…really don’t have time for a useless arguement. Again you speak of what you have been taught or read. Similar to Studies, surveys, etc. All of which can be manipulized to get the result your looking for. Facts, the bodies ph level can be raised higher tan youstate for a short period, then loweredto normal…I used an example between 7-8…7.4 is between correct?

        • James says

          Joseph,

          I speak on what is fact, not bogus propaganda like you are presenting.

          Joseph Mahoney: “Facts, the bodies ph level can be raised higher tan youstate for a short period, then loweredto normal…I used an example between 7-8…7.4 is between correct?”

          No, not correct. Here is your quote again:

          “It is also a fact you can raise your bodies ph to higher levels for about 10-15 days (without killing you or doing harm) and then allowing it to drop back to around 7-8.”

          So you clearly DO NOT state “between 7-8″. You CLEARY state “then allowing it to DROP BACK to around 7-8″. To “drop back” to at least 8 this would require the pH to be above 8 in the first place, which would be deadly even for a short period of time.

          By the way, 10-15 days is not a “short time”. I don’t know of a single person on Earth that go without breathing due to having a pH that high for 10-15 days. Do you? Unless you do then your claim of being able to raise the pH that high for that long without harm or death is an outright lie based on your clear lack of knowledge on the subject.

      • Joseph mahoney says

        Also…5.5 ph …obviously, not blood ph. Saliva and urine is just a simple test people can do to be healthier. Speaking of ignorance, must you pick apart every little detail rather than look at the fact some of your theories could be flawed?

        • James says

          Joseph,

          As pointed out salivary and urinary saliva are meaningless when it comes to measuring blood pH, which is what we are discussing when referring to health and pH.

          Salivary pH can change by doing as simple as brushing your teeth or thinking of a particular food. Salivary pH is also affected by the amount of saliva being produced at the time. Urinary pH can also be affected by a number of things that have nothing to do with blood pH such as urinary tract infection and the amount of water you are drinking.

          Therefore, if you want to discuss pH and health then stick to blood pH and its measurements and not inaccurate salivary or urinary pH measurements.

          • Joseph Mahoney says

            That’s the best you can do? I’m done here. However, with a bit of common sense and no manipulating the saliva or urine ph test by drinking or eating before testing. (everything has a specif method for testing, you should know that) Hmm which would be smilar to many inacurate testing,research, and surveys. A person can get a good understanding of what is happening within their bodies. Contrary to your beliefs, these two do have an effect on the body. Good day, it’s been a pleasure.

            • James says

              Joseph,

              How many times do I need to repeat the fact that salivary pH DOES NOT reflect blood pH whatsoever. Use some common sense and maybe try this simple experiment. Test your salivary pH first thing in the morning before eating, drinking or brushing. Then brush your teeth and then test your salivary pH again. It should rise for a very simple reason. During the night levels of acid producing bacteria in the mouth will rise as they multiply and there is less saliva to flush them away. So the salivary pH will be more acidic first thing in the morning. When you brush your teeth you are removing a lot of those acid forming bacteria so the salivary pH rises (more alkaline). Your blood pH has not changed at all, just the pH of the saliva because salivary pH has NO correlation to blood pH.

                • James says

                  Jospeph,

                  That is not manipualting the results. It is just a simple way to prove that salivary pH does not reflect blood pH as has been pointed out over and over.

                  Have you ever had your blood pH tested and tested your salivary pH at the same exact time? If you had then you would have found that they do not correlate with each other because salivary pH has nothing to do with blood pH. Same for urinary pH, which does not reflect blood or tissue pH as some claim.

  70. J. Han says

    Wow, just blew my whole sleep schedule reading all these comments. I am not a professional anything, just a person trying to find their way through the minefield of life. One thing I thought of as I kept reading about the sodium/acid comments was this. If people think that drinking baking soda/alkaline, is somehow going to be of great help to them, then since so many canned foods, processed foods are already so over brimming with them, you would think that the whole world would be free of cancer. Of course it is not. Their thoughts on this do not make very good sense at all.

    • James says

      What he is saying is still ridiculous. For example, claiming how the body has to be kept below baseline temperature to prevent oxidative damage. First of all the body needs to maintain its temperature in order to properly function. Many of our enzyme processes require sufficient body heat to function. In addition, the process of oxidation can be problematic if we lack antioxidant functioning, but at the same time oxidation also protects us from toxic compounds such as estrogenic substances that are broken down by oxidation. He is also overlooking the fact that we need free radicals to be healthy and survive:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZyiaJ11U_M

      The claim about the immune system being revved up during the day and decreasing at night in a crock as well. He does not think we are exposed to pathogens at night? Fact is that we are exposed to pathogens every second of the day, which is why our immune system is working every second of the day.

      And as I have explained numerous times salivary and urinary pH DO NOT reflect blood pH. The ONLY way to determine blood pH is with a blood test. I addressed this myth as well as many of the other alkaline myths here:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4773&pid=6988&mode=threaded

      In addition, the kidneys ARE NOT the main means of pH regulation. Respiration is. In fact he contradicts himself without realizing it when he talks about how we breathe on a CO2 (carbon dioxide) drive. The higher the CO2 in the blood the higher the carbonic acid level and CO2 and water in the blood combine to form the carbonic acid. Therefore, as acidity builds up in the blood we breath faster to reduce acidity. If we start becoming too alkaline respiration slows down to build the acidity back up.

      Even the host drinking the carbonated water will not really affect his blood pH for the same reason. First of all most of the carbon dioxide will be burped out. Any that gets absorbed will simply be utilized by the body as carbonic acid is ESSENTIAL for various processes in our body and any excess rapidly eliminated through increased respiration,

      Did you note where the host stated that when he used baking soda to try and alkalize that he said he started panting? There is a simple explanation for this that I just explained above. What is the byproduct of acid neutralization in the body by baking soda? Carbonic acid, which increases respiration. When people are given IV sodium bicarbonate in the hospital it is very important to monitor their blood pH as the sodium bicarbonate (“baking soda”) can cause rebound acidosis through this same exact mechanism.

      His claims about the fight or flight response are also very misleading. When in a stressful situation yes our respiration goes up, but it does this in response to a higher metabolic rate. Think about it, what are two of the parameters measured in a polygraph (“lie detector”) test? Heart rate and respiration. Unless a professional liar such as a politician, lawyer or car salesperson the heart rate and respiration will BOTH go up when telling a lie as this is a form of stress. As the heart rate goes up there is more demand for oxygen to supply the heart muscle, but then heart’s higher workload also produces more CO2 during energy production. Therefore, the respiration has to increase to both provide more oxygen and to reduce carbonic acid levels. Therefore, what Fowkes is overlooking is the fact that yes the increased respiration is blowing off CO2, but it is in response to increased CO2 in the first place maintaining that balance.

      If the person was blowing off too much CO2 as he is implying then the person would over alkalize the blood causing the blood vessels supplying oxygen to the brain to constrict causing the person to pass out. Respiration then slows or stops temporarily to build carbonic acid levels back up thus restoring blood flow to the brain.

      I have also explained the alkaline response that occurs from the ingestion of lemon juice. What Fowkes is overlooking is the fact that ALL foods stimulate this same alkaline response. This response has absolutely nothing to do with the alkaline ash. If that were the case then beef would be considered alkaline due to all the sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium in the meat, which are all alkaline. The alkaline response is from the pancreatic bicarbonate release that occurs when the acidic chyme leaves the stomach. Therefore, it does not matter if you are consuming meats, fruits, vegetables, junk foods or whatever you will still get the same exact alkaline response.

      And the cells do not release lactic acid. Cells release non-acidic lactate. The only cells in the body that release lactic acid are the acid forming bacteria that inhabit our bodies to help keep us healthy. The lactic acid myth was disproven over a decade ago.

      The claims about exercise and acidity and alkalinity are complete garbage as well. And Fowkes does not seem to understand the concept of “hitting the wall”, also known as “bonk” in bicycle racing. This has NOTHING to do with acidity or alkalinity. Hitting the wall refers to when the body uses up all of its normal energy stores. These are initially glycogen for a very short period of time and eventually the body’s fat stores, which are the most efficient fuel source. When these energy stores are used up the brain needs to be protected so any fuel being generated from other sources the brain gets priority over and the muscles start shutting down to leave the extra fuel for the brain. This is why so many major athletes carbo load, to build up their glycogen stores.

      In endurance athletes though studies have shown that the glycogen is only the primary fuel source for a short distance, then the body turns to the more efficient fatty acids as its primary fuel source conserving glycogen. A small amount of caffeine before a race will also help the body to burn fats and conserve glycogen since the caffeine and other xanthines block the enzyme cyclic adenosine monophosphate phosphodiesterase (cAMPPDE). By blocking cAMPPDE cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) is protected from breakdown allowing it to continue its one job of allowing brown adipose (fat) tissue to burn the white adipose tissue for energy. Same principle by which stimulant containing fat burners work. Coffee is not making the body alkaline as is being claimed.

      Nor is it true that the body is alkalizing with endurance exercise. Actually just the opposite, which is also very easy to prove. When we exercise heavy we need increased oxygen intake for two reasons. One, the muscles need more oxygen for increased energy production. But what is the byproduct of cellular energy production? Not lactic acid as is incorrectly claimed, but rather acidic hydrogen ions (protons). The non-acidic lactate that people often confuse with lactic acid is actually another primary fuel source for the muscles to help maintain the endurance. When we stop the heavy exercise though we continue to breathe heavily though despite the muscles no longer needing the increased oxygen for increased energy production. So why do we continue to breathe heavily? Because the increased oxygen helps remove the acidic protons. When the level of protons drops so does our respiration. If we alkalize during prolonged heavy exercise as claimed then how can we have a build up of acidic protons during exercise? Answer, we can’t. Again, the body does not alkalize during heavy exercise as was claimed. And again, the lactic acidosis myth during exercise was disproven over a decade ago.

      The host also made a mistake by stating the anti-inflammatory compounds in coffee like the polyphenols. These are actually antioxidant, not anti-inflammatory, acids found in coffee, tea, berries, etc. Coffee is not anti-inflammatory but rather pro-inflammatory. Let me explain the stimulatory effects of coffee first, then I will explain why coffee is pro-inflammatory.

      Coffee helps keep us awake in the short term through several mechanisms. First of all the xanthines in coffee, such as caffeine stimulate the release of highly stimulatory epinephrine (adrenaline) and alertness promoting and blood sugar raising cortisol from the adrenal glands. In addition, the caffeine blocks adenosine receptors that when activated would normally calm us.

      The adrenals are designed for short term use though during the fight or flight response. They are not designed to run for hours on end. Therefore, when we run our adrenals constantly on stimulants like coffee we actually crash our adrenal glands. When we crash our adrenal glands the stimulants will not cause the adrenals to release the small amount of epinephrine still in the adrenals, which is produced slowly, and then the person gets tired immediately. This is why so many people claim they can drink a cup of coffee and go right to sleep. They have crashed their adrenals with the regular use of stimulants.

      Crashing the adrenals also leads to inflammation in the body as the adrenals produce the body’s anti-inflammatory adrenocorticosteroids.

      The claims about the pH of urine in the morning are also misleading. One of the factors of urinary pH is simply the dilution of the acid in the urine. Just like the pH of any acid can be altered by dilution. When we are sleeping we are not drinking water and thus the acidity of the urine is increasing since we are ingesting less water to dilute the urine. Simple common sense. The urine is not acidic because the blood is acidic because the blood RARELY ever goes acidic.

      By the way, cesium is extremely dangerous to ingest. It has been shown to be a strong cancer causing agent

      Relative protection given by extract of Phyllanthus emblica fruit and an equivalent amount of vitamin C against a known clastogen–caesium chloride. Food Chem Toxicol 1992 Oct;30(10):865-9

      Inhibition of clastogenic effects of cesium chloride in mice in vivo by chlorophyllin. Toxicol Lett 1991 Jun;57(1):11-7

      Comparative efficacy of chlorophyllin in reducing cytotoxicity of some heavy metals. Biol Met 1991;4(3):158-61

      Modification of cesium toxicity by calcium in mammalian system. Biol Trace Elem Res 1991 Nov;31(2):139-45

      Cytogenetic damage induced in vivo to mice by single exposure to cesium chloride. Environ Mol Mutagen 1991;18(2):87-91

      Clastogenic effects of cesium chloride on mouse bone marrow cells in vivo. Mutat Res 1990 Aug;244(4):295-8

      And can have detrimental effects on the heart:

      Cesium toxicity: a case of self-treatment by alternate therapy gone awry. Ther Drug Monit 2003 Feb;25(1):114-6

      Acquired long QT syndrome secondary to cesium chloride supplement. J Altern Complement Med 2006 Dec;12(10):1011-4

      Acquired long QT syndrome and monomorphic ventricular tachycardia after alternative treatment with cesium chloride for brain cancer. Mayo Clin Proc 2004 Aug;79(8):1065-9

      Polymorphic ventricular tachycardia in a woman taking cesium chloride. Pacing Clin Electrophysiol 2001 Apr;24(4 Pt 1):515-7

      Life-threatening Torsades de Pointes resulting from “natural” cancer treatment. Clin Toxicol (Phila) 2009 Jul;47(6):592-4

      Torsades de pointes – a report of a case induced by caesium taken as a complementary medicine, and the literature review. J Clin Pharm Ther 2013 Jun;38(3):254-7

      Cesium-induced QT-interval prolongation in an adolescent. Pharmacotherapy 2008 Aug;28(8):1059-65

      Cesium chloride-induced torsades de pointes. Can J Cardiol 2009 Sep;25(9):e329-31

      Cesium chloride induced ventricular arrhythmias in dogs: three-dimensional activation patterns and their relation to the cesium dose applied. Basic Res Cardiol 2000 Apr;95(2):152-62.

      Cesium-induced atrial tachycardia degenerating into atrial fibrillation in dogs: atrial torsades de pointes? J Cardiovasc Electrophysiol 1998 Sep;9(9):970-5

      Spontaneous, electrically, and cesium chloride induced arrhythmia and afterdepolarizations in the rapidly paced dog heart. Pacing Clin Electrophysiol 2001 Apr;24(4 Pt 1):474-85

      And liver:

      The high pH therapy for cancer tests on mice and humans. Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1984;21 Suppl 1:1-5

        • Claire says

          @ Mr Paleo
          this is a site for the general public as well as those with more advanced knowledge. If you find it beneath you then you should consider joining another forum to be around those of your advanced standing.

          • MR PALEO says

            Claire,

            You can take offense at my comment, if you wish, but how many times do we have to explain that blood pH is held in a very tight range, and the idea of “body pH” is a non-sequitur?

      • Claire says

        thank you James for responding and taking the time to share your knowledge, it’s appreciated here.
        I will go over their radio show again and follow your response and try to make sense of it all.
        thank you

  71. James says

    Never heard of him so I looked up the video and it is nearly 50 minutes long so I am not going to sit and watch it.

    Bottom line is that the body already maintains its pH in a very tight range since excess alkalinity or excess acidity can be deadly. Therefore, you cannot really force the pH either way safely. And trying to do so just stresses the body more as it has to work harder to try and counter the dangerous shift in the pH.

    In addition, many alkalizers, such as baking soda, antacids and alkaline waters will neutralize the stomach acid, which can lead to all sorts of health issues including an increased risk of infection, heart disease and cancer.

    If someone wants a great example of over alkalinity just hyperventilate. Hyperventilation will alkalize the blood quickly as it decreases carbonic acid levels. And what happens when you do this? You pass out because we need the carbonic acid to maintain dilation of the blood vessels. Therefore, the excess alkalinity causes the blood vessels to constrict, including around the brain. The reduced blood supply to the brain causes us to pass out. Respiration temporarily stops or slows down to build up the carbonic acid levels restoring blood flow to the brain.

  72. Claire says

    totally confused now about alkaline/acid balance. Just been listening to BulletProof Executive podcast #94 with Steven Fowkes ‘Hacking you pH’. any feedback from anyone?

  73. Ellen says

    Is it your belief, then, since diet can not change the body’s PH, that the baking soda/molasses attempt to kill cancer cells is not possible?

    • James says

      Hi Ellen,

      Correct, it will not work. Keep in mind that cancer cells already have a more alkaline pH than healthy cells. They need this high alkalinity to survive and thrive. This is why cancer cells export the acidic hydrogen ions produced by energy production in to the external matrix so they can maintain that highly alkaline pH. Research has shown that when cancer cells are blocked from exporting these ions the cancer cells become acidic killing them. The whole alkalizing to kill cancer cells is just another myth.

      Even using a little common sense the whole concept does not make sense. The idea claimed is that the molasses provides sugar that the cancer cells thrive on. So the sugar is supposedly used to draw the alkaline baking soda in to the cells. If cancer cells already have a high affinity for sugar, particularly glucose, then why would we need the molasses at all? Glucose is abundant in the body, even if we supposedly cut out sugars from our diet since the body can produce glucose from various sources including glycogen, amino acids fats and lactate. Therefore,even if this principle was sound then the molasses would not be needed since the body’s own glucose would do the same job.

      Using more common sense, if we ingest baking soda the baking soda will react with the stomach acid neutralizing both the stomach acid and the baking soda unless you dangerously overwhelm the stomach acid. Even at that how much, if any of the baking soda could ever remain intact to get inside the cancer cells considering all the other neutralizing acids the baking soda would encounter in the blood, including the acidic ions exported by the cancer cells in to the external matrix.

      So the baking soda is not going to make any difference as the internal pH of cancer cells. But neutralizing the stomach acid can lead to all sorts of problems including nutritional deficiencies, which kill the vast majority of cancer patients, and immune suppression, which is also a very bad idea for someone with cancer.

      In addition, molasses is high in iron that can also be a major problem for cancer patients. Iron is essential for many pathogenic microbes to flourish. Secondly, excess free iron is known to promote oxidative damage promoting cancer and in general promoting cancer cell growth, See:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8664805

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1381934

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19018762

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12678675

      Bottom line is that both the attempting to alkalize with baking soda and the iron from the molasses can be detrimental to a cancer patient.

  74. MR PALEO says

    James,

    Absolutely correct. I did not bring up NSAIDS because I would hope her nephrologist would know this. As for “molecular recognition”, there are other factors such as “handedness” that could play a role. I do my best to keep my scientific “verbiage” to a minimum when replying to someone on a blog, as most do not have our background and understanding of medicine, biochemistry, and physiology. I have offered to continue our discussion “off-site”. I am also on LinkedIn… Arnold Wiseman

    • Teresa says

      Thanks for your valuable comments and for the link. I have emailed the authors, I hope they are willing to disclose some information about the diet they are testing.
      My husband and I had come to the conclusion of eating more healthy fats to replace the carbs when we switched to the paleo diet. We buy most of our meat, butter, and eggs at the farmers market, but recently I started worrying that excess fat could also damage my kidneys. The thing is that my doctor also told me that animal fats could be harmful to the kidneys. But he hasn’t been able to explain me why and we haven’t found any scientific evidence showing that saturated fat could impair kidney function.
      I believe that having eliminated grains, legumes and all kinds of processed foods from my diet, is already having a very positive impact in my health that might even delay the onset of renal failure (if it ever happens). The inflammatory response is certainly very harmful to the kidneys!
      So for now I will follow your recommendation on keeping the protein low but increasing the fats, until a good scientific study proves the opposite… Thank you again!

      • MR PALEO says

        Teresa,

        I have no knowledge as to why your doctor would indicate that “fats” are harmful to the kidneys, since the liver is primarily responsible for fat metabolism once the small intestine breaks down it down…
        There are several possibilities where altered kidney function is involved. I would recommend both genetic testing and testing for heavy metals, etc…

      • James says

        Fats are not going to directly affect the kidneys since they are not excreted through the kidneys. And a little inflammation is not necessarily harmful to the kidneys. Actually the opposite.

        I know this sounds weird, but to understand what I am saying you need to understand the process of inflammation. In short, when there is irritation or damage to tissues hormones known as prostaglandins (PGE) are released. PGE dilates blood vessels to increase oxygen and nutrients to the tissues to promote healing of the tissues. If the blood vessels over dilate though they become permeable and the blood vessels leak fluid in to the surrounding tissues leading to the swelling and pain.

        Countering these prostaglandins is actually more dangerous to the kidneys because this decreases blood flow to the kidneys and can even cause the blood supply to completely cut off to the kidneys leading to kidney failure. As I mentioned in my previous post I know of 4 people who developed kidney failure after taking a single recommended dose of the prostaglandin inhibitor ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, Nuprin, etc.).

        In addition, to help heal tissues prostaglandins also stimulate the release of angiogenesis growth factors (AGFs) such as vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF). AGFs stimulate blood vessel formation in damaged tissues to help promote the healing process within the tissues by allowing more oxygen and nutrients to reach the injured site.

        So some inflammation can actually increase the blood supply to the kidneys helping the kidneys to function better and to promote healing.

        The inflammation with the kidney disease would more likely be a result of the injury, not the cause of the injury.

  75. Teresa says

    Hi. I have an hereditary kidney disease (ADPKD) and although my kidneys are still working 100%, my Nephrologist was concerned about my stubbornness of following a paleo-diet instead of a vegetarian diet. He gave me ph strips to check my urine and I got worried when I found out that my urine’s ph is usually acid. Happy to learn that that just means my kidneys are working fine! But that said, how harmful can animal protein really be to kidneys? Does animal protein itself could accelerate the renal failure when there is an existing condition?
    Also, two of my siblings are at about 50% renal function and their doctors have recommended to decrease considerably their intake of animal protein. When and how exactly does animal protein impair renal function? I recognize that this is a complicated topic, but most Nephrologists seem to praise the intake of grains and legumes above animal protein and fat and I am having a hard time finding arguments against that. All the paleo gurus are so focused in Diabetes, Heart disease and Cancer that no one talks about Kidney disease.
    Thanks a lot!

    • MR PALEO says

      Teresa,

      To quote the “Paleo Doc”,.. “The first step in a diet for people with chronic kidney disease is to make sure you don’t eat too much protein. Protein intake in the Standard American Diet (S.A.D.) 15% of total calories consumed while Paleo folks consume 20% to 30% of their calories from protein. This is way too much protein for someone with kidney disease. Although there is still some debate on the benefits of a low protein diet in kidney disease, it appears prudent to limit the amount of protein consumed to 0.6 to 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight.”

      • MR PALEO says

        Teresa,

        Just so I am clear, I am NOT a doctor, and as you state, have had very little exposure to kidney disease, per se. Having said that, I personally would choose NOT to revert to consuming grains if I was diagnosed with a medical condition of any sort… but that is just me.

        • Teresa says

          Thanks for your reply. The thing is, 0.6 to 0.8 grams of protein would be in my case one can of tuna a day, for example. What should I replace the extra protein with so I am not starving? It is almost as if I would have to be vegan for 2 meals a day (assuming I could) and eat animal protein in the third meal only. I do appreciate your advice, don’t take me wrong, but it is easier said than done. I agree that there is strong evidence against including grains in the diet, but I wish the evidence against protein intake in chronic kidney disease was equally convincing and offered real alternatives.

          • MR PALEO says

            Teresa,

            There is a common misunderstanding that PALEO means HIGH PROTEIN… this is incorrect, it is HIGH SATURATED FAT… and this is what I would add to your diet for satiation… particularly items like organic butter and coconut, sour cream and yoghurt (full-fat/organic), etc. As far as I know (you might want to double check with your physician), tubers should be ok also… perhaps you can slowly increase the overall protein (meat) with non-meat sources such as whey, hemp, etc., without causing problems with your situation. I am curious, have you had testing for genetic markers and food intolerances ?

            • MR PALEO says

              Teresa,
              The journal BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine published a study that evaluated the antioxidant activity of the oral application of oil palm leaves extract (OPLE) in mice with diabetes. Just 4 weeks after administering a relatively high dose in the animals, scientists observed that OPLE began to improve kidney dysfunction and fibrosis, which are commonly associated with diabetic neuropathy.
              You may wish to consider adding cold-pressed, organic palm oil to your diet. A word of warning however, REAL palm oil has a VERY distinct taste that many westerners do not care for…

    • James says

      It does not matter the protein source, high protein is hard on the kidneys regardless. The reason I say “protein source” is because a lot of people do not realize that not only do plants contain protein, they can contain significantly more protein than animal protein. For example. beef is 22% protein while fish is 24% protein. On the other hand plant pollen is 30% protein while chlorella is 60% protein.

      The risk to the kidneys comes from the uric acid formed from the breakdown of the amino acids. Amino acids are ammonia based. As the ammonia is released the ammonia is highly alkaline and super toxic to the body. To protect the body the ammonia reacts with carbonic acid to form uric acid. Normally uric acid is hydrolyzed and passed safely through the kidneys and intestines. If someone eats high protein though and does not drink enough water to properly hydrolyze the uric acid the uric acid will pass through the kidneys as very sharp crystals cutting up the kidney tissue.

      Keep in mind that many people go way overboard on their protein intake. A person can only utilize about 3 ounces of protein daily. Even major athletes will only utilize maybe 3 1/2 ounces of protein daily. Taking anything beyond that does not increase muscle mass as some believe, it is just waste. And again, the body has to spend more energy to deal with first converting the toxic ammonia in to uric acid then hydrolyzing the uric acid for safe passage.

      Americans tend to have a higher percentage of kidney disease in part due to the high protein consumption and lack of water intake. Although, there are other causes such as the hereditary conditions, high blood pressure and insulin damage in diabetics.

      • MR PALEO says

        James,

        While I respect your knowledge and apparent experience, there has been some debate in recent years if this is actually the case… referencing that the human body processes plant and animal protein identically… new studies are conflicted in this area. You might want to look into this on your own. There are also other potential factors that may contribute to “kidney disease”, and we don’t know everything. I tend to err on the side of caution…

        arnold

        • James says

          There are chemical differences between animal and plant protein sources such as their fatty acid profile. But the body cannot differentiate between an amino acid such as tryptophan from a plant versus tryptophan from an animal source. The tryptophan from both sources is chemically identical. And since the amino acids are the source of the uric acid that can lead to the kidney damage that is what I am focusing on in my statement and not the other compounds such as the fatty acids.

          As for other potential factors involved in kidney disease, yes I pointed that out in my last post and gave some examples. One I did forget to mention that is a fairly common cause is the use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs that include aspirin, ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, Nuprin, etc), naproxen (Aleve), celecoxib (Celebrex), etc. NSAIDs work by constricting blood vessels, which can shut off the blood supply to critical organs. Therefore, known side effects of NSAIDs include kidney failure, liver failure, heart attack and stroke. Contrary to popular belief these DO NOT require long term use nor an overdose. I know of 4 people who developed kidney failure after taking a single recommended dose of ibuprofen. And there were 2 dozen deaths from ibuprofen induced hepatitis that occurred during clinical trials of ibuprofen.

  76. Que Trac says

    Hi, all. Reading the two-part posts have left me more confused than ever. First of all, I am not of the medical field nor of the chemistry field, but of a different science field; thus, I can only draw conclusions based on the perspective and evidence provided by the writer. I have read quite a lot of articles in regard to this topic of alkaline forming diet theory and so far, I think I can conclude for the following ideas below:

    (1) From what I learned, everyone has a chance of forming cancer. That chance will rise or drop depending on lots of factors like the age of the person, the health of the person (in term of their immune system), exposure to radiation, etc. Since the immune system is in charge of fighting most of the diseases, I would assume that it will be the main standing point for all cancers. If it is weaken (like in the case of acidity), cancer would likely to thrive much easier than if it isn’t.
    (2) An imbalance in the body’s pH often lead to lots of health problems such as hormone level, kidney problems, low energy, immune deficiency, acnes, etc.
    (3) Foods and drinks should affect the body’s pH in some ways or forms. While our body has lots of regulating functions, there must be some external factors that would cause our body’s pH to change. If not, our body’s pH level would stay in the nominal range for the majority of the time. Since we typically can’t control much of our exposure to the environment, the only thing we can control would be what we eat or drink.
    (4) Alkaline and acid balance diet is a common practice for Cantonese speaking people and Chinese herbalists.

    Apart from those ideas mentioned, I am still at a lost on how foods affect our body. For starter, one would speculate that high pH foods and drinks would make the body higher pH, but most articles indicate otherwise. They state that eating more alkaline forming foods and drinks would achieve this goal; yet, what confuses me is how lemon and lime being such a low pH would end up being alkaline forming.

    Then I learned about the buffer system and kidney involvement in the link below, which lost me on how food would even affect the pH level while these are in the work:

    http://drbenkim.com/ph-body-blood-foods-acid-alkaline.htm

    After reading these posts here, I think I need some good clarification, which bought me to here writing this comment given that lots of people here are somewhat understanding the work of our body.

    • MR PALEO says

      Que Teac, et al…

      James and I have explained that there is no such thing as “body” pH… you have numerous “ph’s” in your body at the same time… blood, urine, tissue, stomach, colon, bile, CS fluid, semen, etc… there is no such thing as ONE acid/alkaline balance… this is a COMPLETE misnomer.

      • Que Trac says

        Oh, sorry about the confusion. I should have mentioned that “body” pH refers to blood’s pH level since blood’s pH level should be a good representation of your body’s overall health. Still, my question remains to be unanswered.

        • MR PALEO says

          Que Trac,

          FYI, blood pH is held within a VERY narrow range, or you’re dead… so I don’t see how it is an indicator of “health”… so, what EXACTLY, is your question ?

          • Que Trac says

            Thank you so much for that information. It allows me to search for answers to most of the questions I had, so I am done with my questions for now.

            I just found out that the word(s) I should be using is called “acidosis” or “alkalosis”. It is extreme case of pH imbalance in the blood, so it is possible for the blood to be off the nominal range and the source is our long term diet.

            Even though the pH level of food and drink don’t affect much in term of pH level in the blood, they do affect the amount of fats we have in our body. Eating too much acidic foods and/or drinking too much acidic drink, for instance, would lead to gained fat that can’t be excreted from our body. As these stored fats accumulate over time, it would bring upon a lot of complications such as acidosis and alkalosis. Obesity problem would, in turn, mean a higher risk of cancer for people as well. Thus, it explains why alkaline forming diet would typically lead to be a better health and why many people draw the connection of diet and pH balancing even though diet has an indirect connection to pH balancing.

            • James says

              Again, acidosis or alkalosis are EXTREMELY rare.

              And again, diet plays virtually no direct effect on pH of the body.

              The accumulation of body fat DOES NOT cause acidosis or alkalosis. As stated many times the body’s main means of pH regulation is respiration. We continue to breathe regardless of how much body fat we have and thus our respiration maintains our pH regardless of how much body fat we have.

              • Que Trac says

                First of all, sorry that I missed reading your post; it was a separate comment rather than a reply. And thank you for pointing out most of the flaws in my statements. It has allowed me to fully understand the whole confusion now.

                The whole problem starts with this confusion: When someone tell you are “too acidic”, you are supposed to eat more alkaline forming foods. When someone tell you are “too alkaline”, you are supposed to eat more acidic forming foods. In reality, being “too acidic” supposed to mean “not enough acid” (or hypochlorhydria) and being “too alkaline” supposed to mean “not enough alkaline”; thus, when you are “too acidic”, you are supposed to eat more acidic foods or alkaline forming foods to balance out the pH imbalance in the stomach. The stomach needs to be within pH level of 1.5 to 3.5 to digest properly. When you are “too acidic”, it means that you eat too much alkaline foods (e.g. junk foods) for your stomach to be able to digest. Thus, it would explain why drinking acidic fluids like lemon or lime helps with digesting. On the other hand, if nothing is done to help the stomach with the digestion, waste acid would be drained from the bowel to balance out the pH level. This will lead to the experience of burping, bloating, heartburn, and if worse, GERD. Fortunately, if you are “too alkaline” meaning that you eat too much acidic foods, your stomach can easily balance the pH level with the help of pancreas and gallbladder.

                Going back to the “too acidic” problem, as a result of the waste acid being drained from the bowel, most of the nutrients absorption that supposed to occur in the small intestine doesn’t occur. Over time, this causes malnutrition, which will in turn leads to inefficiency of acid excretion. Excess acid would cause the pH level of blood to drop. Of course, to maintain normal operation for the blood, each part of the body would have to make up for the changes in pH level just to keep pH level of blood within the right level. Depending on which part of the body is making up for the changes, negative symptoms would appear in that area. Acnes, for example, would mostly likely occur when the skin cells become acidic. And the skin cells become acidic due to the fact it is making up the changes in pH level in blood. Thus, your body works around the pH level of blood.

                That explains why blood acidosis or alkalosis are EXTREMELY rare. Your body would have adapted to the changes before you are able to measure it. Going back to the main question at hand “does food affect pH level?”, the answer is “yes and no”. Food doesn’t affect pH level directly, but it does indirectly through a chain of problems later on.

    • James says

      “From what I learned, everyone has a chance of forming cancer.”

      Yes, just like everyone has the chance to be struck by lightening, but this does not mean it is going to happen.

      “Since the immune system is in charge of fighting most of the diseases, I would assume that it will be the main standing point for all cancers.”

      Actually no. Cancer cells have several mechanisms developed that make it extremely difficult for the body to detect the cancer. If they were readily detected by the immune system they would be destroyed as the first cancer cells start to develop

      “If it is weaken (like in the case of acidity), cancer would likely to thrive much easier than if it isn’t.”

      The immune system is not weakened by acidity. If anything it would be weakened by excess alkalinity since 1. Most pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment. 2. The immune system is reliant on acids such as ascorbic acid to function properly.

      Furthermore, studies have proven that cancer cells are highly alkaline and excess alkalinity of healthy cells morphs the healthy cells in to cancer cells.

      People need to keep in mind though that excess alkalinity and excess acidity are extremely rare since the body maintains such a tight pH control

      “An imbalance in the body’s pH often lead to lots of health problems such as hormone level, kidney problems, low energy, immune deficiency, acnes, etc.”

      Excess acidity again is extremely rare and has basically nothing to do with most diseases. In the case of kidney problems an excess of uric acid can cause kidney problems, but excess alkalinity of the urine can also cause kidney problems.

      “Foods and drinks should affect the body’s pH in some ways or forms.”

      As explained so many times food and drinks have virtually no direct effect on pH.

      “While our body has lots of regulating functions, there must be some external factors that would cause our body’s pH to change. If not, our body’s pH level would stay in the nominal range for the majority of the time.”

      The body’s main means of pH regulation is respiration. If the body starts becoming acidic respiration increases to reduce acidity. If the body starts becoming too alkaline then respiration slows to build of acidity.

      “Alkaline and acid balance diet is a common practice for Cantonese speaking people and Chinese herbalists.”

      Says who? I have been studying herbalism for decades including Chinese herbalism and have NEVER seen anything about pH balance being brought up by traditional Chinese herbalists.

      “Apart from those ideas mentioned, I am still at a lost on how foods affect our body. For starter, one would speculate that high pH foods and drinks would make the body higher pH, but most articles indicate otherwise.”

      Again, foods and drinks do not really affect pH directly. All foods and drinks are made acidic in the stomach, then alkalized in the intestines and finally end up metabolized in to beneficial acids for the body.

      “what confuses me is how lemon and lime being such a low pH would end up being alkaline forming.”

      Simple, ALL foods and drinks are made acidic in the stomach. Then as the chyme leaves the stomach the pancreas releases alkaline sodium bicarbonate to neutralize the acid in the chyme to protect the intestines. This is the so-called “alkaline response”. It does not matter if you ingest lemon juice, cake, steak, pie, spinach, fruit, candy bars or whatever, you will still cause this same alkaline response. So the claims that lemon juice is one of the few foods that cause an alkaline response is misleading. All foods will cause the same alkaline response.

      “Then I learned about the buffer system and kidney involvement in the link below, which lost me on how food would even affect the pH level while these are in the work:

      http://drbenkim.com/ph-body-blood-foods-acid-alkaline.htm

      Because food has virtually no direct influence on pH. Again, respiration is the body’s main means of pH control, not diet.

  77. Dominique says

    Look up Dr. Sebi
    He has helped people cure themselves of many diseases with an alkaline diet and other principles, including AIDS, Herpes, Cancer…. and well you will find out – when you do the research. I think the author of this post should look this up as well. I am sure he has the best interest of his readership in mind.

    • James says

      Sounds like you took that information straight from his sales site. Problem is that there is no evidence to back the claims.

      From reading his product site I see he also claims that all diseases stem from acidity, which is blatantly false. In fact, most pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment. And cancer cells have a more alkaline pH than healthy cells since an acidic internal pH rapidly kills cancer cells. Therefore, this casts doubts on his other claims as well.

  78. Jane says

    Hi, I have found the post very interesting, however lacking in scientific evidence to support the claims by referencing “observational studies” – any academic knows this simply lacks credibility and is straight out embarrassing. I note the “observational studies” were referred to when it came to the reason why alkaline diets don’t work.

    Further, the writer makes a comment about clinical trials being the appropriate, then why embarrass yourself and refer to observational studies.

    The writer has made some good points, but the truth is, nutrient devoid foods is what is causing illness and disease. When you understand biochemistry of the human body, and understand that water, vitamins and minerals and proteins including animal proteins are essential to health.

    pH is essential to health and I have seen the changes in people who adopt these principles.

    • James says

      For someone who believes so much in the scientific process I am very surprised that you are ignoring so much proven science. For example, the fact that diet has virtually no influence on the blood pH of the body.

      Then there is the vague claim of “nutrient devoid foods causing illness and disease”. That may be the case is some rare cases such as scurvy or beriberi, but they do not account for the majority of illnesses or diseases.

      If someone really understands the biochemistry of the human body then they will also know that not only is the body composed primarily of various acid compounds, but also the fact that cellular energy production is also dependent on acids (citric, malic, pyruvic).

      People get so hung up on the alkalize for health myth. The body regulates its pH tightly regardless of what you eat and there is no such thing as a truly acid or alkaline food.

      All foods are made acidic in the stomach then the chyme alkalized in the intestines. From there the fibers and digestive byproducts are metabolized further in acids in the long run.

      The whole alkaline food myth is based on the ash content of food, which does not take in to account the naturally occurring acids in the foods, nor their acidic byproducts from metabolism. That is really bad science.

    • MR PALEO says

      Jane, et al,

      The “positive results” observed by people when the diet is altered, is usually due to the ELIMINATION of a causative agent(s). This is typical of nonsense diets like the blood-type, the alkaline diet, and others of that ilk… and can often be relatively short-lived. The human digestive system is far more complex than scientists had really understood, until recently…and doesn’t “modify” itself according to what we wish to believe…

  79. PJane says

    Thank you! I have been taking tablets! I bought a magnesium lotion a while back, but thought I didn’t need it because of the tablets.

    I will switch to the time released and start using the mg lotion. I didn’t know the locations on the body mattered, but I will try your suggestions.

    Can you say more about hyperparathyroidism?

    • James says

      Hyperparathyroidism is simply overactive parathyroid glands. The most common reason for hyperparathyroidism are benign tumors of the parathyroid glands that cause the parathyroid glands to secrete excess parathyroid hormone (PTH). PTH in turn releases calcium from the bones leading to increased serum calcium. These benign tumors are relatively common, and are believed to result from insufficient levels of active D3.

      Keep in mind that simply getting sunlight or ingesting vitamin D from food or supplements does not guarantee sufficient levels of active D3. Plants and milk contain inactive D2. This can be converted in to inactive D3 if the liver is functioning properly, then in to active D3 if the kidneys are functioning properly. Supplements contain either inactive D2 or inactive D3, both of which need to be converted in to active D3.

      The parathyroid glands will also release PTH in response to low serum calcium and perceived low calcium.

      In the later case this would be pseudohyperparathyroidism. In this case there is a perceived low calcium state due to an increase in serum phosphorus. When the phosphorus levels are excessive the there is an imbalance between the calcium-phosphorus ratio. This is perceived as low calcium by the parathyroid glands. Therefore, in response the parathyroid glands release PTH to release calcium from the bones to balance out the calcium-phosphorus ratio.

      Common sources of excess phosphorus consumption include red meats, dairy and colas.

      And again I want to clarify that the loss of bone calcium results in osteopenia and osteomalacia, not osteoporosis. Osteoporosis results from the loss of collagen matrix, not mineral loss. The most common causes of collagen loss or deficiencies of silica and/or vitamin C.

  80. MR PALEO says

    PJane,

    There are many variables concerning low Mg…
    One of the most critical is the lack of bio-available Mg in our soils… no Mg in the soil, no Mg in the plants we (and our animals) consume…
    Mg is best supplemented in the diet with time-release capsules (NOT tablets), and externally applied Mag chloride.
    Women should apply from just below the breasts to just above the pubic bone, men on shoulders and upper back, right before bedtime.

  81. PJane says

    I want to thank you for this article about the alkaline diet and the science (or lack of science) behind it. Unfortunately, it’s easy for a layperson, such as myself, to get lost trying to follow the evidence (or lack of…).

    I was having severe headaches – or one perpetual headache – for months. I saw four different doctors, was given many different meds, had several different tests, suffered injections…nothing helped. I even had my mother move in with me! I was hurting.

    Finally, I stumbled upon an article about magnesium deficiency and headaches. Started supplements. Glory halleluiah. I was just thankful. Days later – I was mad. Why didn’t any doctor think to tell me this?

    Now I take magnesium daily and when I forget for any length of time, head pain reminds me. Eventually, I wanted to know, Why am I deficient in magnesium? Which brought me to an alkaline diet.

    A myriad of ailment subsided and I dropped significant weight early on. However, started having cramps in my calves. I went off the diet, went back to eating meat and drinking milk, and the cramps went away. So did the inflammation and blah, blah, blah.

    I returned to the alkaline diet but made sure I got plenty of calcium. The cramps returned, I went off the alkaline…inflammation returned. I was starting to feel crazy.

    I want to do what is best for my body! I want to be educated. I read your article and it gave me permission to think about the fact that maybe omitting bread, sugar, milk, and processed stuff made me feel better…and that had nothing to do with ph levels.

    Thank you again for the information.

    If you can say something about the causes of magnesium deficiency, I would be grateful.

    • James says

      I can see part of your problem is where you said “but made sure I got plenty of calcium”. Most people do not realize that calcium is a muscle contractor and magnesium is a muscle relaxant. The reason magnesium works for migraines and tension headaches is because the magnesium works as a calcium channel blocker (CCB), or put more simply a calcium antagonist. See these:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=387

      Same reason IV magnesium is used to treat the severe hypertension associated with preeclampsia in hospital settings. So the principle of magnesium acting like a natural CCB is known by doctors, but there is no incentive for them to recommend magnesium over the pharmaceuticals the doctors get kickbacks on or are invested in to.

      By antagonizing the action of calcium the magnesium allows the muscles, including blood vessels, to relax. This relaxes the muscles in the neck to prevent tension headaches and prevents the initial blood vessel contraction that are the onset of migraines.

      Although there is no real such thing as an “alkaline diet” the foods generally promoted in this diet tend to be high in magnesium, which again relaxes muscles by antagonizing calcium.

      If you taking extra calcium you could have caused a calcium-magnesium imbalance since they are antagonistic to each other. High serum calcium can cause high blood pressure, constipation, mental fogginess and muscle spasms/cramping.

      Why your diet in meat and dairy helped is unclear since these actually promote inflammation due to the increased intake of pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid. There is obviously a lot more to your health issues that has not been presented. For example, you mentioned that you started feeling better after losing the weight. Maybe a lot of your issues were due to having a diabetic or pre-diabetic state, or the pain was in the joints being irritated by the extra weight.

      There could have also been something else in your previous diet contributing such as if you were consuming too much phosphorus, which can cause cramping due to pseudohyperparathyroidism. Or you were not getting enough vitamin D in your “alkaline diet” leading to cramping from hyperparathyroidism, which is often caused by benign parathyroid tumors believed to be caused by a lack of vitamin D.

      The drop in inflammation when going back to meat may have to do with the kinds of meat you are consuming as well. As where meats provide the inflammatory omega 6 fatty acid arachidonic acid, if the meat you were primarily consuming may have also been rich in anti-inflammatory omega 3 fatty acids. For example, deep cold water fish are high in anti-inflammatory omega 3s.

      Magnesium deficiencies can occur for different reasons. Digestive or absorption disorders, form of magnesium being ingested, consumption of processed carbohydrates or alcohol, etc.

      • PJane says

        Wow!
        You have no idea how enlightening this is! I have always been a dairy freak! Which, thanks to you, now easily explains the calcium magnesium imbalance.

        The lack of vitamin D is likely an issue. I’ve been in a windowless classroom for years and then moved to Seattle.

        My words must have twisted in meaning, because when I returned to eating regardless of alkaline my cramping lessened. However, the inflammation did come back. I now understand about the omega differences and will pay attention to that.

        Can’t thank you enough.

  82. James says

    You are right that we do not need to consume large amounts of protein. The body can only utilize roughly 90 grams of protein a day. Even major athletes can only utilize a tiny amount more. So these athletes who are loading up on protein thinking they are going to build muscle are fooling themselves. Taking excess protein will only make the body work harder trying to deal with the metabolites of the amino acids from the protein. This starts with the highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia, which is then converted in to uric acid. Uric acid is a primary antioxidant for the body, but is problematic in excess so the body has to hydrolyze the excess uric acid to safely pass it through the urine and feces. It does not matter if the amino acid comes from meat or plants though, they will all be metabolized in the same manner.

    What a lot of people do not realize is that plants also contain proteins, and in some cases can contain more protein than meats.

    Also, there is no real alkaline or acid food. This myth is based on the ash analysis of foods, which does not take in to account the naturally occurring acids within the plants, nor the acids formed from their metabolism.

    And no, diet plays virtually no role in pH regulation. Respiration is the body’s main method of pH regulation. And there are still various other mechanisms the body uses beyond respiration that the body uses to maintain pH.

    Asian women on a traditional Asian diet do not go through menopausal symptoms, but this has nothing to do with the supposed pH of diets. The traditional Asian diet is rich in phytoestrogens that have a weak estrogenic effect, but block the effects of stronger estrogens. Therefore, they have a balancing effect on the hormones and help support bone health.

    Dairy is not good for bones at all. The protein from milk blocks calcium absorption, but not the absorption of phosphorus. The increased absorption of phosphorus leads to the development of pseudohyperparathyroidism. In response the parathyroid glands release parathyroid hormone leading to the loss of bone calcium. This results in osteomalacia or osteopenia, not osteoporosis, which is a loss of collagen matrix instead of bone minerals.

  83. Emilie says

    I am not an expert but of what I understand the alkaline diet does not say that we should eat very little protein. We should eat reasonable amount of proteins at every meal but it is very important to combine it with alcaline based foods like salads and vegetables that will balance the acidity. I think it is a matter of proportion. If for example you are an athlete and need to consume a little more proteins you should not forget to eat lots of salads too, to balance the acidity.

    I am not a scientist and don’t know if our diet can really affect acidity levels in our blood, but I think that at the end of the day it is all about balance. I have personally observed that eating too many animal proteins is not good for me by many aspects. Of what I understand the animal proteins produce toxins in your organism that if consumed in excess intoxicate your body, tiring your organs especially liver that tries to process them and eliminate them, leading to several health problems. This toxins can be neutralized by consuming lots of vegetables and fruits.

    Proteins are good to consume in reasonable amounts and are essential to built muscle, energy and strength (the reasonable depending on your age, activity and any particular health condition) but it is very important to alternate the sources of proteins with fish and also vegetable proteins (different kind of beans, lentils and other high protein vegetables) which many people often forget.

    The Mediterranean diet is ideal for that which includes many vegetarian dishes that are high in proteins (lentils, beans, chickpeas) as alternative to meat dishes.Also It is known that Japanese nutrition is also very healthy which includes lots of fish and vegetables.
    An article that I read was saying that asiatic women ( I think especially Chinese and Japanese) did not have menopause syndrome ( which includes osteoporosis) until the western way of eating was introduced into their culture (much higher in animal proteins especially dairy products). Despite the fact that in the Western culture they advise us to consume a lot of dairy products as the ultimate food that will keep our bones strong, we still have big rates of osteoporosis and other bone diseases.

  84. MRPALEO says

    I welcome intelligent discourse, and one should never be sorry for having an opinion… however, having said that, I have addressed most of the supposed “rational” arguments for humans being vegetarian on my other blog, and I invite anyone who thinks that the practices of Halal or Kosher are “humane” or “proper”, to witness these practices firsthand by going to the butcher and actually seeing how the animals are slaughtered…

    http://www.misterpaleo.blogspot.com

  85. Poria says

    Thank you for the invitation. I’m sorry for the off topic.
    It is a fine blog you have there by the way.

    A last comment about Jesus and Mohammed:
    You are right Mohammad did eat meat but there are stories about him that claims he did try to eat less meat and that he said many times to his followers that the animal that was going to be slaughtered should not feel fear and specially when it came to camel slaughtere that the knife should be hidden so that the camel would not realize what was going to happen before the last second…

    When it comes to Jesus the white man he was according to the roman story a meat eater and he died at the cross…. But Jeshua the black man from North Africa who was stoned to death was a strict vegetarian, his parents was also strict vegetarians and the same applied to the tribe he came from… They were al strict vegetarians according to the cosmic bible OAHSPE.

  86. Poria says

    How come that most of the disease you have in the USA for example cancer are 600 times more than in India? Can it be because of your diet?
    One of my closest friends here in Sweden cured her arthritis by becoming a vegan after the best doctors in the country told her that she had a future in the wheelchair!

    You only need to take a look at the health situation you have in the us to see that something is very wrong with your diet…. Another friend of mine his father ( who is a doctor) got cancer and when the doctors told him he had maximum 6 month left he cured him selv only by changing his diet.

    Here you have a good explanation why one should become a vegetarian :http://krishna.es/meat.html

      • Devin Shadde says

        Most people in India don’t live long enough to get cancer due to the lack of sanitation and malnutrition. Also most Indians are not vegan but are ovo-lacto vegetarians.

      • Poria says

        No I’m not From India, I’m originally from Persia ( Iran) but I live in Sweden.
        It is true as you say, specially in later years many Hindus have learned from the Muslims and Britains and adapted ( from their masters) the meat eating diet and India is actually one of the bigger biff exporters in the area despite the Cow being considered a holy Creature….but still there are many who are vegetarians and a big part of the most Indians diet is still vegetarian food.

        Also in other countries where people mostly consume vegetarian food the same lack of cancer and other western diseases are to been observed!
        When one observes the human body and how it is designed one dos not have to be genius to realise that it is a body created for a vegetarian.

        And also beside the health issue any intelligent and conscious person should underestand how wrong, sinful/harmful it is for us humans as spiritual beings to imprison, harm and kill other living beings….. And not to mention after doing that feasting on their dead bodies.
        I’m not a hindu or Buddhist, nor am I a Muslim or christian. My thoughts are not based on any religious believe.
        But I do believe that the first step toward a higher consciousness is by purifying ones body and by not eating dead food you get a better health on the way!
        Peace.

        • says

          Dear Poria,

          I must respectfully disagree with your comments… Hindus comprise approx. 75% of the Indian population, but only Brahmins are vegetarian (lacto). There are a few Buddhists as well. But the vast majority of the population are NOT strict vegetarians.
          I also must disagree with your take on “spirituality”… Everything comes to this planet to die. Your assumption that plants are somehow less “valuable” in the grand scheme of things, and don’t feel pain, or deserve respect, is fallacious at best. Some of this world’s most “spiritual” personas have consumed flesh, including Jesus and Mohammed. Believe what you wish… but we (humans) are DESIGNED as omnivores… and that is what is required for most of us to be “healthy”.

          • Poria says

            Dear Mr Paleo

            When it comes to the spiritual aspect I would not say that the plants are not valuable.
            Everything do come to this planet to die but a rabbit is not created to feast on a rat! Some animals are created as carnivores and some are not. The human body is not a body of a carnivores.
            In India there are as you say 25% vegetarians but the rest of the populations diet is also very much vegetarian influenced. That is the reason why you dont have cancer and many other diseases.

            Now when it comes to spirituality and higher consciousness, I really don’t mean to offend or provoke but regardless of what the story of Muhammed and Jesus is about let me ask you a question:
            Imagine if some creature much more advanced and stronger than human beings would invade our planet and the first thing they do is to capture al of us and keep us in cages. Then starting with our elders they skin them and use the skins to create things with and using there boned to decorate their homes with. Then they separate the new born babies from our female and slaughter them for their tender meat and feed us adults with the rest products so that we can become fat and juicy. They are also very clever so they start to manipulate our genes so that we can become more fat and juicy and they turn the population of earth to a meat industry to provide for their families.
            My question is, would these being represent for you a symbol of higher consciousness ? Would you then say oh Muhammad and Jesus eat flesh so let these creatures do as they will or would you use your own instincts to deside what’s right or wrong?
            The Veda scriptures which are the greates and oldest literature we have talks about not killing and vegetarian diet, how about that?

            Now same question applies but what if those creatures came to our planet and helped al the living creature to evolve and the were al vegetarians would they represent for you a higher consciousness?

            Now an experiment: take out some meat fromYour refrigerator and leave it on your table beside some fruits and vegetables a couple days, will the vegetables and the fruits smell as dead as the meat?

            Thou shall not kill!
            Thou shall keep you body pure!
            And when you learn that let us meditate.
            Peace and respect.

        • Colleen K. Peltomaa says

          It is too easy to say the health discrepancy is solely due to being vegetarian — or not. Consider the differences in how the water is treated (additives of chlorine and fluoride, etc.), and the chemical additives in processed packaged and canned foods. Consider the hormones and feed and antibiotics administered to the meats Americans eat. Do East Indian people ingest huge quantities of white sugar and monosodium glutamates?

          Given the above hazards you are correct in a way. Choosing to eat organically grown fruits and vegetables, minimally processed, instead of the above would help to restore body balance.

          Probably prayer and fasting (de-toxing) too. Also joyful exercise.

  87. Matt G. says

    First, in the interest of full disclosure I eat the same acid forming diet most Americans enjoy. However, this summer myself and three friends ages 34 to 42 started drinking baking soda and water everyday. We had heard it was a natural way to cut down on soreness after working out (none of us are spring chickens anymore and were getting fairly sore). We all drink a little under a teaspoon on an empty stomach at least 2 hours before eating two to three times a day. The results have been pretty amazing:

    1) Cut down soreness one and two days out after a workout amazingly well. I would say at least 50% to 75% less sore.
    2) Oddly, and I haven’t read this anywhere else: After two months one guy had a wart on his hand go away and two guys had all their skin tags go away.
    3) December 20 as I type and none of us have had a cold or flu yet this year in spite of all our wives/girlfriends/children having caught the flu at least once since we started. We lovingly refer to them as our “control group.”

    The theory behind it was simple enough. Baking soda gives you’re body an easy way to neutralize acid, including lactic acid buildup after working out. As far as we’re concerned it’s better than steroids and truly works

  88. Lisa says

    Thank you for this very informative article.
    I came here feeling frantic and as if I am in a death sentence because of my acidic urine.
    I know from past experience that I need animal fats and protein in order to feel good, and this seems so contradictory to all of the alkaline/juice diet/raw food propaganda. I feel a bit lost and confused.
    My goal now is to make sure I drink clean water with minerals added, lots of greens and vegetables and as much raw as my gut can handle–in addition to my good eggs and meat.
    Thank you again for your balanced and scientific article.

    • Devin says

      Many people have food intolerances. No single diet works for everyone. Good for you for paying aattentionto what you eat and how you feel. I did an elimination diet last December. No wheat, corn, soy, dairy, sweeteners, peanuts, and eggs. In 3 weeks my IBS symptoms cleared, total cholesterol dropped 100 points (even though I had double the red meat intake), I lost 25 lbs of inflammatory water weight, my bacne cleared up, and the funny rashes I was getting went away. I re incorporated those foods one at a time and discovered that wheat and dairy were causing most of my problems. Lots of soy gives me a headache. Lots of eggs were causing the intermittent rashes.

    • James says

      Normal urinary pH is 4.6 to 8.0.

      Highly alkaline pH levels can indicate kidney disorders or urinary tract infections or can occur from vomiting. It can also be increased by some medications.

      By the way urinary pH does not reflect blood or tissue pH as some keep falsely claiming.

      • Hardo says

        Wow James that is a loaded statement…..There are tons of research papers confirming that urine pH indicates the pH of your tissue….I am not sure what research you are quoting here???? If your urine shows a pH of 4.6 -6.0 in my experience people are pretty sick….Our urine is most acidic at around 2am and most alkaline at around 2pm….so testing it around those times is misleading.

          • Hardo says

            It is amazing how much valid info is out there…I respect your statements and am always open to new insights…and there are so many conflicting messages coming into play….tell me then how do you measure tissue pH?

            • MR PALEO says

              Hardo,

              This is not my area of expertise, but as far as I know, the only truly accurate determination of tissue pH is thru electrode analysis…

        • James says

          If there is tons of research then you should have no problem providing links to some of this research so it can be reviewed. I hear claims of so much research all the time but when called on their bluffs of course these people never supply any links to the studies since they don’t really exist in the first place.

          Again, urinary pH DOES NOT reflect blood or tissue pH. The body’s pH is primarily regulated by respiration. This means most of the acidic protons formed during cellular energy formation are dealt with by respiration, not excretion through the urine.

          In addition, as I already pointed out there are various things that can alter urinary pH such as medications, foods, supplements or bacterial infections.

          As for normal urinary pH values, if you don’t believe me then look it up from another credible source. Any medical site will tell you the same thing I already told you.

          • Hardo says

            Thank you James for your effort and time spent in sharing your opinion.
            I am always interested in learning more and happy to alter my opinion when it is called for….and at the same time there are aspects in your reply that are offensive in nature as you have absolutely no idea who I am and what my back ground is…as such it is arrogant to judge me just because I have different experiences and opinions…I do respect yours and am happy to work with them as part of my continued education. I have high regard for emergency medicine and no regard for general medicine…it is at best a trap for easily influenced sick people. In my 29 years of working with people I have at least 3500 individuals who have greatly benefitted from my work and guidance….including myself who only 3 years ago was gravely ill due to wrong medical treatment. If the medical establishment knows so much about cancer why has this disease not been eradicated? To close my part in this chapter I would like to suggest James…without prejudice…that history has shown us clearly that we have been wrong so many times ….eg: blood letting etc….I would never insist on being right but more so committed to learning more and happy to alter my opinions….have you ever considered that you too may be wrong and all those that you use as backup. Humility is something we must learn it does not come with a degree. I wish you well!

            • James says

              “you have absolutely no idea who I am and what my back ground is”

              That goes both ways Hardo. One of the things you do not know about me is that I have worked my butt off for decades trying to get holistic medicine legitimized in the allopathic arena. When someone comes along with completely bogus information they post as fact such as digestion only occurring in the mouth, urinary pH reflecting tissue pH, etc. this gives the allopathic medicine even more ammunition to call us quacks. So if a few egos have to be bruised to keep legitimate, not bogus, holistic claims from being presented then so be it. This is not about you nor is it about me. It is about maintaining our freedom to utilize what therapies we choose and see fit to use. We have already lost so much of this freedom and we don’t need people who know nothing about real medicine or how the body really works spouting disinformation to give the establishment more reason to further take away our rights.

              • Hardo says

                James….Thank you once again for dedicating your life to such noble cause….I mean that!!
                I have worked in conjunction with MD’s , Psychologist and other and often there is mutual respect for one another…which is great…I have no problem sending my clients to their MD and it seems some are open to referring them to me as well. I am sharing opinions here on this site for respectful discussion and am open to all comments …positive or not so positive…hence thank you for your contribution …no doubt I will do my bit to make sure I continue to create a balanced view. Keep up the good work!!!

  89. Jakub Lehotsky says

    One more idea : isn’t it true that any kind of anaerobic activity (strength training, high-intesity workout, etc.) produces lactic acid as a by-product of metabolism? This really does increase acidity of blood (lactate blood levels/workout intensity are actually regularly measured in sport medical labs)

    That said, acid-alcalic diet theory would suggest that doing any anaerobic exercise is pretty unhealthy to do.

    • James says

      No, this is an old, outdated myth. It was once thought that muscles cells generate lactic acid during intense exercise. If you look at recent studies it has been proven that NO human cells produce lactic acid. Even cancer cells do not produce lactic acid. Cells produce lactate, which is non-acidic and reduces acidity during its formation. Lactate is then used as fuel by cells.

      Unfortunately, too many researchers incorrectly use the terms lactic acid and lactate interchangeably even though they are not the same thing. This contributes to the confusion and the myth that humans cells produce lactic acid.

    • Lisa says

      Thanks for sharing that link!
      The foods consumed might have more to do with the diabetes risk than the acid/alkaline balance–not neccessarily a direct link to acidity but a correlation.
      ie, If a person is of healthy weight, exercises, eats lots of veggies but also lots of meat and eggs and overall lower carb diet, he/she might have acid load but from healthier sources and not be a diabetes risk.

    • James says

      Right off the bat I can see where the study is severely flawed. Look at how they tested for “acidity”. They were not testing blood pH, which is the only way to accurately determine if acidosis exists.

      By the way, type 2 diabetes, which accounts for 95% of diabetic cases most often results from a decline in chromium and/or magnesium levels, which leads to the closing of insulin receptors. See:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3160

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3159

  90. Simon says

    I have two friends, people that I have known personally for many years, who decided to quit the chemo and radio and cure treat their cancer by switching to a mainly raw, alkaline based diet. They are both healthy and cancer free many years later.

    I do not know if it was specifically the alkalinity of the diet or not but the decision to stop following western medical advice and rely wholly on nutrition and a shift in attitude towards personal responsibility seemed to have played a crucial role in their survival.

  91. Gergana says

    I have been struggling with urethral pain and discomfort, much like the symptoms of an UTI. It seems related to my low carb diet, which naturally includes a high protein consumption. After visiting my doc and a urologists and having a million tests done, with no reults, i decided to do some research on my own. Some of the information I found suggests that the high acidity of my urine, caused by my diet could be the culprit. So I have been taking these drops to alkalize my water and measuring my pH and it seems like the pain is related. I really don’t know what to do because I don’t want to give up my diet. Staying fat is not an option. I like the way low carb high fat diet makes me feel other than this stupid urinary problem. Any suggestions? Should I be taking soda bicarbonate? Should I be taking magnesium supplements? I don’t eat sugar, and I eat a fair amount of veggies, but apparently not enough. All the information out there is overwhelming…

    • MR PALEO says

      Gergana,

      I cannot give medical “advice” on a blog but, there are several “conditions” which can result in low urine pH. You state that you have had quite a few “tests”, and that the results were inconclusive ?
      Sodium Bicarbonate would alkalinize your urine, but at the price of your stomach’s ability to properly digest. Almost everyone in America should be taking a magnesium supplement, as most of us are deficient. Time-release is best. It might be of benefit to add white potatoes and starchy root vegetables to your intake. And, are you eating to satiation ?

    • yannibenji says

      Hi Gergana
      If your UDI was made of copper you may be suffering from copper toxicity.
      If your body is acidic it will do everything it can to get rid of it and bring the ph up to 7.3, including robbing your bones of calcium!
      I would recommend calcium & magnesium supplementation (Magnesium is required for your body to properly utilize calcium, along with vitamin D of course. Eating more vitamin D foods may also help.
      If you are suffering from inflammation, then check your Vitamin B12 levels.

      • Lisa says

        Dr. Kresser explains in this article that science does not support the theory of calcium being pulled from your bones, but rather that the kidneys buffer acidity.

    • Lisa says

      Hi Gergana,
      Are probiotics and lactofermented foods a part of your diet?
      Are you drinking pure water (not from the city water system)?
      Are you drinking enough water?
      Are you using soap or anything else that could irritate the urethra?
      Hang in there! It sounds like you are on a really great track and are committed–keep trying different things and don’t get discouraged. There’s always an answer out there; sometimes it just takes more time to find them :)
      Lisa

  92. Zachary says

    this blog is misleading. Raising ph has been proven to kill cancer and cancerous tumors. The medical industry would not want you to know due to the money they would lose from the high number of patients they treat daily. It would break the system!!!

    • Lisa says

      Did you read the article?
      He specifically addresses the theory about tumors and pH and why the theory doesn’t hold. A healthy diet/cleanse might kill cancer, but what Dr. Kresser writes is that this is not necessarily caused directly by the acid/alkaline balance in the urine.

    • James says

      Raising pH DOES NOT kill cancer cells. I really wish people would stop reading bogus propaganda sites and repeating this myth.

      Fact: Cancer cells have a more alkaline pH than healthy cells.

      Fact: Research has shown that excess alkalinity of healthy cells causes them to convert in to a cancerous state.

      Fact: Cancer cells require an alkaline internal pH to survive and thrive. Studies have shown when the proton transporters of cancer cells are blocked their internal pH goes acidic killing the cancer cells.

      • Matt says

        Hi James,
        I’ve been reading about this topic (mainly alkalizing through the injestion of Sodium Bicarbonate) and have seen studies such as “Implications of acidic tumor microenvironment for neoplastic growth and cancer treatment: a computer analysis.” which states – “The acidic microenvironment found in most solid tumors appears to be a main regulator for the self-organized development of neoplastic growth and invasion.”
        or
        “Tumor acidity, chemoresistance and proton pump inhibitors.” which states ” The extracellular pH of solid tumors is significantly more acidic than that of normal tissues, thus impairing the uptake of weakly basic chemotherapeutic drugs and reducing their effect on tumors. An important determinant of tumor acidity is the anaerobic metabolism that allows selection of cells able to survive in an hypoxic-anoxic environment with the generation of lactate. However, this is not the major mechanism responsible for the development of an acidic environment within solid tumors.”
        They even conclude “These data suggest that tumor alkalinization may represent a key target of future antitumor strategies.”

        Following from that “Manipulating tumor acidification as a cancer treatment strategy.” They state that oral administration of sodium bicarbonate can raise the extracellular pH of tumors”
        and
        “dietry measures that boost the bicarbonate level of plasma can elevate the subnormal pH of tumors to some degree, without noticeably influencing the pH of blood and health tissue”
        and
        “These findings thus raise the possibility that systematic buffering, acheived by oral administration of high doses of agents such as sodium bicarbonate or trisodium citrate – or possibly even a natural diet of low to moderate levels of protein content, but high in potassium rich fruits, vegetables, and juices – could dampen the aggressiveness of certain cancers by partially alleviating their extracellular acidity.”

        Would this not count as evidence that an alkaline diet (be it in the food or through the use of sodium bicarbonate) can combat some cancers?

        Thanks
        Matt

        • James says

          Hi Matt,

          In short, no.

          This was brought up by someone else previously who did not understand what the studies he was posting was referring to. So I have addressed this before, but will do it again since sometimes re-explaining something in a different way can sometimes make things clearer.

          Let’s start with the pH of cancer cells. Cancer cells actually have an internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells. It is this excess alkalinity that allows the cancer cells to survive and thrive. In addition, studies have also shown that when healthy cells become overly alkaline these healthy cells will morph in to cancer cells.

          So what is all this about the acidity? What they are referring to is the acidity of the extracellular matrix, which is the space outside of the cells, not inside the cells. The reason the external matrix becomes acidic is because the cancer cells cannot tolerate an acidic internal environment. In fact, one therapy being studied is to block the proton pumps of cancer cells. This causes the internal pH of the cancer cells to become acidic, which kills the cancer cells. To protect themselves from the acidity the cancer cells export the acidic hydrogen ions (protons) in to the external matrix. This maintains the alkaline internal pH the cancer cells need to survive and flourish while making the external matrix acidic, which can promote metastases through the activation of the enzyme hyaluronidase. Some people have incorrectly assumed that this also means the acidity promotes cancer growth. Growth and metastases though are not the same thing. Intracellular alkalinity promotes cancer growth while extracellular acidity promotes cancer metastases.

          Does this mean trying to alkalize with baking soda to inhibit metastases is a good idea? Not at all for several reasons.

          First of all, what is the byproduct of the neutralization of acids by baking soda? Carbonic acid!!! Same reason when giving sodium bicarbonate intravenously in a hospital setting can case acidosis.

          A second issue is that in order to have any alkalizing effect on the blood you would first have to overwhelm various pH buffering systems of the body. This includes the stomach acid. Neutralizing stomach acid presents all sorts of problems, but even more so with cancer patients. For instance, stomach acid is a first line defense against ingested pathogens. Therefore, neutralizing the stomach acid will leave these already immunocompromised people at even higher risk of pathogenic infection. Neutralizing the stomach acid will also interfere with nutrient absorption in cancer patients that may already be subject to cachexia. The nutritional deficiencies also increase the risk of cancer itself due to decreased methylation.

          This is not to say that other alkalizers such as the sodium citrate would not be a good idea. Personally I like nettle leaf in cancer formulas for a variety of reasons including its ability to reduce acids while supplying a lot of nutrition and for its ability to help interfere with the Cori cycle. These will not adversely affect nutrition uptake of cause rebound acidosis though like sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) will.

          As for the alkaline chemo drug statement, I really don’t think it will make any significant difference. Chemotherapy drugs are well known in the medical field to be rarely effective. Research has consistently shown that the very low success rate of most chemotherapy drugs has nothing to do with pH, but rather from the hypoxic microenvironments within the tumors.

          Most chemotherapy drugs work on the principle of creating oxygen radicals that kill the cancer cells. Same reason doctors don’t like patients taking antioxidants while on chemo. Taking antioxidants while on chemo will not interfere and is beneficial, but that is a different story. Anyway, in order to create sufficient levels of these oxygen radicals there must be the presence of sufficient oxygen. During the initial process of tumor formation though the tumor is reliant on diffusion to get oxygen. Once the tumor reaches a maximum size of 3mm the oxygen can no longer diffuse in to the center of the tumor and the center of the tumor dies from a lack of oxygen. This stimulates the release of angiogenic growth factors (AGFs) such as vascular endothelial growth factor. The AGFs stimulate the formation of blood vessels that increase oxygen levels to the tumor that the tumor needs to survive and proliferate. Studies have shown that once the oxygen level is increased to the tumor that the growth rate of the tumor increases significantly. The cancer cells are anaerobic thing is just another long held myth. Cancer cells derive at least 50% of their energy through oxidative phosphorylation, and studies have shown that cancer cells have a higher affinity for oxygen than healthy cells. Despite their need for oxygen the malignant tumors still develop a very disorganized vascular network. This disorder creates hypoxic (low oxygen) levels within the tumor. These hypoxic regions will be slightly more acidic, but again this really does not change the effects of the chemo drugs. The chemo drugs will still fail due to the lack of oxygen in the hypoxic region that therefore interfere with oxygen radical formation.

          If anything, alkalizing the tumor microenvironments will make matters even worse since oxygen release from hemoglobin is acid dependent and is inhibited by alkalinity. This could contribute to the tumor hypoxia allowing more of the cells in the hypoxic regions to survive.

          Also keep in mind that sodium, which can be provided by sodium bicarbonate, displaces potassium, which is even more alkaline than the sodium displacing it.

          • Matt says

            Hi James,

            I see this blog is seeing an amazing amount of activity!

            I was wondering how you would raise the pH of your tissue fluid or intertstitial fluid to inturn affect the extracellular pH of a tumor cell?

            You mentioned the byproduct of the neutralization of acids by baking soda is Carbonic acid and that the reason Chemo doesnt really work is the hypoxic microenvironments within the tumors. Wouldn’t Carbonic Acid then be a good thing if this increases the oxygen to the cells from hemoglobin?

            Thanks
            Matt

            • James says

              Hi Matt,

              Not necessarily. Keep in mind the fact that the more oxygen cancerous tumors receive the faster they also grow.

              For example, we all know that cancer cells have a higher metabolism than healthy cells. How can they have a higher metabolism if they are not using oxygen more efficiently since anaerobic glycolysis is significantly less efficient in ATP production?

              Also keep in mind that ingesting sodium bicarbonate does not guarantee that any of it will reach the tumor. It is first going to react with stomach acid meaning most if not all is going to be destroyed depending on how much is ingested compared to how much stomach acid is present. And if you do manage to overwhelm the stomach acid with enough baking soda this is just gong to lead to whole host of other health issues.

              And the problem is not really with pH but rather the poor vascular organization of the tumors that leads to the hypoxic regions. Therefore, altering the extracellular pH is not going to change the lack of effectiveness of most chemo drugs.

              Maybe if they combined hyperbaric with chemo may help since this should theoretically increase oxygen levels within the tumor even in the poorly vascularized areas. If they can kill the cancer cells faster than they can vascualrize as which happens in ozone therapy then maybe they can achieve higher success rates with chemo.

              Or they can start using ozone therapy, which has been proven effective at selectively killing cancer cells and for which cancer cells cannot develop a tolerance as with chemo or radiation therapies. See:

              http://www.medcapsules.com/info/The%20Chemistry%20of%20Ozone%20Therapy%20on%20Cancer.htm

                • Matt says

                  Those videos are very informative. If the bicarbonate was to be completely destroyed by the acid in the stomach, why is it that 1/2 tea spoon mixed with water raises my urine pH the following morning? It seems to be absorbing.

                • James says

                  Hi Matt,

                  In order for any of the bicarbonate to reach the blood it would first have to overwhelm the stomach acid. How much baking soda it will take to overwhelm the stomach acid will depend on how much stomach acid is present to begin with. various things can affect stomach acid levels including age, H. pylori infection, antacids, acid blockers, alkaline waters, certain nutrient deficiencies, etc.

                  Urinary pH can also be affected by various things including high sodium intake, such as from the ingestion of baking soda, which reacts with stomac acid forming sodium chloride (“table salt), water and carbon dioxide. High sodium intake can displace potassium and calcium through the urine raising urinary pH. Therefore the rise in pH is not necessarily from the absorption of bicarbonate. It can be from the sodium chloride formed instead. Without testing for urinary bicarbonate it would be impossible to say what is alkalizing the urine.

  93. Hardo Bottin says

    Hi Julie….I am sorry for your negative experience…..please consider the latest findings re: digestion…it only really occurs in the mouth through mastication …as the food enters the stomach large amounts of Sodium Bicarbonate are produced to alkalize the food you have eaten….HCL is a by-product of the production of Sodium Bicarbonate and gets resorbed and eliminated. NaCl + H2O + Co2=NaHCO3 + HCL….as you can see the HCL is a waste product rather than something needed for digestion. Any access of alkalinity is being eliminated via urination …so the body will not allow alkalosis unless there is a failure in the elimination via urine. Becoming alkaline the body sheds fatty tissue which it used previously to store toxins and acidity.

  94. Julie Evans says

    I tried drinking alkaline water and eating alkaline foods only to learn that it was shutting down my digestion. I lost way to much weight and was sick from it. I learned that we need to have adequate stomach acid to digest food and that you can harm your health by becoming overly alkaline. It was a hard lesson learned.

    • Lisa says

      I agree. I only drink my alkaline water on an empty stomach between meals, and then with meals I take HCl. It works great.

  95. margaret says

    I have spasmodic dysphonia, a spasming of the vocal cords and some people say that lowering acid can help this condition? Do you know anything about this and/or do you have any recommendations? Thank you!
    Margaret P

    • James says

      Hi Margaret.

      Have you tried supplementing with magnesium malate? Magnesium relaxes muscles preventing spasms by antagonizing calcium. Therefore, don’t take it with calcium and watch your calcium intake. If your serum calcium is high this can also aggravate this kind of condition.

  96. says

    Here’s a video (30Sep2013) from NutritionFacts.org citing recent articles (2011 & 2012) that show that the calcium in urine that occurs after eating a highly acidic protein meal is NOT from the bones, but due to improved calcium absorption from the diet. The (acidic) dietary protein helps to improve calcium absorption, the excess of which gets urinated out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9XTjnvlIUI&noredirect=1

    Of course, just about everyone can benefit from eating more vegetables, I don’t think one can really dispute that.

    • MR PALEO says

      Leesa,

      One can always find the truth, if one perseveres…. but be very careful….

      “NutritionFacts.org” sounds great, very impressive, great title, and really presents the idea that this website is the ultimate, up-to-the-minute, most factual nutritional information out there… except for one “minor” detail, Dr. Greger is a staunch vegan on a mission, and is VERY good at presenting “information” with a hidden bias…. this does not mean that there ISN’T accurate information to be found there, just watch your back !!! LOL….

  97. V S Mani says

    A wonderful article. It is always regrettable to deal with two handed Clinical experts in that they usually say you can do this or that. Better to deal with one-handed clinicians so that the take home message is clear and reader not left in confusion.
    I have diabetes 2 and feel taking Honey in moderation – 3-4 tea spoons a day may not affect diabetic glucose values. Is it correct?
    V S Mani

    • srh says

      It also depends on the *honey* itself, not all honey is equal! It depends on how it is processed, what kind of bees, what did the bees harvest from, etc.

      As mister paleo said, it also depends how “reactive” you are, some people can handle it better than others. It is also hard to give advice without knowing anything about your diet. But it is certain that it will affect your glucose values.

      If i were you, i’d moderate using so much honey (3-4 tea spoons every day sounds like alot to me), I would eat any product with a relatively high GI as honey with moderation. But this also depends on your general diet, if you haven’t already, read up on Glycemic Load (GL), it helped me alot when i tried to eat healthier and get rid of excess fat :)

      It can be a chore to map the GL values of your foods (especially if the information on the label is lacking), but i think it is worth it :)

      I’m sure that if you work about on your diet and take GL into consideration that you will be able to incorporate some honey into your diet :D

      What also worked wonders for me was to reduce all intake of carbohydrates (starch, etc), which means reducing intake of pasta, potatoes, etc while still eating more vegetables (note: not a “low-carb” diet, more like a “carb-reduction” diet). What also helped me regulate my diet was exercising daily (20-40 minutes of medium level activity that got your back sweaty ever day, i did it by speed walking home from work).

      Hope I gave you some tips, if you already know all this I apologize for wasting your time :p

  98. Susan says

    It sounds like what you are saying, Chris, is that it doesn’t much matter what I eat relative to my body pH, and that the body’s pH will be maintained within a small acceptable range by the kidneys, never mind what I eat… that my health is not related to my body’s pH.

  99. says

    What about this. Processed foods which are full of chemicals tend to be more acidic than natural organic foods. Because of all the toxins and inorganic components causing it to be an acidic, I assume in my opinion this would provide no health benefits in preventing illness (quite the opposite). Or are you saying that acid forming foods such a meats, fish, nuts, seeds, etc which were in the paleolithic diets that are closer to from the earth and natural and don’t increase sickness?

  100. Karl says

    Hello!

    I am always interested in research, and you’ve quoted a bunch of it in your article on alkalizing.

    However, I disagree with the thrust of some of what you said, namely your caviler attitude regarding the body’s ability to adapt to our current diets.

    I do not make my living from this, so I don’t have 100 hours to spend looking up research papers to support me; so I’m just going to wing it from memory.

    A hundred years ago, cancer was a rare disease. Now, it’s epidemic.

    In the last 30 years, macular degeneration has increased 10 TIMES.

    The rate of diabetes has risen enormously.

    Why?

    As far as I can tell, from an enormous amount of reading, it seems to be primarily due to changes in our diets. So, SOMETHING different, or, MANY somethings different, about our diets, compared to even our recent ancestors, is causing a vast increase in a number of diseases that used to be rare (longer lifespan has been factored into this already).

    My belief is that changes in our diet, are overwhelming our body’s long term ability to function properly.

    2 centuries ago, the average yearly consumption of sugar was maybe a pound a year. Now it’s over a HUNDRED pounds a year! This is a phenomenal dietary change! Diabetes has skyrocketed.

    Don’t you think there’s a connection?

    I think that the pancreas is being absolutely overwhelmed by the enormous amount of sugar that IT WAS NOT DESIGNED to handle. Yes, maybe it can take it for a while, but eventually it just can’t handle the enormous amounts of sugar anymore.

    While you quote research saying that some primitive people had a “net” acid diet, just what does that MEAN exactly? Just a touch under alkaline, or much, much more, like today’s diets? You did not make that clear.

    If our diets are substantially more acid than our ancestors (even recent ancestors), then maybe the same thing is happening here, as is happening with sugar, namely, our body’s ability to handle the enormous amounts of acid, over time, takes it’s toll on our organs.

    I COMPLETELY disagree with your thinking that our kidneys can just take this assault indefinitely without problem.

    Also, the liver/bile ducts/gallbladder, and pancreas, also handle bicarbonate in addition to the kidneys. You will notice that the pancreas is getting a DOUBLE assault, having to handle both a high sugar AND a high acid load. Diabetes is skyrocketing.

    Don’t you think there’s a connection?

    The body is NOT just an infinitely adapting machine that you can continue to assault for decades in manners that it was NOT designed to handle, without parts of it failing!

    I ALSO disagree with your caviler statement about the body’s regulation of blood pH. “…tightly regulates…”, you said. I’ve seen this phase over the internet SO many times, I’m sick of it. Someone says, “tightly regulates”, as if it’s a statement from God, and just goes on with no further examination, as if their conjecture were proven. I disagree.

    This comes from incorrect thinking about HOW much the pH has to change, to create problems. In terms of blood pH, just TINY changes
    in the blood pH, can make very large differences in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Changes that most doctors would not think about twice, as it would be in the “normal” range. An over acid diet causes an inability of hemoglobin to carry the oxygen that it could.

    You don’t think that this is important?

    Another thing, caries (cavities), are rampant now. Two centuries ago, this was NOT the case. Even a century ago, the amount of enamel on teeth was DOUBLE what it is today! Yes, DOUBLE. A number of research studies that I have read, show that alkaline conditions in the mouth, stop much of the bacterial assault on the teeth. Most people’s mouths are quite acidic. To change this, you have to change your diet to more alkaline. YES, the blood pH will only change slightly, BUT, the saliva pH will change dramatically; when the body stops dumping so much acid to keep the blood pH stable.

    You again dismissed, without much discussion, pH testing. Yes, urine testing is all over the place, based on what you’ve eaten recently. HOWEVER, saliva testing, done first thing in the morning, right after getting up and BEFORE drinking or eating or brushing your teeth, is quite stable, and a good indicator of the state of your acid/alkaline balance.

    I’ve brought my morning saliva pH up from 6.4 to 7.0, and, just as the research indicated, most of my bad oral bacteria simply died off. Even this result alone would seem to indicate a better functioning body. Urine pH isn’t too bad a guide, if taken first thing in the morning just after getting up. Saliva pH testing is still probably better, though.

    I mean, this isn’t that complex. If your blood pH is slightly alkaline at 7.368, give or take, if you can get close to that in your saliva pH reading, you are probably not overloading your body one way or the other with either acids OR alkalines.

    My 2¢ worth.

    Karl

    • says

      Hi Karl….Great thoughts and I agree with most of what you are saying….regarding your saliva pH …this reading only tells you how much alkalizing POTENTIAL you have whereas the urine tells you your tissue pH….so if your saliva pH is low…below 7…than your ability to alkalize acidic food is compromised.

  101. Alwyn Wong says

    I’ve been researching and writing on the benefits of alkaline foods for a few years now. I respectively disagree with the notion that an acidic diet doesn’t harm bone health. Here’s an excerpt from an article that I wrote on this topic:

    Calcium is a strong base (alkaline substance) and bone contains the largest calcium stores in the body. When the body enters an acidotic state, osteoblastic (bone forming) activity decreases and osteoclastic (bone destroying) activity increases. In fact, bone destruction has been shown to increase six-fold with a decrease in pH from 7.25 to 7.15. Once CMA (chronic metabolic) acidosis initiates breakdown, other factors perpetuate the process, such as parathyroid hormone, vitamin D, ATP, and ADP. At a pH of 6.9, mineralization by osteoblasts is completed inhibited. This occurs due to increased solubility of bone, and inhibition of alkaline phosphatase, an enzyme required for mineralization. It must be noted that these changes in osteoblastic function occur at the DNA level, which may explain why there is a lag in the normalization of function after alkalizing measures have been taken.

    Another mechanism by which metabolic acidosis causes resorption is the stimulation of prostaglandin E (pgE). In response to a reduction in pH, pgE stimulates the production of osteoclasts, and thus promotes osteoclastic activity. Recall, osteoclasts break down bone.

    Little or no resorption takes places at a pH of 7.4. Why does this happen? As is outlined The Kick Acid Diet, acidosis is a condition that must be prevented and corrected at all costs. Stimulation of osteoclastic activity is a “fail-safe” mechanism ensuring adequate alkaline release into the blood via bone demineralization when the kidneys and lungs are unable to remove hydrogen ions.

    Other experts claim that physico-chemical resorption occurs more often than the cell-mediated process described above. If respiratory buffering at the lungs can no longer handle excess acids, the body will call upon another potent buffer – calcium. And since bone is the largest reservoir of this mineral, calcium will be leached from the bone. The process known as demineralization buffers these acids. A reduction in bicarbonate (one of your body’s natural buffers) concentration results in increased calcium release from bone to buffer the acidosis. This process is mediated by calcium carbonate and calcium apatite, two storage forms of calcium.

    Not only does acidity result in the loss of calcium from the bone, it also results in the loss of sodium and potassium.

    The differing contributions of cell-mediated and physico-chemical bone destruction may be attributed to the severity and duration of the acidosis. The cell-mediated process occurs in acute metabolic acidosis, whilst both processes occur in chronic metabolic acidosis.

    This effect is even more pronounced in post-menopausal women. There is a direct relationship between net acid excretion (in the urine) and bone resorption during this period of a women’s life. Diet does, in fact, play an important role in the contribution of chronic, long-term, low-grade metabolic acidosis over a lifetime. However, it probably goes undetected (as it is within normal limits), but will have a chronic effect on bone health.

    If buffering at the lungs fail and the calcium from the bones is no longer an adequate supply, the body will then turn to its next largest supply of calcium, skeletal muscle.
    Interestingly, it is only metabolic acidosis that results in calcium loss from bone, not respiratory acidosis. In fact, respiratory acidosis promotes calcium deposition in bone. The detailed explanation is beyond the scope of this article.

    As described above, calcium is not the only mineral stored in bone, and therefore, is not the only osseous mineral affected by metabolic acidosis. Magnesium, sodium, potassium, and zinc are lost from bone in the obligatory buffering of metabolic acids.

    To summarize, bone contains substantial amounts of buffering alkalizing minerals, such as sodium, potassium, magnesium, and calcium. These minerals are rapidly available for exchange with the fluid outside of bone. Potassium and sodium are the body’s first line of defense in preventing metabolic acidosis. Once these reserves are depleted, the body calls upon its calcium and magnesium stores.

    Let’s now specifically address how dietary protein, acidity, and bone loss are related. It has been postulated by many that high protein diets do increase one’s risk of bone breakdown (also known as resorption) due to the formation of the chemicals ammonium and sulphate. Ammonium and sulphate are both acidic. As a result of this acid formation, citrate and carbonate attached to calcium are leeched from the bone to buffer.

    However, long-term dietary protein intake acts anabolically on various parts of the bone, most notably the shaft, or diaphysis. This results in increased bone strength. Interestingly, this bone forming property of protein has been shown to occur only in animal proteins, and in the presence of alkalizing minerals. Another way of putting this is, animal proteins are beneficial for bone health only if the PRAL overall of the diet is alkaline. In fact, low protein intake may be detrimental to bone health.

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