The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 1

149306852Many of you have probably heard of the ‘alkaline diet’. There are a few different versions of the acid-alkaline theory circulating the internet, but the basic claim is that the foods we eat leave behind an ‘ash’ after they are metabolized, and this ash can be acid or alkaline (alkaline meaning more basic on the pH scale).

According to the theory, it is in our best interest to make sure we eat more alkaline foods than acid foods, so that we end up with an overall alkaline load on our body. This will supposedly protect us from the diseases of modern civilization, whereas eating a diet with a net acid load will make us vulnerable to everything from cancer to osteoporosis. To make sure we stay alkaline, they recommend keeping track of urine or saliva pH using handy pH test strips.

In this two-part series, I will address the main claims made by proponents of the alkaline diet, and will hopefully clear up some confusion about what it all means for your health.

Will eating an alkaline diet make you and your bones healthier?

Foods can influence our urine pH

Before I start dismantling this theory, I want to acknowledge a couple things they get right. First, foods do leave behind acid or alkaline ash. The type of ‘ash’ is determined by the relative content of acid-forming components such as phosphate and sulfur, and alkalis such as calcium, magnesium, and potassium. (1, 2) In general, animal products and grains are acid forming, while fruits and vegetables are alkali forming. Pure fats, sugars, and starches are neutral, because they don’t contain protein, sulfur, or minerals.

It’s also true that the foods we eat change the pH of our urine. (3, 4) If you have a green smoothie for breakfast, for example, your pee a few hours later will likely be more alkaline than that of someone who had bacon and eggs. As a side note, it’s also very easy to measure your urine pH, and I think this is one of the big draws of the alkaline diet. Everyone can probably agree that it’s satisfying to see concrete improvements in health markers depending on your diet, and pH testing gives people that instant gratification they desire. However, as you’ll see below, urine pH is not a good indicator of the overall pH of the body, nor is it a good indicator of general health.

Foods don’t influence our blood pH

Proponents of the alkaline diet have put forth a few different theories about how an acidic diet harms our health. The more ridiculous claim is that we can change the pH of our blood by changing the foods we eat, and that acidic blood causes disease while alkaline blood prevents it. This is not true. The body tightly regulates the pH of our blood and extracellular fluid, and we cannot influence our blood pH by changing our diet. (5, 6) High doses of sodium bicarbonate can temporarily increase blood pH, but not without causing uncomfortable GI symptoms. (7, 8) And there are certainly circumstances in which the blood is more acidic than it should be, and this does have serious health consequences. However, this state of acidosis is caused by pathological conditions such as chronic renal insufficiency, not by whether you choose to eat a salad or a burger. In other words, regardless of what you eat or what your urine pH is, you can be pretty confident that your blood pH is hovering around a comfortable 7.4.

A more nuanced claim has been proposed specifically regarding bone health, and this hypothesis is addressed somewhat extensively in the scientific literature. It supposes that in order to keep blood pH constant, the body pulls minerals from our bones to neutralize any excess acid that is produced from our diet. Thus, net acid-forming diets (such as the typical Western diet) can cause bone demineralization and osteoporosis. This hypothesis, often referred to as the ‘acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis,’ is what I will discuss for the rest of this article. I’ll address some of the other health claims in part two.

The kidneys – not bone – regulate blood pH

While more reasonable than the first claim, the acid-ash hypothesis seems to completely disregard the vital role the kidneys play in regulating body pH. The kidneys are well equipped to deal with ‘acid ash.’ When we digest things like protein, the acids produced are quickly buffered by bicarbonate ions in the blood. (7) This reaction produces carbon dioxide, which is exhaled through the lungs, and salts, which are excreted by the kidneys. During the process of excretion, the kidneys produce ‘new’ bicarbonate ions, which are returned to the blood to replace the bicarbonate that was initially used to buffer the acid. This creates a sustainable cycle in which the body is able to maintain the pH of the blood, with no involvement from the bones whatsoever.

Thus, our understanding of acid-base physiology does not support the theory that net acid-forming diets cause loss of bone minerals and osteoporosis. But just for argument’s sake, let’s say that our renal system cannot handle the acid load of the modern diet. If bones were used to buffer this excess acid, we would expect to see evidence of this taking place in clinical trials. Alas, that is not the case.

Clinical trials do not support the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis

At first glance, some of the studies may look convincing, because higher acid diets often increase the excretion of calcium in the urine. Some researchers assumed that this extra calcium was coming from bone. (8) However, when calcium balance (intake minus excretion) was measured, researchers found that acid-forming diets do not have a negative effect on calcium metabolism. (9) Some studies found that supplementing with potassium salts (intended to neutralize excess acid) had beneficial effects on markers for bone health, which would tend to support the acid-ash hypothesis. However, these results were only observed in the first few weeks of supplementation, and long-term trials did not find any benefit to bone health from these alkalizing salts. (10)

Finally, even though the hypothesis holds that higher intakes of protein and phosphate are acidifying and therefore detrimental to bone health, multiple studies have shown that increasing protein or phosphate intake has positive effects on calcium metabolism and on markers for bone health. (11, 12) Summarizing the clinical evidence, two different meta-analyses and a review paper all concluded that randomized controlled trials do not support the hypothesis that acidifying diets cause loss of bone mineral and osteoporosis. (13, 14, 15)

So, it appears that neither physiology nor clinical trials support the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis. But again, just for argument’s sake, let’s suppose that these trials are imperfect (which they are, of course; no science is perfect!), and thus we can’t depend on their conclusions. If the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis were true, we would expect to see an association between net acid-producing diets and osteoporosis in observational studies. Yet again, this is not the case.

Observational studies do not support the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis

Observational studies have not found a correlation between dietary acid load and bone mineral density (BMD) or fracture risk, nor have they found a correlation between urine pH and BMD or fracture risk. (16, 17, 18) Additionally, higher protein intakes are correlated with better bone health in multiple studies, even though high-protein diets are generally net acid forming. (19) In fact, animal protein in particular (the most acid-forming food of all) has been associated with better bone health. (20, 21) Imagine that! One study included in a recent meta-analysis did find an association between higher protein intake and greater risk for fracture (22), but compared to the numerous more recent studies showing the opposite, this evidence isn’t very strong. Overall, the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis is not supported by physiology, clinical trials, or observational data.

Hopefully I’ve given you a decent understanding of how our bodies handle pH balance, and have reassured you that you don’t need to worry about the acidity of your urine with regards to bone health. Click HERE for part two where I tackle some of the other claims of the alkaline diet!

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  1. James Edens says

    I am glad to finally see a counter to this way of thinking that has been growing in popularity (with celebrities anyways and fancy water). I thought I read somewhere else on your webpage that there was a link between grain based diets and osteoporosis…. maybe there is but not through blood Ph.

    • Dave says

      It’s a counter to the popular idea sure, but is it true? Who’s to say this counter idea isn’t false? Just because there comes about an opposition to a popular belief does not nullify the legitimacy of the belief or practice. It could very well be true still that what we eat changes our blood PH, who can say for sure? No one.

      • David says

        the juries still out for me..this method has been here since the forties…also, Kagan water began efforts to market his product somewhere in the late thirties I think. Using some method to raise your ph to a certain level (on a regular basis),has been said to be done for prevention of a handful of things, and in the last twenty years, pollution, chemicals in the food, water air,..kinda cause your “regular” ph (7.4) to be mis- interpreted.

      • Keen says

        Did you not read the article? We know for sure, because if your blood PH changed with the food you ate, you would be dead. A major change to the blood PH level, kills you. Do you really think that humans would have evolved and survived if something as simple as eating too much meat could kill us?

        Think, for goodness sake.

        Eating meat is what caused us to evolve into modern humans. How could it be the cause of illness?

        • Guillermo says

          I have not come across even one “alternative” pH blog that asserts our diets change our blood pH. In fact, most of them say upfront that blood pH remains constant regardless of diet therefore this post by Kresser not only doesn’t “dismantle” anything, it appears to just reaffirm what’s out there already.

          Try again.

          • Paleo Huntress says

            If the outraged arguments from the pH-theory believers made in the comments section of this article are any indication (and of course, they are), regardless of what you yourself have seen, there are clearly many who believed otherwise and have had that belief dismantled. Chris doesn’t need to try again, he already nailed it.

          • James says

            If the alkaline supporters are going to claim that the so-called “alkaline diet” alkalizes the body then what exactly is supposedly being alkalized if not the blood? Before you respond with some stupid answer such as “it alkalizes the cells” and completely embarrass yourself, try thinking. What regulates the pH of the tissues? Answer, the blood. Tissues do not alkalize themselves. They generate acids that need to be carried away to prevent acidosis.

        • bean says

          as u all know, the food are broken down into smaller molecules for absorption. And absorption is due to a few mechanisms, eg. due to different concentration of the solutes itself. If the food u eat contains more acidic molecules than alkaline molecules ( eg. amino acids, fatty acids or inorganic elements such as phosphoric acid used in carbonated drinks and also in lots of food preservatives ) and it will still be absorbed by the body due to different concentration gradient of the solutes doesnt that means more acidic food will cause more absorption of acidic molecules into the body and thus making the blood more acidic ?

          the reason our body still keeps blood pH in range is due to our body’s buffer system. And if we keep on taking in acidic food, more and more each day, how long do u think it will last until our body starts to pull out minerals from other reserves like tissues and organs ?

          • James says

            Bean: ” If the food u eat contains more acidic molecules than alkaline molecules ( eg. amino acids, fatty acids or inorganic elements such as phosphoric acid used in carbonated drinks and also in lots of food preservatives ) and it will still be absorbed by the body due to different concentration gradient of the solutes doesnt that means more acidic food will cause more absorption of acidic molecules into the body and thus making the blood more acidic ?”

            No. Keep in mind that ALL foods are made acidic in the stomach. And absorption is almost exclusively in the intestines. But when the acidic chyme leaves the stomach the acids in the chyme are neutralized by pancreatic bicarbonate. So the acids do not remain as acids.

            The different effects of digestion of different foods is the different enzymes needed to break the different foods down.

            Acids are needed in digestion to properly break down proteins, to absorb certain vitamins and to increase absorption of some minerals by converting them in to more absorbable salts.

            Bean: ” the reason our body still keeps blood pH in range is due to our body’s buffer system. And if we keep on taking in acidic food, more and more each day, how long do u think it will last until our body starts to pull out minerals from other reserves like tissues and organs ?”

            Again this is not the case. The body’s primary means of pH regulation is respiration. So as long as you are still breathing your body is still balancing most of its pH. Next on the list is hydrogen ion retention or excretion by the kidneys. So as long as you still have functional kidneys the body is regulating virtually all the remaining pH. These two mechanisms account for virtually all the pH regulation in the body. So you are not depleting any type of reserve with most pH regulation.

            The body does not pull minerals from organs. It can use bone minerals as a buffer, but this is only as a last resort and requires EXTREME acidosis, which is super rare. Even at that the body has other buffering systems other than respiration and ion excretion/retention it will use to balance pH long before it will use bones for buffering. Bottom line is that acidosis that bad being so extremely rare and with the body’s various other buffering systems it will use first it is extremely unlikely that you will ever meet anyone in your lifetime that had or will develop acidosis severe enough to cause bone demineralization from the acidosis. It is just so extremely rare to develop severe acidosis, and so much more rare to develop acidosis severe enough to demineralize bone.

            • Aaron says

              -Acid/base controlled by both lungs and kidneys

              -People can get an ABG (arterial blood gas) if they are concerned about their blood pH

              -Measuring your urine pH as an overall health determinant is non-sense.

              -I tried the pH diet thing for a while and I felt great. I’m type A blood so I at a lot of fruits, vegetables, nuts, fish, and chicken and very little red meat and processed foods…of course I felt great…but it wasn’t because of my urine pH. It was because the food I was putting in my body wasn’t processed junk and actual wholesome food.

            • bean says

              hi james
              our stomach only provides an acidic environment so the digestive enzymes can work appropriately for food digestion. The food are still absorbed as acids eg. protein = amino acids, fats = fatty acids, carbs = simple sugar (glucose) etc. What i am trying to make a point is, what food we take in does affects our body pH.

              Our body has 3 main buffer system, and yes, bicarbonate buffer system is the main one which has immediate effect by controlling our breathing rate. But this doesnt meant that other buffer systems are not working at the same time. It is still working at the same time but only at a slower rate. Virtually every processes in our body is never completely stopped. It is always regulated in such a way that when its too much, it slows down and when its too little, it speeds up, always in equilibrium.

              minerals are pulled out from time to time, but it is also replenished at the same time.

              what i am trying to imply here is that, even when our body pH is normal, our body might have already been pulling out too much of these minerals to compensate it. And when it still cant accommodate with it, the pH will continue to decrease, until it reach below 7.2 and thats when its called metabolic acidosis.

              so if we can take in food which has a higher net alkaline pH, i personally think it can help regulate pH, and lessen the burden on our body.

              take a look at the world these days, why do number of patients with degenerative diseases (diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease etc ) keeps on increasing ? there is a link between the food they take in and these diseases, and lots of researches found it to be because of pH and they are trying to educate the world to live a healthier lifestyle by sharing their studies. While there is still no way to prove everything they say is right, the same way goes to u, there is no way u can prove that what they is wrong too. Besides, there is no harm eating more alkaline diet.

              • James says

                Bean: “our stomach only provides an acidic environment so the digestive enzymes can work appropriately for food digestion.”

                Stomach acid serves other purposes other than allowing pepsin to digest proteins. Stomach acid also kills most ingested pathogens, reduces fermentation and thus acid reflux, aids in the absorption of minerals and also aids in the absorption of vitamins B6, B12 and folate.

                Bean: “The food are still absorbed as acids eg. protein = amino acids, fats = fatty acids, carbs = simple sugar (glucose) etc. ”

                Glucose is not an acid. And other components of food can be absorbed or not absorbed in different forms. Minerals are reacted with stomach acid to form more absorbable salts, insoluble fibers are not absorbed but rather fermented in the gut, etc.

                Bean: “What i am trying to make a point is, what food we take in does affects our body pH.”

                Yes and no. The main effect ALL foods provide as far as pH goes is the fact that all foods are metabolized in to acids in the long run, many of which are essential to our health, energy production and existence. As far as alkalizing, food has virtually no influence on pH regulation. Virtually all pH regulation within the body is controlled by respiration followed by kidney excretion or retention of hydrogen ions. None of this is directly controlled by diet.

                As for the bicarbonate system of respiration this should be differentiated from the pancreatic bicarbonate since so much of the alkaline hypothesis is based on the alkaline response. The alkaline response is the release of pancreatic bicarbonate to neutralize acidity of chyme. This is not just a response with some foods as is often claimed. It is a response that occurs with ALL foods.

                Bean: “But this doesnt meant that other buffer systems are not working at the same time.”

                Nobody ever claimed they were. But these other sources of buffering only account for a very tiny fraction of the pH buffering of the body. And some such as buffering by bone minerals may never occur in a person being that this is a last resort buffer and wold require a very severe case of acidosis, which is EXTREMELY rare.

                And this does not address the main focus of Kessler’s blog article which really about the mythical “alkaline diet”. The point is that diet DOES NOT really play any significant role in alkalizing the blood. In order for something we ingest to have any alkalizing effect on the blood the person would have to overwhelm the stomach acid with an alkalizer, which is a very dangerous thing to do considering the various roles of stomach acid.

                Bean: “minerals are pulled out from time to time, but it is also replenished at the same time.”

                Pulled from where? Again, bones are used as a buffering source only as a last resort and so is an EXTREMELY rare event.

                Bones are continually being broken down and rebuilt to keep them healthy, but this has absolutely nothing with pH balancing of blood.

                Bean: “what i am trying to imply here is that, even when our body pH is normal, our body might have already been pulling out too much of these minerals to compensate it. ”

                Again, pulled from where?

                And also again keep in mind that the the bast majority of pH regulation for the body is controlled through respiration followed by kidney activity. Neither of which involve pulling minerals from anywhere. Neither does most of the remaining, minor, pH buffering activities, such as protein buffering.

                Bean: “so if we can take in food which has a higher net alkaline pH, i personally think it can help regulate pH, and lessen the burden on our body.”

                One of the points that keeps coming up is that there is NO such thing as a truly acid or truly alkaline food. Most of the so-called “alkaline foods” are full of naturally occurring acids. Part of the alkaline myth comes from the fact people mistake the release of alkaline pancreatic bicarbonate for an alkalizing effect on the blood. In fact, I am sure we have all heard the claim about how drinking lemon juice is alkalizing. This again is a misinterpretation of the alkaline response, which is simply a release of pancreatic bicarbonate to neutralize acids in the chyme released in to the intestines. ALL foods create this same response though, even a candy bar. And this IS NOT affecting blood pH. The other part of the problem is that the so-called “alkaline food charts” are based on measuring the ash content of foods, which DOES NOT show if a food is acidic or alkaline to begin with. Again, many of these foods called alkaline are loaded with naturally occurring acids. Ignoring the acid content of these foods does not make those acids magically disappear. It just shows how easy it is to manipulate research to make whatever ridiculous claims someone wishes to make.

                These people are also ignoring the fact that ALL foods are eventually metabolized in to acids. So how can one food such as kale, loaded with acids, be alkaline when a spoonful of sugar, which has NO acid in it is considered acidic? Before answering keep in mind that the sugars in the kale will be metabolized in to the same acid as the sugar, plus other acids on top of that. This is a good example of why people need to use some common sense if they are not going to rely on real science.

                Even the people pushing the alkaline diet cannot seem to agree. Have you looked at the various acid food/alkaline food charts? One chart will claim that a food is alkaline while another chart will claim the same food is acid. There is no consensus because there is no real science or facts backing the claims up.

                Bean: “take a look at the world these days, why do number of patients with degenerative diseases (diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease etc ) keeps on increasing ? there is a link between the food they take in and these diseases, and lots of researches found it to be because of pH”

                These have NOTHING to do with an acidic pH.

                For example, diabetes. Type 1 can be either autoimmune, or can occur from alloxan or some other chemicals or result from trauma. None of these are the result of acidity. Type 2 diabetes is from the closing or decreased sensitivity of insulin receptors due to a lack of chromium and/or magnesium, or excessive body fat. Gestational diabetes is the result of a hormone imbalance. Again, none of these forms being caused by acidity. Autoimmune induced diabetes though can be helped with ascorbic acid, pantothenic acid and gymnemic acid.

                High blood pressure has various causes including epinephrine, angiotensin, various medications such as Prednisone or NSAIDs calcium (which happens to be considered alkaline), sodium retention (sodium is also alkaline), elevated insulin and even excess alkalinity since this constricts blood vessels. Carbonic acid in the blood actually lowers blood pressure by dilating blood vessels.

                Heart disease is the result of arterial damage and inflammation, not acidity. In fact, ascorbic acid and orthosilicic acid in particular can help prevent heart disease.

                Other diseases often falsely blamed on acidity include osteoporosis and osteoarthritis. Neither of these conditions are caused from acidity, but are helped by amino acids, ascorbic acid and especially orthosilicic acid. Hyaluronic acid is also good for osteoarthritis.

                Bean: “Besides, there is no harm eating more alkaline diet.”

                The so-called “alkaline diet” is more nutritious. But still promoting the diet as alkalizing when it does not alkalize the blood as claimed only makes the holistic community look like a bunch of quacks for promoting ideas proven as scientific quackery. I don’t know what you want, but I want holistic medicine to be taken seriously. And the only way that is going to occur is to stop promoting proven bogus claims as fact.

                • bean says

                  HI james
                  it does sounds to have a different meaning from what i am trying to say when the 2 sentences are pull apart and looked at individually. what i was trying to meant is that stomach acids provides an acidic environment and the food are stilled absorbed as its simplest form. I knew glucose is not an acid its a simple sugar, thats why i wrote it as it is. I just used the term acids to make an impact on our main topic (acidity of food ) and then i just wanna show that i do know what carbs are broken down into and thats why i accidentally made that wrong statement. I am sorry if i confuse u. As far as i know minerals are absorbed in the ionized form. (eg. ca2+, mg2+) it will form salts but when it passes through membranes, it will dissociates and still transported as ions. Either way, salts are neutral, it doesnt change the fact that other acids are absorbed into our body and thus results in a net acidic gained in our body.

                  quoted from your statement,
                  “The main effect ALL foods provide as far as pH goes is the fact that all foods are metabolized in to acids in the long run, many of which are essential to our health, energy production and existence.”
                  doesnt this meant that certain food will increase acids in the body ? i do know acids are essential for us, but too much of anything is never good for our body. And whats happening in our world nowadays (mostly 1st world countries) is that they are taking in way too much of these than is required for the body.

                  While searching for how minerals are pulled out from bones, i accidentally came across this from ncbi.

                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11446566

                  Eight healthy volunteers underwent a four-day metabolic preparation with two types of diets, one rich in acid ash-forming nutrients, and one providing base-forming nutrients (including bicarbonate-rich mineral water), both having similar contents of calcium, phosphate, sodium, proteins and calories. On the fourth day, a single oral dose of 1 g calcium was given, either as carbonate or as gluconolactate. Serial blood and urine samples revealed that the DIET AFFECTED BLOOD PH (average difference 0.014, p=0.002) and urine pH (average difference 1.02, p<0.0001) in the expected direction, but had no influence on the absorption of the calcium supplement.
                  However this is a study about calcium retention not whether food affects acidity.

                  To focus on kresser's topic, (whether food affects pH), u can skip this part below which is mainly about acidosis.

                  Acidosis refers to a process that causes a low pH in blood and tissues. Metabolic acidosis is either due to increased generation of acid or an inability to generate sufficient bicarbonate. It dont have to be severe for our body to start looking for other sources of alkali forming substances, because our body already dont have the means to keep the pH in normal range. and we may never know if we had acidosis even when our pH is normal. It might just be normal for a while while our body compensates it and it slowly decreases till below pH 7.35 which doctors may finally start to diagnose it as metabolic acidosis. the reason why people is saying only under EXTREME conditions, that minerals are pulled out is that people can noticed it much easier under such conditions. It doesnt prove that under normal conditions it doesnt happen.

                  osteoporosis doesnt happen in a few days, it takes a very long time for it to happen. while i am totally supportive that its a combinations of few factors over the years that caused it and pH is one of them.

                  to answer your question to NO such thing as a truly acid or truly alkaline food, it is understandable that everyone is talking about whether the food will form more acids than alkalies or the other way around, in other words, net forming acids or alkalies. We all do know food doesnt consists of just one element in its chemical composition. While the way they define alkaline food maybe wrong, it doesnt prove that all the food in this world is not net forming acids or alkalies. and just because there is no real science or facts to prove it doesnt makes it a false statement. It works both ways u know ? it may still be correct or it maybe wrong.

                  If what u are supporting on kresser's theory that food doesnt affects blood pH is right, u can try drinking acidic water produced by enagic's Kangen water machine which is produced through electrolysis (means the pH is regulated by concentration of H+ and OH- of H20). Since u said food doesnt affect blood pH, so these acidic water shouldnt affect u as well. Connect it through a drinkable source so u can be sure that the water is "safe" to drink.

                  continue your eating habits and lifestyle as same. Dont change anything aside from drinking acidic water.

                  Be sure to do a full body check before and after u try this. ABG, renal function test, bone mineral density test, are of particular importance and any other associated tests u can think of. This way u can clear the myth once and for all. We will be very grateful to u to uncover this myth that has been hunting us for life.

                  anyhow this is advantageous for u. If u found out that u are right, u can sue a lot of big companies and powerful people. And in case if food does affects pH, u just helped prove a really significant discovery which can change the lives of billions maybe trillions. I will always respect u as my Hero.

                • James says

                  Bean: “what i was trying to meant is that stomach acids provides an acidic environment and the food are stilled absorbed as its simplest form. ”

                  Yes, but as I said the acidity serves multiple purposes. As far as digestion and absorption its role is in the breakdown of proteins and acidification of minerals to make them more absorbable and to enhance absorption of some vitamins.

                  As for the absorption of other things, yes they are absorbed in their broken down forms. Not all of these require stomach acid though.

                  Bean: “As far as i know minerals are absorbed in the ionized form. (eg. ca2+, mg2+) it will form salts but when it passes through membranes, it will dissociates and still transported as ions. ”

                  Yes, but some salts are easier to disassociate, which again is why the reaction of minerals with stomach acid enhance their absorption.

                  Bean: “Either way, salts are neutral, it doesnt change the fact that other acids are absorbed into our body and thus results in a net acidic gained in our body.”

                  Not necessarily. You are overlooking the buffering systems for one, which start before absorption. And then look at amino acids, which are actually broken down in to highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia. To reduce the toxic ammonia the ammonia is reacted with carbonic acid to form uric acid, which is one of the body’s primary antioxidants. And in the process carbonic acid levels are decreased. The uric acid can then be hydrolyzed and passed off as urea.

                  Bean: “quoted from your statement,
                  “The main effect ALL foods provide as far as pH goes is the fact that all foods are metabolized in to acids in the long run, many of which are essential to our health, energy production and existence.”
                  doesnt this meant that certain food will increase acids in the body ? ”

                  Yes, acids we can exist or function without. And yes, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. But this is why the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its required acidity level. The body’s primary two means are not a reserve and thus we never deplete anything in the process. Keep in mind that the body has been regulating its pH WITHOUT outside assistance ever since humans have existed on this planet. People should be smart enough to realize that when they try to force the body in to an alkaline state when it already maintains an alkaline state is ludicrous and dangerous. This just puts more stress on the body as it has to work much harder to restore the levels of acidity it again needs to survive and function.

                  Bean: “And whats happening in our world nowadays (mostly 1st world countries) is that they are taking in way too much of these than is required for the body. ”

                  Too much of what? There is NO such thing as a truly acid or truly alkaline food. It DOES NOT matter if you consume argula lettuce or a Snicker’s bar. They are both going to be metabolized in the same exact matter by the body and will both be metabolized in to acids in the long run. Ironically, if you think about the science the arugula lettuce will end up providing more acids to the body than the Snicker’s bar even though alkaline supporters will claim the arugula is alkaline and the Snicker’s bar is acidic. Again, alkaline supporters come to these false conclusions because they fail to consider the chemistry of the food and how they are metabolized in the body. They are simply guessing at things, which is also why so many alkaline food charts contradict each other. Lot’s of guessing and opinions going on but no solid science.

                  Bean: “While searching for how minerals are pulled out from bones, i accidentally came across this from ncbi.

                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11446566

                  Other than the super obvious problems with this study including low number of participants, extremely short testing duration and no collaborating studies there is still one big glaring error they overlooked that can explain their results. And it has NOTHING to do with pH.

                  The body can only utilize so much calcium at a time and the rest is going to get excreted to prevent the very dangerous condition hypercalcemia. The researchers used two forms of calcium. One form that is very poorly absorbed (the alkaline form) and one that is highly absorbed (the acidic form). This higher levels of the acidic form will reach the blood and thus more of the excess gets excreted when the body cannot utilize it. This is basic science and basic human physiology they overlooked. Again, this is why larger, better designed and controlled studies need to be done and to collaborate the findings rather than assuming something based on the findings.

                  Bean: “Acidosis refers to a process that causes a low pH in blood and tissues. Metabolic acidosis is either due to increased generation of acid or an inability to generate sufficient bicarbonate. ”

                  Which has what to do with what? Have you considered how EXTREMELY rare acidosis really is? Or why the opposite, alkalosis, is considered extremely more dangerous than acidosis? Both conditions are EXTREMELY rare since the body regulates its pH REGARDLESS of what we eat. That is the point of the blog article and has been proven by science.

                  Bean: “It dont have to be severe for our body to start looking for other sources of alkali forming substances, because our body already dont have the means to keep the pH in normal range.”

                  Again, the body DOES NOT have to seek out alkali forming substances since virtually all pH regulation is through respiration followed by ion secretion or retention by the kidneys. NO alkaline reserves required and no having to seek out alkaline forming substances in these methods that account for virtually all pH regulation in the body.

                  Bean: ” It might just be normal for a while while our body compensates it and it slowly decreases till below pH 7.35 which doctors may finally start to diagnose it as metabolic acidosis. the reason why people is saying only under EXTREME conditions, that minerals are pulled out is that people can noticed it much easier under such conditions. It doesnt prove that under normal conditions it doesnt happen.”

                  Proof goers both ways. There is no proof that this does happen either.

                  But explain to everyone here how it is that athletes with high protein consumption, which is considered acidic, still maintain a high bone density if your hypothesis is true?

                  Bean: “osteoporosis doesnt happen in a few days, it takes a very long time for it to happen. while i am totally supportive that its a combinations of few factors over the years that caused it and pH is one of them.”

                  Evidence? A lack of ascorbic acid, amino acids, and especially orthosilicic acid will lead to osteoporosis, but that is as close to having to do with pH as it gets.

                  Research bone anatomy and physiology for a while and you may finally figure out why.

                  Bean: “to answer your question to NO such thing as a truly acid or truly alkaline food, it is understandable that everyone is talking about whether the food will form more acids than alkalies or the other way around, in other words, net forming acids or alkalies. ”

                  And as I pointed out earlier arugula lettuce, considered alkaline, will generate more acids than a Snicker’s bar, which is considered acidic. Do you know why? When you figure out the answer you will realize how ridiculous the whole acid food-alkaline food hypothesis is.

                  Further adding to the ridiculousness of this hypothesis is the fact I pointed out several times in the past that the whole hypothesis is based on measuring ONLY the alkaline ash content of plants. So they ignored the acid content to begin with, which assuming this is an indicator of pH is just EXTREMELY poor science to begin with.

                  This also failed to take in to account the rest of the chemistry of the plant that can affect the alkaline mineral content. For example, oxalic acid found in high levels in various plants such as kale, spinach, parsley, purslane, etc. will block the absorption of alkaline calcium. Again, assuming alkaline ash content equates to alkaline effect in the body is just extremely poor science.

                  In fact, milk is loaded with calcium, which is considered alkaline. Yet the alkaline diet myth supporters claim raw milk is alkaline, even though milk’s proteins interfere with calcium absorption and that pasteurized milk is acidic even though it has the same exact alkaline ash content as the milk they claim is alkaline. Again, there is a whole lot of guessing and assuming going on propagating the alkaline diet myth, but no real science.

                  Bean: “While the way they define alkaline food maybe wrong, it doesnt prove that all the food in this world is not net forming acids or alkalies.”

                  And there is NO real scientific evidence proving it does. On the other hand science has proven that foods are all metabolized in the same manner and that ALL foods, even the so-called “alkaline foods” will metabolize in to acids.

                  Science has also proven that many of the so-called “alkaline foods” are loaded with naturally occurring acids. A fact the alkaline diet myth supporters keep ignoring. And the scientifically proven fact that ALL foods are made acidic in the stomach and the chyme alkalized in the intestine (the “alkaline response”).

                  Bean: “It works both ways u know ? it may still be correct or it maybe wrong.”

                  A fact that I have been trying to get across to you over an over. Glad to see you finally catching on.

                  But science has shown repeatedly how the body regulates its pH to maintain that very narrow pH required for survival. And thus we know that virtually all the body’s pH regulation DOES NOT involve any “alkaline reserves” as the alkaline diet myth supporters imply so often. So where is your proof that if someone eats a steak that their blood pH will start to acidify or that if they drink lemon juice that their blood will start to alkalize as the alkaline diet myth supporters claim?

                  Bean: “If what u are supporting on kresser’s theory that food doesnt affects blood pH is right, u can try drinking acidic water produced by enagic’s Kangen water machine which is produced through electrolysis (means the pH is regulated by concentration of H+ and OH- of H20). Since u said food doesnt affect blood pH, so these acidic water shouldnt affect u as well. ”

                  Water is not a food. Since you don’t understand that concept I am beginning to understand why you are not grasping the science that proves the alkaline diet hypothesis is a complete myth.

                  Bean: “continue your eating habits and lifestyle as same. Dont change anything aside from drinking acidic water.

                  Be sure to do a full body check before and after u try this. ABG, renal function test, bone mineral density test, are of particular importance and any other associated tests u can think of. This way u can clear the myth once and for all.”

                  REAL science has already proven the alkaline diet is a myth. If you disagree though then you are welcome to follow your own advice and to undergo the testing you describe so you can prove or disprove YOUR point. Of course you will not do it if you have doubts about your own claims. So I doubt you will ever do the testing yourself to find out the truth already backed by science.

                  Bean: “anyhow this is advantageous for u. If u found out that u are right, u can sue a lot of big companies and powerful people. And in case if food does affects pH, u just helped prove a really significant discovery which can change the lives of billions maybe trillions. I will always respect u as my Hero.”

                  I am not out to be anyone’s hero. But again, if you really believe in your claims and want to prove science wrong and maybe win a Nobel Prize then you really should follow your own testing advice. As for me I am not stupid enough to put my hand on a hot stove to find out if it will really burn. Again, science has already proven many things to us so we do not have to put ourselves in danger to prove already proven facts.

              • Robin says

                You are so very ‘RIGHT’ – It’s quite simple really! Common sense tells us the food we eat will impact our health! The same goes for exercise! I’ve been doing my own research on PH levels and find absolutely ‘nothing’ wrong with keeping atop your PH levels while eating the right foods in addition to changing your eating habits and or life style in order to be healthy! Why not? – afterall, there is so much to gain from it even IF nothing has been proven! Either way, you are jump starting your body when you start thinking ‘POSITIVE’ and begin eating healthy foods! There will ALWAYS be someone to contradict a theory, it’s ‘human nature’ So be it! Smile and make it a ‘powerful’ day!

                • James says

                  Robin: ” Common sense tells us the food we eat will impact our health!”

                  True, but not because of changing pH since they don’t alkalize the blood. The benefits from healthy foods come from the higher nutritional content and the various beneficial phytochemicals that include a number of acids, phytoestrogens, quinones, glucosinolates, sterols, saponins, etc. Again, foods DO NOT alkalize the blood unless what you ingest dangerously overwhelms the body’s natural pH buffering systems.

                  Robin: “I’ve been doing my own research on PH levels and find absolutely ‘nothing’ wrong with keeping atop your PH levels while eating the right foods in addition to changing your eating habits and or life style in order to be healthy! Why not?”

                  Because the body maintains its pH REGARDLESS of what you eat again unless you dangerously overwhelm the body’s natural pH buffering systems. Otherwise diet plays no significant role in alkalizing the blood.

                  Robin: “There will ALWAYS be someone to contradict a theory, it’s ‘human nature’ ”

                  People don’t disprove theories. Real science does.

                  Theories though disprove hypotheses such as the alkaline diet hypotheses, which has already been definitively disproven.

                • Robin says

                  Good morning James! :) Quite frankly your comment doesn’t even warrant a response, simply because you missed my ‘point’ 10 fold! Not uncommon for those that feel the need to be ‘right fighter’s’ – and for what??? Is it that you want to save the world and it’s people for harmlessly wanting to check their PH levels??? Not such a terrible thing now is it???? Haaaa! I’m certain you will spend a half day now writing a response to my comment – haaaaa! Knock yourself out James – I’ve got an amazing and healthy life to enjoy – you should try it! :) Blessings and best wishes! :)

                • James says

                  Robin: “Good morning James! :) Quite frankly your comment doesn’t even warrant a response”

                  And yet you still felt so compelled so you could get your jabs in. Someone clearly has some suppressed anger issues just wanting to come out.

                  James: “Not uncommon for those that feel the need to be ‘right fighter’s’”

                  LOL!!! “Right fighter”? So because I was agreeing with you that the food we eat impacts our health I am a “right fighter”? Yep, you definitely have some suppressed anger issues. The only thing I disagreed with was your implication that the health impacts are from pH changes, which science, not myself has proven wrong.

                  Robin: ” Is it that you want to save the world and it’s people for harmlessly wanting to check their PH levels??? Not such a terrible thing now is it???? Haaaa!”

                  Checking what pH? Saliva and urine? Which tell them what? Neither reflect blood pH whatsoever. Are you really stupid enough to go get blood drawn to have your pH tested every time you eat since this is the ONLY way to know your blood pH?

                  So is promoting the urine and salivary pH reflects the blood pH myth really harmless as you imply? No, because if people incorrectly think they are acidic based on these tests that cannot tell them their blood pH then they may try to alkalize their systems through dangerous practices such as drinking baking soda or ionized alkaline waters. These can put a lot of stress on the body and worse yet lead to all sorts of adverse health issues. All because they fell for the saliva or urinary pH reflects blood pH myth.

                  Robin: ” I’m certain you will spend a half day now writing a response to my comment ”

                  Nope, you were wrong yet again. Took less that 10 minutes to address your BS!!!

                  You did provide a great example of why people, such as yourself, should not try to argue over things they have no clue about. Thanks for that public service.

                • finndian says

                  Beware the man who thinks he knows everything! I went to a doctor who made his living treating Quadrilateral space syndrome… I believe he even named the condition in the 80′s. Its a nerve condition in and around the scapula. It often strikes competitive athletes and and I kid you not… welders that weld overhead. The ex-professional pitcher Rollie Fingers has/had QSS.

                  Anyone with half a brain would put two and two together and determine that the welders and pro athletes SWEAT. You sweat out water soluble vitamins. In my case I was an endurance athlete and hadn’t eaten red meat in 20 years. When I developed QSS my common sense said….GET YOURSELF SOME B12… quick!! The doctor who made his living operating on so called QSS patients didn’t want to give it to me so I got it on my own and began injecting once a week. When I recovered quickly from QSS he said he’d “misdiagnosed” and I never had it after all. He was so disappointed.

                  If I’d followed James’s thinking that dependance on research and studies should determine a course of action I’d be cut open by this idiot that didn’t want to kill his cash cow with the truth to the matter.

                  Studies and research often follow the money and common sense goes out the window. Listen to your body and all the signs it gives you including urinary PH is my advice. Others who ridicule or try to dissuade you from listening to your body are in it for ego reasons, upholding the status quo or they are just internet trolls and should be ignored.

                • James says

                  finndian: “If I’d followed James’s thinking that dependance on research and studies should determine a course of action I’d be cut open by this idiot that didn’t want to kill his cash cow with the truth to the matter.”

                  ROTFLMAO!!!! If you were not such a complete moron Finndian you would know that real science has already proven the role B12 plays in treating nerve damage. Same reason I also recommend B12 as well as other components needed to heal nerves for nerve damage issues.

                  At least you are finally figuring out what science has been aware of for a very long time!!!!

    • says

      Hi James….I am enjoying your comments. Regarding grains and osteoporosis…..It is said thru research and the like that grain-based diets do contribute to mineral displacement in the body due to phytic acid content in the grain. This goes for nuts and seeds as well and to a lesser degree beans. (Beans contain mostly enzyme inhibitors, which is still an issue with breaking down foods and assimilation in the gut) Peoples all over the world have been eating grains for thousands of years with no osteoporosis (at least not to our knowledge). These peoples have also been preparing said grains in a way to break down these ‘anti-nutrients’ to make assimilation of minerals more complete as well as eliminating the cause of mineral displacement. So I feel this is a missing element in our modern lifestyle not too mention our food pyramid is set up so grains are on the bottom which I feel is just wrong….grains have a place, but not such a predominant one. It cannot be dismissed though, the amount of caffeine (increases the excretion in minerals from the body) (coffee contains phytic acids too though) and dark sodas consumed also plays a role in mineral displacement and osteoporosis as well as low stomach acidity though poor diet and the use of proton pump inhibitors and H2 antagonists (to a lesser degree). All this contributes to our osteoporosis ‘epidemic’ IMO. :)

      • James says

        Hi Sara,

        Different James here.

        The first thing people need to realize is that osteoporosis IS NOT a loss of bone minerals. A loss of bone minerals leads to osteopenia and osteomalacia, not osteoporosis. Osteoporosis is the result of a loss of collagen matrix in the bone, which is the framework that gives bone most of its strength and allows the bone to flex to absorb force reducing the risk of fracture.

        One of the reasons the osteoporosis “treating” bisphosphonate drugs, such as Boniva and Actonel, increase the risk of bone fractures is because they over-mineralize the collagen matrix so the bone can no longer flex and thus cannot absorb force like healthy bone.

        Anyway, osteoporosis is a loss of collagen matrix. This reduces the surface area by which the minerals can deposit thus reducing bone density.

        The phytic acid claims are a myth I have addressed a number of times.

        First of all phytic acid levels quickly decline with cooking. Most of the phytic acid sources we consume are cooked before consumption.

        Secondly, phytic acid in plants are already bound to minerals the plants picked up from the soil. So how can this phytic acid rob the body of minerals when it is already saturated with minerals? The ONLY way the phytic acid can bind to a mineral from the body is if it gives up the minerals it is already bound to. Therefore, the phytic acid is not “robbing” the body of minerals as is often falsely claimed. The phytic acid is exchanging minerals with the body.

        In addition, most people don’t realize that phytic acid has a higher affinity for toxic heavy metals and dangerous free iron than it does beneficial minerals. Therefore, phytic acid can help remove toxic heavy metals, and can help reduce oxidative damage to tissues as well as reduce iron dependent pathogens and cancer cells by binding the free iron. This is why free phytic acid (inositol hexaphosphate, IP6) is sold in health food stores and is often used in the treatment of cancer.

        Enzyme inhibitors are also removed by pre-soaking, or destroyed by cooking and are even reduced during long term storage. Since many seeds, such as beans, can be stored for years before reaching the market their levels of enzyme inhibitors are likely low to begin with.

        Coffee also contains oxalic acid and tannic acids that also interfere with nutrient absorption, such as calcium.

        Dark sodas contain phosphoric acid, which increases serum phosphorus levels. This leads to calcium removal from bones due to inducing pseudohyperparathyroidism (PHPT). PHPT increases the release of parathyroid hormone, which releases calcium from bones to balance out the calcium-phosphorus ratio in the blood.

        Low stomach acid will interfere with proper mineral absorption. Several other causes include antacids, and the consumption of baking soda or alkaline waters.

        • says

          I understand all this James…thanks for reiterating and all….but you are preaching to the choir. I was just giving some examples of how our stomach acids decrease, not a comprehensive list as well as major points regarding phytic acid…yes oxalates can be harmful in regards to mineral absorption and they are in general ‘hard’ on the kidneys if eaten too often. But cooking will break these down pretty readily. Phytic acids, not so much since not all phytic acids are broken down thru cooking. This is plain ole science, but yes, heat, acidity, pH, fermentation and time all break down these ‘antinutrients. It still cannot be explained away in its implication in displacing mineral in the body. Enzyme disrupters are broken down by the same processes and not at all completely broken down unless pre-soaked with added acid and the pH is altered. And in the case of soy, fermentation. You need to cook beans for a very long time if pre-soaking in vinegar and salt is not done prior to cooking. Again, there is science on this too.

          I do think it interesting that osteopenia is suggested as a stage before osteoporosis by mainstream medicine. I always thought this bunk and still do. Interesting about the bone matrix….being that it is a protein, seems stomach acid may come into play here as well….

        • says

          Dear “Different” James,

          I am working on the issue of a possible electromagnetic effect on human body thru means of measuring voltage and pH if possible. pH measurement is technically possible with liquids only and pH is forcefully regulated in blood so then do I need to measure liquids from tissue? Secondly, although EM energy is net charge neutral, its effect may create charge movement and changes in electricity (and naturally magnetism) of the body. For optical and UV part, the issue has been checked by one of my friends in another PhD dissertation successfully. But as you know UV and high frequency EM radiation has higher energy and it may cause such effects much easily {such as electron removal, DNA strand breaking etc}.
          I am not sure on my work how it would be.
          Please kindly comment/advise since I am far from medical science.
          Kind regards…

        • James III says

          don’t all sodas, whether dark or light have phosphoric acid whether 7UP, Ginger Ale or Coke and therefore leach calcium? Don’t you think that is part of the epidemic – the insane quantities of soda pop that kids and general population drink?

          • James says

            No, all sodas DO NOT contain phosphoric acid. Only colas contain phosphoric acid. All colas do contain carbonic acid though.

            Still, neither carbonic acid nor phosphoric acid leach minerals from the bones. This is another myth.

            Hi levels of phosphorus from acid or alkaline sources can lead to bone loss though, although this has nothing to do with pH. High levels of phosphorus.can make the body think there is an imbalance between calcium and phosphorus. As a result the parathyroid glands secrete parathyroid hormone (PTH), which in turn releases calcium from the bone to balance out the perceived calcium-phosphorus imbalance.

        • bean says

          Hi different james,

          In osteoporosis, the bone mineral density (BMD) is reduced, bone microarchitecture deteriorates, and the amount and variety of proteins in bone are altered. Osteoporosis is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as a bone mineral density of 2.5 standard deviations or more below the mean peak bone mass

          osteoporosis is not loss of collagen only

          • James says

            Bean: “In osteoporosis, the bone mineral density (BMD) is reduced, bone microarchitecture deteriorates, and the amount and variety of proteins in bone are altered. Osteoporosis is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as a bone mineral density of 2.5 standard deviations or more below the mean peak bone mass

            osteoporosis is not loss of collagen only”

            Actually osteoporosis is a loss of collagen matrix, not a loss of bone minerals. A loss of bone minerals results in osteomalacia or osteopenia.

            Is there a loss of bone mineral density (BMD) in osteoporosis? Yes, but not from mineral loss from bones. With the loss of collagen matrix (or “bone microarchitecture” as you put it) there is less surface are for the DEPOSITION (opposite of loss) of minerals resulting in a loss of BMD. So the decline in BMD is the symptom of the osteoporosis, not the cause.

            A simple analogy is with the growth of marine animals on hard surfaces. Let’s say you have a cement wall in the ocean. If you have a wall with 500 square feet of surface area for the animals to grow on then you will have a greater abundance of marine animals than if you reduced the surface area to half that at 250 square feet. Bone collagen is like the cement wall giving a place for the marine life, representing the bone minerals, to deposit. The loss of surface area of that cement wall is like the loss of collagen matrix in bone reducing surface area for mineralization.

            If you still don’t understand this concept then I suggest you research more on how bones form including the role of the collagen matrix including its role in the actual mineralization of the matrix.

            • bean says

              hi different james

              while i can search on the internet everywhere that says osteoporosis is cased by loss of minerals, i cant seem to find any of it saying osteoporosis is loss of collagen matrix. Is it possible that loss of minerals is the main cause that results in loss of collagen ?

              maybe the knowledge is too deep that everyone explains it as loss of minerals or u are explaining it using your own understandings which is different from others

              • James says

                while i can search on the internet everywhere that says osteoporosis is cased by loss of minerals, i cant seem to find any of it saying osteoporosis is loss of collagen matrix. Is it possible that loss of minerals is the main cause that results in loss of collagen ?”

                I have found the information before, so I already know it exists. If you cannot find it on the internet then I suggest you try a medical library. Not all health information and studies can be found on the internet.

                As for the last part of your comment the answer is no. A loss of minerals is not going to affect collagen levels. Again, learn some bone anatomy and physiology so you understand how bone forms and you will see why.

                Bean: “maybe the knowledge is too deep that everyone explains it as loss of minerals or u are explaining it using your own understandings which is different from others”

                It is not “deep” at all, it is super simplistic. I even gave you an analogy to help you to understand the principle just in case you still did not get the overly simplistic concept of how osteoporosis forms.

                You know what, just to prove my point I did a search on collagen loss in osteoporosis. You claim you could not find anything anywhere on the internet. Yet is took me less than 30 seconds to find this:

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15951132

                And it took less than another minute to find the study: The role of collagen in bone strength Osteoporos Int (2006) 17: 319–336 In a PDF on the internet. In this study you will find statements such as:

                “To illustrate the role of the crosslinking
                process of collagen in bone strength, clinical
                disorders associated with bone collagen abnormalities
                and bone fragility, such as osteogenesis imperfecta and
                osteoporosis, are described.” And: “In postmenopausal and
                idiopathic osteoporosis, there is increasing evidence that
                a high remodeling with a negative bone balance induces
                bone loss and modification of the microarchitecture,
                such as decreased trabecular thickness and loss of connectivity,
                decreased cortical thickness, and increased
                cortical porosity. The high remodeling rate is associated
                with decreased bone mineralization that may reduce
                bone stiffness and may be associated with a modification
                of the content of collagen crosslinks.” Note where they clearly state “associated
                with decreased bone mineralization”. Where have we heard that before? Ah, that’s right, it is what I said numerous times earlier. And: “Several biochemical studies performed on bone
                specimens taken from patients with osteoporosis have
                shown abnormalities in posttranslational modifications
                of collagen. An overhydroxylation of lysine residues and
                an overglycosylation of hydroxylysine have been reported
                [145–147], resulting in the formation of fibrils of
                small diameter [148] that may affect the collagen fiber’s
                ability to mineralize normally”. Wow, again a reference with IMPROPER MINERALIZATION as I said, not mineral loss as you claim.

                I could go on and on finding the evidence for you and pointing these things out for you. But it is not my job to do the homework for you. But the fact you could not find any of this information anywhere on the internet when it took me less than a few minutes to find two studies shows you are either really terrible at research or you simply did not put any effort in to trying to find out the facts.

    • Taraveah says

      I agree. It is welcoming to hear an opposing view and the more I read about raw and vegan diets, the more I am certain that they are not healthy for you, or at the very least, do not accomplish what proponents of those diets claim and that is to be disease free. Not to mention, proponents of these diets look mal-nourished and skeletal in their appearanace. Far from healthy in my opinion. While I agree that it is a good idea to avoid sugar and processed foods, I think that more evidence is showing that going to extremes in the opposite direction (raw and vegan, for example) provide no real health benefits and in fact can be detrimental to your health, unless you like looking like skin stretched over a skeleton and having to take multi-vitamins religiously.

    • Andrew Sergiou Dionisiou says

      Chris, there appears to be proof that alkalinity can be of great benefit in achieving wellness even if this conclusion was reached from analysing the results of a trial using rats.
      Please consider this. I welcome your feedback. This is not something to ignore. After all rats (and dogs) are the two animals scientists mainly use to test drugs on because of their body system’s similarity to man’s. If a test shows a specific reaction in one of these animals, it is expected that a similar result is to be expected with humans.

      The trial done with rats (shown below) indicates that alkalinity may very well play a BIG part in good health. Of course try
      everything under the care of a caring and trusted health professional including a fully qualified herbalist.

      J Am Soc Nephrol 9: 1242-1248, 1998
      Potassium Citrate/Citric Acid (ALKALINE) Intake Improves Renal Function in Rats with Polycystic Kidney Disease

      Abstract. Polycystic kidney disease (PKD) has been shown to
      be exacerbated by acidosis or a low potassium intake, and there is evidence that administration of alkali might have a beneficial effect.

      Potassium Citrate intake did not affect body weight or urine flow, but completely prevented the decline in GFR found in untreated rats with PKD.

      In conclusion, chronic intake of Potassium Citrate in young Han:SPRD rats with PKD prevented the fall in GFR that is usually seen in these animals, thus helping to maintain good renal function.

      =========================================================================

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_citrate

      Medicinally, it may be used to control kidney stones derived from either uric acid or cystine.

      ======================================================
      More Notes:

      http://phbalance.wikispaces.com/Lemons+Alkaline%3F

      Lemons are Alkaline Forming

      This is because their acids, such as citric acid, are weak acid and the Lemon’s overall nutrients are alkaline. The End
      Product of Metabolism, otherwise known as Ash and it’s effects on the body make it Alkalizing.

      Citric Acid is a “weak” acid, meaning once it’s done it’s job in providing energy in metabolism it’s eliminated easily via
      sweat and respiration. It is alkaline forming in that it stimulates the formation of calcium carbonate in the body. Calcium carbonate then neutralizes the “Strong” acids in the body, acids that can only be gotten rid of through urination, including uric acid which is the end result of protein metabolism.

      In fruits such as the Lemons… the mineral content is also taken into consideration, and the Lemon’s Alkaline minerals are many, calcium, magnesium, potassium, and Selenium so after the citric acid has done its job and is easily eliminated, one is left with a very Alkaline Ash (end product) from the fruit.

      Proteins… they are acidic, not only in their amino acid content, but also in it’s utilization by the body… it leaves Uric Acids as it’s waste product from its metabolism. And we need Citric acid to help our bodies eliminate this Acidic end product (Ash).

  2. Doug says

    I enjoy your articles but, frankly, there is an endless rash of studies and expert advice first touting some new diet or approach to food, then shortly thereafter new ones that debunk it all. The other day I read a big study debunking paleo, noting that humans continue to ‘evolve’ and as such what was good for our ancestors 10,000 years ago isn’t necessarily good for us now. We live in a different environment, we have relocated to all parts of the globe, etc., etc., and as such our bodies change. Eat for your blood type, pH is key, paleo is it, carbs are it, vegetarianism is it, vitamins help, vitamins kill, jogging is crucial, jogging destroys joints, and on and on and on it goes.

    For me at 50? I try to ‘listen’ to the body itself and see what it is asking of me. What’s good for others isn’t necessarily good for this body.

    • says

      Hey Doug,

      If you look at Chris’ beyond paleo he is all about biochemical individuality. Basically the same thing you said, listen to your body, see how you feel sort of thing. So you are on the same page as him, just thought I’d clear that up.

      • Allorganiic says

        I have to say your both not that smart… i apologies but do you know anything about copper deficiency. the list goes on and your body is not going to tell you anything if you cant read your body. vitamins will not kill you as a matter of fact.. if you dont know by now you need 90 essential vitamins and minerals every day. i mean every single day. 60 minerals 13 vitamins, 18 amino acids, and 3 essential fatty acids. or you can die in you 30′s 40′s and 50′s

        • Paleo Huntress says

          I make it a habit to not criticize another commenter’s spelling or grammar, but when you open with, “I have to say your [you're] both not that smart”…, I make an exception.

          …..”i[I] apologies [apologize] but do you know anything about copper deficiency.[?]…

          Your comment doesn’t appear to have anything to do with pH, so maybe you could fill us in on what it is that you believe you’re correcting with your comment?

    • says

      I don’t agree with the listening to your body theory as you may hear something really bad way too late.

      Imagine relying on listeneing to your body while eating a high sugar diet for years, only to find out that you now have liver/pancreatic cancer which often is completely devoid of symptoms until it’s too late. Not a good strategy as I see it.

      • Brandon Palmer says

        Fred, I couldn’t agree more. Listening to your body as your pigging out on bad carbs and junk food doesn’t happen. We have to be conscious about what were eating and sticking into our mouths, then you can pay attention to how you feel. I could care less about my body and how I felt before consciously making a change to better my health. For many people it’s too late once the cancer hits or a heart attack takes a life. Not many people I know listen to their body, they just live with their obesity, diabetes, allergies, gerd, etc., like it’s just a part of life.

        • says

          Fred & Brandon, you are doing the wrong kind of listening…..not to your sugar cravings….deep down you DO know what is good for you and NOT good for you. Listen to THAT voice, not the hungry candida monster living in your gut. And also measure how you feel after you eat and several days after……eat clean for a while. You will know the difference.

      • John Carraway says

        What Dr. Kesser says is illogical. We depend upon negative ions (alkalinity) in the form of minerals and antioxidants to restore our acid/alkaline balance, otherwise we cease to function. Our flesh is comprised of proteins (amino acids) which is held together by the skeleton (alkaline minerals), so we exist as a balance of the two. The acid/alkaline balance controls the functionality of the body. All the food that we eat turns into acid waste products after it is burned for our survival. There is no end to acid wastes, unless you stop eating. It’s obvious that the scale will always be tilted toward the acidic side, which means most of us are living on the edge of slow debilitation. Without an alkaline diet of plant and animal foods with supplements, you’re just asking for trouble sometime in the future.

        • James says

          The skeleton is not just alkaline minerals. The collagen matrix that makes up most of bone and gives bone the majority of their strength is composed of amino acids, ascorbic acid, hyaluronic acid and orthosilicic acid. Bone osteoblasts produce citric acid to dissolve bone for bone remodeling.

          And not all acids are wastes. As we can see we need a variety of acids just for formation of tissues including bone and organs. Acids are also required for cellular energy production, detoxification, to control blood pressure, to allow the release of oxygen to tissues, as an antioxidant, etc.

          Bottom line is that we cannot function or even exist without acids.

          • John Carraway says

            I didn’t say that we can exist without acids (amino acids, etc). I said that the acid/alkaline balance controls the functionality of the body, and alkaline foods are the only source of minerals that neutralize acidic wastes that are the product of burning food. We cannot stop eating, therefore there will always be acidic wastes that must be eliminated.

            • James says

              I never said you did. You missed my point. You said “All the food that we eat turns into acid waste products”, which is blatantly false!!! What you are calling “waste products” are the amino acids that build our tissues, hormones and neurotransmitters. And carbonic acid that is a primary antioxidant for the body, dilates blood vessels to help with circulation and helps prevent heart attacks and strokes, helps to control pathogens in the urine, is used in the formation of essential stomach acid, allows the release of oxygen to cells and protects us from the highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia produced in our bodies. And the citric acid and malic acid that allow ATP formation in cells and help prevent calcium precipitation in urine preventing calcium oxalate stones and malic acid that dissolves uric acid preventing uric acid stones. The chlorine atom from the metabolism of salt becomes hydrochloric acid that protects us from pathogens, allows proper protein breakdown, allows the proper absorption of minerals and the vitamins B6, B12 and folate that without we would be seriously ill or dead. The list goes on and on. To claim these are “waste products” just shows a complete lack of understanding of how the body really works and how the body regulates its pH.

              For example, the body’s main means of pH control is respiration, not minerals from the diet. The main mineral used for dealing with acidity below respiration is salt, which is also used to form acid. The alkaline component salt is used to form is sodium bicarbonate. Minerals such as calcium from bones are only used by the body to buffer acidity as a very last resort and requires severe acidosis, which is EXTREMELY rare. Most bone loss in humans is due to lack of exercise, lack of orthosilicic acid and ascorbic acid or from hyperparathyroidism or pseudohyperparathyroidism both of which have NOTHING to do with acidity.

      • Wayne says

        I would have to believe that passing acidic foods through our body puts a lot of unnecessary stress on our organs. If we worked with our bodies and gave it what it needs we would be at far better health advantage. Why would anyone want there body to have ph imbalances anywhere.

        • James says

          There really is no such thing as acidic foods. Even the so called “alkaline foods” can contain beneficial acids and their simple sugars, amino acids and fibers are all metabolized in to acids.

          The whole alkaline food myth is based on the measurement of the ash content of foods. This totally ignores the acid content of these plants as well as the acids formed from the metabolism of these plants.

    • Shaun says

      I don’t know how other people’s body’s respond to junk food and stuff that it doesn’t like. But I think after doing research, listening to your body does play a role in managing your health. I can feel that my body lacks energy and feels generally yucky when I eat certain foods, and while this isn’t the end all of how I learn about what I should and shouldn’t eat, I think that listening to how my body responds plays an important role. It’s a tool, just like everything else I use to manage my health.

    • Landon says

      I guess part of it is true, but the question is why does our body contain pockets of acidic environments where cancer cells thrive? That would only mean that the body’s defenses against acidic body levels does not succeed all the time. And so here goes the need to help the body once again and that I think is one of the main reasons why there is a need to “Help” our body maintain it’s natural ph levels.

      • James says

        Cancer cells themselves have an internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells. Studies have shown that not only does excessive alkalinity of cell cause healthy cells to revert to a cancerous state, but also that cancer cells need that high internal alkalinity to survive and thrive.

        The acidity you refer to is the external matrix around cancer cells. The external matrix becomes acidic because the cancer cells export acidic protons in to the external matrix to protect themselves from the acidity. When the proton pumps of cancer cells are blocked the cancer cells die from the build up of acid within the cancer cells.

        The body does an excellent job of maintaining its pH through a variety of mechanisms. Respiration is the primary means of pH balance.

        Here is more information on the alkalizing myth:

        http://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-2-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-2/

        • bean says

          Hi james,
          your facts are outdated.
          american cancer institute has made a statement long ago that cancer cells thrives in acidic environment and cant in alkaline environment. Search about it.

          • James says

            Bean: “your facts are outdated.
            american cancer institute has made a statement long ago that cancer cells thrives in acidic environment and cant in alkaline environment. Search about it.”

            ROFLMAO!!!! First of all it is not up to me to prove the claim. If you are going to claim that the American Cancer Institute made that claim then it is up to you to back that claim.

            The funniest part though is where you say “long ago” but claim my facts are outdated. How long ago is their statement because that myth was proven false decades ago!!! So are you referring to the acid hypothesis from the 1930s? My research is way more current than that so if my facts are “outdated” as you claim then what does that make your claim? Precambrian?

    • monica says

      All the above conversations & discussions show one thing in common; the awareness level of people. I am glad to know that at least 2-3% of the people here believe in listening to their body & also acknowledge the fact that every individual is different. I believe more than listening to the body, we must communicate with it, at every step as its not only the food that we eat contributes to the balance inside but also our thoughts, emotions & several other external factors do.

  3. says

    Chris,

    Thank you for the article! I understand this is a two-part article and you may be discussing this in tomorrow’s article, however I will ask my question now.

    How then does pH affect the overall gut integrity? Or more specifically – I recently has a CDSA 2.0 and in that test it was reported that my gut pH was 5.2 whereas the “Healthy” or ideal pH was around 6.4 if I recall correctly.

    Wouldn’t the flora and other microorganisms in my gut be more or less “happy” in a specific pH? Is it my dietary intake or is it the overall picture of the flora in my gut that is causing the pH to become more acidic?

    What foods, supplements, or treatments are most affective at raising the pH of the gut environment to optimal levels?

    Thank you,

    Jeremy Gilsoul – Acupuncturist

    • Kim says

      Jeremy, I don’t know what kind of test this is that you had or where exactly in the GI track it was taken. The pH varies in different parts of the GI track. The stomach, being highly acidic, has a pH around 2. The upper duodenum (small intestine) has a pH around 5 and lower duodenum around 6.5. I wonder the validity and significance of the test you had.

    • John Carraway says

      Jeremy – Don’t worry about measuring pH in your guts. All you have to do is to follow an alkaline Atkins diet, and your body will reach homeostasis by itself. Proteins/fats, minerals, antioxidants, omega oils and polyphenols, are the major nutrients needed to maintain health, and of course there are the minor nutrients as well, which can be covered by the use of supplements.

  4. CCM says

    The acid-alkaline theory of nutrition and health has been circulating for some time, apparently. In my edition of “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration,” Weston Price addresses this issue in personal correspondence of a talk he gave to a Dental conference in New York in 1934. Price argued that the notion high acidity diets cause disease is undermined by the evidence of primitive people free of dental caries and modern diseases who ate high acidity diets of meat, fish and cereals.

    • James says

      Dental caries are the result of damage due to acids primarily produced by bacteria in the mouth, not produced by food. The only foods that affect tooth enamel directly would be high acid containing foods such as if you are sucking on lemons, which ironically are considered alkalizing.

      The truth is that the alkalizing effect of lemons occurs from the bicarbonate release from the pancreas as the chyme leaves the stomach. But this is true of ALL foods whether it be lemon, steak, cake, candy bars, lettuce, fish, turnips, etc.

      As far as “modern diseases” and high acidity diets this is complete BS. The only diseases that I can think of that are the result of an acid are gout and pseudogout. And there are some diseases, such as cancer, that rely heavily on alkalinity. Studies have shown that excess alkalinity of healthy cells causes them to morph in to a cancerous state. Studies have also shown that cancer cells have an internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells. It is this internal alkalinity that allows the cancer cells to survive and thrive. When the proton pumps on cancer cells are blocked they cannot export the acidic protons produced during energy production and their internal pH becomes acidic killing the cancer cells.

      People keep confusing the external matrix with the actual cancer cell. The external matrix around cancer cells does become acidic as the cancer cells export the protons out of the cell in to the external matrix to protect themselves from the acidity. Thus the area around the cancer cells becomes acidic while the cancer cells themselves remain highly alkaline so they can survive and thrive.

  5. julialoha says

    In the book, The Blue Zones by Dan Buettner, it is documented that people who eat a plant based diet are the longest living people on the earth – most of these populations have access to “hard” water full of minerals.

    • Ian Blair Hamilton says

      Julia,

      confusion reigns. You say plant based diet = longevity. Can you show me where this can be proven? The Hunzas are Muslim and eat meat. The French with amazing longevity eat everything. (I’m becoming a webskeptic the more time I am on the net) and your 2nd comment about hard water seems to overlap your plant based fact. Are you suggesting that people not on a plant based diet who drink hard water live less long than the plant based people, or are you saying that they live longer because they drink hard water?

    • Laurie says

      When you remove deaths from violent crime from the statistics, Americans are the longest lived people in the world. The Japanese drop to 9th.

      • bean says

        dear laurie,
        what u said is not possible unless those that die from violent crimes are very old, possibly 80 years old and above. If not, whether they die from disease or crimes, it doesnt affects longest lived people.

        and america actually has pretty bad statistics. It ranked 26th by life-expectancy (not longest lived), by Organizations for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in year 2013.

  6. Finndian says

    When I was magnesium deficient my urine tested acidic as did my blood. Magnesium deficiency causes potassium loss (or the other way around). When you have a deficit of these two electrolytes you will be dehydrated at a cellular level and will be acidic. Serum magnesium and calcium levels will remain stable until their is a deficit in the diet and then tissues and bone stores will be utilized potentially effecting bone density. Diet CAN increase magnesium and potassium levels and correct this intracellular problem and keep the cells sodium/potassium pump working properly… thus making you you more alkaline. Worked for me.

    Perhaps an “Alkaline” diet needs to be called “eat your greens diet”?

  7. says

    Thanks for the info, Chris. Your article may make me change my thinking on this topic. But there’s one thing that isn’t clear. You say “This reaction produces carbon dioxide which is exhaled through the lungs, and salt, which is excreted by the kidneys.” But aren’t those “salts” being excreted by the kidneys the main issue? If you’re excreting extra calcium (or other mineral) salts, doesn’t that correlate with the potential bone loss that alkaline diet proponents are talking about?

    • Harald says

      Hi Chris.
      Very interesting dissertation about the observations regarding acidity and alkalinity.
      You are correct in asserting the kidneys being the organs in charge of the blood composition.
      The medulla in the brain is in charge of the support structure of our bodies – the bones.
      A person’s feeling of ‘self worth’ is the governing criteria for the medulla. A “self-devaluation biological conflict”, perceived by the Psyche, creates a bodily response to take away cartilage and bone mass in preparation to rebuilding same, after the biological conflict is resolved, with denser material. Thus, the observations, while correct, are having the effect of ‘tapping around’ in the dark.

    • James says

      Hi Ronald,

      I know you asked Chris, but I would like to address your question.

      To start with the body almost never goes acidic except in extremely rare cases such as some poisonings and diabetic ketoacidosis. In the case of malignant tumors there can be acidic microenvironments around the malignant tumors as the tumors export acidic protons to maintain the highly alkaline internal pH they need to survive and thrive.

      Even if acidosis occurs, acid buffering by the bones is only used as a last resort. Respiration is the primary means the body uses to maintain pH. Other means include bicarbonate buffering, excretion of hydrogen ions through the kidneys, protein binding, etc. It requires pretty severe acidosis before bone minerals would be utilized to buffer the acids.

      The primary causes of bone loss are the lack of exercise, some medications such as thyroid hormones or steroids like Prednisone, which decreases bone mineralization, cancer metastases to bone, hyperparathyroidism and pseudohyperparathyroidism. None of these have anything to do with acidosis.

      The later two though can increase urinary excretion of calcium as the kidneys excrete serum calcium to maintain calcium homeostasis. Keep in mind that high serum calcium can be very detrimental to health. Hypercalcemia can lead to high blood pressure, decreased circulation increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke, muscle cramps/spasms, constipation, mental fogginess, etc.

      Excess sodium intake can also displace calcium as sodium is more reactive than calcium. But potassium is also more reactive than sodium helping to regulate sodium levels. Therefore, there is a lot more involved than simply sodium intake.

    • Jake Ivey, P.A. says

      Wouldn’t be so sure of that, Breanna. They do an awful lot of damage, osteoporosis being one of the many links to soft drinks.
      ~~~

      • James says

        Hi Jake,

        Osteoporosis is not a result of soft drink intake. This is a very common misconception.

        Before explaining why I need to clarify some different forms of bone loss.

        Contrary to popular belief osteoporosis does not result from mineral loss to the bones. Osteoporosis results from a loss of collagen matrix, which decreases surface area for bone mineralization.

        Loss of minerals from bone result in osteopenia and osteomalacia, not osteoporosis.

        Not all sodas lead to mineral loss from bones. It is the colas that are an issue. The difference is that all sodas contain carbonic acid, but only the colas contain phosphoric acid.

        When we ingest carbonic acid much of it quickly decomposes releasing the carbon dioxide, which we burp up. Any carbonic acid making it in to the blood can be utilized by the body for things such as maintaining circulation, dealing with highly alkaline and toxic ammonia and stomach acid formation.

        Phosphoric acid in excess can lead to mineral loss from bones, but this has NOTHING to do with acidity. The problem is the phosphorus. When we consume excess levels of high phosphorus foods or drinks such as red meat, dairy or colas the phosphorus levels rise above normal in the blood. This leads to a calcium-phosphorus ratio imbalance. In response the parathyroid glands release parathyroid hormone (PTH), which releases calcium from the bones raising serum calcium to balance out the ratio to phosphorus. This is known as pseudohyperparathyroidism.

        • Mary says

          Perhaps I have some constructive criticism. James, you speak with authority yet give little few references. You are giving health advice yet you don’t give your name and therefore have no responsibility. I started to read your entries but then realized I have no reason to trust what you say. I read and follow Chris because I know he actually exists and uses this stuff in practice.
          There again, maybe you have a reputation that precedes you that I am unaware of and others may be thrilled with your posts.

          • Paleo Huntress says

            Mary,

            Perhaps you’d like to read the full thread and modify your comment. James Sloane both gives his name and links his sources.

            Yes, he DOES have a reputation that precedes him.

            • Mary says

              I really was trying to give constructive feedback. I actually restrained myself, as I am now in responding to you. I have a hard time not being snide. Maybe I don’t cover it up as well as I should.
              I only read the replies James gave to the first few comments at the top of the list. I don’t consider this to be a thread, it is not part of newsgroup, so I don’t feel like I should have to read all the entries to reply to one. Besides I think there are at least two James making comments. I hadn’t seen the comment where YOU introduced him. Even on the web site he runs he’s not very forthcoming with his name.
              I have been convinced too many times about too many things by people who it turns out had no standing. Now when I come across someone professing they know all, I am leery.
              You might like James’ assertiveness but I find it rude and questionable.
              Bottom line is I don’t even know what his opinion is because I didn’t want to read it.
              So not arguing, just making an observation.

              • Paleo Huntress says

                Mary,

                If it were a news group, it would be a FEED, not a thread. A thread is ANY conversation with the ability to reply directly to other comments. In other words, this one. No one expects you to read all of the comment before you comment on the article. But it’s pretty disingenuous to accuse another commenter of being vague, un-credentialed or unidentified without reading through the thread to see if that’s actually the case. How many times should a person identify themselves and give their credentials in an ongoing conversation? Do you feel that James should have given his full name and background with every single comment just so someone like you could come in at the 11th hour and not be put-on to read a conversation before responding to it?

                I don’t know James, only his work. He has given several citations as evidence of his argument (and these are to RCTs rather than pro-pH-mythology books written by woo gurus) and his tone doesn’t change the value of his information. If you really want to learn the truth, stop basing your knowledge in others credentials and start looking at the evidence itself.

                • Mary says

                  I appreciate you taking the time to give me feedback,
                  thanks (not disingenuous).
                  And yes, if Mr Sloane had provided his full name I might have given him more respect. Same as I give you, with a constant moniker, more respect over a Mary like me.
                  Not so much about credentials but reputation.
                  Thinking about it, maybe I should read more of your posts. It seems like you were much more aggressive toward me than my comment to James. Maybe that’s your reputation.
                  (okay that last bit was slightly snide)

                • bean says

                  while others have been giving an open statement, james have been giving a close ones.
                  he uses words that imply its simply not possible.
                  maybe thats where it started generate hate from readers

                • James says

                  Mary: “And yes, if Mr Sloane had provided his full name I might have given him more respect. Same as I give you, with a constant moniker, more respect over a Mary like me.
                  Not so much about credentials but reputation.”

                  First of all this blog IS NOT about me. Secondly, not everyone wants people to know who they are. I have a had several kook internet stalkers that have even sent me threats because I discredited their information with real science. And finally, even if I did give my full name this does not mean you know me just like I do not know you. You should be a lot more focused on the scientific facts presented and less worried about who is posting those facts!!!

                • James says

                  Bean: “while others have been giving an open statement, james have been giving a close ones.”

                  Posting scientific fact is not even close to posting closed statements.

                  I realize you are upset Bean at the fact that I keep pointing out your errors. And I am sure you will be really upset when you read my last post to you since you claimed to not be able to find anything on the collagen loss-osteoporosis relationship yet I found two studies backing this in less than two minutes. There is yet more I could have found, but again it is not my job to do your homework for you. As we can all see though I base my statements on known scientific fact while Bean relies on speculation and poor or absent research skills.

                  Bean: “he uses words that imply its simply not possible.
                  maybe thats where it started generate hate from readers”

                  More speculation rather than fact from Bean. The hate is generated by the fact I keep disproving certain people’s belief systems with REAL science, which these people do not take kindly to. Take Bean for example. Bean started out cordial enough, but the more I expose Bean’s assumptive nature with real science the more angry Bean becomes and the more Bean lashes out at me with comments like Bean’s comment above. It will be interesting to see how Bean lashes out after reading my post providing proof to the collagen loss in osteoporosis resulting in decreased bone mineralization rather than loss as I kept stating. Especially after Bean claimed to not be able to find anything on this anywhere on the internet and it took me less that two minutes to pull of two of the various studies backing this fact on the internet. Based on past history Bean is definitely not going to be happy about that.

          • finndian says

            Yes, I agree. I hear lots of opinions from him and he writes flippant poorly researched remarks. I guess we were to take seriously Paleo Huntress’s warning that we dare not argue with him about ANYTHING.

            Btw, funny how she showed up out of no where last month to buttress his schtick, huh?

            • James says

              They are not poorly researched remarks. I’ll bet I read more medical journal articles in a week than you do in a decade. So how wold you know if they are poorly researched when you rely on propaganda and sales sites for your health information rather than actual research?

            • Paleo Huntress says

              The fact that I joined THIS conversation recently most certainly doesn’t mean I showed up out of nowhere. As I said, if this fear of yours is really getting under your skin, plug my ID into any search engine and note how far back my comments go and where they intersect with James’ work. Otherwise quit making suggestions of inappropriateness, its juvenile.

              When you have to attack the people making the argument, (“You must be drinking”?!) it’s pretty clear that you can’t attack the argument itself.

              Ad hominems abound… Grow up.

            • James says

              What agenda John? Pointing out the myth that you have to alkalize the blood, which the body already maintains in an alkaline state? Well I guess you should put me in front of the firing squad for wanting holistic medicine legitimized by squashing the various myths people keep repeating that makes holistic medicine look like quackery instead.

              Or are you against my agenda to protect people’s health from false and potentially harmful information? Don’t you care about people’s health and safety like I do? Apparently not!!!

              • bean says

                Hi james
                i think the main problem so many contradicts in this page is that we are not on the same page.
                we do know that our body keeps the pH at a normal range, however at what stakes ?

                If our body uses more alkaline forming elements to neutralize the acids in our body each day, more than what we take in, one day, these elements are going to run out. Only then our body wont be able to keep the pH in normal range. IT IS ALREADY A DISEASE.

                the theory of alkaline diet is to lessen the burden of our body to neutralize the pH to help our body adjust it easier. To prevent these from happening.

                • James says

                  Bean: “i think the main problem so many contradicts in this page is that we are not on the same page.
                  we do know that our body keeps the pH at a normal range, however at what stakes ?

                  If our body uses more alkaline forming elements to neutralize the acids in our body each day, more than what we take in, one day, these elements are going to run out. ”

                  And thus the basis for the problem with your claim. As has been pointed out so many times already the body’s primary means of pH regulation are respiration followed by ion retention or elimination by the kidneys. These account for VIRTUALLY ALL the pH regulation in the body, yet NEITHER one of these require any type of alkaline reserve and thus WILL NOT ever run out as long as we are living. The alkaline reserve thing is just another common MYTH that keeps getting circulated by the alkaline diet myth supporters because they refuse to learn the facts of how the body really works.

                  Bean: “Only then our body wont be able to keep the pH in normal range. IT IS ALREADY A DISEASE.”

                  Alkalosis is also a disease, but also does not involve the depletion of any type of alkaline reserve. In fact, very few diseases have anything to do whatsoever with acidosis or alkalosis. Again, if people would simply learn how the body really works then they would stop perpetuating these myths.

                  Bean: “the theory of alkaline diet is to lessen the burden of our body to neutralize the pH to help our body adjust it easier. To prevent these from happening.”

                  It IS NOT a theory. It is a DISPROVEN HYPOTHESIS.

          • James says

            I guess I cannot win. People are claiming I am not posting references when I do. For example:

            James

            September 2, 2013 at 9:09 pm

            The body has various fuel sources including glucose, lactate, glutamine and yes ketones. But cancer cells also use these same fuel sources.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047616/

            And in part two someone else was complaining about the same thing. Even though it is not my job to do people’s homework for them I went ahead and posted references backing what I was saying. When I did the lady requesting the research accused me of spamming the board for posting the medical abstracts she requested in the first place.

            Some people will never be happy regardless of what I do.

            • Jon says

              James, it is obvious to most everyone that it is not the information you are putting forward that is the problem, it is the rude manner in which you put it forward that is turning everyone off. You sound dismissive, arrogant, contemptuous and like you think you know it all. “Follow those who seek the truth….but run from those who have found it!” You sound like someone who owns the truth and the rest of us are just dummies. It’s very insulting. Facts are, you may know more about this than they do, but that still doesn’t mean you own the truth. Show some respect first, and you may get some respect back. My two cents. BTW, thank for your information, which is enlightening and thoughtful. Please just remember to state this information as “the theory is…” the balance of evidence is…”, given these facts, it seems probable that… and especially do not resort to personal insults, which you do often. There could be a discovery next week that shows you are wrong, and also if you are so smart, why haven’t you personally cured cancer yet? You should be world famous, but you are not, are you? So, there must be something more for you to learn, and something you don’t know yet, same as for all of us. I hope this is helpful to you. Also, one last point – I agree that if you are to promote credibility for your profession, you should go after that which takes away credibility, and that may not be an easy thing to do nor a popular one. All the more reason to use diplomacy and tact, or you will lose your intended audience.

              • James says

                Jon, you obviously don’t get it so let me explain it to you. I treat people the way they treat me. Show me courtesy and I will do the same. Act like the arrogant jerk you are doing currently and I will do the same.

                “and like you think you know it all”

                I will be the first to admit that I do not know it all. Nobody does. But I don’t post facts unless I have researched it first and verified these facts with the research. So what I have been claiming can be easily verified by looking in anatomy and physiology books or by a simple search of Medline. Don’t attack me just because you are too damn lazy to research what I have said and verify it yourself. Again, the evidence backing everything I have said can be easily found with a tiny bit of effort.

                Furthermore, I see you call me a troll further down in your message. I am not the one coming to this blog and attacking the messenger instead of the message. That is being a troll. Same with Robin, who has continually lied about what I have said instead of staying on topic and presenting evidence of her claims. Again, this blog article is not and was never about me. If you think the blog article is wrong then attack the message with evidence to the contrary and stop attacking the messengers, which is trollish behavior.

                ” and especially do not resort to personal insults”

                Why is it the attackers, like you and Robin, that never take their own advice?

                “There could be a discovery next week that shows you are wrong”

                And the world could come to an end next week and none of this will matter. Your same assumption could be applied to everything so do we disregard everything that science has ever taught us just because there is some remote possibility that some new discovery will prove what we previously knew wrong? The world would be in some serious trouble if we did something that stupid. That is why we go with what has been proven until proven otherwise. For example, it is used to be assumed that lactic acid was produced by cancer cells making the external matrix acidic and that muscle burn during intense exercise was from lactic acid. These claims were both proven false a long time ago and most of us have moved on with the corrected information. So as we learn we adapt to the new knowledge. But we don’t just assume that everything can potentially be proven wrong and thus ignore all current evidence.

                “if you are so smart, why haven’t you personally cured cancer yet?”

                If you are so smart then why don’t you realize that people cannot claim curing cancer since this can put them in prison? Clearly you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.

                Do I know how to cure cancer? Yes. Have I seen it done by holistic means? Yes, a number of times.

                “You should be world famous, but you are not, are you?”

                You really are an idiot, aren’t you?

                Research what happened to people who successfully cured cancer with a high rate of success such as Rife and Hoxsey to name a few. Look in to ozone therapy, which is the safest and most effective cancer therapy available. The chemistry of how it works is well known, ozone selectively kills cancer cells and cancer cells cannot build a tolerance to it the way they can chemo or radiation. So why do you think it is not widely used despite being around since 1898 and being proven over and over to work on cancer and numerous other diseases. Maybe when you get your IQ higher than your age you will figure out the answers.

                “All the more reason to use diplomacy and tact, or you will lose your intended audience.”

                Again, I treat people with the same level of respect as they treat me.

                And also again, this blog is not about me so stop making it about me and stick to the topic. If you have evidence to the contrary of what I have said then post your evidence addressing my claims and not me directly with your trollish attacks.

                Same goes for Robin.

                • Keen says

                  This whole argument seems silly and childish. James certainly knows what he is talking about and all these complaints about his tone of voice sound like insecure people blaming others for their insecurity.

                  James thanks for the information. I’d appreciate your website link so I can go to your website and take advantage of your research to educate myself. People like you are worth their weight in gold and the reason I go on the internet to research health issues. Thank you for sharing your hours of research and making it easier for those of us who are put off reading actual medical research (or even being able to fully understand it).

                • cheryl says

                  James, can you direct me to more info on curing cancer. I am trying to learn all I can about HCC new treatment and research on this cancer.
                  thanks,

                • James says

                  Hi Cheryl,

                  For hepatocellular carcinoma I would recommend ozone therapy over anything. It not only directly kills the cancer cells but also the associated viruses that cause most liver cancers.

                  Here are some links for you to read:

                  http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Cancer.htm

                  http://www.medcapsules.com/info/The%20Chemistry%20of%20Ozone%20Therapy%20on%20Cancer.htm

                  http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=62

                  http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=12

                  http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=130

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLyDsmndrk

                  And before you ask since I get asked a lot, NO I do not sell ozone units and I do not have any recommendations since I have not found any units I can definitively say are cold corona units, which are the preferential units to use. Many manufacturers have claimed their units are cold corona but are really hot corona. It is impossible to tell for sure without looking at the design, but manufacturers want to keep their designs proprietary and thus do what they can to keep them secret. Testing for pH changes in ozone bubbled in to water is the only potential way to determine if the device is hot or cold corona without opening it up and looking at the design.

                  James

              • Taraveah says

                It’s not obvious to “everyone” (in regard to James) only to people who regard their “diet” as their religion, and you know what? You are all going to die anyway, regardless of what you eat. One of the most “health conscious” people I know, who believed all of this nonsense about diets, passed away from cancer. He was religious in his approach to “healthy – green, raw eating”. It didn’t get him anywhere, except to make him misearble during special occassions where he was constantly denying himself anything “yummy” and yes, made with sugar – gasp, and he never ate meat or drank any dairy, and among his siblings (who didn’t practice his rigid eating practices) he passed away first! I salute James for trying to bring some reason and counterpoints ton this discussion. Thank you (James) for your input!

                • James says

                  Yes, I agree. That is one of the reasons I do not follow any strict diets and eat what I want. As I always tell people stress will kill you a lot faster than poor diet.

                  Where diet is most of an issue is in cases where someone has allergies or other issues, such as PKU or Celiac, that may preclude them from eating certain foods.

                  Otherwise the diet should be rather varied and things consumed in moderation.

                  Don’t pig out on meats, or dairy, or sugary foods, or even raw foods for that matter.

                  The other problem I have with strict diets is that can all present issues. High protein diets are hard on the kidneys and can increase the risk of problems such as heart disease and other inflammatory conditions. Most people also associate meats and dairy with high protein diets. But these also contain hormones, even if organic, that can promote cancer. Vegetarian diets can lead to problems from B12 deficiencies, raw food diets are much higher in goitrogenic foods that can suppress thyroid function, which in turn can increase the risk of heart disease, cancer, gout, etc. Again, all strict diets have their limitations.

                • bean says

                  Hi taraveah,
                  there are a lot of causes of cancer. Just 1 person or a few cannot justify the whole picture

                  the theory behind the healthy green diet comes from statistics, mainly interviews and surveys or other information gathering techniques which is used on a population of higher life-expectancy. The findings which is common with other places in the world is found to be the “healthy green diet”.

                  while these can help u to be healthier, it doesnt meant u are free from diseases. Look at the statistics, more people who follow a good diet live a healthier life (life with less diseases/longer life-expectancy) or those that doesnt follow ?

                • James says

                  Bean: “Look at the statistics, more people who follow a good diet live a healthier life (life with less diseases/longer life-expectancy) or those that doesnt follow ?”

                  Statistics only prove what the person wants to prove. This is why statistics are such a popular alternative to real research since real research is much harder to manipulate or misinterpret.

                  For example, if people really look deep in to the issue the longest lived people in the world have better health not due to diet, but rather the least stress. Stress will kill a person much faster than bad diet anyday.

                  Look at people in the backwoods loading up on pork, moonshine and smoking and yet manage to live to ripe old ages. They did this due to a more stress free lifestyle.

                  Same with George burns who was always smoking cigars and liked his martinis. Yet look at how old he made it. Then look at how calm and happy he always appeared.

                  Two of my grandparents owned a cattle ranch and so were heavy meat eaters. Both died at the age of 96 and both due to doctor incompetence. But again they were always calm, stayed active and were happy. They wold sit outside in the front yard on the swing and my grandfather would tease my grandmother sticking his tongue out and saying “I am going to lick your face”. She would say “You better not” and he would keep pretending he was going to lick her face. I never saw them angry and they had a fun, stress-free lifestyle.

                  But again, statistics only prove what the person wants to prove. So it is easy to find statistics to prove whatever one wished to try and prove since statistics often conflict with each other since different people compiling the statistics often have different views they wish to “prove”. Which is again why I prefer to rely on real science.

                  For example, consider the ads about aspirin supposedly preventing a second heart attack by 50%. These commercials were done based on manipulated statistics by a aspirin manufacturer. Because the claims were false and misleading despite their so-called “statistics” the drug company was no longer allowed to run these misleading commercials.

                  How did they manipulate the statistics? They took 100 people on aspirin therapy. Then out that 100 people they chose 6 cases. Out of those 6 cases 3 had not had a second heart attack by that time and thus they claimed a 50% reduction in a second heart attack. Even if one of these three remaining people who had not had a second heart attack did have a second heart attack a minute later their manipulated study had already ended and thus they would not have been included in the statistics.

                  So what has the REAL research shown about aspirin as a heart attack preventative and during a heart attack? Well, due to REAL research we know that as a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) that aspirin can actually increase the risk of a heart attack and is one of the worst things a person could do during a heart attack. ALL NSAIDs work by constricting blood vessels, which increases the risk of cutting off the blood supply to the heart thus causing a heart attack. And by causing even less blood flow to the heart during a heart attack studies have proven that aspirin during a heart attack can cause even more damage. So once again REAL science trumps manipulated statistics and sales hype!!!

              • bean says

                Hi Jon,
                while your argument does looks silly ( so does James’), i am standing on your side that james is aggressive on “correcting” or giving his own opinions.

                and he does have to realize that something that havent been proven right doesnt mean that it is wrong and he really need to stop saying everything is false.

                ps: he does sounds arrogant too :p

                • James says

                  Bean: “while your argument does looks silly ( so does James’), i am standing on your side that james is aggressive on “correcting” or giving his own opinions.

                  and he does have to realize that something that havent been proven right doesnt mean that it is wrong and he really need to stop saying everything is false.

                  ps: he does sounds arrogant too :p”

                  Yes, you are 100% correct Keen when you wrote:

                  “James certainly knows what he is talking about and all these complaints about his tone of voice sound like insecure people blaming others for their insecurity.”

                  The evidence to this is overwhelming. Just look at how the more I post REAL evidence against claims made by people like Bean the more aggressive and frequent their personal attacks become. They obviously feel completely insecure since scientific evidence contradicts their bogus claims. But they cannot attack the message so they attack the next best thing, which is the messenger. If a person really knows what they are talking about and can prove it then they provide the proof, not attack the messenger. After all, what a better way to shut someone up. If a person posts solid, REAL evidence to back their claims then the opposing party has nothing to come back with contradictory. If they only posted complete BS then their only hope to shut up the person providing real evidence is to try and attack their character as we have seen so many people here do with me.

                  As a final note here I want to remind these people yet once again that I AM NOT the topic of discussion. If you want to argue the topic of the alkaline diet myth then be prepared to back your claims since if the claims are made up I will provide evidence to the contrary. But don’t make me the topic of debate unless you wish to prove Keen’s claims about your insecurities.

  8. Diane says

    Wow! I’ve been waiting several years for clarification on this topic. Thank-you so much! Looking forward to part 2.

  9. Carneiros says

    Thanks, Chris! Once again another useful article. The acid/alkaline diet has always struck me as fishy and I’m glad you’ve taken the time to lay out the scientific evidence. The paleo diet and lifestyle is admittedly out on the fringes of mainstream medicine, where a lot of other diet hypotheses are also hanging out. As a lay person with limited time, it’s hard to find out which ones are beneficial and which are not worth the effort. You are a great resource. Thanks for doing all the leg work!

  10. dar says

    - if this had been written 30 yrs ago, when the doc stated,’You’ve got Rheumatoid Arthritis’ and ‘Dietary changes are of no use’ then that wonderful 86 yr old garage customer’s advice on switching to brown rice+veg, no dairy,no meat,no beer& no coffee, would have gone unheeded…& i’d still be in 24/7 Oxy Acetylene torch full body joint pain…But no sooner was the alkaline diet reluctantly implemented, the fire in all the joints slowly extinguished itself. You can’t run a car engine on contaminated fuel. Y’all couldn’t pay me any amount of money to regress to the SAD. So theorize away, but when you’re stuck in the bottomless,black well of dis-ease, Results are what matters.

    • David Holmes says

      Perhaps just the no dairy (casein), no beer (gluten, alcohol) part would get the same results? Keep the meat and coffee.

      • Rachel says

        I agree, David. That’s the trouble you run into when you eliminate so many foods or food groups [presumably] all at once. If your health issues diminish or go away, you don’t know which foods were the triggers for the problem. It’s quite possible that Dar has a gluten sensitivity and a dairy sensitivity. If Dar were to do a blood test from Cyrex Labs (no, I’m not affiliated, but they are the only ones offering this particular test and both of my young sons have had it done), he/she might learn that they have a sensitivity to one or more of the proteins found in dairy products, gluten, and perhaps even coffee. I’m glad they have experienced restored health, but it sounds like they’d have trouble pinpointing exactly which of those foods were causing the Arthritis. I’ve heard story after story of people whose symptoms diminished or went away completely after they went on a gluten-free diet and sometimes eliminated dairy as well.

    • says

      Rheumatoid arthritis has nothing to do with acidity. It is a bacterial induced autoimmune disorder. The autoimmunity results not from an overactive immune system but rather an immune suppression though the adrenals. This leads to the over production of low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies also known as “autoantibodies”.

      The change of diet would have decreased inflammatory promoters such as arachidonic acid from meats and would have provided more anti-inflammatories such as plant based omega 3 fatty acids and bioflavonoids. The increase of vitamin C and pantothenic acid from the plants would support proper adrenal function.

    • Gerald says

      *** Dar i went through the same issues, when I suffered MELAS
      (mitochondrial encephalopathy Lactic acid stroke like symptoms) just after eating a yogurt, where the ER Dr. told me to go see a psychiatrist (he almost got a free dental adjustment)
      I went OFF dairy, within weeks I was OFF my Puffers and my Fibromyalgia grew wings. My theory is cow dairy Lactic acid is first cousins with our cellular Lactic acid. We were over x-p to Methanol from Pulp Mill emissions the Chemical chain is > Formaldehyde > Formic acid (liver) > Lactate (cellular) Folate IV can be used in ER It roadblocks the Formic acid in the liver from metabolizing to cellular Lactic acid. It is converted to carbon dioxide & exhaled or peed out.
      1 1/2 years later i tried goat dairy at the suggestion of my Naturopath with no issues. If by mistake i ate cow dairy my brain and left side are not home. So results from real experience counts.

  11. Kristie says

    This article made me think of my Grandma who has to limit salt for kidney issues (or warned she could be on dialysis) AND she has osteoperosis. It made me wonder if these two things could be related.

    • says

      The only correlation would be indirect. Osteoporosis is often incorrectly linked to bone mineral loss. Osteoporosis though is not the result of mineral loss though but rather is a loss of collagen matrix, which reduces mineral binding sites in the bone.

      The most common cause of collagen loss is declining levels of silica, which is required not only for collagen synthesis but also the actual mineralization of the collagen matrix. As silica levels decline there is a loss of the collagen matrix and less bone mineralization.

      Silica does not absorb as silica, nor is it used in this form. Instead silica has to react with water, especially in the presence of acids to form orthosilicic acid (OA), which is the form the body absorbs and utilizes. Normally stomach acid aids in the conversion of silica in to OA, but stomach acid levels naturally decline with age inhibiting this conversion. The use of products such as antacids, acid blockers and alkaline waters further aggravate the problem since these not only interfere with OA conversion but they also interfere with the production of more stomach acid by blocking the absorption of the nutrients needed for methylation needed for stomach acid formation.

      The role salt plays is that the salt is dissociated in the body in to sodium, which is used to form bicarbonate and chlorine that is used to form stomach acid. Therefore, a lack of salt can interfere with stomach acid formation leading to decreased collagen synthesis and impeding the absorption of nutrients needed for building bone.

  12. says

    Hi Chris,

    If the alkaline diet is not supported scientifically and the urine pH is not a good marker, it’s nonetheless a matter of fact that the Paleo diet promotes mainly alkaline food. You can argue that you eat proteins but, if I refere to a recent article of your friend Mark Sisser, the amount of eggs/meat to make the Paleo diet healthy is relatively low (around 80gr proteins a day) compared to the vegetables.

    This makes me feel perplex about the objective of your article and I don’t see where you wanna go…

    It would also be interessant to make a parallel with the food combination diet promoted by Shelton whom avoid to mix acid food with alkaline ones in the same meal. So maybe the alkaline diet is not good but it’s scientifically preferred to concentrate on one type of acidity at each meal and, I repeat myself, as the Paleo diet promotes mainly alkaline food you will finish to follow a quasi-alkaline diet :)

    • Mike T says

      From what I have read, paleo diets should have generous amounts of vegetables with moderate frult, so the claim that it is by default alkaline is difficult to support and certainly not a matter of fact.

    • says

      I think the point here is that a food’s “acid” or “alkaline” effect is largely irrelevant. Just because the Paleo diet supposedly emphasizes “alkaline” foods doesn’t argue for the scientific validity of the acid-alkaline theory.

    • Aubrey says

      Hunter gatherers lived pole to pole, sea level to 16,000 feet, so their diets varied tremendously. Some ate almost all animal foods, some at almost all starches, and none were observed to suffer osteoporosis. I point this out because the paleo diet is not just one diet, but a variety of diets. Some included vegetables, some didn’t.

      • LL says

        Um… you do realize that people until the last century or two did not live long enough to develop osteoporosis, don’t you? Comparing the development of osteoporosis today to people 10000 years ago is a bit absurd. An acidic diet may have been okay back then, because few people reached the age of 40. Peak bone mass for males is 30 years old. Osteoporosis only becomes a major risk factor after the age of 50, in the modern age. Furthermore, the lack of Vitamin D due to lack of sunlight also contributes to bone and heart illness. Previously, people would’ve gotten much more sunlight. The drastic change in lifestyle as well as people moving across the globe to places to which their bodies are less suited obviously contribute to modern illnesses. For example, dark-skinned people tend to be more Vitamin D deficient in the U.S., but also tend to have less osteoporosis, probably due to a combination of relative obesity (a protective factor against osteoporosis) and their genetics making it so they do not break down bone as easily.

        • Paleo Huntress says

          LL,

          Primitive man had a significant elderly population. If a child survived to 15, his average life expectancy rose to 54. And again, 54 is an average, this means that for every one that died at 45, another lived to 63… and every one that died at 30, another lived to 78.

          In other words, LOTS of people lived to 40 and well beyond.

  13. says

    Maybe the whole mineral/electrolyte balance topic needs a blogpost unto itself? Over consuming phosphorus (as in dark soda consumption) is associated with increased parathormone and blood calcium, so much so that I have had several patients refered to me to be tested for parathyroid hyperplasia or adenoma when it was simply way too much cola.

  14. Kate says

    Very good article and comments/questions. I would be interested in a reply to CDSA 2.0 question as many of us are trying to fix gut issues. Mahalo from HI!

  15. Matthew Aldas says

    Chris,

    Want would this mean regarding theories that cancerous tumors grow in an acidic state? By eating an alkaline diet you are able to keeping cancer from growing?

    • says

      The alkalinity kills cancer and acids promote it claim is a myth I have addressed many times. If you read the research you will find that the internal pH of cancer cells is actually alkaline. The cancer cells cannot tolerate the acidity and therefore export the acidic hydrogen ions from inside the cell to the external matrix to protect themselves. Therefore, the alkaline pH inside the cancer cells helps them to survive and thrive.

      In addition, various acids such as betulinic acid and chlorogenic acid to name a few have been shown to have powerful anti-cancer properties.

  16. Elizabeth says

    Dr. William Davis mentioned the acidity of wheat in his book in terms of bone health. I don’t remember the details but was his hypothesis incorrect? What about the early grain with poor bone health? What explains that? Thanks for research and input!

    • David Holmes says

      “What about the early grain with poor bone health? What explains that?”

      I believe that refers to wheat consumption inducing rickets via vitamin D deficiency.

    • Alex says

      > What about the early grain with poor bone health?

      Phytic acid contained in cereals chelates calcium and other minerals which are essential to bone health.

      • says

        Phytates have gotten a bad rap including the claims that they rob the body on minerals. This is not true. This just came up in an e-mail sent to me the other day and here is a copy of my response that explains why this is a myth:

        You are right, the information is very misleading. Phytic acid does bind minerals, but does not rob the body of minerals. Phytic acid binds with minerals the plants pick up from the soil. Since the phytic acid is already saturated the phytic acid would have to give up the minerals it has first in order to remove any minerals from the body. Since phytic acid has a higher affinity for dangerous free iron and toxic heavy metals it is also beneficial to the body, not dangerous. I addressed this various times when writing about soy myths:

        http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=106

          • says

            It would be nice if instead of just posting research studies you state what your point is with these studies. It takes too much time to read though all the studies and trying to figure out what your point is.

            As for this study though it actually provides evidence to my point. Here is a quote from the study:

            “Tervilä-Wilo et al. (1999) and Bohn et al. (2007) demonstrated that wheat phytate globoids consist of phytic acid and protein in greatest relative proportion but also other minerals especially K, Mg, Ca and Fe in decreasing order of concentration.”

            Note that as I pointed out the phytic acid within the plant is already bound to minerals. Thus in order to remove other minerals from the body the phytic acid would first have to give up the minerals it is already saturated with. And we have to keep in mind that phytates have a higher affinity for toxic metals than they do beneficial minerals.

            If you read further in the study you posted they do point out that the addition of FREE phytic acid to the diet resulted in a loss of minerals. This is because the phytic acid is not already saturated with minerals the plant has already taken up from the soil. This is like claiming water robs the body of minerals since truly pure water is highly corrosive and will take minerals from the body in an attempt to saturate. On the other hand already saturated water such as spring water is not corrosive and would have to give up the minerals it is already saturated with in order to remove other minerals from the body.

            Free phytic acid (inositol hexaphospahte, IP6) is sold in health foods stores for among other things as a cancer therapy because it has a high affinity for free iron that can promote cancer and cancer pathogens.

          • Mindy says

            I’m so glad someone with actual peer reviewed evidence is posting. Thank you Ted.

            I actually do suffer from a very acidic body due to years of abuse in eating wheat (in response to the question about wheat being different – it is because most of it is genetically modified), eating white sugar (way too much), white flour, etc.

            For awhile I went to many specialists. No one could find out what was wrong. They thought for sure that I had Lupus because my ANA titers were 1-320 homogenous and 1-320 speckled. It was ruled out with SS-A and SS-B. So I was sent on my merry way.

            All the while, as my tongue continued to burn with no relief, I tested my Ph via urine and saliva – both were as alkaline as baking soda -10. Tell me, is that normal? No. What was happening was my body was so acidic that it was pulling any mineral that it could from my bones and doing a dump to keep my kidneys from burning.

            I finally got someone to listen to me and was tested for a fungal overgrowth – sure enough, candida with a blood ph of 5.5!!!

            Diet and supplements DO affect pH and are so important. But until you have actually dealt with it personally, it is easy to throw around everything you have read and studied.

            And while everyone is different, let me be bold in saying this, you and every person that chooses to believe that acidity and alkalinity are not affected by lifestyle, including what one chooses to eat are dead wrong! Forgive my rudeness. But if I hadn’t listened to my internal voice as my body that was telling me that something was wrong, I may have just joined the ranks with all the people that live with the ambiguous diagnosis of “You have some kind of autoimmune disease but we don’t know which one” or I may have taken the Fibromyalgia diagnosis and joined the ranks of those supporting the pharmaceutical companies. No thanks! I already take enough medical toxis, I don’t need to add another.

            Be blessed!
            Mindy

            • James says

              Hi Mindy,

              You are basing so much of your self diagnosis on bogus information. For example, if you had a blood pH of 5.5 you would have been dead. Death occurs below a blood pH of 6.8.

              Neither saliva, nor urine reflect blood pH. Salivary pH can be altered from simply thinking about a certain food. It can also be altered by saliva flow, if you brushed your teeth recently, etc. Urinary pH can be altered by urinary tract infection, certain medications, etc. The ONLY way to determine blood pH is by testing the blood itself.

              As for the bones being demineralized to buffer the acidity, as I pointed out bone minerals are only used as a last resort by the body to buffer acids.

              As for Candida, EVERYONE has Candida. It is normal part of our bodies. But Candida is a dimorphic microbe, which means it can exist in two forms. In an acidic environment the Candida growth gene is turned off and the Candida is kept in its benign yeast form. In an alkaline environment the Candida growth gene is turned on resulting in candidiasis. In addition, the alkalinity results in the conversion of Candida in to its pathogenic fungal form. In its fungal form the Candida forms finger-like projections called hyphae that allow the Candida to dig in and damage tissues resulting in conditions such as leaky gut syndrome.

              In fact, what you said in your post supports this fact. You mentioned the Candida overgrowth and the highly alkaline environment in conjunction with each other. Thrush occurs when the levels of acid forming flora, which keep Candida in control, are reduced. The resultant alkaline environment again leads to the overgrowth of fungal Candida.

              There is no such thing as an “alkaline diet”. The foods considered alkaline also contain a variety of acids and the simple sugars, amino acids and fibers in these plants are all metabolized to form acids.

              The health benefits of consuming more plant material comes in the form of nutrition, such as ascorbic acid and pantothenic acid that support adrenal function. By the way, adrenal dysfunction plays a primary role in autoimmunity:

              http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Auto_Immunity.htm

              It is virtually impossible to alkalize the blood through diet. You would have to overwhelm the body’s pH buffering systems starting with stomach acid to do so. And this would be extremely dangerous and would lead to all sorts of other health issues.

              Research how digestion works. All foods are made acidic in the stomach. Then they are all alkalized as the chyme leaves the stomach. This is the so-called “alkaline response”. Proteins are broken down in to amino acids, which are then broken down in to highly alkaline and dangerous ammonia. To protect the body the ammonia is neutralized with carbonic acid to form uric acid, one of the body’s primary antioxidants. Excess uric acid is hydrolyzed for safe passage through the kidneys for excretion and is also eliminated in feces. Fats are broken down in to fatty acids for use by the body. Simple sugars are metabolized for energy producing carbonic acid used for various beneficial purposes in the body. Excess is reduced by exhalation of carbon dioxide. Fibers are digested by cellulase and hemicellulase produced by the intestinal flora. The resulting sugars are fermented by the bacteria top produce a variety of beneficial acids that help destroy pathogens and aid in nutrient absorption.

              The so-called “alkaline diet” is rich in its own acids, and simple and complex sugars as well as proteins and fats that all metabolize in to acids. This is why there is really no such thing as an alkaline diet. Just a more nutritional diet.

    • Aubrey says

      I just read Wheat Belly and noticed his acid/base chapter also. He does give protein a green light, acknowledging that it paradoxically increases bone health despite being an acidic food, and he uses tha acid base argument to argue further against wheat consumption. Unfortunately, foods I consider healthy are caught up in the acid/base nonsense and called “bad”. Still, it was disappointing to see this argument in a book I liked overall given the research available that Chris has gathered here.

      • Mindy says

        And PS., since I changed my diet (slowly because it was so bad – and I did go through a wheat withdrawal [no, I did not cut sugar out at the same time]), my ANA titers went down to 1-160 homogenous and speckled.

        The swelling and pain in my hands have also gone away. This, after years of pain and not know why.

        What I was eating was killing me. We are what we eat.

  17. Scott Sterling says

    Leaving aside questions of blood or body pH, have you seen the latest studies regarding larynx type problems responding well to a less acidic diet?

  18. Ken B says

    I was never aware of any osteoporosis claims in regard to an acid/alkali imbalance. However, I was always under the assumption that communicable diseases, even as simple as the common cold, were better able to flourish in an acidic environment. So my attempts to remain alkaline balanced was for a general well being and protection from illness. Also, curious about your opinion/evidence concerning what is covered in the book “Alkalize or Die?” Thanks again for insightful topics!

    • James says

      Hi Ken,

      The cold virus thriving in an acidic environment is just more sales nonsense.

      Viruses are not living to begin with, they are just packets of genetic material.

      But viruses can still function exceedingly well in an alkaline environment. For example, the vast majority of cancers have been linked to viruses inserted in to healthy cell genes. The internal pH of cancer cells though is more alkaline that the internal pH of healthy cells.

      Viruses are not the only pathogens that do fine in an alkaline environment. Most pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment and are killed or controlled by acids. For example, the ulcer and cancer causing bacteria H. pylori secretes highly alkaline ammonia to neutralize stomach acid to protect itself from the acidity. And Candida growth is inhibited by flora acids that turn off the Candida growth gene and keep the Candida in tits benign yeast form. Alkalinity turns on the Candida growth gene and coverts the Candida in to its pathogenic fungal form.

      One role of stomach acid is to destroy ingested pathogens. The flora that inhabit various parts of our body such as the skin, sinuses, intestines and vaginal cavity produce various acids that kill potential pathogens.

      The whole alkalize for health thing is nothing but sales hype.

  19. Jake Ivey, P.A. says

    Chris,

    Thanks for addressing this issue. Would you please address the use and supplementation of alkalizing foods like Apple Cider Vinegar, Bicarbonate, etc.., and how such use relates to your conclusions and an overall health protocol?

    • James says

      Hi Jake,

      I would like to address your question.

      First of all, every food stimulates the same alkaline response. Lemons for example, as well as apple cider vinegar, are acidic but we have all heard stimulate an alkaline response. Did you know though that steak, fish, candy bars, cake, pie, fruits and vegetables, etc. all stimulate that same exact alkaline response? In short, all foods are made acidic in the stomach by stomach acid. The mixture of food, stomach acid and enzymes is known as chyme. When the acidic chyme is released in to the intestines the pancreas releases alkaline bicarbonate to neutralize the acid in order to protect the intestines. The release of bicarbonate from the pancreas is known as the “alkaline response”.

      Bicarbonate is not a food, nor is it safe to ingest. Not only will this raise your sodium levels significantly, but the neutralization of the stomach acid can lead to all sorts of health problems from acid reflux in the short run due to increased fermentation to problems such as cancer in the long run due to decreased methylation.

      See:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2632

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2945

  20. Kay says

    Thanks, Chris, for the great article. It cleared up a lot for me, and I’m looking forward to the next part. My mom, who is vegan, is always telling me I’m making my body too acidic by eating generous amounts of meat. Obviously, we disagree on that subject. :)

    Keep up the great work. You are appreciated!

    Kay

  21. says

    Thanks for this. Having worked in a hospital for 12+ years I’ve seen first hand what real changes in blood pH do but you’ll only see it if you work in an ICU….true alkalosis and acidosis is a life threatening condition, and no, putting lemon in your water in the morning ain’t gonna do it

    • finndian says

      Perhaps not, but as any endurance runner knows… a teaspoon of simple baking soda has a dramatic effect on blood PH.

      • says

        Again that is an old myth. It was once thought that during heavy exercise the body generated lactic acid. The fact is that no human cell produces lactic acid, not even cancer cells. They generate non-acidic lactate, which can actually be used to generate energy for the cells.

        A spoon full of baking soda will merely neutralize the stomach acid, with the release of carbon dioxide that ironically mixes with water in the stomach forming carbonic acid. The reaction will form sodium chloride salt providing an electrolyte for the body, but there would not be enough baking soda surviving the stomach acid to make any significant difference in the blood pH.

        • Mindy says

          I am assuming that the point Finndian was making is based on the importance of Electrolytes. Especially while running long distances and consuming lots of water.
          Just google “death of marathon running right before finish line”. Zero electrolytes means no K+, Cl, Cal – all which are needed for our cells to communicate.

          When I did a half marathon last year there were salt stations for us to replenish our electrolytes.

        • Gerald says

          Re: James to Finndian;
          Again that is an old myth. It was once thought that during heavy exercise the body generated lactic acid. The fact is that no human cell produces lactic acid, not even cancer cells. They generate non-acidic lactate, which can actually be used to generate energy for the cells.

          James are you referring to the Lactate produced by “anaerobic glycolosis” I would disagree, because if I eat too much carbs, I start hurting. I have to eat smaller portions more frequently.

          Also why are Fibromyalgic’s “exercise resistant” and flare up after exercise, catching up on chores etc.?

          • James says

            “James are you referring to the Lactate produced by “anaerobic glycolosis” I would disagree, because if I eat too much carbs, I start hurting. I have to eat smaller portions more frequently.”

            A fact that a lot of people are not aware of is that anaerobic glycolysis occurs in the body 24/7 as part of the body’s energy production. Cells utilize anaerobic glycolysis followed by oxidative phosphorylation for ATP formation.

            “Also why are Fibromyalgic’s “exercise resistant” and flare up after exercise, catching up on chores etc.?”

            Fibromyalgia has a lot to do with a lack of muscular ATP. In fact we similar symptoms as a side effect of cholesterol lowering statin drugs, which reduce muscular ATP leading to rhabdomyolosis and heart failure.

            So the answer could be as simple as during exercise the muscles cannot keep up with the higher demand for ATP production since the muscles were deficient in ATP to begin with.

  22. says

    As well, the theory is based on basic chemistry of conjugate acids and bases [correct me if I'm wrong] and this is not the same thing as acid base balance in the body

  23. says

    I am the author of the book “The Doctor Who Cures Cancer.”

    The author is correct in that being too alkaline can make a person sick as well as being too acidic.

    There are actually three distinct patterns when talking about urine pH. While blood pH stays within tight parameters of 7.35 to 7.45, the urine pH should fluctuate daily. The urine pH balance point is 6.2, but daily readings should be both above and below 6.2 pH. Any other pattern indicates one of two distinct metabolic imbalances which can cause various illnesses, including cancer.

    It is probably due to the various different patterns that each distinct pattern has been missed.

    Dr. Emanuel Revici made this discovery of dualism. In the hospital he founded, as many as 150,000 urine pH tests were conducted a year for well over a decade. He was the only person with the actual data regarding pH patterns and the evidence that showed how the imbalanced anabolic or catabolic patterns related to the patient’s pathology.

  24. BillP says

    Thanks for this summary, Chris, very, very interesting.

    A few years ago, an elderly (87 yr) friend had me install a kitchen-counter-top device that was plumbed into the tap water under the sink, and produced a reservoir of alkaline drinking water. Drinking x number of glasses of this stuff a day was supposed to alleviate all sorts of symptoms and diseases. I didn’t want to install it, and was ready to give him my perspective on this device. But after he told me that it cost him several thousand dollars, with no return guarantee, I kept my mouth shut, bit my tongue so that my head would not explode from frustration, and installed it. Later I did a bit of research on the internet, and ended up feeling that there was little if any supportive science behind it, and that the company was ripping off gullible oldsters that had more money and health worries than science sense. But I didn’t delve deeply into the studies at the time.

    Have any of you seen these things for sale?

    • says

      Bill, the device does assist through supplying infused hydrogen but there is no need to pay thousands. You can get the same effect from a non-electric device like the one I invented here alkaway.us.

  25. says

    When we do research for information, we should look at the issue from all angles that will help us find the focus of the issue after having had its holistic view. Otherwise, we are just like the three blind men try to figure our what an elephant looks like.
    I am sure that I will not buy into the idea of installing alkalizing water device at my home. But, I do believe foods do affect our pH in an insidious way, unless we eat certain foods in a large amount during a short period of the time.
    To help all of us storm our brain a bit, I want to share with you the idea of using lemon juice for resolving gouty arthritis, which is a result of crystallization of uric acid. And, uric acid is crystallized when the blood pH is “slightly” shifted into acidic and/or the temperature went down significantly. To question that foods do not affect blood pH, we should question why lemon juice would work well in helping ease gouty arthritis and reduce the serum uric acid level. Similarly, digesting sodium bicarbonate, tart cherry juice, apple cider vinegar, as well as Vitamin C also are reportedly helpful.
    Yes, both the lungs and the kidney, with the buffer system, help us regulate the pH of the blood and are trying to maintain the latter close to 7.4 as possible, However, before we find our urine is acidic, what has happen to the pH of the blood, was it at 7.4 all the time? Was it slightly acidic that triggers the buffer system and drive the excess acid out and/or stimulates the lungs to breathe harder for driving out more carbon dioxide?

    • says

      The answer to why lemon juice, apple cider vinegar and tart cherry juice all help with gout is simple. They all contain malic acid, which dissolves uric acid. It has nothing to do with changing the pH. Tart cherries also contain procyanidins that help reduce the inflammation.

      • guestt says

        Uric acid is acidic. Does it really matter if the malic acid dissolves the uric acid? The end result is still less acidity. It does have to do with changing the ph. If malic acid dissolves the uric acid, the end result is less acidity. Please do not attempt your circular reasoning.

        • James says

          How did you come to your incorrect conclusion of less acidity?

          Clearly you missed the important fact that the body maintains a tight regulation on its pH. So reducing one acid does not necessarily mean there will be less acid overall.

          Even the neutralization of acid by sodium bicarbonate, produced in the body, results in acid production. And the reaction of carbonic acid on alkaline ammonia both produced in the body results in the formation of another acid.

          So please show all of us the exact chemistry that allows acid levels to decrease as malic acid dissolves uric acid. Good luck!!!

  26. Mike says

    Hi Chris
    Thank you for your explanation of pH. Soil pH and our gut pH function the same. I have an agricultural background and when the gut of cattle change in pH there is a completely different microflora, species etc, this basically comes about from the eating a grain based diet. If they eat too much grain and the microflora can’t change quick enough the animal can die of acidosis, too much ammonia going into blood stream. So diet and pH can have serious consequences.

    Also relating to agriculture, if there is no healthy soil microbiology (which is predominately the situation across most os our agricultural soils) then plant root system act like straws sucking up water soluble nutrients/fertilisers, and the predominate fertilisers we use in agriculture are phosphorus and nitrogen both acidic elements. So majority of plants we are eating are in fact high in phosphorus and nitrates. This is something our bodies never had to deal with before about 50 years ago.

    Also relating to agriculture when soil pH is too low or too high there is less mineral uptake by plants even though there is plenty of the required minerals in the soil, the plant will be deficient in that mineral.

    I am in a situation where we see countless people who have cured their body of cancer mainly by increasing the pH of there body. I know of one man who 2 months ago was told he had lung cancer and he had 6 months to live, there was nothing they could do, a friend told him to alkalise his body, which he is doing, his tumour, in 2 months has gone from 7cm to 1 cm.

    I think the increase in consumption of grain and sugar in our diets has really effected pH negatively.I had a very acid body, my joints were stiff in the morning,pain in different parts of my body allergies etc. I spent 6 months getting the acid out of my body and now fell great. I eat a diet with moderate grass fed animal protein and heaps of vegetables.

    I know you think it is a myth and there is no evidence, but there is something definitely positive going on when people eating to increase their pH, I see hundreds of positive cases and usually within a month they feel dramatic results.

    • says

      Ammonia does not cause acidosis. Ammonia is highly alkaline and thus too much ammonia would cause alkalosis.

      Excess ammonia in the blood does not result from eating grains or to much meat. Excess ammonia generally indicates liver failure, but can have other causes including medications and metabolic disorders.

      As far as phosphorus and nitrogen go neither contain hydrogen and thus do not have a pH. Phosphorus can form acidic or alkaline compounds just like nitrogen.

      Regarding cancer you cannot alter your pH with diet. The body will simply adjust its pH back to normal range regardless of what you eat. Eating a healthier diet though can boost the immune system and eliminates hormones from meat that can promote cancer. Nothing to do with pH.

  27. says

    When we do research for information, we should look at the issue from all angles that will help us find the focus of the issue after having had its holistic view. Otherwise, we are just like the three blind men try to figure out what an elephant looks like.
    I am sure that I will not buy into the idea of installing alkalizing water device at my home. But, I do believe foods do affect our pH in an insidious way, unless we eat certain foods in a large amount during a short period of the time.
    To help all of us storm our brain a bit, I want to share with you the idea of using lemon juice for resolving gouty arthritis, which is a result of crystallization of uric acid. And, uric acid is crystallized when the blood pH is “slightly” shifted into acidic and/or the temperature went down significantly. To question that foods do not affect blood pH, we should question why lemon juice would work well in helping ease gouty arthritis and reduce the serum uric acid level. Similarly, digesting sodium bicarbonate, tart cherry juice, apple cider vinegar, as well as Vitamin C also are reportedly helpful.
    Yes, both the lungs and the kidney, with the buffer system, help us regulate the pH of the blood and are trying to maintain the latter close to 7.4 as possible, However, before we find our urine is acidic, what has happen to the pH of the blood, was it at 7.4 all the time? Was it slightly acidic that triggers the buffer system and drive the excess acid out and/or stimulates the lungs to breathe harder for driving out more carbon dioxide?

  28. R J G says

    Thank you for the timely article. I was recently diagnosed with HASHIMOTO’S but am following a paleo AIP diet. I have lost 111 lbs 18 months. But the theory you just dispelled eases my irrational fears of a toxic death.

  29. says

    High protein diets increase calcium absorption and calcium secretion and to lower parathyroid hormone which suggests that protein primarily increases calcium absorption rather than primarily increasing calcium secretion

    For people who want to associate acidosis with cancer, etc. Look for proper causes of acidosis like hypoxia, poor kidney function and lactic acidosis (think T2D).

    • says

      Protein does not increase calcium absorption, it blocks calcium absorption. This is why milk is such a bad source of available calcium and where the milk causes mucus myth comes from. Because protein blocks calcium uptake the calcium in milk has to go somewhere so it ends up calcifying the normal, thin, existing mucus that always exists in our throats. This makes the mucus thicker and stickier so it is more noticeable.

      The primary reason for calcium loss from bones is from hyperparathyroidism and pseudohyperparathyroidism. The former is most often from benign parathyroid tumors that are believed to result from a lack of active vitamin D3. In the later the process is triggered by an excess intake of phosphorus from sources such as dairy, red meats and colas.

        • says

          Again I have no idea what your point is by these studies. The first study is discussing kidney stones, which has nothing to do with my reply. Most oxalate stones are the result of excess oxalate being formed in the blood, not from diet as dietary oxalates bind with minerals in the diet and thus tend to not get absorbed. Instead they are excreted still bound in the feces.

          By the way, did you read this part of the first study?:

          “There are certain shortcomings in the study.”

          One of the shortcomings of the study is the fact that the body has to excrete excess calcium and magnesium to prevent problems in the body. For example, hypercalcemia can cause mental fogginess, high blood pressure, constipation, muscle cramps/spasms, etc. Excess magnesium can cause low blood pressure and diarrhea that could lead to electrolyte imbalances.

          I am not going to bother reading the other studies since I have no idea what the point is you are trying to make with them since you are not stating your point.

          But I am going to add that yes, bicarbonate can prevent bone breakdown by inhibiting the acid formed by the osteoclasts produced to break down the bone tissue for remodeling. Inhibition of bone remodeling may maintain bone density, but it also makes bones weak and increases the risk of fractures. Same principle by which osteoporosis drugs known as bisphosphonates make the bones harder, but they also significantly increase the risk of bone fractures in large part from creating very poor quality bone from inhibiting normal bone break down.

          • StenBjorsell says

            The last study Ted Hutchinson lists above in Sep 2 2013, flies in the face of the main article that says excess acid food intake can be dealt with to 100% through increased CO2 and urinary acid excretion. The study showed more than 10% reduction urinary calcium through bicarbonate ingestion. It also showed that participants with the lowest urinary acid excretion also had the lowest Calcium loss, which was reduced by addition of bicarbonate. Hence it looks like I need to check William Davis references as he could be right that it is the high (modern) grain content causing osteoporosis after all.

            But what puzzles me also is why bone-building works in younger years but not so well in older, on same grain rich diets! So Chris probably have a few points too!
            That metabolic acidosis is coupled with pulmonary alkalosis is well known, but usually the last leg for many with faster and faster breathing. Not a way for a healthy person to balance acidity.

      • CCM says

        According to the Weston A. Price Foundation, *raw* unpasteurized milk contains enzymes such as phosphatase and fat soluble vitamins A, D3, K2 that allow for the absorption of calcium and magnesium. Heat pasteurization denatures these enzymes and deactivates vitamins, and thus pasteurized milk is a poor source of calcium.

        • Mindy says

          Funny that you say you don’t see what Ted’s point is for posting studies, yet, you yourself have Failed to even post one.
          Do you have any published studies on this topic? Have you done research in a controlled laboratory? Do you really think that Johns Hopkins with all their research would release an article backing up the truth that acidity is where cancer thrives and it is our food that affects our body’s pH?

          Please enlighten us instead of arguing everyone else’s point as if you are the all wise one. Believe me, I hated giving up my sugary all carb diet, but it was killing me! You have no idea what havoc a highly acidic body can reap on a person unless you have experienced it yourself! It is horrible! I am all the empirical data that I need to know that I am right because I have actually LIVED it!

          It’s fine if you don’t want to believe the same, but don’t stand on your soap box telling others they are wrong when there are people out there with serious pain and no doctor has been able to find the source. All because of their highly acidic and overgrowth of fungus in their body. And additionally, their leaky gut caused by genetically modified wheat! They need to know that there is hope and that it does begin in their diet.

          • James says

            Hi Mindy,

            OK, you want references? References proving that the internal pH of cancer cells are highly alkaline to allow the cancer cells to survive and thrive:

            Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

            Vacuolar H_-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

            References showing that excess alkalinity promotes the conversion of healthy cells in to malignant (cancerous) cells:

            Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000 Nov;14(14):2185-97

            Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418

            31P NMR analysis of intracellular pH of Swiss Mouse 3T3 cells: effects of extracellular Na+ and K+ and mitogenic stimulation. J Membr Biol 1986;94(1):55-64

            Extracellular Na+ and initiation of DNA synthesis: role of intracellular pH and K+. J Cell Biol 1984 Mar;98(3):1082-9

            Alkalinity also drives glycolysis by cancer cells:

            Role of the Intracellular pH in the Metabolic Switch between Oxidative Phosphorylation and Aerobic Glycolysis-Relevance to Cancer. Cancer 2011;2(3):WMC001716

            The research exists if you bother to take the time to look.

        • James says

          In my opinion the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) is a joke. They are just paid spokespeople for the beef and dairy industries who fund them. And I have written a number of things exposing their fraudulent claims.

          For example, raw milk does not contain vitamin A unless added after milking the cow. Milk contains beta-carotene, which can be converted in to vitamin A.

          Raw milk only contains traces of vitamin D and not as vitamin D3. Instead, the trace of vitamin D in milk is in the form of inactive D2 provided by the plants the cows consume.

          Milk is fortified with vitamin D to help counteract some of the calcium absorption blocking effects of the protein in milk.

          Studies have shown that there is no difference in calcium absorption between raw and unpasteurized milk for a very simple reason. Even though pasteurization denatures the enzymes in milk so does the acidity of the stomach:

          Unpasteurized milk. The hazards of a health fetish. JAMA, 1984. 252(15): p. 2048-52.

          It has been shown though that the denaturing of proteins by pasteurization does make the milk proteins as easy if not easier to digest compared to raw milk:

          Raw milk and health in humans. Can Med Assoc J, 1982. 26(11): p. 1260-2.

          Ultra High Temperature Treatment, but Not Pasteurization, Affects the Postprandial Kinetics of Milk Proteins in Humans. J. Nutr. December 2008 vol. 138 no. 12 2342-2347

          • Robin says

            A lot of what you say makes sense, but some of it is blatant jumps in logic. Like saying that western price backs the dairy industry, when in fact they only back a marginalized part of it and make battle with big dairy institutions no doubt that funded the research you refer to in relation to dairy products. Your approach to everything tends to be very black and white. I have news for you things are not as simplistic as you sometimes make out. The world is in colour. You have given me much to think about. I have known for a long time that some trace minerals and nutrients have a role to play in blood ph and as far as they support the bodies systems to regulate ph at least they have influence on ph. Also stimulation of HCl acid has influence on ph as improperly digested food can influence gut flora. Inadequate HCl (& other digestive juices) also can promote Candida overgrowth. If not enough bicarb is released from the pancreas it could also mess up ph of gut environment. So saying that food doesn’t have a role in ph is false. Leafy green vegetables stimulate HCl which helps to mean that we get the benefit from proteins and minerals, the stimulation of bile is also related which enables to get benefit from fat. When we have poor nutrition or stress and our thyroid/adrenals get under the weather, stimulation can stop working from that end as well. Your statement that stress does not effect PH in the blood is false as stress effects breathing, it effects digestion and it effects hormones, it effects glands, all of which can effect the ph of the blood or the ability of the body to regulate the ph of the blood. While the standard hypothesis on ph has lots of holes. In practice a large people get benefit without properly understanding it and some of it being counter productive.

            While it is true that phytates provide a vital function, too much can be a problem and can lead to deficiencies in minerals. My family lived on soy for most of my life and ended up nutritionally depleted despite having a very healthy diet otherwise. The western price diet only reduces Phytates a a small amount it does not remove them altogether. So on the western price diet I probably have a higher intake of phytates then most people, because a lot of nutrient dense foods contain phytates. Your premise regarding phytates assumes that people produce adequate amounts of bile, on the low fat diet most live on this is unlikely (incidentally a diet of heavy fluctuating fat & oil levels in diet is a good way to get gall stones). It also premises a high level of waste removal through the bile. If there is insufficient to make up for the amount of phytates then they will attach to or stay attached to beneficial minerals. A diet with adequate levels of the right fibres and enough phytates along with regular bile stimulation should be enough for removal of toxic minerals. Transport of toxic mineral from around the body to the gallbladder is still of course needed.

            In summary easy with the logic jumps and over simplification. Thanks for your insight and giving me some things to think about James. Also if John reads this thanks too for the article very interesting.

              • James says

                “Like saying that western price backs the dairy industry, when in fact they only back a marginalized part of it”

                Do I really have to be that specific for you? That would be like if you claimed the FDA was corrupt I would have to come back and point out to you that only some FDA officials are corrupt. Point is that people use generalizations all the time and the vast majority of people realize that and factor that in.

                “I have known for a long time that some trace minerals and nutrients have a role to play in blood ph and as far as they support the bodies systems to regulate ph at least they have influence on ph. ”

                Again, the main pH regulation is through respiration, not minerals. In fact, most of the body’s pH regulation is not influenced by minerals. So I guess you were using one of those generalizations we were just discussing. I guess the world is not as black and white as you are making it out to be.

                “Also stimulation of HCl acid has influence on ph as improperly digested food can influence gut flora.”

                Improperly digested food does not affect the flora. The flora feed in fibers, which are not digested by the human body. In the process the flora generate acids that keep Candida in check.

                “Inadequate HCl (& other digestive juices) also can promote Candida overgrowth.”

                Misleading. As I just pointed out Candida is kept in check by the acids generated by the flora. The ONLY role that stomach acid plays in controlling Candida is keeping Candida out of the stomach. Nowhere else in the body. And “other digestive juices” have nothing to do with this. Pancreatic enzymes and bile are not going to affect Candida.

                “If not enough bicarb is released from the pancreas it could also mess up ph of gut environment.”

                Again, misleading. If not enough bicarbonate is being released then you would have severe acid induced ulcerations of the intestines. How often is this seen if ever?

                “So saying that food doesn’t have a role in ph is false.”

                First of all I said virtually no influence on pH. And everyone here, except you apparently, realize that we are talking about blood pH, not intestinal pH.

                Food plays little direct effect on blood pH. Most pH control is done through respiration followed by dumping of protons through the kidneys.

                “Leafy green vegetables stimulate HCl which helps to mean that we get the benefit from proteins and minerals, the stimulation of bile is also related which enables to get benefit from fat. ”

                Again misleading. The release of stomach acid can occur with any food, water or even anticipation of eating. So to imply that you need leafy green vegetables to stimulate HCl secretions is way off base.

                As for bile, the release of bile is stimulated by the presence of fats, which can be found in various foods including junk foods. Again, you do not need green leafy vegetables for this.

                Speaking of bile, the release of cholecystokinin, which stimulates bile release inhibits stomach acid production. So once again things are not nearly as black and white as you are trying to make them out to be.

                “Your statement that stress does not effect PH in the blood is false as stress effects breathing, it effects digestion and it effects hormones, it effects glands, all of which can effect the ph of the blood or the ability of the body to regulate the ph of the blood.”

                I see you only read the one sentence and ignored the rest of what I said so you could make your point. What I pointed out AFTER that sentence is that the body will simply readjust its pH back to the normal. I was discussing long term pH abnormalities, which stress is not going to cause. If it did we would be dead since both acidosis and alkalosis can cause death. But how many times have I explained the very temporary pH alterations from hyperventilation, which can occur from stress? Hyperventilation will make someone highly alkaline for a extremely short period of time because this causes us to pass out from lack of blood flow to the brain When we pass out respiration slows or stops temporarily allowing carbonic acid to build back up to restore normal pH. Again, there is no long term pH imbalance, which was pointed out in the rest of my comment and you chose to ignore. Again, the world is not as black and white as you keep trying to make it out to be. To see the color you need to pay attention to all the facts being presented and not just portions so you think you can form a valid argument.

                “While it is true that phytates provide a vital function, too much can be a problem and can lead to deficiencies in minerals. ”

                This is a very common myth I addressed previously here:

                http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2791

                Do you think there is only one cause of nutritional deficiencies? Sorry, but things are not that over simplistic.

                By the way, I was raised on soy since I was an infant and have eaten it throughout my life. I have never had any nutrient deficiencies. Again, there are various reasons for nutritional deficiencies, but phytic acid in grains and other seeds are not one. That is just internet propaganda.

                “Your premise regarding phytates assumes that people produce adequate amounts of bile”

                You assume too much. Again, the phytic acid in grains and other seeds are ALREADY bound to minerals the plants pick up from the soil. The only way the phytates can pick up minerals from the body is to release the minerals they are already bound to. All that takes to understand such a simple concept is a little common sense. And again, phytates have a higher affinity for toxic free iron and heavy metals than they do beneficial minerals. So phytates do not “rob” the body of minerals, nor are they harmful. They actually provide beneficial effects to the body.

                “on the low fat diet most live on this is unlikely (incidentally a diet of heavy fluctuating fat & oil levels in diet is a good way to get gall stones)”

                Once again, things are not black and white. Fluctuating oil/fat levels does not cause gallstones. Most gallstones are cholesterol based and the cholesterol most often supersaturates the bile to form stones due to excess cholesterol secretion in to the bile and bile stagnation. The most common reasons for these are high levels of estrogen and progesterone or a lack of dietary fats. Not fluctuations in dietary fats. Other factors that can contribute include a lack of lecithin, lack of dietary fiber sources that include phytate containing grains or sudden, extreme weight loss.

                “It also premises a high level of waste removal through the bile. If there is insufficient to make up for the amount of phytates then they will attach to or stay attached to beneficial minerals.”

                Insufficient what? And again, the phytates have a higher affinity for toxic free iron and heavy metals than they do for beneficial minerals.

                “Transport of toxic mineral from around the body to the gallbladder is still of course needed.”

                Once again you are looking at this in black and white instead of color. Many toxic minerals can be eliminated through various means having NOTHING to do with bile. For example, how many toxic and “non-toxic” minerals are eliminated through the kidneys? Bile is not excreted through the kidneys.

                “In summary easy with the logic jumps and over simplification.”

                Listen closely to your own advice. You really don’t understand how the body functions or the beneficial role of compounds such as phytates.

                • Robin says

                  You deliberately misinterpreted what I said. You attack everyone on here. I said some positive things about your ideas. I cannot be bothered with someone as negative as you. I can’t see getting anywhere. There is no point talking with someone who is dishonest. I am pretty sure that I understand this stuff far better then you. How can I not when you are so blinkered. You don’t even figure the point that nutrition and stress e.t.c have on breathing. An example of your failure to be an honest person is that you jumped from me saying that bitter herbs stimulate HCl to that they are the only thing that does. Also that it is the only thing that stimulates Bile when I actually indicated Fat was the main thing. Never did I say that fat wasn’t in bad food etc. So that assertion was just completely made up by you. You are interested in winning debates not in truth, or in caring about other people. I really hope that your attitude changes in the future, so that your mind could be put to more productive use then jumping to conclusions.

                • finndian says

                  Robin that is exactly it. He wants to win a debate and the truth goes out the window. He is shamelessly lying and not even attempting to verify anything you have to say. If I were you I would just ignore him like I do. He is a classic internet troll.

                  BTW… Paleo Huntress says “James is the expert, not me. And I mean that, he is that ACTUAL, in-the-lab, pH expert. Your comments here are meaningless next to his.”

                  Does anyone else find that strange that she is going down to the mat for this guy despite his obviously ramblings and troll behavior on here?

                • Paleo Huntress says

                  finndian,

                  Are you familiar with Tolkien’s works? You are the Wormtongue of this forum. If you have nothing to add to the discussion but to cast suspicion and provide conjecture, your time would be better spent elsewhere.

                  “Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth.”

  30. Edith says

    Thank you for the interesting research Chris.
    After many years as a (supposedly very healthy) vegetarian and vegan my spontaneously fracturing skeleton is proof of the fallacy of this pH myth ! And I’m not alone – I have friends and associates now with severe low bone density, some of them fracturing also.
    We believed that our meat-free, alkaline diet, very high in fresh fruit and vegetables, would protect our bones. We can’t be the only ones. Others must be similarly affected, but not yet aware of a looming problem !
    Many studies on veg(etari)ans have been conducted over a short time frame. I’ve not seen any long term (25 years +) studies. The problem is worse with vegans than vegetarians. Unfortunately, many of the latter are ‘Soyatarians’, who shun dairy, and are therefore virtually vegan.
    The problem is not too many fruits and vegetables, but rather too little ‘first class protein’. Ample vegetable protein didn’t suffice.
    Transitioning to a vegetarian/vegan diet can often bring health benefits, especially when moving off the SAD diet.
    BUT – the effect of deficiencies (of protein, Vit K2, Calcium, B12 and B6, Retinol, Omega 3 fatty acids, etc.) on bone takes many years to become evident.
    I have heard that Seventh Day Adventist vegetarians who consume consume liberal amounts of dairy are not so affected. Can anyone verify this information ?
    It would be interesting also to learn how the vegan community ‘The Farm’, Tennessee established by Steven Gaskin over 30 years ago, has fared. Does anybody know ?

    • says

      There is much more to bone health than is being stated. For example, you mention protein. Plants can have more protein with a better amino acid profile than animal sources. So it is not just protein required. The role of protein in bone is the formation of the collagen matrix, which requires proline, lysine and glycine along with other nutrients such as zinc, copper and vitamin C.

      The real key to strong bones though is silica, which not only helps in the formation of the collagen matrix, but also aids with calcium absorption and is responsible for the actual mineralization of bones. Without sufficient silica you can take all the protein you want and take minerals all day long and your bones would still be falling apart.

      As far as dairy goes, dairy does not build bone it breaks down bone. Protein in dairy blocks calcium absorption, but not the absorption of the phosphorus. The increased levels of phosphorus lead to pseudohyperparathyroidism, which results in the breakdown of bone as the parathyroid glands release extra parathyroid hormone. This is why the U.S. and Finland are the largest consumers of dairy in the world and have the highest rates of bone loss.

    • John Carraway says

      Edith – It’s not alkalinity that has failed you, it is the lack of proteins, fats, B12, etc that has caused your bone deterioration. A vegetarian diet is very hard on the body. Humans need a healthy balance of animal and plant foods. There is no benefit from excluding one from the other, and soybeans are not fit for human or animal consumption. Read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith. Also check out ancestralhealth.org (Nora Gedgaudas), livingfuel.com, and mtcapra.com.

  31. Ian Blair Hamilton says

    I think there is a synthesis here. Your article makes some very general assumptions about alkaline minerals and bone loss but does not look at the effect adequate alkaline buffers have in the body. Of course eating alkaline food won’t change the pH of the blood! But conversely, eating excess acidifying food will cause the body to bring into effect the many processes of rebalancing an acid imbalance. There’s a really simple analogy here, and I have seen many doctors ignore it. Take a bucket of water. Add acid. Keep adding acid. Now the bucket is very acidic. This is our body: it does not have infinite pH balancing capability and all pH readjustment of the body obeys the strict laws of physics and chemistry, albeit sometimes in mysterious ways. So to suggest that a human ‘bucket of water’ can somehow infinitely adjust its pH with no outside help seems specious at best. The body isn’t beyond the laws of nature and the laws of nature say that the only way to return the bucket of acidic water to a neutral “healthy” state is to add alkalis.

    Regarding the Osteo-pH theory I have some sympathy for Chris’ statement that there is no link between intake of alkalis and bone health – or more clearly, the excess of acidity and bone decay. Having been on an alkaline diet for the last 13 years I was dismayed to find (as a result of a broken leg from a relatively minor accident) that I had serious osteoporosis. Layman level web research revealed the missing link. Gut health, and particularly Vitamin K2 support the laying down of new bone, and calcium supps can have no effect without the support of this vitamin. I am slowly rebuilding my bones with daily K2, D and A. Significantly, the best source of K2 is grassfed beef – a paleo favourite.

    I’d like to add that one comment made the point that the minimal amount of red meat and the large amount of greens that are the basis of paleo can definitely be seen as an alkaline diet. However I’d like to stretch the envelope a bit here.I just finished reading Dr Thomas Seyfried’s paper ‘Cancer as a Metabolic Disease’ and was hugely impressed by his synthesis of Warburg’s cell respiration and glycolysis theories of cancer creation and the later genomic causes. In it he points out that there may well be a cycle of accelerating cancer as poor cell respiration and high glucose levels support formation of cancerous cells, but that once cancer begins, it may take advantage of the genetic dispositions of the host to accelerate growth. The factors he isolated; cellular respiration (AKA energy feed and transfer to and from the cell ) and the great advantage cancer takes of a higher than usual supply of available glucose showed me – to my layman’s brain – that by reducing sugar in any form we can begin to cancer-proof ourselves, but by adopting a paleo diet and activating the ketonic system we can support proper and natural cellular respiration. Fats and ketone bodies replace glucose as the nutrition of the cell, thus depriving cancer of its advantage. Further, fats & ketones support healthy cells, but not cancer cells. In this sense cancer cells have specialised themselves into a corner; rob them of their specialised food – sugar, ensure the precancer cell has the right food in the form of ketones and fats, Another way of looking at this diet is calorie restriction, which has a known beneficial effect on inflammation, one of the causes of poor cellular respiration.

    Which brings me back to the alkaline part of what I like to call the alkaline paleo diet. It’s my belief that greens are an essential part of the paleo diet to balance (yes, pH balance) the fats and meats we consume. Greens are great because their major health payoff is antioxidant capability. ROS are inevitably linked with inflammation, inflammation is, from Dr Seyfrieds, article supportive of reduced cell health. But my question is exactly HOW do greens become antioxidants.The actual form of an antioxidant is a hydrogen ion that has the ability to unite with reactive oxygen species, or more specifically, unite with them to create H2O. So the alkalis in greens react in the body and as they break down hydrogen ions are released.

    The difficulty I see in many people on the Paleo diet is that they just can’t eat enough greens, and so a paper on findings of the effects of hydrogen water was very interesting. If we eat greens primarily to get a supply of antioxidants, and the antioxidants are actually hydrogen ions, then it would appear that we can shortcut or support the antioxidant process simply by drinking hydrogen water. And again, in my layman mind, I see antioxidants (oxidants being acids) as definitely fitting in with Seyfrieds’s sequence of events that the body is capable of in preventing the formation of cancerous cells.

    So I agree with some particulars in this report. I agree that a urine test is not an accurate predictor of a body under acid threat. We now use a ketone meter because it gives us a clear and measurable indication that the body is now out of the sugar cycle and producing ketones – a much more relevant indicator not necessarily of pH levels in the body, but of what we are seeking to achieve as a result of measuring our pH levels. I have seen many, many people go onto alkaline water, for instance, and watched their disappointment as their urine pH tests did not significantly change

    I also agree that the blood remains relatively stable, but disagree that this is the relevant measure of pH health. I think the constant adjustment and balancing of the body to support the blood’s pH limits to be a form of stress and ongoing in most modern acidic lifestyles, thus causing its own circular response of inflammation, further balancing and further acidification metabilcally and as a natural result of inflammation.

    Finally, the headings, the kidneys, not bone, manage pH is misleading because no-one (and I acknowledge there is some very unscientific statements from the alkaline diet people) ever said bones regulate pH. Bones are the victims of pH regulation and we have to see this in the context of constant and systemic acidification of a level never before experienced in history. A constantly excessively acid-loaded body must run out of alkaline buffer minerals and the body,a s we all know has a whole range of obscure, but effective strategies for using parts of itself to save those parts it deems more needed for survival. Dr Amy Lou Lanou’s book Building better Bones, describing a metastudy of over 1200 calcium supplementation studies, concludes that excess protein is a definite and constant acidifier because the body simply converts excess protein to acids. She describes in detail the process of bone stripping the body resorts to in cases where no other option is available.

    I look forward to your next edition. Alkaline diet is something that seems so simple that it has become popular. I agree that the science to support the more popular claims we hear is not there. It is an internet born and raised diet. To see how significant it really is just go to Google trends and compare paleo diet with alkaline diet. But let’s see what it is showing us about where we find ourselves in these extraordinary times. We DO ingest more acidic food than we ever have. We DO have chronic inflammation as a nation, not to mention diabetes and we DO generally die of cancer. Let’s look beyond the populist theories and do the work to find what is really happening at a cellular level. seyfried’s article helped me connect the dots, and once connected, they led me to a new appreciation of moderate protein, alkaline greens and hydrogen water in my personal diet.

  32. NevadaSmith says

    So what about folks who claim to have cured their cancer by taking sodium bicarbonate or to lower their blood pressure by taking potassium bicarbonate? My wife has been taking the latter and her blood pressure has come down but she is doing other things as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6LiHYLXBV4

    • says

      Sodium bicarbonate ingestion will not cure cancer.

      Potassium bicarbonate ingestion can help with SOME cases of high blood pressure as the reaction with stomach acid forms the salt potassium chloride. Potassium displaces sodium lowering blood pressure in cases of sodium retention associated hypertension.

      On the other hand the long term use of bicarbonates can lead to a whole host of health issues due to decreased nutrient absorption. Lack of stomach acid also leads to decreased methylation that leads to problems such as heart disease, decreased tissue healing, depression, immune suppression, further decreases in stomach acid, etc. A lack of stomach acid also increases the risk of illness due to the ingestion of pathogens that will not be killed as they would normally when sufficient stomach acid is present. If potassium is helping she would be much better off simply taking a potassium supplement such as potassium gluconate or potassium rich foods like papaya, kiwis, mangoes, watermelon, citrus and ripe bananas.

  33. says

    I’m glad you tackled this topic Chris. This is one area that I’ve been particularly interested in and I’m very glad a real expert is taking a close look and providing us with a clear understanding of what seems to be the truth with regard to acid/alkaline balance.

    While the food we eat may not impact our pH, the important thing that I’ve learned from self experimentation, is that (at least for me) a good balance of “alkaline” foods like vegetables and fruits are very important for me to feel and function my best. At one time I was eating a very high protein, moderate fat and almost no carbohydrate diet and I began to experience some unpleasant symptoms from aching bones to digestive problems. Once I added the veggies and fruit back into the mix, I felt an almost immediate improvement in all areas.

    Dr. Ben Kim wrote an article (http://drbenkim.com/ph-body-blood-foods-acid-alkaline.htm) about this topic that I found interesting and to me it makes sense – basically our body can handle a highly acidic diet but too much acid forming foods can require our “buffering systems” to work extra hard which could possible throw some things out of whack. That’s an over-simplified explanation of his article of course but to me it makes sense – there has to be a balance for everything to work optimally and finding the optimal balance for our own body is the key.

    I’ve read quite a bit about how stress can affect your pH as well and I’m curious what you think about the effects that stress has (or does not have) on our pH or the systems that manage our pH levels.

    • Ian Blair Hamilton says

      Tim, may I suggest (respectively) that from the data you supplied, fat needs more attention. Fat is the source of ketones, your natural energy source.

    • says

      Stress is not going to affect pH for the same reason diet does not. The body regulates its pH tightly. Any acids formed by stress would be immediately offset by respiration. Think about it, when we are under stress our respiration increases, which removes carbon dioxide and hydrogen ions thereby reducing acidity.

        • James says

          Yes, stress affects the adrenals. That does not mean it affects pH.

          So where is your peer reviewed research proving stress causes the blood to go acidic. You keep asking me to provide research, which I have been doing, but you have yet to provide any research to back your claims such as stress causes acidity. Instead you are telling me to provide the research to prove your claims false. Things don’t work that way. You need to provide the peer reviewed studies to back your claims since you are the initial claimant.

  34. says

      • James says

        Why are you thanking Ted? All he is doing is posting whatever studies he thinks supports his view without specifying what parts of the study he believes supports his view. For example, he posted some studies earlier trying to support his belief that cancer cells have an acidic pH that helps them to survive and thrive. He posted studies discussing the external matrix, which IS NOT the cancer cells.

        And let’s look at the study he posted a link to here
        “Examining the relationship between diet-induced acidosis and cancer”. So what does the study say?:

        “Extracellular acidity is mostly generated by tumor cells due to upregulated proton [H+ and lactic acid production ”

        So first of all they are saying external acidity, which again IS NOT the pH of the cancer cell. Studies have shown again and again that the internal pH of cancer cells is not only more alkaline than healthy cells but also that excess alkalinity morphs healthy cells in to cancer cells.

        Furthermore, it has been known for decades that cancer cells DO NOT produce lactic acid. They generate NON-ACIDIC lactate, which can be re-used by the cancer cells as fuel.

        So he can post old, outdated studies that he does not understand all day long but this does not mean the studies he presents prove his point nor yours.

  35. says

    Hi Chris, Yes, I agree the body “tightly regulates the pH of our blood” and yes, blood pH will consistently remain close to 7.4 unless a person is critically ill. But this does not mean that people don’t develop chronic low-grade metabolic acidosis and that this condition contributes to poor health. In fact, this catabolic condition is much more common than most realize. I also agree with you that there is no correlation between urine pH, metabolic acidosis, bone mineral density or fracture risk. I don’t think that there are many people out there who disagree with this..at least those who understand the pathophysiology of osteoporosis. But this does not mean that testing urine pH is bogus or that it has no place in the clinical setting. Testing urine pH can be extremely helpful especially for promoting patient compliance to a healthy high fruit and vegetable diet.

    All patients are metabolically different and the causes of bone loss are complex—acid-base balance is only one aspect of osteoporosis. I describe osteoporosis as a collision between immunological dysfunction and the body’s energy regulatory mechanisms. This collision is then influenced by hormonal, mechanical, neuronal, and transcriptional regulatory arms of bone remodeling—and all of this is embedded in a pH and temperature sensitive environment.

    If you notice, I mention body pH as only one part of the equation. For strong bones, an individual’s immune system must be in balance, their hormones effective, and their nerve flow optimal for osteoclasts and osteoblasts in bone remodeling to remain coupled. Immerse all of these factors in a suboptimal pH (or a system that struggles to maintain this pH) and it just may not function as well. Does this mean that an acidic pH will give a person osteoporosis? No. Does it mean that a diet high in acidic foods will cause bone loss….well, no, not directly. But it does mean that it may have a detrimental effect on the function of the “whole-body” and if a person’s immune system or hormone system or digestive tract is in any way compromised then in all probability pH and his or her dietary choices will create a greater impact on bone health.

    I don’t think anyone would disagree that chronic systemic low-grade metabolic acidosis is destructive to bone and to health in general. The problem arises when advocates of the acid-ash hypothesis begin to oversimplify things by suggesting that we choose foods based on acidity or alkalinity and that this will determine the density of our bones. This creates a skewed view of what is healthy to eat and what is not. There are many “acidic” foods that are healthy. In fact certain amino acids from protein with their additional carboxyl groups are helpful for eliminating acids from the body. Adequate protein intake is important not only for building strong muscles but also for building bone matrix and for important blood buffering properties.

    Testing first morning urine pH is not meant to determine if a person is alkaline or acidic. It is simply a tool to help monitor a person’s acid/alkaline contribution of food and how their body metabolizes it. If they eat a lot of greens with alkaline salts then urine alkalinity will increase. If they eat lots of meat, cheese, and ice cream, their urine will become more acidic. It isn’t that his or her blood pH is changing but rather by seeing this measurement in living color (pH strips) they are encouraged to eat the things that will provide them with the substrate (minerals, etc.) that their body will need to regulate pH.

    I don’t believe that the acid-ash hypothesis is meant to refute the importance of buffering bicarbonate ions and the roll the kidneys and lungs play in regulating body pH. It only states that acid-ash intake is fundamentally important to health and the development of disease. Unfortunately, kidney dysfunction, even when mild, can reduce the body’s ability to eliminate acid. Any decrease in kidney function or any increase in metabolic acidosis for what ever reason (inflammation, stress, etc.) can have far reaching detrimental effects: elevated blood pressure, insulin resistance, and osteoporosis, to mention just a few. Encouraging a diet high in alkalinizing potassium salts, magnesium and sodium (not sodium chloride) from fruits and vegetables (and when necessary adding supplemental potassium salts) will ensure an effective potassium and sodium-rich bone membrane (another important buffering strategy developed by the body for maintaining normal body pH) as well as other numerous beneficial health effects. I explain this in more depth in my book The Whole-Body Approach to Osteoporosis but I hope this adds a bit to the discussion.

    • Julia says

      Dr. McCormick, I really appreciate your comments as my interest in body pH came from reading your excellent book. Your comments help bridge the gap between what I learned about metabolic acidosis and inflammation in The Whole-Body Approach to Osteoporosis, and what Chris is saying about the acid-alkaline myth.

    • John says

      I think what needs to be pointed out is the fact that we are not talking about blood pH, which is tightly controlled by the body regardless of diet. It is the flesh of the body that we’re talking about, and the buildup of acidic wastes in the fatty tissues. In other words: body pH. They are two separate entities.

      • James says

        The pH of the tissues is also tightly regulated normally by the blood, which exchanges with the tissues all the time if everything is working properly. So acids almost never build up in the tissues. The only two examples of acid build up in tissues I can think of is gout and pseudogout.

        If people really stop and think about it if tissues were really building up with acids then why do some of these tissues develop calcifications? Examples include plaque build up in the arteries, bone spurs, calcifications of brain neurons associated with Alzheimer’s, gallstones and calcium based kidney stones. Calcium is made soluble by acids and precipitates out of solution by alkalinity. Using the same common sense then how is it that this alkaline calcium is contributing to these diseases when the alkalizing supporters keep claiming that acids are the basis of all diseases? Again, people need to start getting their health information from credible sites and start using some COMMON SENSE!!!

        • finndian says

          The key phase in your post is “if everything is working properly”. You are talking a theoretically normal person with no physical problems eating a good diet… not the people that flood sites like this one with various symptoms they are not getting any help with from their doctors. Their doctors received virtually no nutritional training in med school and couldn’t spot a nutritional deficiency if it bit them in the ass. Many of us don’t agree with your generalizations when you use this theoretical ‘normal’ person as the basis to your theories. That ‘normal’ person you base everything on is getting rarer and rarer to come by.

          Magnesium deficiency causes calcification of soft tissues. Magnesium deficiency first causes low potassium and eventually low blood calcium as calcium become more of a toxic substance in the body and gets inappropriately stored in the soft tissues in this acidic milieu the body finds itself in during common magnesium deficiency. Question is are 50% of us magnesium deficient as it is estimated?

          My calcium deposits showed in chest x-rays that startled my doctors… who of course could give me no reason for my prematurely calcified sternum or the spots. Magnesium IVs and oral supplements slowly dissolved almost all the calcium deposits and reversed my acidic system.

          • James says

            Yes, if everything is working properly. There will be times things will go wrong such when someone suffers a trauma or is born with a genetic disorder.

            What you are overlooking though is that disorders in which acids can build up in the body are EXTREMELY rare.

            “Many of us don’t agree with your generalizations ”

            Sorry people on your planet feel that way. But people here on Earth can check the facts in things we call “medical journals” or “anatomy and physiology” texts among other more credible sources of health information.

            “That ‘normal’ person you base everything on is getting rarer and rarer to come by.”

            Depends on how much you wish to stretch your claim. What I was originally addressing was your claim about acids building up in tissues, which again is EXTREMELY rare here on Earth. Again, the only examples I can think of are gout and pseudogout. The blood can become acidic as well in very rare instances such as diabetic ketoacidosis or if you decide to drink some antifreeze. So I don’t see how you can seriously claim that this is a common thing when it rarely ever occurs.

            There is a lot more to the deposition of calcium in parts of the body. Even though magnesium is an antagonist to calcium, regardless of potassium, this does not mean that low magnesium is the cause of calcification. Take for example bone spurs. These have NOTHING to do with magnesium levels. Bone spurs occur from overly tight tendons pulling on bone at the tendon connections. This stimulates the piezoelectric effect of bone causing the electrodeposition of calcium at those connection points.

            As for your question there would be no way to prove one way or the other if 50% of the population is magnesium deficient. Being though how much magnesium people get from different sources such as supplements, greens, chocolate, etc. I would seriously doubt that claim.

            The biggest problem to your last claim is that once again, acidity of the blood and especially acid build up in the tissues are extremely rare. And I doubt if you were diagnosed as having “premature” calcification of the sternum being that some calcification of the costal cartilage is common by the age of 20. in addition as I pointed out previously calcium deposits in an ALKALINE environment and is made soluble by an acid environment. Therefore, if your tissues were really acidic as you claim then you would not have had precipitation of calcium in the tissues to begin with.

  36. Edith says

    Ian Blair Hamilton above, discusses cancer as a metabolic disease – Dr. Tom Seyfried can also be heard on video presenting at a symposium of the Ancestral Health Society :
    http://www.ancestryfoundation.org
    (No doubt many on this site are aware of these talks, but I think it is worth mentioning).
    The society has 95 informative and thought provokong videos viewable on both Vimeo and You Tube.

  37. Jac says

    Wow. Perfect timing. I was just wondering about this and thinking I would have to read that book!! What about the PH of saliva? What influences that? My dentist told me that I have acidic saliva and that it is affecting my teeth in less than savory way.

    • Julia says

      Acidic saliva will leach calcium from your teeth, while a more alkaline saliva encourages tooth remineralization. You can directly alkalize your mouth by brushing with baking soda toothpaste and rinsing with baking soda after meals (1 tsp/1 cup water). Test the pH of your toothpaste and mouth rinses and choose those that are alkaline. Almost all mouth rinses and non baking soda toothpastes are on the acidic side. You can also test your morning saliva with pH strips to see if your diet plays a role. Personally, the more potassium I eat, the more alkaline my saliva. Even if this doesn’t reflect my body’s pH, it shows that my mouth is more alkaline, encouraging tooth remineralization.

      • Dennis says

        Thank you. I do make my own “toothpaste” of baking soda, coconut oil and an essential oil of peppermint and / or wintergreen. I just never thought of rinsing with baking soda after meals.

    • says

      Jac
      Bacteria in your mouth is directly related to bacteria in your gut. Fixing your gut will fix your mouth bacteria. bacteria in the mouth, being lil’ oxidizing powerhouses will always affect the ph of your saliva. Other factors we have see in testing is that something as simple as thinking about your fave dessert will change the ph of the mouth saliva.

      We now recommend saliva testing for pH even less than urine testing, and as stated previously, rely on ketone meter to evaluate our success or failure to convert from an acidic inner environment to a normal paleo one.

    • says

      Saliva is alkaline, not acidic. Although studies have shown that the thought of certain foods can change salivary pH the pH still remains alkaline. The alkalinity helps to neutralize the acids formed by bacteria in the mouth. Excessive levels of these acid forming bacteria or dry mouth can lead to increased acidity in the mouth.

  38. Manuel says

    According to the wikipedia:
    Diets containing high amounts of animal products, animal protein, processed foods, and other foods that induce and sustain increased acidity of body fluid may contribute to the development of osteoporosis and renal stones, loss of muscle mass, and age-related renal insufficiency due to the body’s use of calcium to buffer pH.[175][176]
    at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet

    References:
    ^ Remer, T.; Manz, F. (1995). “Potential Renal Acid Load of Foods and its Influence on Urine pH”. Journal of the American Dietetic Association 95 (7): 791–797. doi:10.1016/S0002-8223(95)00219-7. PMID 7797810. edit
    ^ Uriel S. Barzel and Linda K. Massey (1998). “Excess Dietary Protein Can Adversely Affect Bone”. The Journal of Nutrition 128 (6): 1051–1053.

    • says

      Yes, Manuel, and many other studies say the same.. but the salient point in the study i referred to and in my experience is the AMOUNT of meat you consume. Excess of anything is a problem but excess of meat is a serious acidifier, BUT absence of meat, as this thread has pointed out, may well be a recipe for longterm osteo – talking from experience of 14 years of vegetarian, now paleo.

      • Manuel says

        Thanks, Edith, and Ian for your comments.

        Ian your previous comment was clariying. For me it is a bit confussing, as different authors, which I respect, say contradictory things, with arguments that seem to make much sense. So, it is hard to believe who is right, and who is not.

        I want to ask something, what would be a right amount of protein animal? What would be an excess, and waht would be too low ?

        At this article: http://chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-perfect-health-2-nourish-your-body Chris mentions something about the amount of fat, and about the amount of carbs, but he deones’t say anything about which amount of proteins would be healthy. So what would be too low, and what would be too high ?

        Thanks

        • Ian Blair Hamilton says

          Manuel, I’d heartily recommend The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living which will answer that question far more expertly than I. a great read!

  39. Edith says

    Hi Manuel, your first reference from Wikpedia dates from 1995, the second from 1998. Below the Barzel and Massey article is a list of studies (from 1998 – 2011) citing their article.
    I checked out these references and found that several more recent studies run completely counter to the earlier articles.

    Dietary Protein: An Essential Nutrient For Bone Health J. Am. Coll. Nutr. 2005 24: 526S-536S
    http://www.jacn.org/content/24/suppl_6/526S.full

    Dietary protein and bone: a new approach to an old question Am J Clin Nutr 2009 90: 1451-1452
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/6/1451.full
    ( This study in fact provides support for Chris’ argument ).

    Wikipedia, it seems, is rather out-of-date !

  40. James says

    Chris, is there any link between migraine and akalinity?

    The reason I ask is I occasionally suffer a migraine in my right eye, which lasts about 30-minutes, and causes like a shimmering/zigzagging effect in my eye. I can tell it’s coming on before the zigzags appear as I can’t quite focus/read text properly.

    I recently had some dental work done where calcium hydroxide was used to solve a root canal infection. Tn he calcium hydroxide was left in the root canal for 2 weeks and in that time I had the “migraine eye” every single day. Normally I’d get it once every 2-3 months! When the calcium hydroxide was removed, and the tooth filled, the migraines went to every other day, then every 3, then stopped altogether.

    Recently I’ve been using Apple Cider Vinegar to try and improve dishydrotic eczema on my hands. I think that has an alkanising effect, even though it’s acidic? I’ve had the migraine eye a couple of times since too.

    Is there a link? From n=1 it seems there is, but I can’t explain it.

    • BillP says

      Those are called ‘scintillating scotomas’. I get them once every few months, but have never had the follow-up migraine, and have been unable to relate them to any food I’ve consumed.

    • Finndian says

      Calcium lowers magnesium levels. Magnesium deficiency can cause migraine. Perhaps you need a high quality magnesium like magnesium glycinate to bring levels up.

    • Ian Blair Hamilton says

      james, as a vendor of alkaline water systems for the last 13 years i can say I have seen results for migraine.

    • says

      Different James here.

      Migraines result from an initial strong constriction of the blood vessels around the brain followed by rebound vasodilation leading to inflammation of the tissues. Alkalizers can cause the blood vessel constriction that precedes headaches.

      To understand this easier consider what happens during hyperventilation. The excess blowing off of carbon dioxide leads to an alkaline effect that causes the brain’s blood vessels to contract causing a decreased blood flow to the brain and we pass out. When we pass out our respiration ceases or decreases temporarily to build back up carbonic acid levels restoring blood flow to the brain.

      So not only can alkalizers lead to migraines, but so can excess calcium, which is a muscle contractor. Being that blood vessels are muscles they can also be contracted by calcium. Magnesium salts are used to treat migraines because magnesium relaxes the blood vessels by antagonizing calcium.

  41. Jeni says

    While it’s great to find this information in this article it only confuses me as I thought the PH level in the urine came from the gut not the blood. I thought it was foods like wheat ect that also caused a higher acid level. I know some people who test their saliva and that is related to the digestive system not the blood. The reports I have read say that a high acid level causes such disease as cancer and we all want to avoid that but are we trying to stay alkaline for no reason?
    I would love to hear your thoughts on that as I don’t see that addressed above.

    • says

      Acids do not cause cancer, nor most diseases.

      And salivary, nor urinary pH reflect blood pH. The only way to determine blood pH is with a blood test.

      Urinary pH is affected by factors such as the dumping of hydrogen ions from the blood in to the urine and by urinary tract infections as the bacteria use urease to split ammonia compounds in urine in to ammonia, which alkalizes the urine to help the bacteria to survive.

  42. JoshDPT says

    Nobody had ever successfully convinced me food raises or lowers blood pH. Mr. Kresser is correct that kidneys do effect Blood pH (metabolic acidosis and alkalosis), but also breathing patterns such as hyperventilation causes respiratory acidosis and hypoventilation causes respiratory alkalosis.

    • says

      Other way around.

      Hyperventilation leads to respiratory alkalosis from blowing off excess carbon dioxide, which in turn lowers carbonic acid levels leading to alkalosis.

      Hypoventilation leads to a build up of carbonic acid due to decreased carbon dioxide-oxygen exchange. Therefore leading to acidosis.

    • Gerald says

      Re: JoshDPT; JUNE 26, 2013 AT 6:05 AM

      Nobody had ever successfully convinced me food raises or lowers blood pH. Mr. Kresser is correct that kidneys do effect Blood pH (metabolic acidosis and alkalosis),

      Josh we were not drinking methanol or polyglycol BUT inhaling it in Pulp Mill emissions My Metabolic (Lactic) acidosis progressed to where i suffered MELAS after eating a yogurt
      I cut out all dairy Within weeks I was off my puffers and my Fibromyalgia grew wings Apparently Lactic acid can irritate the delicate air sacs in the lungs No MD ever suggested this In fact he told me to go see a psychiatrist So back to FinnDian’s comment or as professor of Bio-Chemistry & Metabolism stating it is disgusting how little is taught to MD’s in Canada As is negligible Occupational Disease & Toxicology 1 1/2 years later i tried goat dairy products with NO complications But a slight amount of cow dairy by accident & MELAS onsets quickly

      • James says

        The metabolism pathway for methanol is: methanol –>formaldehyde –> formic acid –> water and carbon dioxide.

        Lactic acid is not a byproduct of methanol metabolism.

  43. Barry says

    I enjoy many of your posts. Not because I always think you are right but because you challenge commonly-held beliefs. In fact, I would suppose in many situation you are probably just as wrong as prevailing ideology. The reality is we just don’t know almost anything about the human experience. The pH hypothesis may or may not be valid. If it is, it’s likely valid for reasons neither you nor I understand. We assume well too much about correlation and observation in the medical community and as it pertains to the human experience. Albert Einstein mocked observational science. And if one truly understands science, one appreciates why. And it also explains why so much of prevailing medical science is junk science. Much more than is acknowledged. And why your challenge to why beliefs are equally invalid.

    If you or anyone else really understood the human experience, be that the body, mind or the mind-body connection, you would be able to predict outcomes rather than observe them. You cannot. I cannot. Modern medicine cannot. The number of understood and not understood factors affecting the human experience are boggling. At any moment, there are millions of processes that we know about going on within the human body. And millions of processes external to the human body that are also impacting the mind, the body and the mind-body connection.

    Certainly pH is controversial. Nothing here disproves or proves anything. Humans used to eat massive amounts of meat. Some still do. The ketogenic diet has tremendous benefits in certain situations. But humans also lived a very short period of time in our past when we ate copious amounts of meat. And they ate different meat that we have been eating for the last 50 years.

  44. Jo says

    CK says in this blog that “Some studies found that supplementing with potassium salts (intended to neutralize excess acid) had beneficial effects on markers for bone health, which would tend to support the acid-ash hypothesis. However, these results were only observed in the first few weeks of supplementation, and long-term trials did not find any benefit to bone health from these alkalizing salts.”

    But the study at http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/early/2012/11/14/jc.2012-3099.abstract (Jehle, S., Henry N. Hulter, Reto Krapf. 2012. Effect of potassium citrate on bone density, microarchitecture, and fracture risk in healthy older adults without osteoporosis: A randomized controlled trial. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, doi: 10.1210/jc.2012-3099.) lasted 24 months and did indicate that an alkalizing diet would be beneficial for bone health.

  45. says

    I think stomach acidity (or rather, lack of) has more to do with bone loss than an acidic diet. this would explain why high protein diets support bone health in that, it takes healthy HCL levels in the stomach to properly breakdown protein……thus the protein in the diet supports healthy stomach acidity. But everything in moderation…after a time I imagine that too much protein will stress out the body, namely the kidneys and may cause other problems.

  46. Eddie says

    I am interested in studies showing whether an Alkalizing diet’s positive impact could come from the fact it’s FREEING your kidneys from having to work so hard to maintain blood Ph. There has to be a benefit to sparing your organs from work that wouldn’t need be done IF you were eating properly, right? No study I’ve came across ever discussed this point.

    • John Carraway says

      Doctors have been using baking soda for years to protect the kidneys, etc from acid-overload during detoxing and for recuperation. The acid/alkaline balance controls the body’s ability to function efficiently. Acidity (positive ions) must be balanced with alkalinity (negative ions) in order to maintain health.

  47. Christine says

    Whatever you read regarding health , diet etc basically it all comes back to a very simple rule . For good health eat natural foods , stay away from anything that has been processed . Nothing more complicated than that .

  48. Terra Brunton says

    As a Respiratory Therapist I have taught my patients for years that a diet high in carbohydrates increases blood CO2 levels. This decreases blood pH. Increasing respiration helps to blow off the CO2 and balance blood pH. . The kidney also produce HCO3(bicarb) which can balance pH as well. Most people don’t notice this affect, but people with severe lung disease sure do.

    This is an example of how diet can directly lower blood pH.

    • Terra Brunton says

      Eddie, you touch on an important point. My thoughts are that creating an alkaline environment in the kidney would help support them as they buffer blood CO2. It certainly couldn’t hurt.

    • Brian says

      Great point Terra!!! You are so spot on. The bicarb that is pulled in balances the pH but if we just consume highly acidic foods like sugars we are going to eventually run out of bicarb until our body withers away. We either support the intelligent design of our bodies or work against it.

      • John Carraway says

        You’ve hit the nail on the head. These people think that the body can continually neutralize acids without consuming alkaline foods. There is no other source but alkaline foods to replenish the body’s reserves. Following an Atkins diet and drinking smoothies with all the needed supplements will support a healthy body pH.

        • James says

          John Carraway: “These people think that the body can continually neutralize acids without consuming alkaline foods.”

          Most acid is the body is not neutralized. Most pH balance is maintained by respiration, which reduces carbonic acid to the normal levels, leaving sufficient carbonic acid the body needs to function properly. The second primary means the body uses to reduce excess acids in the body is through dumping hydrogen ions through the kidneys, which does not require alkaline minerals either.

          Neutralization of acids is primarily carried out through sodium bicarbonate, produced from sodium chloride found in many sources including meats and junk foods, and with carbonic acid produced continually by the body.

          John Carraway: “Following an Atkins diet and drinking smoothies with all the needed supplements will support a healthy body pH.”

          The Atkins diet is high in animal proteins and his highly processed food products that contain a lot of garbage such as dangerous artificial sweeteners. How is that healthy or alkaline?

        • Gerald says

          Re: JoshDPT; JUNE 26, 2013 AT 6:05 AM

          Nobody had ever successfully convinced me food raises or lowers blood pH. Mr. Kresser is correct that kidneys do effect Blood pH (metabolic acidosis and alkalosis),

          Josh we were not drinking methanol or polyglycol, BUT inhaling it in Pulp Mill emissions. My Lactic acidosis progressed to Type D

        • Gerald says

          John Carraway JAN 29, 2014 AT 8:56 PM

          You’ve hit the nail on the head. These people think that the body can continually neutralize acids without consuming alkaline foods. There is no other source but alkaline foods to replenish the body’s reserves. Following an Atkins diet …

          John a Co-worker commented who was in the same exposure of Pulp Mill emissions that he lost weight with the Atkins Diet I straight up asked him Did your pain levels drop He answered Yes because excessive carb intake will convert to Lactic acid (anaerobic glycolosis) when you have suffered Hypoxia His body felt like a piece of lead as mine also did

  49. says

    Since making a conscious efforts to buy more alkaline and less acidic foods, I have noticed that I feel better in general. When I drink a 20 oz Coca Cola it tastes great, but as I drink the whole thing, I definitely feel worse physically, kind of a weird tired gross kind of feeling. When I drink water with fresh squeezed lime or coconut milk, I feel much better. Not because I feel good about myself or anything like that for making a “healthy” choice. I literally can feel how food makes me feel and the alkaline food scale is accurate in terms of how food makes me feel. Here’s an interesting note: peanuts are plant based food but they are quite acidic, I never knew that until recently, so I switched to almond butter instead of peanut butter, and just exactly how I used to feel kind of gross after eating a lot of peanut butter, with almond butter, the feeling is much less severe. Sounds crazy maybe to some, but I’m pretty in touch with my body. I won’t argue any nuances in the facts regarding blood pH being auto-regulated without regard to food, but I think there’s still something very valid about the alkaline diet approach, regardless of all the idiosyncracies.

    • says

      Same here. When I changed my diet, I could feel the difference and its not placebo. Within a few days my skin literally had a glow to it. I wish people could stop fighting about who’s right and showing all the evidence they collected to prove their point. Try to get along with everyone, even when the disagree on certain stuff, and for those that truly are interested in changing their diet, do so and see and feel the evidence for yourself. Once you do, you won’t need a scientists experiment to prove anything.

      I also think that lots of people are making a fortune on selling products for us trying to improve our lifestyle. Although Almond butter is alkaline and peanut butter acidic, I could never afford it as its 4 times the price of peanut butter. Unless I sprout some almonds then plant my own tree with the sprouts which is the way the world is going eventually.

  50. says

    It could be one’s blood type that influences the type of ash left. Maybe Type O blood types need more phosphorus and sulfur in their diets from the acid ash; and maybe Type A blood types need more of the alkaline ash provided from calcium, magnesium and potassium.

    It is a strong statement that one needs to look not only at what foods a person eats, but also their blood type, life history and environment to help us understand more about how different people react to foods and why.

  51. Thomas Arnold says

    There is a ton of supportive research by many DOCTORS but one in particular has been researching and practicing for about as long as Mr. Kresser has been alive. Dr. Lindsey Duncan has 30+ years of actual experience and over 40,000 clinical hours under his belt. Look him up, enlighten yourself.

  52. Lisa says

    You are completely in opposition with what Tony Robbins said at the Unleash the Power Within seminar I just got back from. (BTW, most life changing, amazing experience I’ve ever had.) I think I will take the word of a man who jumps and hollers on stage for 15 hours at a time without even as much as a sip of water over you. Not only that, much of what you say spits in the face of just common sense. Food intake has no affect on pH? Really? Yeah I think I will be listening to Tony on this one. :)

  53. Tim says

    Hi Chris. As you mentioned there are tons of websites, articles and even a few studies that support notion of pH effecting the cell’s ability to absorb nutrient, we even see this in gardening, but I completely understand what you’re saying about the minimal effect these diets would have due to our body’s natural regulation of this. However, one thing I have been wondering is, any time you have a “regulator,” the external environment is what causes stress on the that system by forcing it to maintain regularity. Think of this like an Air Conditioning that is set at 70 degrees. If we are constantly running heat generating products, the AC will be forced to work much harder and this Stress on the AC causes it to break down quicker. Is it possible, that it is not the Acidic diets we eat directly, but the Stress that these diets cause on our bodies to regulate them that could be causing these issue? Thanks.

  54. says

    Here is a link so we all understand what Tony Robbins point of view is.
    Tony Robbins on ALKALINITY Weight Loss and Energy

    It may also help to read this
    Acid-base balance may influence risk for insulin resistance syndrome by modulating cortisol output.”

    We have got to be careful to avoid the chicken/egg which came first debate.

    If all the interventions we suggest to improve health also make improve our ability to resolve excess acidity wouldn’t it be more honest to accept that the acid balance question needs resolving?

    Mark Sisson is another fence sitter who cannot face up to the truth
    No doubt the penny will drop eventually.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      I’m a Mark Sisson fan, so I went to read the article you linked here. You certainly haven’t represented his position honestly. The following is the conclusion of the segment he wrote. It should be noted that he isn’t commenting on the theory in general, but rather on a particular study that claimed to find a correlation between acidic diets and diabetes– specifically that there were significant confounders that could not be accounted for.

      “So, is it the acid load causing (or preventing) the diabetes? Or is the acid load merely a representation of the diet which in turn causes (or prevents) the diabetes? Heck, it may even be that the diabetes is causing kidney disease, which in turn leads to acidosis. We don’t know for sure from this study. As the authors write in the discussion section, “this is the first prospective study to evaluate the risk of type 2 diabetes associated with scores reflecting the acid load of the diet.” What we do know is that many aspects of the overall dietary pattern of the high-acid quartile, like low magnesium, potassium, coffee, and produce intake, are consistently linked to type 2 diabetes across multiple studies. For now, that seems to be where the strongest evidence lies.”

      I don’t see any fence-sitting. I see an intelligent individual who is wise enough to determine what a study can actually tell us, and more importantly, what it can’t.

      • James says

        This is a good example of why I get so irritated with Edward Hutchison. It appears he just posts whatever he can find that sounds like it will back his point of view. In my opinion though he must not be reading these studies or understanding them and does not understand how the body really works. I feel this is why he keeps refusing to quote the parts of the studies he posts that he thinks backs his position. Instead he just posts a bunch of studies that have words in the title that sound like they will back his position and hopes that people will not read the studies. Even if they do the person will not know what in the study he thinks backs his position.

        For example, he posted a study:

        Acid-base balance may influence risk for insulin resistance syndrome by modulating cortisol output.”

        Does the study show anywhere that a diet can really influence blood pH? Not that I could find. They do mention lower potassium being a possible factor. But does potassium help with blood sugar by alkalizing? Not at all. Instead it is essential for proper insulin sensitizing of cells.

        And they talk a lot about visceral fat production due to cortisol release. Does Hutchison even realize that cortisol can be released without having anything to do with diet? Just think about something stressful and your cortisol levels will go up. If your blood sugar drops cortisol will be released. In pain? Cortisol will be released. Smoke a cigarette and your cortisol levels will go up………… So how did the researchers differentiate between cortisol rises from diet and the various other factors that can lead to a cortisol rise? Answer, they didn’t!!!

        Other things can also increase body fat such as estrogen and progesterone. Did the researchers take the body fat production from hormones in to account? Not at all.

        Bottom line is that the research paper is highly flawed and does not back his claims.

        Again, this is why if people are going to post research studies to try and back their claims they should actually read and understand those studies first.

    • John Carraway says

      It’s all based upon negative ions (minerals and antioxidants), which is the source of alkalinity. James and the Huntress seem to think that the body has an unlimited supply of alkaline minerals and antioxidants, and that an acidic diet has no effect upon the body’s ability to maintain homeostasis. The truth is that when alkaline reserves are depleted, the body begins to deteriorate. See drsircus.com and captrandall.com.

      • Paleo Huntress says

        James is the expert, not me. And I mean that, he is that ACTUAL, in-the-lab, pH expert. Your comments here are meaningless next to his.

        Where are all of those deteriorating meat-based cultures? What aren’t they dropping like flies with such an acidic diet? ~boggles~

      • James says

        First of all minerals and antioxidants are not negative ions.

        And antioxidants do not necessarily produce alkalinity. For example, ascorbic acid is an antioxidant as is tannic acid. On the other hand, alkaline substances such as calcium hydroxide are strong radicals.

        It is virtually impossible to deplete your alkaline reserves. To start with the body’s main means of pH regulation is respiration. So it is pretty hard to develop acidosis as long as you are still breathing, which is why acidosis is so rare. And how much salt does the average American consume. Guess what sodium chloride is used to produce in the body. Stomach acid as well as alkaline sodium bicarbonate. Acidity can also be reduced by other means such as protein binding or lactate formation.

        Alkalosis is actually considered much more dangerous than acidosis since the body has less in its arsenal to deal with alkalosis.

  55. Brian says

    You clearly only partially understand the way in which the body maintains it’s alkaline design. You are correct in saying that the blood pH is strictly regulated by the body it’s a life or death mechanism. Yes the Kidneys and other systems maintain this homeostasis when you consume acidic foods but you clearly lack understanding on how this wears down over time on the overall design and systems of the body. If you continue to eat acidic foods and drinks without a foundation of living alkaline forming ones, even though your body will compensate and blood will pull in bicarbonate, lungs will respire CO2, etc, over time this wears down on the entire biochemistry of the body. This is why eventually your bones will wear down. I have many testimonials of women who have reversed osteoporosis and osteopoenia following this lifestyle. What you are lacking understanding of is that the body is not a separate system but a connected system, it’s a holistic system. You should have a conversation with Robert Young on this he would run circles around you in a debate and has clear formulas to prove it. And years of research many people have healed cancer by supporting the alkaline design of their body instead of working against it. Over time acids are thrown into the lymphatic and other systems and fatty tissues around organs and this is what gives rise to Cancer. Yes the body must maintain it’s design but overtime if we don’t support it we will detereorate.

    • says

      “You should have a conversation with Robert Young on this he would run circles around you in a debate and has clear formulas to prove it.”

      For those who don’t know, Robert Young is the author of ‘The pH Miracle.’ For your enjoyment and edification, here’s a direct quote from the book:

      “Conventional medical thinking is that the stomach should be acidic, which a pH of 1.5 to 3.0, but a healthy pH when food is present is at least 7.2, moving as high as 8.4 as the sodium bicarbonate is released from the stomach lining.
      But for every molecule of that heavy-duty alkalizing sodium bicarbonate substance produced, hydrochloric acid (HCl) is also produced, as a waste product. HCl destroys the electron potential of food. But the HCl never comes into contact – or should never come into contact – with the food or liquids you eat. The sodium bicarbonate rises to the surface of the stomach to meet incoming food and drink and alkalize it, but the HCl falls into the gastric pits of the stomach, away from the food.”

      …wut? I honestly don’t even know how to respond to that, but I may or may not have burst out laughing after reading it.

      • Brian says

        At least you’re honest in saying you don’t know how to respond. If you knew how to you would. Are you saying that conventional medical thinking is always correct? If you do then you’re not informed because plenty has been proven wrong over time. Just because a nutrition textbook says something doesn’t mean we cannot question it especially if we have reason to think otherwise. There is a growing body of research that is understanding how the body maintain’s it’s alkaline design I and many others do propose that mainstream science is incorrect in it’s understanding of digestion. It’s all about having the discussion. It’s important to not act like one knows everything because the fact is nobody does there are always new areas to discover in science. There has been research to indicate an alkaline component in the digestive process. Even in the stomach, the layer just outside the epithelium is quite basic. The question is whether or not the bicarb is the byproduct of the hydrochloric acid or vice versa. Regardless, the entire biochemistry of the body is set up to support an alkaline pH in the blood and this is it’s homeostasis. Even if there is a mechanism of acid in the stomach to kill bacteria/viruses like conventional wisdom proposes, the food still must become alkaline before it goes into the small intestine and that bicarb must be produced to counteract the acid otherwise it would burn a hold in our stomach. There is also research to suggest that decreased gastric lining secretion of bicarbonates may play a significant role in duodenal ulcers. The Pancreas also aids in this process of alkalizing, it secretes bicarb before it goes into the crypts of the small intestine. It’s true that overall the human body has an amazing ability to maintain a steady pH in the blood with the main compensatory mechanisms being renal and respiratory. What most people don’t understand especially conventional medicine is how all the systems work together to do this and how the body is depleted of the sodium biarb, potassium bicarb and other alkalizing minerals including calcium in that process. Despite so much advances in science and technology, there is still so much that is not known by mainstream medical science. I’m all for the discussion. I just think it’s important to bring up this information/

        • says

          I definitely don’t believe conventional medical thinking is always correct, but on the whole I believe that our current understanding of human physiology (including digestion) is pretty advanced and generally trustworthy (or at least more trustworthy than conventional understanding of nutrition). We’re nowhere near knowing everything about how the human body works, but I would definitely need to see some convincing evidence to believe what Robert Young claims in that passage I posted, because it sounds completely and utterly ridiculous (which is why it made me laugh).

          You’re correct in saying that the stomach mucosa is protected by alkaline mucus, and that the acidic chyme must be neutralized once it leaves the stomach, but that’s not what Young was claiming. HCl is certainly not a waste product – it IS vital for defending against pathogens (like you mentioned), as well as activating the protein-digesting enzyme pepsin, and converting dietary iron into an absorbable form. This is why the use of proton-pump inhibitors often has such harmful effects on people’s health – because stomach acid is, believe it or not, a crucial component of the digestive process. This is also why HCl is often an extremely therapeutic supplement; when people don’t have enough of it, they suffer consequences.

          And honestly, his last two sentences in that passage are just complete nonsense. I mean, “the HCl never comes into contact – or should never come into contact – with the food or liquids you eat”? What? The stomach thoroughly churns its contents after you eat, ensuring that essentially every molecule of food comes into contact with HCl. And “the sodium bicarbonate rises to the surface of the stomach to meet incoming food and drink and alkalize it”? Where did he even come up with that?

          I agree with you – I’m all for discussion – but with claims like these, I would need to see some serious proof. (His book conveniently contains no endnotes).

    • Dennis says

      I’ll make my first comment, supporting what you say.

      As I have been teaching health and natural healing for 40+ years, will seriously read what you are saying here as opposed to what James has been saying.

      Fair warning to everyone. I plan to comment on the truth about meat eating with plenty of evidence to back me up.
      [hint] I have not eaten any dead animals in 42 years.

  56. Brian says

    Awesome. I appreciate your open-mindedness and spirit of true discussion. I realize that the concept of the stomach as an organ of alkalinity versus acidity is out there and not accepted by any mainstream science. I agree that is a theory and I’m not even here to argue that point although I do agree that Robert Young has done very important work in this area and overall understands the biochemistry of the body far more than most health professionals. I would love for this discussion to happen on a panel with these various people because there are important formulas not being talked about at all here in this chemistry. I’m not a biochemist so I won’t go there but let’s say even if the Stomach is mostly acidic like most believe. I agree that it could be so as some functions of the body are acidic in order to achieve a goal let’s say kill pathogens, break down certain foods, etc. I also agree that the hydrochloric acid has a function and it doesn’t make sense to use a drug to shut down this component. It also depends on what one eats that affects the stomach pH. It’s just a fact of biochemistry that at some point there must be an alkalizing process because the body is in general slightly alkaline by design. This is why the lining has the alkaline component, it has to be in order to protect the body. The acid provides a process but the food has to be as alkaline as possible before it goes into the small intestine and affects the blood, this is why the pancreas also secretes bicarb and other glands and systems do too throughout the body. The saliva also secretes a bicarb to combat the effects of acids in our food and this is clearly proven by monitoring saliva pH. The blood has to maintain, as a matter of homeostasis, a slightly alkaline pH. The blood is about 7.365 and is tightly regulated. The tissues also are ideally alkaline as well but the blood is most critical for life and death. If this blood pH varies to a point positive or negative we die. I would never argue that. Chris here is agreeing with that. Yes it is a life or death mechanism and the body will maintain this as best it can no matter what kind of foods that we eat until we die. What I, and many are proposing is that Chris and others are ignoring the degree to which the body will go to maintain this slightly alkaline pH and how the systems individually and as a whole work together to maintain it and are affected over time. Acids pool in various parts of our bodies in the fatty tissues, lymphatic and around organs. That’s a fact and has been medically documented (Fatty tissue samples). If there is only so much mineral in our body at some point we die if we don’t have enough. Many if not most diseases have a related mineral deficiency. When we consume healthy alkaline forming foods that are naturally high in these minerals, this supports the body and helps to build our mineral reserves. Those minerals are not destroyed by the stomach acid and help to build our overall body. The human body is not a completely closed system it’s interdependent and the way in which it wears down over time is often caused through lifestyle and that is going to work against our design. Let’s say one eats a mostly acidic diet, for example what most people ate during this past Thanksgiving holiday Mostly over-ate unclean processed pasteurized animal products, processed foods, sugars and other acidic choices like alcohol, pies etc. What happens in the body? This is basically an overload of acid and while the stomach is acid, if it has to create more acid at some point to deal with toxic food this must be balanced by alkaline salt at some point to neutralize the acid from burning our small intestine. The process regardless takes a lot of biological energy and some people seem to not understand how this wears down our body including depleting our alkaline minerals. This is why a green juice for example is the opposite and gives energy to your body versus take it away, and you can feel the difference in your stomach versus eating a piece of pie or something like that. When you eat the pie and too much crap you burp up acid. I’m not saying green juice is the only alkaline food but it is clearly one of them. This is why we feel the way we do when we pig out on Thanksgiving, our body basically shuts down to pull in the resources to neutralize the effect of what we have done, and help transform as much of the usable food into the blood stream. A lot of alkaline salts are used in that transformation that happens before the food enters the crypts of the small intestine. We wouldn’t want hydrochloric acid going in there. It’s not just the Tryptophan in Turkey like people say, yes that can affect it but all the sugars and other stuff which create acid byproducts and put people into a food coma. Even my vegetarian friends have this effect so I know it’s not just the Turkey. Over time this acidic lifestyle wears down on the body and its systems. A lot of acid, mostly yeast, toxins, etc. get pushed off by the lymphatic system into the fatty tissues and also affect organ systems, etc. Because the blood has to maintain the pH it will pull in whatever alkalinity it can to maintain it and the acids start to saturate the body and creates cancer and other dis-eases. This is what they call acidosis. Yes the blood is alkaline but the body is becoming saturated in acids and will break down the body. On the flip side when you eat living foods, lots of greens, green juices, sprouts, fresh living organic foods, and clean animal products in balance of having mostly alkaline fruits and veggies, your body does not have to go through a hard process in digesting that because it is alkaline by design. It has all the minerals and components in it to support the body, less acid is needed for digestion. I understand there are different opinions. I don’t expect anyone to agree I just believe it because I’ve seen it play out and I do know many of these people who have healed using this approach and I feel this information is important to share. Thanks and looking forward to more discussion.

  57. says

    I’ve come to see that clinical trials mean nothing as years ago they said smoking is not a health risk and doctors even promoted cigarettes to runners claiming that it helps.

    There is truth to both sides of every story though. Lots of people will take this article and eat even worse then they did before, then become even more sickly. The problem is that people in general are very unhappy (mostly because they are chasing what Hollywood and TV commercials promotes as a happy lifestyle) and food is 1 of those things that can take you out of that unhappy state quickly. The problem is that we feel worse after we ate the wrong thing, mentally and physically, so we turn back to food for a fix and the cycle continues.

    We should stop looking for the next best clinical trial or study, proving why we don’t have to take responsibility for ourselves.

    Celebrities are nothing more than a walking billboards to advertising firms so don’t fall for that hype either. You can Google anything and find actual supporting evidence why something is true, then Google it again and find evidence why it is false.

    In terms of Acid/Alkaline diet for me “PERSONALLY”, When I switched my diet and removed most cooked food, meat and dairy, my body looked and felt different within a very short time (roughly less then a week I could feel and see a huge difference). I had WAY more energy. The problem was that gradually over the course of a year I went back to old eating habits and got all my ailments back. I made the switch too drastically without really studying anything and I just couldn’t keep it for good, but at least not even a doctor can tell me different now because I went through it personally.

    For those that are really interested, please Google or Youtube, “Anthony Robbins – acid/alkaline”, also “Fat, Sick and nearly dead” and also ” Heal yourself 101 – Markus Rothkrans”. These guys aren’t selling anything but take you along on their journey, even with doctors. There are way more videos out there of people filming themselves drastically changing their lives. In eons, nature hasn’t changed a thing in the way it works because its perfect as is. It is us that took the apple off the tree and added more sugar to it (why?), baked it to death(why?) and added more sugar coatings to it. Why, so we can make each other dependant on certain foods and make a profit. It always comes down to money in the end. The only way to really be healthy is too eat what nature intended us to eat….ditch that Vitamin-C pill and rather eat an orange, 1 that grows naturally and isn’t genetically engineered to fight of pests. These things evolve to withstand natural disasters and that makes the weak die and what’s left are the ones we eat. Factory farming, engineering and writing articles to support these profit organisations all lead to following a very poor quality of life.

    What is the core purpose of this article? To try and prove a point and be right, or tell people not to care about acid/alkaline food? If its the latter then it has achieved its purpose to the detriment of millions.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      Warren,

      I interpret the purpose of this article is to dispel a potentially dangerous myth. Removing nutrient-dense animal foods from your diet on the misplaced belief that they’re causing detriment based on this myth is a fool’s errand. Chris’ blog is all about eating a whole food diet and he certainly isn’t encouraging people to eat fewer whole foods or fresh veggies, so get off your high horse and quit bashing someone for telling the truth. People don’t need to be lied to to do what’s right for themselves. You’d have to be an idiot to come away from this article believing you’ve just been told that eating highly processed junk-food is being recommended or is healthy. Feel free to extrapolate what that says about you.

      Huntress

  58. says

    I have a Facebook page for holistic help for dogs with mast cell cancer. One of my members posted your article, so I wanted to respond here and on my site. My diet which is high in alkalizing foods and lysine has shown empirically that dogs are living longer lives on Cleo’s Diet, which is an alteration of the Budwig Diet. I have had the website for over 6 years – my Cleo was giving 6 months to live with Grade II MCT and she lived another 6 years on top of that with energy and vitality – a Weimaraner, passing at 11.5 years of age. The alkalizing diet did not cure her cancer, as she was very progressed, but I do believe it slowed it down and she lived longer because of it. I saw her numerous tumors disappear on her body, her breathing return to normal – I am not the only one who had success – you can ask many of my 568 members about their experiences, even with lymphoma and leukemia, using Cleo’s Diet which consists of grain free EVO, ( 2:1 ratio of protein to carbs), cottage cheese, and fish oil. I don’t sell anything – I just pass my experience on to others so they can make informed decisions to forego chemo, if they choose.

    Here is my comment to your page:
    Correct, that you cannot change the blood pH for any length of time – it adjusts back to normal levels really quickly to achieve homeostasis. I should have been using the word “buffering” instead of alkalizing – I tend to use them interchangeably and that was my mistake. The first Moffitt paper uses the word alkalizing, but Dr. Gilles changed the word to buffering to avoid the blood pH confusion – it’s actually body pH change. Lysine is absorbed by our cells – also in the areas where the tumors are located. If there is lysine present in the area, it will buffer the acid coming from the tumor cells. When cancer is present, it does change the BODY’s pH and this can’t really be measured in the blood, but in the body fluids, such as saliva and urine. Does this help?
    No, I don’t believe an acid-forming diet is the cause of canine cancer either. I do believe it is an inflammation issue. When dogs are given continually food that causes an allergic response, the body is always in immune response mode. This overloads and exhausts the immune system. With this overload comes the development of cancer. There are numerous publications that inflammation and overactive immune response is a leading cancer cause. I still believe that adding alkalizing foods works – I’ve seen it raise body pH in saliva and in urine of my dogs.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      Such an interesting comment. It sounds like you’re doing some wonderful things for the animals whose owners come to you. I have a question and a couple of comments… first the question, how is your treatment diet different from the diets the animals were eating before their cancer diagnoses?

      Comment #1. I’m not a T. Colin Campbell fan, he produced some great research but misrepresents it at almost every turn. However, regarding that research, his data showed that when feeding isolated foods to animals (like wheat), he could prevent cancer compared to feeding casein. While we know that this is because wheat doesn’t have a complete amino profile, the most interesting part of this particular research is that it is lysine that was missing from the cancer-free animals’ diets. When the lysine was supplemented, the cancer rates rose to match those of the animals eating casein.

      Comment #2. Urine and saliva pH has absolutely nothing to do with body pH.

    • James says

      As previously stated neither salivary or urinary pH reflect blood pH whatsoever. The ONLY way to determine blood pH is with a blood test.

      Can lysine help with cancer. In theory yes. But this has NOTHING to do with pH. Research cancer viruses. The vast majority of cancers, including leukemias and lymphomas are caused by viruses. Lysine has some antiviral properties.

      In fact, the only chemotherapy drugs that have had any type of high success rate on cancer are the drugs Vincristine and Vinblastine derived from the plant Madagascar periwinkle. These drugs are used to treat leukemias and lymphomas linked to viral infections such as the human T-cell leukemia/lymphoma viruses and Epstein Barre virus. Vincristine and Vinblastine have their very high success rates because these are strong antiviral drugs.

      Another great example is betulinic acid, derived from birch bark and chaga (black conch) mushrooms. Betulinic acid is not only successful against cancers due to its strong antiviral effects, but also cancer viruses such as hepatitis viruses and the cancer virus HIV, previously known as human T-cell leukemia/lymphoma virus type 3 (HTLV III). See:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3600

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3180

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2363

      In fact, many acids have known anti-cancer effects such as acidic polyphenols and chlorogenic acid due to their antiviral effects.

      The body has various mechanisms by which it maintains its pH. Respiration is the primary means of pH balancing.

      • Paleo Huntress says

        James,

        Any chance you’re James Sloane? Your comments remind me of articles I’ve read and video interviews I’ve watched with him.

          • Paleo Huntress says

            Well how cool is that? It’s awesome that you’re commenting here.

            For anyone still arguing, James is the pH expert, really and truly. A quick search engine search will show you that you can’t prevail here, he really does know more than all of us.

      • Todd says

        Great info but your missing a lifetime of volumes of information on fungus and its link to cancer. Virus is but a small part. As the Nobel genius Otto Warburg said decades ago, cancer has many secondary causes but only one primary cause…the fermentation of sugars. This holds completely true today. Antifungals have done incredible work with cancers and fungus, which Doug Kaufmann, and many other top experts would suggest through countless studies over decades, which state cancer and fungus are one in the same. Harvard and Johns Hopkins among them. They just don’t like to talk about it much do they?

        • James says

          Fungal associated cancers are rare. There are a a few mycotoxins that can lead to cancer in severely immunocompromised people such as alfatoxins. But these are easily neutralized with vitamin C.

          If you check the real, and more current research, you will find that the vast majority of cancers have been linked to viruses. I have seen a number of cases though of fungal infections being secondary to cancer due to the use of antibiotic chemotherapy drugs. These kill off the beneficial acid forming bacteria that help protect us from many fungi, such as fungal Candida.

          And I really wish people would stop misquoting Otto Warburg!!! Otto Warburg never claimed cancer was the result of the fermentation of sugar. Nor did he ever claim that cancer was the result of a lack of oxygen or from acidity as people keep falsely claiming. And Warburg never claimed that a high pH or high oxygen levels would kill cancer cells as people also keep falsely claiming.

          Warburg hypothesized that cancer cells had a respiratory defect and would continue to ferment regardless of how much oxygen is present. This became known as the “Warburg effect”.

          Warburg’s hypotheses that cancer cells had a respiratory defect and how cancer cells derived their energy were later disproven. We now know today that cancer cells derive at least 50% of their energy production through oxidative phosphorylation. In other words, not fermentation.

          And any “expert” who wants to claim that cancer cells and fungi are the same thing are clearly not even close to being real experts. For starters, fungi have cell walls because they are more closely related to plants. Human cancer cells have cell membranes because they are animal cells. So any idiot who cannot figure out that fungal cells and cancer cells have completely different morphologies are not experts by any means!

          Cancer cells are actually pretty much fetal cells. Think about it. Both have a faster than normal metabolism and growth rate. Both have a higher glucose utilization than other cells and grow faster in a high glucose concentration. Both utilize human chorionic gonoadotrophin hormone, NOT FOUND IN FUNGI, to hide from the immune system. One of the cancer markers looked for is carcinogenic EMBRYONIC antigen test.

          Again, cancer cells and fungi are not the same thing nor are they related.

      • Gerald says

        James are you aware of

        Exposure to solvents and risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma: clues on …
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17337640‎
        by P Vineis – ‎2007 – ‎Cited by 25 – ‎Related articles
        Mar 2, 2007 – Exposure to solvents and risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma: clues on putative mechanisms. … Malignant lymphomas are a group of diseases of uncertain etiology. … and with familial predisposition) indirectly suggest that an immunologic mechanism could be involved in lymphomagenesis from solvents.

        • James says

          I find it interesting that the medical establishment is still claiming to not know the cause of lymphomas when the link to viruses has been known for around 30 years.

          In fact, I posted for a short time on the American Leukemia and Lymphoma Society board. Someone decided to argue that viruses were not a cause of leukemias and lymphomas and made a sarcastic remark about I should tell his doctor about this since his doctor never heard of these cancer viruses. So I told the guy that he needs to find a new doctor since these viruses had been known for 25 years at the time. I then posted a number of medical journal studies proving the link between viruses and leukemias and lymphomas. The American Leukemia and Lymphoma Society immediately banned me, erased ALL of my messages and left the posts calling me a quack up despite their policy against posting attacks. They simply did not want people knowing that the cause of leukemias and lymphomas was known because then they would have to admit the cures already exist and there would no longer be a reason for their existence.

          A few example though are the human T-cell leukemia/lymphoma virus type 3, which was later renamed the human immunodeficiency virus to hide the link between the virus and the cancers it plays a role in by acting as a co-factor for oncogenic viruses. There are also human leukemia/lymphoma viruses 1, 2 and 4. HTLV 1 and 2 are known to be direct causes of lymphomas.

          David the “Bubble Boy” died from B cell lymphoma from the Epstein Barr virus (human herpes virus type 4) he acquired from a bone marrow transplant he got from his sister.

          Burkitt’s lymphoma is commonly associated with Epstein Barr viral infections in parts of Africa.

          The hepatitis C virus is also known for causing B cell lymphoma.

          Simian vacuole virus type 40 that contaminated the polio vaccines given to 80 million Americans has been linked to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma among other cancers.

          Various compounds are not directly carcinogenic but rather have been found to be co-factors in carcinogenesis. For example, estrogens are not directly carcinogenic. Instead, estrogens have been found in studies to activate oncoviruses (cancer causing viruses). Sunlight does not cause skin cancer, but rather activates oncogenic human papilloma viruses in the skin. Asbestos is a co-factor to causing mesothelioma by its effect on the oncogenic virus simian vacuole virus type 40.

          As far as solvents go there are several possibilities as to their role in the formation of cancer. For example, it is hypothesized that the solvent benzene reacts with estrogens in the body forming otho-quinones that can stimulate the proliferation of blood cells. I am not sold on this hypothesis though since there are not changes in the cells that would prevent the immune system from identifying and destroying the proliferated cells. This would be a good example of what I have always said about what happens in the Petri dish is not always the same as what happens in the body. The Petri dish does not have an active immune system like the body does.

          My hypothesis is that the solvents are suppressing immune function allowing the oncoviruses that cause lymphomas to take hold. All three solvents mentioned in the study you linked (benzene, xylene, toluene) are all well known to be highly toxic to the bone marrow. All immune cells start out as undifferentiated stem cells in the bone marrow. When the bone marrow is damaged, such as by solvent exposure there is a decline in stem cells and thus a drop in immune cells that in turn lead to immune suppression. With immune suppression oncogenic viruses can take hold. AIDS is a good example of this. One of the symptoms of AIDS are AIDS associated cancers that result from the immune suppression associated with chemical or viral induced AIDS.

  59. Todd says

    Its a great day to start reading Dr. Thomas Levy’s book named Death by Calcium. I love meta analysis but I love proof in the pudding even more and this guy is always at the top of the game.
    All I can say is in my 10 years of natural health experience, I have not seen a disease yet, including stage 4 cancer, severe heart disease (mine of 40 years), MS, Fungus, among many others, not very positively and heavily influenced by a (EDUCATED) highly alkalizing diet. Of about 400 folks I have been involved with when orthodox medicine gave up, not one didn’t dramatically improve or completed eliminate what ailed them with it being a primary factor in natural health accountability protocols. . The disease didn’t matter. Just my take. PS: I helped all 400 plus without charge. Whats a person got to loose? Just like Doug kaufmanns anti-fungal diet for a host of disease causes. 120,000 die each year from drugs here in America each year. Haven’t yet heard of any dead from either diet. Lots of egos screaming bloody murder though. Lol.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      Todd,

      Just a point of logic, what does that “highly alkalinizing” diet eliminate or contain besides the “alkalinity”? Does it eliminate sugar? White flour? Processed food? Vegetable oil? Preservatives? Artificial additives? Does it include whole foods?

      What else is eliminated? Do people quit smoking? Quit drinking? Start working out? Participate in stress-reduction activities?

      I’m guessing that almost every single one of these variables changes… and yet, you have singled out one factor and you’re religiously sure of it, even though the actual science says otherwise.

      Your pudding is a big pile of shi— confounders. I’ll stick to my science.

    • James says

      “Influenced” does not mean cured. Breathing can “influence” a disease but does not necessarily get rid of it.

      And what people do not seem to be getting is that there is no such thing as an alkaline diet. The so-called “alkaline diet” is based on the ash content of foods, which ignores the acid content of the food or the various acids formed from the metabolism of the foods. If we did just the opposite and isolated only the acids present in let’s say fruits and vegetables then we could conclude that fruits and vegetable constitute an acid diet. This is a great example of how people take a little information and twist the information to fit their needs, usually to sell books or something else.

      Luckily, most of the foods in the so-called “alkaline diet” produce acids that control fungal growth. For example, studies have shown that the dimorphic microbe Candida albicans is kept in check by acidity. In an acidic environment, provided by our acid forming flora, the Candida growth gene is turned off and the Candida is kept in its benign yeast form. If the flora are reduced the pH of the terrain is made alkaline. The alkalinity turns on the Candida growth gene and morphs the Candida in to its pathogenic fungal form leading to what is known as candidiasis. In this fungal form the Candida forms finger-like projections known as hyphae that allow the Candida to dig in to the tissues leading to tissue damage and inflammation.

      What the so-called alkaline diets can do is to provide various nutrients including a number of beneficial acids that can help fight pathogens and boost the immune system. An alkaline diet though does not alkalize the blood though. The primary means of pH regulation for the blood is respiration.

      • finndian says

        My undiagnosed hypothyroidism caused severe cellular dehydration and electrolyte depletion. Weak stomach acids brought on my the condition made it difficult to break down foods properly so I because deficient in many vitamins and minerals. I was jaundice looking because I could not efficiently convert beta carotene to vitamin A. Any needle poke caused a knot to rise on my skin because deficient Vitamin K couldn’t handle normal blood clotting. Because doctors don’t get training in nutrition I was plied with drugs to mask the deficiency symptoms. During all this I developed leaky gut syndrome as a cherry on top of the cake.

        My saliva, urine and semen was testing highly acidic and I have no doubt my blood PH regulation was off as well especially due to magnesium depletion. My urine foamed in the urinal and my sweat reeked of ammonia.

        By the time I figured this all out and first sought magnesium IVs I was on beta-blockers and other meds. Infusing magnesium into my blood was like coming up for air while drowning. Warmth spread through my body (body temp was now very low) and depression lifted… my face turned pink. Even blood vessels in my irises relaxed and the color of my eyes brightened.

        What I believe you are talking about when you say blood PH is not influenced by diet is best case scenarios and the belief that everyone eats their veggies and fruit and that they have no digestion issues or undiagnosed diseases. The way usually pick test subjects I would have be eliminated from the study. That is just not real world anymore. Genetically modified food, over farmed land and loads of anti-biotics in the meat have changed things and our bodies.

        Pardon us individuals that have experienced acidic systems for one reason or another not to be listening very closely to what you have to say.

        • Paleo Huntress says

          In context with the rest of his comment, I believe that when James says diet doesn’t influence blood pH, he is clearly referring to the pH of the diet, not just diet in general.

          “What the so-called alkaline diets can do”

          “The so-called “alkaline diet” is”

          “An alkaline diet though does not alkalize the blood”

          He specifically states that the whole food diet eaten by the kool-aid drinkers in an effort to alkalinize their bodies “can provide various nutrients”. I don’t think there is anyone here that doesn’t fully buy into the impact that diet has on overall health.

          You could have eaten POUNDS of alkaline-forming foods every day, but if they weren’t rich in magnesium, you’d have had the same issues. Your problem was a magnesium deficiency and it was solved with MAGNESIUM, which just happens to be alkaline.

          Your “acidic system” wasn’t balanced by an alkaline diet, it was balanced by supplementing the deficiency causing it.

        • James says

          Again your statements do not make a lot of sense.

          First of all saliva and urine pH DO NOT reflect blood pH of pH of the cells. Saliva is normally alkaline unless a person has an overgrowth of acid forming bacteria in the mouth or simply a deficiency of saliva. Urinary pH can vary widely, but an acidic pH can simply imply dehydration among other things. Semen is normally alkaline to allow it to survive the normally acidic female reproductive organs. If your semen was acidic then you likely had an infection.

          The most interesting part of your claim is where you say “my sweat reeked of ammonia”. If your system is that high in ammonia that the body is trying to rid itself of the excess ammonia through the skin then you should be in alkalosis. After all ammonia is highly alkaline.

          Hypothyroidism is not going to cause cellular dehydration.

          Foaming urine indicates protein passing in the urine, so you may have had kidney issues going on.

          A jaundice look from carotenes is only going to form if taking overdoses of carotenes. So it sounds like you probably also had liver problems, which would account for the high ammonia levels.

          The “knot ” in your skin when being poked sounds like dermographia. If you had a problem with vitamin K then you would be bleeding with a difficult ability to stop the bleeding, not simply having a bump form in the skin. Consider how people on Coumadin can hemorrhage because the Coumadin interferes with vitamin K.

          In short it sounds to me like you are doing a lo of self diagnosis without really understanding how the body really works or what your home tests really mean.

          “What I believe you are talking about when you say blood PH is not influenced by diet is best case scenarios and the belief that everyone eats their veggies and fruit and that they have no digestion issues or undiagnosed diseases.”

          No, that is not what I said at all. The body is more complex than that. Simply eating a diet of veggies and fruit IS NOT going to ensure health. In fact, many strict vegetarians become sick from their diets after years on the diet. The reason is that B12 cannot be derived from plant sources. If they are not supplementing their liver stores of B12 get used up and they develop B12 deficiency anemia. It takes an average of 2-6years because the liver stores a 2-6 year supply of B12.

          Furthermore, there are all sorts of diseases whos causes have absolutely nothing to do with diet or nutrition. For example, cystic fibrosis, colds, influenza, typhoid, STDs, etc. To think that a good diet can prevent and cure all disease is completely ludicrous.

          And again, acidosis is EXTREMELY rare and quite dangerous. More dangerous though are people self diagnosing themselves without really understanding how the body really works.

          • finndian says

            I’m getting you now… you want to be right at any cost and you are glib about it. In my mind that makes everything you are saying questionable. There is nothing worse than someone that should know better confidently stating false information to make a point.

            I think where you are running into problems with your logic is you appear to not be able to put 2 and 2 together and thats not uncommon. I’ve known some really smart people that have no ability to stray from the text and connect the dots. That is just not good problem solving my friend.

            The characteristic yellow tint of the skin in hypothyroidism is due to hyper-beta-carotenemia. Hypothyroidism causes extreme disruption in electrolyte balance according to many studies. Now FOLLOW THOUGH with that thought…. one can become DEHYDRATED as a result. Weakening digestive enzymes can cause havoc to anyones nutritional wellbeing… fats don’t emulsify… vitamin K, etc. A deficiency in K would certainly cause coagulation abnormalities, abnormalities that cleared up quickly when I took vitamin K for a short time. I don’t need you to tell me I’m wrong, I’ve had the experience of curing that deficiency first hand.

            If I had you and your logic and problem solving when I needed help to understand what was happening to me I’d have been up the creek… I think thats clear.

            I never said diet or nutrition stops any disease (Linus Pauling did)… not sure where you got that from my post. I understand your job is to uphold the status quo for us all as a member of the medical establishment but some of us are just not going to sit around while you get off of dispense your pearls of wisdom that at least in this last posting of yours are flippantly WRONG and not thought though.

            I have cured myself of my deficiencies and balanced my thyroid hormone and am now off all other medication despite some very big egos wanting to prevent that type of thing. Now please at least GOOGLE information and perhaps read someones else’s personal experience and learn a little something before posting and condescendingly trying to shoot it all down.

            As I said, I’d still be sick if I were listening to you.

            • James says

              I am not the one stating false information. I was simply connecting the dots as you put it and explaining why your statements made no sense. Now you are all pissed off because I exposed your false information.

              Your main problems is that you don’t really understand how the body works and you are self diagnosing.

              For example, you state “The characteristic yellow tint of the skin in hypothyroidism is due to hyper-beta-carotenemia”. Considering how common hypothyroidism is why don’t we have an epidemic of hyper-beta-carotenemia?

              Then you go on to talk about electrolyte imbalances and cellular dehydration. So how do you explain how electrolyte imbalances from water toxemia causing brain swelling? The cells are not swelling from dehydration. Just the opposite.

              ” Weakening digestive enzymes can cause havoc to anyones nutritional wellbeing… fats don’t emulsify… vitamin K, etc.”

              The function of enzymes is not emulsification. Emulsifiers such as the lecithin in bile allow for the emulsification of fat soluble vitamins, not enzymes. Again, this is why people who do not understand the chemistry of the body or how the body really works should not be self diagnosing.

              “A deficiency in K would certainly cause coagulation abnormalities”

              Yes, nobody is disputing that. But that is not what you were describing in association with your supposed vitamin K deficiency as I pointed out in my last post.

              “I never said diet or nutrition stops any disease (Linus Pauling did)… not sure where you got that from my post.”

              You implied that this was your belief as well when you wrote this:

              “What I believe you are talking about when you say blood PH is not influenced by diet is best case scenarios and the belief that everyone eats their veggies and fruit and that they have no digestion issues or undiagnosed diseases. ”

              Being that I never said anything about that that leaves me to belief that this is part of YOUR belief system. What I was referring to is the fact that regardless of what you eat the food will be made acidic. Then the chyme will stimulate an alkaline response upon leaving the stomach. I the long run the metabolites will form beneficial acids that aid the body and the excess will be neutralized or eliminated to maintain the body’s tight pH levels. So it does not matter if you eat steak or lettuce, the end result as far as pH will always be the same, which is the body will simply maintain its pH in normal levels.

              • finndian says

                Hmmm, interesting that you don’t have any idea what you are talking about but yet you keep going on and on. Mostly at night, so I’m suspecting that a little alcohol is involved and your perhaps dressed as your alter ego… paleo huntress.

                “The characteristic yellow tint of the skin in hypothyroidism is due to hyper-beta-carotenemia.”

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8475673

                I refuse to interact with a troll playing the contrarian game.

                • Paleo Huntress says

                  You refuse to interact? Don’t be ridiculous. You couldn’t help yourself if you tried. It’s a shame your alkaline diet didn’t remove the acid in your personality. To accuse someone of drinking becasue they are posting late at night? What kind of sad little person you must truly be.

                  While I’m quite flattered to be thought James Sloane’s alter ego, do your due diligence and plug our names into a search engine and see what comes up before revealing yourself a fool. Outside of your little bubble, you’ll find a big wide world that disagrees with you.

                • James says

                  I see you know as little about me as you do how your body works. That is why you keep assuming things. For example, accusing me of drinking. I may have 2 or 3 drinks a year because I don’t care much for alcohol and have only been drink once in my life unintentionally. When people start attacking the other person instead of the topic like you are doing it just shows the person is clueless to what they are claiming. So all they have left is to attack the messenger instead of the message.

                  As far as your comment about hyper-beta-carotenemia you totally missed my point. Just because something can occur this does not make it common, nor is the only cause of something. Have you ever bothered to look up the various things that can cause yellowing of the skin? So you are assuming as usual that you 1. Have hypothyroidism and 2. That hypothyroidism is behind the yellowish discoloration you developed in your skin.

                  Again, this is why people who do not really understand how the body really works should not be trying to self diagnose.

                  It is like when people try to self diagnose over something like chronic fatigue, which can occur for numerous reasons. So they jsut go with what sounds good to them based on what little they really know about the body.

  60. Linda says

    I am a layperson and I am reading all these comments and becoming very confused.

    I am a 56 year old post-menopausal woman who takes Dilantin for a seizure disorder. I have not had a seizure in 13 years, so I don’t want to switch medications. Seizure meds attack the bones, but, unfortunately, Dilantin is the worst.

    Add to that, I am white, of Germanic descent and I am 5′ 1″ and weigh 100 pounds. I have never been anorexic. I have just always been thin. I am extremely active and do not think of myself as “frail.”

    But, I have terrible bone scans. In addition to taking calcium and Vit D3 and a good whole food multi-vitamin, I am looking at other dietary changes. I have cut out sodas and caffeine, I don’t think lack of those things will hurt me. I drink water that I purify with a PUR water filter. Not the best, but it is what I can afford and I drink more water now because it tastes better.

    I almost have a vegetarian diet because meat is expensive. I eat meat about 3-4 times a month. And I still eat dairy.

    I am not going to take the osteoporosis meds because of cancer risk (my dad died of cancer of the esophagus) and because of possible death of the jaw bone. (No wonder my mother could not eat at the end of her life).

    I also wear a weight vest and exercise aobut 3 times a week. And I am looking into balance exercises. Basically, everyone should do balance exercises. Anyone older who falls, even if they have good bone scans, can break a bone.

    Any advice about what else I could be doing for bone health? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    • John Carraway says

      Learn as much as you can about alkalizing and detoxifying your body. Google and use utube to find the the answers. Your bones are alkaline, so you must follow an alkaline Atkins diet if you want results, and you must detox your liver 2 or 3 times a year. The liver and pancreas are the most burdened organs, and must be supported if you want to avoid infirmities. Medications are acidic, so you should try to avoid them by following a regimen that supports your nerves, which need alkalinity and cholesterol. Don’t believe the cholesterol lie. Nerves need cholesterol, and the brain is 50% cholesterol in it’s makeup.

      • James says

        John,

        First of all the body maintains a tight pH. You cannot alkalize the body since the body maintains an already alkaline pH. Trying to force the body in to an alkaline pH just puts more stress on the body as it has to work harder to restore its proper pH since excess alkalinity can be deadly.

        As for the claim that the bones are alkaline this is not necessarily true. Just because the bones contain some alkaline minerals this does not mean the bones are alkaline. The bones are also composed of amino acids, fatty acids, hyaluronic acid, orthosilicic acid, ascorbic acid, etc. Bone cells also require various acids for energy production, which among other things helps them to regenerate new tissue. And the process of bone remodeling that helps keep bones healthy and strong requires citric acid that helps break down old bone to replace it with new, healthier bone.

        There is no such thing as an “alkaline diet”. Even it there were such a thing most people would consider the high protein and the ketosis it causes to form an acidic diet.

        And who says medications are acidic? What about alkaline potassium salts prescribed in conjunction with Lasix? Or alkaline Milk of Magnesia, or alkaline calcium carbonate or aluminum hydroxide antacids? Etc, etc, etc.

        James

        • John Carraway says

          Why do you insist that the alkaline diet is bogus? The standard American diet is acidic and only allows toxins to buildup in the flesh of the body. Dr. Linus Pauling proved that mineral and antioxidant deficiencies (lack of negative ions) is the cause of disease. The American diet is definitely lacking in minerals and antioxidants, which means the body cannot detox itself sufficiently to prevent the buildup. Once the body has reached saturation, debilitation and illness take over normal bodily processes. Alkalization and detoxification is a normal bodily function that continues 24/7, regardless of what we eat. I am only recommending that we assist the body with nutrients that promote A & D.

          • James says

            “Why do you insist that the alkaline diet is bogus? ”

            Because it is. There is no such thing as a truly acidic or a truly alkaline food. As I have explained over and over all foods are made acidic in the stomach, then the chyme alkalizes in the intestine. In the long run all foods, including the so-called “alkaline foods” are metabolized in to beneficial acids, which are utilized by the body and excess removed.

            Diseases have many causes including alkalinity. For example, studies have shown that excess alkalinity of healthy cells causes the healthy cells to morph in to cancer cells. Alkalinity causes Candida to morph from its benign yeast form in to its pathogenic fungal form. Alkalinity allows the ulcer and cancer forming bacteria H. pylori to survive. In fact, most pathogens are killed by acidity and thrive in alkalinity. Alkalinity can also allow precipitation of calcium allowing the formation of calcium based kidney stones and calcification of arteries. Etc.

            Ironically, Linus Pauling was in to high dose ascorbic acid for health, which excess breaks down in the body in to oxalic acid.

          • Daniel says

            what happens in your stomach when you consume h2o with ph of 9.5- nuetralization reaction in the stomach, forcing the stomach to produce more acid for digestion, therefor lowering the amount of acid in the rest of the body, buffers will then buffers will change form releasing PH decreasing factors, however there are not unlimited buffers in the blood and in organs???

            • James says

              Daniel: “what happens in your stomach when you consume h2o with ph of 9.5- nuetralization reaction in the stomach, forcing the stomach to produce more acid for digestion, therefor lowering the amount of acid in the rest of the body, ”

              Not quite. When you neutralize stomach acid this interferes with the absorption of B6, B12 and folic acid needed to produce the methyl donor SAMe. Without methyl groups the stomach cannot produce more stomach acid. This is why antacids, including alkaline waters, and acid blockers (proton pump inhibitors) interfere with long term stomach acid formation.

              And even if your claim was true the creation of more stomach acid would not decrease acidity. Think about it, what is used to form stomach acid and pancreatic bicarbonate? Carbonic acid, which the body always has enough of. In fact we wold have an excess if carbonic dioxide was not being exhaled all the time. Therefore, any carbonic acid being utilized in stomach acid formation would be replaced immediately maintaining the same blood pH.

              Daniel: “buffers will then buffers will change form releasing PH decreasing factors, however there are not unlimited buffers in the blood and in organs???”

              I have no idea what you are saying here. But the body is constantly maintaining its pH with its various mechanisms THROUGHOUT life.

            • John Carraway says

              The stomach does not produce acids all the time, only when foods are introduced. Water simply passes through most of the time. Also, the pH of the blood is always kept slightly above neutral, or we would die of a heart attack, etc. The blood has to remain alkaline, which the body maintains by transferring minerals from other parts of the body when necessary, but it is our diet that is the main source. You have to think of the body as a living battery, with positive and negative ions creating the current that energizes our nerves (heart beat, etc). Without magnesium ions in our blood, we would die. However, the rest of our body (flesh and organs) is not maintained at an alkaline pH, it is a dumping ground for unneutralized acids from the burning of food for survival. Everything we eat turns into acidic wastes after it is metabolized in our cells, which must be neutralized before it can be transported through the blood to the kidneys. If we are eating an alkaline diet, there’s no lack of minerals for neutralization. But if we’re eating an acidic diet, there won’t be enough minerals to neutralize all the acids. That’s when the acids are left in the body’s flesh and fatty tissues surrounding the organs, etc. This buildup of acids stored in the body is the cause of infirmities and eventual disease. It is the pH of the body (not the pH of the blood) that we are talking about. It is the balancing act between acidity (positive ions) and alkalinity (negative ions) that maintains our health. Negative ions promote health and positive ions promote illness. The body is constantly balancing the two 24/7. That’s why it pays to follow an Atkins diet with plenty of green foods and supplements, and to detox your liver 3 times a year. Google and YouTube for more info. energiseforlife.com is one of dozens that are educational.

              • James says

                John Carraway: “The stomach does not produce acids all the time, only when foods are introduced. ”

                Not true. Even the thought of food or drinking water can cause the stomach to start releasing acid.

                John Carraway: “Also, the pH of the blood is always kept slightly above neutral, or we would die of a heart attack, etc.”

                You are right that the blood is always kept slightly alkaline. That is why diet has virtually no influence on blood pH.

                You are wrong about the heart attack part. If anything, excess alkalinity would be more apt to cause heart attacks for several reasons. For one, excess alkalinity constricts blood vessels cutting off the blood flow to critical organs such as the heart. Decreased blood flow can lead to heart arrhythmias or angina and an absence of blood flow from the vasoconstriction will cause a heart attack.

                In addition, calcifications, such as those that occur in arterial plaque occur in an alkaline environment. An acidic environment makes calcium soluble and prevents it from precipitating out. Calcified arterial plaque can also reduce or block blood flow to the heart.

                John Carraway: “The blood has to remain alkaline, which the body maintains by transferring minerals from other parts of the body when necessary, but it is our diet that is the main source. ”

                Again incorrect. As has been pointed out so many times here the main source of pH balance for the body is respiration. Dumping of hydrogen ions through the kidneys is secondary. And there are still various other means of pH regulation used by the body such as sodium bicarbonate, which the body produces all the time in significant amounts.

                John Carraway: “That’s when the acids are left in the body’s flesh and fatty tissues surrounding the organs, etc. This buildup of acids stored in the body is the cause of infirmities and eventual disease.”

                This myth has been addressed over and over. Please use some common sense for once. The blood, which you admit is kept alkaline helps maintain the alkaline pH of most of the body. Therefore, acids are not accumulating in the body except in the places where they are supposed to such as the stomach and colon.

                Alkalinity though can lead to disease. For example, what happens when highly alkaline ammonia builds up in the blood? Coma and death.

                John Carraway: “It is the balancing act between acidity (positive ions) and alkalinity (negative ions) that maintains our health. Negative ions promote health and positive ions promote illness. ”

                You just proved you have no clue what you are talking about. First of all research negative ions to see why you keep making that error. Then look up positively “charged” ions like the magnesium ion (Mg2+) prevalent throughout the body. You just got done saying earlier in your post “Without magnesium ions in our blood, we would die.” Now you are falsely claiming positively charged ions such as the magnesium you said we would die without “promotes illness”. According to your bogus hypothesis we should all be ill due to the positively charged magnesium ions that keep us alive and healthy.

                That’s the problem with pretending you understand the chemistry of the body. There will always be someone that really does understand it and will expose your BS claims.

                John Carraway: “That’s why it pays to follow an Atkins diet with plenty of green foods and supplements”

                Who said the Atkins diet is full of greens? Atkins was big on high protein and fat, mainly as meats. And selling his low carb processed foods, many of which contained dangerous artificial sweeteners.

                John Carraway: “Google and YouTube for more info. energiseforlife.com is one of dozens that are educational.”

                If this is where you have been getting your bogus information from then people should do everything they can to avoid that site if they want to stay healthy.

                • Mike T says

                  James,

                  If you read the original Atkins books, he encouraged people to eat lots of green vegetables. His diet was basically a meat and vegetable diet, very healthy for those who follow it regardless of where you sit on the issues being discussed on this forum. The processed crap now being flogged as Atkins, is the result of the Atkins brand being bought by a food conglomerate several years back.

                • John Carraway says

                  I was referring to the original Atkins book written in the 80′s or 90′s. I don’t know what has become of his protocols since that time. Paleo may be a better diet plan, but I think dairy foods are not included. In any case, anything close to a ketogenic diet would be preferable.

                • James says

                  John Carraway: “In any case, anything close to a ketogenic diet would be preferable.”

                  Why? What makes you think that generating ketone bodies is healthy for the body?

              • Paleo Huntress says

                You don’t need to eat an “alkaline diet”, there is not such thing anyway. All you need to do to maintain your body and blood pH is BREATHE.

                THIS is the body’s primary control mechanism, and not food… not ever food.

            • Paleo Huntress says

              The body doesn’t keep a store of acids that it draws from when it’s time to digest food. The stomach PRODUCES acid. This doesn’t impact your blood or body pH at all.

    • Jo says

      Have you ever visited the nutrients list at http://www.betterbones.com/bonenutrition/20keybonenutrients.aspx?

      Regarding vitamin K2 in particular I know that Susan Brown recommends the MK7 version of vitamin K2 while Chris Kresser recommends the MK4 version. Some say that as the MK4 is not detectable in the body soon after ingesting it this shows that it is not effective, while others say that it shows that the body is utilizing it very rapidly and suggest that it has disappeared into the bones. I don’t know what the truth of it is.

    • James says

      Hi Linda,

      Dilantin is a pretty nasty drug, especially for the liver. Supporting the liver therefore with herbs such as turmeric, milk thistle seed, artichoke leaf or schisandra berry would be a good idea.

      There are also some ways you can reduce your risk of seizures such as lecithin granules, fish oil concentrates and trimethylglycine (TMG ) supplements to remyelinate the nerves. The hyper-electrical activity associated with petite and grand mal seizures involves short-circuiting of the brain neural system due to loss of myelin to insulate the nerves.

      A few other things that most people do not realize about the osteoporosis drugs is that they actually increase the risk of bone fracture, they are very caustic, they can can cause a permanent burning sensation in the body and they can take up 10 years to get back out of the body. They are super dangerous drugs.

      As far as bone health goes people often make the mistake thinking that simply taking calcium will build strong bones.

      First of all calcium is not the most important nutrient for strong bones. Silica is, followed by the amino acids proline, lysine and glycine, then vitamin C. Next comes calcium, magensium, phosphorus, strontium, manganese, traces of copper, zinc and natural fluoride as well as vitamins A, D, E, K and fatty acids.

      Simply taking calcium, especially without balancing it out with sufficient magnesium can lead to high blood pressure, muscle spasms/cramping, constipation, mental fogginess, etc.

      It is not really feasible to take all the required supplements individually. But you can get most of these easily in a good diet. There are also a few herbs that are nutrient rich and can provide you with these nutrients such as nettle leaf, alfalfa herb (not sprouts) and seaweeds such as bladderwrack.

      I also like adding food grade diatomaceous earth to my water to help saturate the water with silica. Start by reading though this post:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5235&pid=7879&mode=threaded

      James

      • Hope says

        Thank you James!
        Can you comment on what you define as “a good diet”?
        I have osteoporosis and lov metabolism and have refused to take any drugs for my bones. I am only taking Erfa Thyroid and want to do everything right so my bones can get strong again. Do you think that it is possible to make strong bones again when diagnosed with osteoporosis?

        • James says

          Hi Hope,

          A good diet would be a diet richer in vegetables, vitamin C rich fruits and minimal amounts of red meat and dairy.

          Dark green. leafy vegetables in particular are good sources of vitamin K that is great for bones. Fibers in vegetables also feed our beneficial intestinal flora, which also produce vitamin K. Vegetables will also provide some silica, but seaweeds are one of the better choices for a high silica content.

          Vitamin C rich fruits include papaya, kiwis, mangoes, berries and peppers.

          Red meats and dairy are high in phosphorus, which stimulate the release of parathyroid hormone leading to bone calcium loss.

          Yes, it is possible to rebuild the bones when someone has osteoporosis. Bone tissue is constantly being broken down and rebuilt as part of keeping bone in a healthy state. When bone remodeling is inhibited, such as when osteoporosis drugs are used, this leads basically to old, “rotten” bone. This is another reason that bisphosphonate drugs such as Boniva and Actonel increase the risk of bone fracture. I posted earlier on the other reason, which is loss of bone flexibility to allow bones to absorb force.

          One problem you are going to run in to though is your thyroid medication. Thyroid medications are well known for causing bone loss due to poor regulation of thyroid hormones leading to temporary spurts of hyperthyroidism.

          To make matters worse the longer someone is on thyroid medication the more they shut down their thyroid, which is why the dosage of thyroid medication has to be upped occasionally.

          If a person is on thyroid medications and they still have their thyroid it is possible to come off the medication. It is a slow process though as the medication has to be very slowly weaned off of while supporting the thyroid with herbs and supplements such as seaweeds and coleus forskohlii.

  61. Daniel says

    “FOODS DO NOT AFFECT YOUR BLOOD PH”

    some very reliable sources state otherwise

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3195546/

    -Your BioChem Degree Chaser-

    from my understanding the body is a controlled environment, to say that our blood buffers control a 100% ph regulation even with the consumption of alkaline substances causing neutralization reactions sounds like a bit of an overstatement, and cancer has been shown to thrive in lower PH levels???

  62. James says

    Daniel,

    Why are you only supplying partial quotes? Here is the full quote from Robert Su, M.D. on June 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm:

    “To question that foods do not affect blood pH, we should question why lemon juice would work well in helping ease gouty arthritis and reduce the serum uric acid level.”

    Clearly you are trying to argue something not said.

    Since you bring it up though did you actually read the study, or just assumed it backed your view based on the title? Let’s take a look at what the study states:

    “The human body has an amazing ability to maintain a steady pH in the blood with the main compensatory mechanisms being renal and respiratory.”

    Just as has been stated over an over. Note that they did not say diet was a primary means of pH regulation.

    “It has been suggested that an alkaline diet may prevent a number of diseases and result in significant health benefits. Looking at the above discussion on bone health alone, certain aspects have doubtful benefit. ”

    “However, a recent systematic review of the literature looking for evidence supporting the alkaline diet for bone health found no protective role of dietary acid load in osteoporosis [31].”

    “Alkaline diets result in a more alkaline urine pH and may result in reduced calcium in the urine, however, as seen in some recent reports, this may not reflect total calcium balance because of other buffers such as phosphate. There is no substantial evidence that this improves bone health or protects from osteoporosis.”

    “At this time, there are limited scientific studies in this area, and many more studies are indicated in regards to muscle effects, growth hormone, and interaction with vitamin D.”

    When they do talk about benefits they talk about the nutrients in the diet such as magnesium, which provide benefits that have nothing to do with pH balance as I stated before:

    James Jan 15, 2014 “This is why there is really no such thing as an alkaline diet. Just a more nutritional diet.”

    So what are these reliable “sources” that show an alkaline diet significantly affects blood pH? Note that sources is plural yet you have not provided even one source backing this claim.

    • Daniel says

      “Clearly you are trying to argue something not said”

      Its in bold letters at the top of the page my dude, you just happened to find it in another place, a misunderstanding, i’m not trying anything lol…

      But,ok, I been reading some of the comments since last time; there has to be some statistical analysis that shows people with an alkaline style diet have a more defense to life threatening cancers than those with an acidic style diet.

      My current theory would be that there is some mechanism is the defense against alkalosis that is beneficial (in regards to cancer) as opposed to the body defending against acidosis. Just because we can’t find a reference in the current text doesnt mean we write it off, thats not what science is about, the text is not a bible that is written in stone.

  63. J says

    Chris, what you wrote about is the tight control of blood acidity which is correctly called “acidemia”. Cellular “acidosis” happens as the blood is regulated by production of bicarbonate & acidity is dumped in the cells from the blood. Of course the blood is heavily regulated, a person can’t live in either extremes. I think you misunderstand the details & what it implies as cellular acidosis saturates or the effects where various pathogens may exist & proliferate. Acid to base chemistry is the foundation of life & many products. In correct understanding it can be utilized in conjunction with other factors to increase health. To simplify & not correctly describe the terms shows ignorance on your part. Does not matter how many journals you read if you cannot grasp the details of processes or simply limit them to basic descriptions. In practice the are parameters & dynamics of all systems that require understand with the various stages & degrees of differences as well as logical conclusions equated with the reality & processes of those degrees. Rigidity to basic nomenclature or semantics without understanding also that individuals can have compromised systems for a variety of reasons & idealized levels & functions are not the same for everyone. You’re entitled to your opinions but as far as I’m concerned they’re irresponsible.

  64. James says

    J,

    If you think Chris is wrong then why don’t you write your own blog article describing what you think is the truth and let us address it rather than simply attacking Chris with vague comments.

    For example, you state “Cellular “acidosis” happens as the blood is regulated by production of bicarbonate & acidity is dumped in the cells from the blood”. Where do you think the acidity comes from? Acidic hydrogen protons are formed routinely WITHIN the cells as the normal part of cellular metabolism. So why would the acid have to be “dumped in to the cells” when the acid is formed in the cells? Secondly, using a little common sense why would the blood be acidic in the first place if the blood is dumping the acids in to cells, which would mean that the acids would no longer be in the blood to be measured?

    J: “or the effects where various pathogens may exist & proliferate”

    Again, if you think anyone is wrong then present your evidence with details. You are guilty of what you are bashing Chris over: “To simplify & not correctly describe the terms shows ignorance on your part. Does not matter how many journals you read if you cannot grasp the details of processes or simply limit them to basic descriptions.”

    Remember that most people don’t have biochemical degrees so make sure you explain it in terms the average person can understand so they can review your statements. Anyone can sound scientific and still not have a clue what they are talking about. For example, not realizing that acidic protons are produced in cells as part of cellular metabolism rather than being dumped in to cells. Or the fact that acidity is primarily controlled by respiration, not bicarbonate.

  65. Observer says

    I just observed how some commentators just so bad don’t want people to think that alkaline diet is healthy for the human body.

    I sometimes believe that some commentators work for pharmaceutical companies, or just get paid for it. I am sure those people exist! (where would pharmaceutical get income if people were healthy?)

    - Please provide first evidence that acidic nutrition is Healthy

    - best is, feed yourself with acidic nutrition for a whole year and come again

    Fact is that my fish cannot survive in acidic water in my aquarium.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      There is no such thing as “acidic nutrition”.

      Fact is, many fish do just fine in slightly “acidic” water. Values between 6 and 8 are ideal, which is a range of equal distance to either side of neutral. Below a pH of 4.5, (2.5 degrees more acidic than neutral) natural bodies of water are essentially devoid of fish. Scary.

      Fact is: Alkaline water can kill adult fish and invertebrate life directly and can also damage developing juvenile fish. It will strip a fish of its slime coat and high pH levels ‘chaps’ the skin of fish because of its alkalinity.

      When the pH of freshwater becomes highly alkaline (2.5 degrees more alkaline than neutral), the effects on fish may include: death, damage to outer surfaces like gills, eyes, and skin and an inability to dispose of metabolic wastes. High pH may also increase the toxicity of other substances. For example, the toxicity of ammonia is ten times more severe at a pH of 8 than it is at pH 7. It is directly toxic to aquatic life when it appears in alkaline conditions.

      Either extreme is dangerous… and that’s why the human body controls pH through BREATHING.

    • James says

      Observer: “I just observed how some commentators just so bad don’t want people to think that alkaline diet is healthy for the human body.”

      Nobody ever claimed that. If people paid attention to what they are reading and what has been said they would find that nobody has said an “alkaline diet” is not good for you. What is being pointed out is that there is no such thing as an alkalizing diet since 1. diet has little influence on pH and 2. the body maintains a tight control on pH REGARDLESS of what you eat.

      This is not even close to saying that an “alkaline diet” is not healthy. Even though there is no such thing as an alkalizing diet, the so-called “alkaline diet” being promoted is full of nutrient rich foods instead of empty calories.

      Observer: “I sometimes believe that some commentators work for pharmaceutical companies, or just get paid for it. ”

      I am so tired of listening to this bogus paranoid comment being made every time someone discusses some form of quackery in holistic medicine. I just posted this on Markus’ video in response to some other paranoid poster:

      “Just because someone points out some type of quackery in the holistic field this does not mean they are agents of the pharmaceutical companies. That is as stupid of a reasoning as saying that if someone bashes polyester clothing that they must be working for the hemp clothing industry.”

      Observer: “Please provide first evidence that acidic nutrition is Healthy”

      Do you realize that you are made up of amino ACIDS and fatty ACIDS primarily? And that your body is held together with hyaluronic ACID? Or that your cells need citric, malic and pyruvic ACIDS for cellular energy production? Or that carbonic ACID maintains our circulation, protects us from highly alkaline and toxic ammonia, is needed for the production of stomach acid and the production of uric acid, which one of the primary antioxidants for the body? Or that the body uses glucuronic ACID for detoxification?

      I can go on and on and on with my list. The fact is that we cannot survive or even exist without the number of beneficial acids that make us up, allow us to function and keep us healthy.

      Observer: “Fact is that my fish cannot survive in acidic water in my aquarium.”

      You don’t know much about fish do you? Different fish have different pH requirements. Discus for example do need slightly acidic water. And over alkaline water will kill all fish.

      But we are not fish anyway so your comment is irrelevant.

  66. Paleo Huntress says

    When you ask someone for evidence of their claims that their diet is the best diet, they invariably trot out trials comparing their whole-food diet of choice, to the Standard American Diet, and then proceed to behave as though the SAD represents every omni diet everywhere.

    It doesn’t.

    One behavior that never fails to rankle me is the assignment of absolute cause where there is none– and some of the ridiculous statements that come out of buying into that mythology. For example, how many times has one of us read something written by someone who is supposed to be an expert in nutrition, similar to the following,

    “… better lipid profiles than those eating the Western diet, based on red meat and saturated fat…”

    It is repeated ad nauseum by vegan gurus, their followers and even in scientific literature by many omni “experts”… One would expect then that if this is true, that the bulk of the calories in the Western Diet [SAD] come from red meat and saturated fat… Makes sense, right? But the fact is that according to the USDA’s Profiling Food Consumption in America Report, the SAD gets the bulk of its calories from plant foods, primarily grains/starches, sugar and plant fats. Meaning, THESE FOODS are what the SAD is actually based on– and not meat, especially red meat and saturated fat.

    Fast forward to the newly health-conscious person, looking for a healthier diet– and they’ve been seeing posts in FaceBook and at weight loss forums and on the news and in YouTube all talking about the health benefits of cutting out meat! And they think, “That must be the answer, so that’s what I’ll do. I want to be healthier and meat isn’t healthy so I’ll remove it from my diet because I want to be healthy.” <–[healthy user bias in the making]

    In doing so, they join some vegan forums, buy a few books from vegan gurus and start reading about the difference between a WFPB diet and a junk-food vegan diet… and they realize, removing the meat isn't enough if they’re still eating Twinkies and drinking soda. Any successful vegan will tell you that vegan junk-food will make you fat and sick just like omni junk-food.

    (But wait– 3/4 of the calories in the SAD are already “vegan” and a good part of that IS vegan junk-food, ie: processed grains, breads, white flour, pasta, sugar, vegetable oil, potato chips, soda…)

    So, the newly health-conscious person revamps their entire diet. They remove all grain or replace processed versions with whole grain version and maybe even soak/sour it to optimize nutrition. They cut out refined sugar, refined oil, white flour, artificial colors, preservatives and sweeteners, they may quit smoking or drinking– and they start eating fresh produce, drinking plain water or green tea, perhaps they start a fitness program, make it a point to get plenty of sleep, implement stress reduction practices like meditation… etc.. and in a month or two, like magic, they are RENEWED! And it shows! Brighter, more energetic, leaner… improved risk factors, etc…

    So you say to them, “You look great! What’s your secret?!”

    And their answer?

    “I stopped eating meat, I went vegan.”

    Right.

    Fact is that making the switch to whole foods and a healthier lifestyle causes the SAME improvements in both omnis and vegans, but omnis know it was the change to whole foods and the commitment to fitness and relaxation that is responsible, and most vegans are operating under the illusion that it was the removal of meat.

    Vegans, if it was the removal of meat that was responsible for your improved health, there would be no fat or diseased junk-food vegans… ever.

    Then there is the “Eat Right for Your Type Diet”:

    The MOST common blood type is type O, across ALL primary ethnicities. What is recommended for Type O?

    • Thrive on lean meats and vegetables.
    • Eat moderate (smaller) proportions.
    • Avoid Always (consider as poison) -Carbohydrates (breads and pastas), Refined Sugars, ALL Dairy, Grains (primarily wheat and corn, which inhibit insulin metabolism).
    • Requires efficient metabolism to stay lean and energetic. Avoid Grains, breads, legumes, beans, nuts, but especially gluten (found in wheat) to ensure weight loss.
    • Responds best to stress with intense physical exercise

    (Looks pretty paleo too, doesn’t it? lol Yeah, I’m biased.)

    Anyway, this is the diet being prescribed to the LARGEST segment of the population that chooses to give the ‘Eat Right for Your Type’ diet it a try. And what do you know, the majority of those who do, swear by it! But is it because they’ve matched their diet to their blood type or because what is prescribed for the majority of the world’s population (type O) is a whole food diet, high in fresh produce, low in grains and legumes, devoid of sugar, and processed foods… and having more intense activity to boot? Hmmmm…

    Fact is that making the switch to whole foods and a healthier lifestyle causes the SAME improvements in ALL blood types. But whole-food omnis know it was the change to whole foods and the commitment to fitness and relaxation, and most blood-type-dieters are operating under the illusion that it was eating right for their “type” that made the difference.

    Eat Right For Your Type dieters: If it was the “eating right for you blood type” that was responsible for your improved health, it would work for EVERYONE, regardless of blood type, and it doesn’t. Many type As especially, complain that they’re fat, stressed out and tired on their vegetarian, Type-A diets.

    Moving on:

    And finally (for this rant), there is the Alkaline Diet-

    This current debate about pH and all of the claims by those who swear (and I believe them) that they’ve seen tremendous improvement in their health and the health of others by following an “Alkaline Diet” falls into this category too.

    The following is a list of things to avoid (acidifying) on the Alkaline Diet- Pay special attention to the bolded items-

    Sugar, Cow’s Cheese, Homogenized Cow’s Milk, Ice Cream, Meat, Caffeine, Tobacco, Wheat (including flours, pastas and pastries), Corn Oil, Trans-fatty acids, Hydrogenated fats, Junk/Processed foods, Fizzy drinks/soda, Peanuts and Cashews (legumes), ALL GRAINS are acidifying, but the worst areWhite Rice, Corn, Oats, Rye, and barley, Potatoes, Condiments, Wine, Soy cheese/milk, table salt.

    The following is a list of things to consume (alkalinizing)-

    Goats milk/cheese, Whey, Spinach, Zucchini, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Eggplant, Pumpkin, Collards, Salad Greens, Berries, Dates, Figs, Papaya, Cherries, Bananas, Peaches, Pineapple, Almonds, Cold-water Fish (on occasion), Herbs & Spices, Olive and Flaxseed Oil, Some Fruits (Lemons, Lime, Grapefruit, Watermelon, Tomato, Avocado), Quinoa, Sprouts, Dips like-hummus/tahini/guacamole) sea salt etc.

    What is the MOST OBVIOUS difference between what is allowed and what is not? The diet eliminates ALL processed foods with the exception of a couple of “essential oils” and “whey”. It also eliminates (or severely limits) most grains and legumes along with the meat. The person who follows an alkaline diet is following a whole food diet, possibly for the first time in their lives– it will be lower-calorie and significantly more densely nutritious than their previous diet.

    Alkaline Diet dieters: If it was the “eating of an Alkaline Diet” that was responsible for your improved health, it would produce better outcomes than whole food omnis eating more “acidic” diets, and it doesn’t. Whole food omnis know it was the change to whole foods, and most Alkaline Diet-dieters are operating under the illusion that it was is the “alkalinity” of their new diet (real or imagined), compared to the acidity of their former diet (real or imagined) that made the difference.

    Good health is about eating WHOLE FOOD. Vegan dieters get healthy because of the switch from processed food to whole food. Paleo/Primals get healthy because of the switch from processed food to whole food. Eat Right for Your Type Dieters get healthy because of the switch from processed food to whole food. Alkaline Diet dieters get healthy because of the switch from processed food to whole food.

    NEWS FLASH!!! Every whole food diet is a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the American Standard Diet!! Showing that your favorite diet out-performs the SAD isn’t saying very much. Switch to whole food and then tweak until you find what works best for you and understand that your whole food diet is no better or worse than anyone else’s whole food diet if it’s working.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      EDIT: In case you’re reading this at Chris’ site and not as an email notification, the original post used HTML tags to signify the beginning and ending of a “rant”, but it seems the formatting eliminated them as invalid tags when it posted. My apologies to anyone who isn’t aware that they’re walking into a rant.

  67. Debra says

    As an interstitial cystitis patient, I beg to differ with you, Chris!
    The acid/alkaline debate will continue.
    Keeping my urine alkaline is first and foremost for the health of my bladder.
    And, it’s making a huge difference in my psoriasis.
    Can you explain this is in a way that convinces me that it is something other than my alkaline diet?

    • James says

      Hi Debra,

      I know you asked Chris, but I would like to answer you since I am very familiar with interstitial cystitis (IC) and psoriasis. And there is a common denominator between both of these.

      IC is the result of damage to the bladder wall, which can occur for several reasons. IC for example can be caused from over distention of the bladder and there is also evidence that bacterial infections can also lead to IC.

      Either way the wall of the bladder needs structural proteins to maintain health of the wall. One of the primary components of these structural proteins is ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

      Another role of ascorbic acid is supporting the adrenal glands, which get priority of ascorbic acid over the entire rest of the body. This also means that if there is not sufficient ascorbic acid present the adrenals will get priority while the other tissues can become deficient leading to a loss of structural proteins.

      As an example of this to understand the concept better look at methamphetamine addicts. Ever see how rapidly they look aged in their skin and how they tend to lose their teeth? The reason is that the methamphetamine severely taxes the adrenals increasing the requirement of ascorbic acid by the adrenal glands. Areas of the body such as the skin and bone become deficient in ascorbic acid leading to a decline in levels of structural proteins leading to wrinkles and tooth loss.

      Also keep in mind that IC is an inflammatory condition. The suffix “itis” as in interstitial cystitis means “inflammation of. Inflammation in the body is controlled by the corticosteroids released by the adrenal glands. Therefore, weakened adrenal glands lead to increased inflammatory responses in the body.

      Psoriasis is an inflammatory condition classified as an autoimmune disorder, which involves adrenal dysfunction. In short the adrenal glands regulate the production of the specificity of antibodies. When the adrenals are working properly the body produces primarily high affinity antibodies that are more specific to their antigen targets. If the adrenals are not functioning properly then the body can start producing what are known in medicine as low affinity or “autoantibodies” that are involved in the pathogenesis of autoimmune disorders.

      Therefore, part of the answer to your question has nothing to do with whether the blood or tissues are acid or alkaline. The so-called “alkaline diet” is richer in nutrients such as ascorbic acid and flavonoids that support not only the formation of structural proteins but also adrenal function, which reduces inflammation in both conditions.

      Another component to how the so-called “alkaline diet” helping with your psoriasis is that there is an imbalance between two of the body’s chemical messengers in the body known as cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) and cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP). Normally cAMP is dominant, but in psoriasis the cGMP, which stimulates the cellular proliferation in psoriasis is dominant. The so-called “alkaline diet” is not only higher in anti-inflammatory fatty acids, it is also higher in a flavonoid that blocks the enzyme cyclic adenosine monophosphate phosphodiesterase (cAMPPDE). Blocking cAMPPDE leads to an increase of cAMP restoring the balance between cAMP and cGMP therefore helping with the psoriasis.

      None of this has anything to do with alkalizing the blood, which is already maintained in an alkaline state.

      James

  68. says

    There appears to be an important element missing in the discussion (alkaline-producing diets).

    I think James and Huntress allude to, or infer that our bodies are complex biochemical systems, subject to, or responsive to various nutrients, chemicals, medications etc.

    However, as Dr Herbert Benson (Harvard) explains:

    “We now have scientific proof that the mind can heal the body.

    This means that you have the innate ability to self-heal diseases, prevent life-threatening conditions, and supplement established drug and surgical procedures with mind body techniques that can improve your physiology, biochemistry, brain functioning, and genetic activity.”

    I believe those who argue for alkaline-producing diets, and the efficacy thereof, have a valid argument, based on Benson’s research. It is our attitude to our diets that matter most — coincidentally those on junk food diets will likely hold correspondingly poor attitudes to health. However a poor diet does not preclude people remaining well.

    The important thing is that those in trouble be given ample encouragement to engage an alkaline-producing diet … if nothing else to minimize extraneous or complicating factors on the path to regain health.

    I recall that the Simonton Instute in California advocates a raw food diet for their cancer patients (which by its nature will be majority alkaline-producing). But they also focus on mind, meditation, belief-systems etc.

    So despite all the technical detail about which chemicals do what and how, it is secondary to the relationships and attitudes people hold. My suggestion is to start there (beliefs, meditation, expectations) and supplement with raw food or majority alkalizine-producing foods.

    Personally, in the past when ill I found great benefit in occasionally engaging a highly alkaline-producing diet. But I don’t get too worried about being overly strict in that regard. In my experience, a negative attitude, stress and related emotional states have a far greater detrimental effect upon one’s health.

    A corollary of the above idea that mind can heal the body: the body is a fluid, cooperative system that responds to our deepest and most intimately-held beliefs, attitudes and expectations … e.g. affecting how we metabolize food; inducing allergies in order to highlight unfavourable conditions in our environment (emotional and physical) etc.

    • Dennis says

      A good and accurate comment of which I will back up 100%.

      I will also mention that, not only the mind can heal and prevent disease but the actual cause of disease begins in the mind.

      Having taught and practiced this concept for 40+ years, I have found though, that it can be difficult to heal diseases solely by thought, since it may not be easy to know, exactly what negative thinking pattern caused the particular disease in question.

      So I agree. Work on ANY negative thinking, attitude or emotions AND improve the diet.

      • says

        Hi Dennis

        I agree with you that “not only the mind can heal and prevent disease but the actual cause of disease begins in the mind.”

        I was reluctant to say as much … those in trouble (e.g. with cancer) are under enough stress, let alone adding the idea that they caused the cancer (via whichever beliefs, emotions, choices etc) in the first place.

        Which is to say, stay focused on health, and let go the need for analysis of what caused the problems in the first place as that is largely irrelevant when ill. Going forward is the key (visualisation of wellbeing, what you will hear from friends and family etc) is crucial. (There’s some research in the field of quantum science that shows we choose which past we experience, based on present choices — i.e. the past does not “cause” the present, so it’s a “waste of time” to look there for the solutions to how to be well)

      • James says

        Dennis: “I will also mention that, not only the mind can heal and prevent disease but the actual cause of disease begins in the mind.”

        Yes, the mind can cause illness. These are called psychosomatic illnesses. But this does not mean that all diseases are caused by the mind. Most diseases are caused from pathogens. Stress, and nutritional deficiencies though can weaken the immune system though making us more prone to the effects of these pathogens.

        • Dennis says

          James. You are incorrect. You’re missing the bigger picture. Please be careful about giving out misinformation.

          • James says

            Dennis,

            I am not incorrect, which is why you responded without proof to your claim I am wrong.

            I have heard all the anti-germ theory propaganda. But in those cases it is also the same where people cannot back their anti-germ theory claims. They just read the bogus propaganda somewhere and take it as the gospel.

            • Dennis says

              James, Please read these words carefully and if you do not get it then keep pondering them until you do.

              “There is nothing in manifestation that is not created by thought.”

              I could get into much more detail of the exact process of how this works but if one’s level of attunement does not allow them to understand, then no amount of explaining will help.

              • says

                Hi Dennis

                I’m not familiar with who wrote or said that “There is nothing in manifestation that is not created by thought”

                In any event, many interpret the “thinking” and :thought” differently.

                In my work I explain beliefs involve thoughts, emotions, expectations, faith etc.

                • Dennis says

                  Steaphen;

                  For most practical purposes, they can be considered as the same.

                  It’s just that [thoughts, emotions, expectations, faith etc.] are what we become aware of after they spring from the original impulse of energy which is a thought.

              • says

                I should add, I agree with the thrust of the statement. I understand such use of the word “thought”, e.g. like Sir James Jeans

                ‘The universe looks more and more like a great thought rather than a great machine.”

                Some however may misinterpret the quote, as implying that mere wishful thinking is sufficient to manifest reality.

              • Paleo Huntress says

                The Native Americans weren’t decimated by thought, they were decimated by the Small Pox virus.

                While I can certainly appreciate that our minds have power and I know that the placebo effect is a very real thing, when the placebo effect is controlled for, we still find that illness, drugs and other treatments are very real and that they have very real effects all on their own.

                If you don’t believe there is anything valid in either considering or dismissing the acid/alkaline theory, what is the purpose of your contribution? Why would you even follow a medical practitioner’s blog if you believed there was nothing to the physical? And if you don’t routinely follow, why would choose this conversation to get involved in?

                Do you routinely post comments in nutrition/medicine blogs telling folks that there is no practical or physical change that they can make that would be more helpful than the mind?

                I’m not really clear on what you’re bringing to the discussion.

                I’m also not clear on how organisms that DON’T have the ability to “think” can be killed by pathogens… but that is a topic for another forum.

              • says

                Dear Paleo Huntress

                To whom are you responding?

                If me, I’m not sure what your point is.

                “there is no practical or physical change that they can make that would be more helpful than the mind?”

                Where have I implied physicality — diet etc — is not important?

                Have you read my replies earlier regarding the Simonton Institute, or my experience of benefitting from an alkalizing diet?

                I do ask (if your reply was directed at me) that you be so courteous as to not misquote me.

                As for Native Americans, you could also reference the 20+million who died during and just after WW1. Or around half the population of Europe that died due to the Black Plague. Again, what is your point? Have you evidence that poor psycho-social factors played no part in those epidemics?

                • says

                  whoops, my bad.

                  50-100 million dead from the Influenza epidemic of 1918. I believe influenze of WW1 reached remote Pacific islands and the Arctic,

                • James says

                  Steaphen: “Have you evidence that poor psycho-social factors played no part in those epidemics?”

                  First of all it is not up to other people to disprove your claims. It is up to the claimant to prove their claims. People only ask other people to disprove them when they have no clue what they are talking about and cannot prove their claims. So they try to hide this fact by trying to get others to prove their negative, which is impossible. How can anyone prove that most diseases are not caused by psychosomatics when you as the claimant cannot prove they are since there is no way to prove either way?

                  Now, can social factors play a role in diseases? Of course. For example, in parts of the world where poor sanitation and poor nutrition leave people more prone to disease from PATHOGENS, not psychosomatic illnesses. Same as in nature where groups of animals can be wiped out by pathogens despite not being prone to psychosomatic illness. A great example of this was when most of Iceland’s sheep population was wiped out by sheep maedna visna virus.

                  And finally, for the last time. All this is OFF TOPIC!!! The topic is the myth of being able to alkalize the body, which is already maintained in an alkaline state. If you are not intelligent enough to realize that this is what the topic is they why would anyone take any of your off topic rantings serious? If you want to discuss your claims about psycho-social influence on disease then go find a blog article or forum on the topic and rant away where people would love to argue your claims. But this is not the place or the topic of this blog.

                • says

                  Hi James
                  Nice try.
                  The information I provide is related to the topic of this blog, insofar as you’re promoting your opinion that alkaline-producing diets have no or little efficacy, despite evidence that people can and do benefit. Your opinion is based on an incorrect understanding of human physiology and biochemisty. As Dr Herbert stated, mind can change one’s biochemistry. So by all means continue your “rant” how various bits and pieces do whatever, but until you combine your biochemistry with the underlying psycho-social causes of that biochemstry, you’re argument is not grounded in good science.

      • says

        Hi Dennis

        I was quite ill about 25 years ago. Seriously ill. All sorts of tests were conducted: medical specialists conferred, discussed, oohed, and ahhhed.

        To this day I’m not entirely sure what caused the illness (if anyone has seen or read Anatomy of an Illness, by Norman Cousins you’ll have nearly a word-for-word description of my experience and diagnosis. Yes, almost completely locked up, pain, immobile, jaw locked shut etc. Coincidentally — only becoming aware years later — I did basically the same as he did: Raw carrot-apple juices, fresh salads, high ascorbic acid (Vit. C) intake, peaking around 90,000mg a day AND … an analysis of my beliefs, emotions, expectations etc).

        What became crucial was staying immensely focused on regaining wellness. In my experience dwelling on what might have been the cause was hugely counter-productive to my progress towards my then-future wellness.

        btw like Cousins I’ve been diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis/HLA-B27 genetic marker. That only sharpens my focus to what I must do to remain well, and not get mired in past causes.

    • James says

      Hi Steaphen,

      I agree with you about the mind-body connection. I eat whatever and don’t follow any particular diet and I have always been very healthy. When people question me about my diet I point out to them that stress will kill you faster than bad diet.

      On the other hand the mind-body connection was not brought up because that was not the topic of the article. The topic is the mythical alkaline diet.

      By the way, in response to your statement:

      “I think James and Huntress allude to, or infer that our bodies are complex biochemical systems, subject to, or responsive to various nutrients, chemicals, medications etc.”

      Keep in mind that it is nutrients that produce our hormones, peptides and neurotransmitters that our emotions are subjected to. We DO NOT have feelings of love, anger, calm, etc. without these chemical compounds. And there are numerous chemical reactions that must occur for the production of these compounds. So yes, the body is a complex biochemical system, subject to, or responsive to various nutrients, chemicals, medications etc.

      James

      • says

        Hi James

        Re your “We DO NOT have feelings of love, anger, calm, etc. without these chemical compounds”

        You are welcome to that belief.

        It is not too difficult to show that mind transcends space-time, and in a very real sense, is in part non-physical, and independent of physicality (including chemicals, hormones etc).

        to be more specfic, correct solutions to Zeno’s Paradoxes reveal that reality is discontinuously physical, riding deeper interconnecting non-physical systems and connections.

        more at http://beliefinstitute.com/article/correct-solutions-zenos-paradoxes

      • says

        James

        Taking into account delayed-choice experimental data, the various interpretations of quantum fact, e.g. Consistent histories, MWI, and others, I fully concur with this quote of Jane Roberts:

        “A sudden contemporary belief in illness will actually reach back into the past, affecting the organism at that level, and inserting into the past experience of the cells the initiation of those biological events that will then seem to give birth to a present disease.

        In the current pivoting of its experience, therefore, your conscious mind directs not only the present, but future and past experience of deep neurological events.”

        We can accept these sorts of ideas, when we realize that all times exist at-once in the unlimited “fullness” of now, and any ideas to the contrary involve fundamental disconnects that are nonsensical, irrational and cannot be credibly argued.

      • says

        Hi James

        In response to your “On the other hand the mind-body connection was not brought up because that was not the topic of the article. The topic is the mythical alkaline diet.”

        In view of the fact (scientific proof) that mind can heal (change the biochemistry of) the body — the biochemical ‘facts’ that you have amply cited (in support of the argument that the alkaline diet is myth), are also “myth”: they are not “facts” totally independent of the subjects mind, beliefs, emotions.

        It is helpful to encourage the belief in the efficacy of an alkaline-diet while also bringing attention to their beliefs and expectations. It is not for nought that successful natural healing regimens go raw (food) and at the same time focus on beliefs, stress, meditation etc.

        A belief in a mechanical (biochemical) universe, which I sense is your world-view, can be shown to engender dis-ease — it necessarily requires (and is openly stated) that we are victims to random, chance events (mutations). That is perhaps the most pernicious, debilitating, disempowering belief ever perpetuated on the human race.

        All is interdependent, and we are far more knowing, intuitive and connected than any science can ‘measure’ or objectify. And, fortunately, that will remain the case. There’s a fullness to life that science can’t and won’t ever get to fully measure, dissect, or objectify (that conclusion easily follows from consideration of the literal meaning of the “infinite” which interconnects and underlies all life).

        • James says

          Steaphen,

          Just because something can happen does not mean it will happen. Yes, the mind can affect the body. I gave an example with psychosomatic illnesses. Bit this is not a major cause of illness for a simple reason. For psychosomatic illnesses to occur the person must be suggestible. A simple example of this is hypnosis. Not everyone can be hypnotized because the person must be suggestible to be hypnotized.

          For the mind to affect the body the person must also have a strong enough belief. For example the placebo effect, which I have personally seen. But again, this will not work with everyone.

          Diseases can have very real causes such as pathogens or injuries. You cannot just think these away.

          • says

            Hi James

            “I gave an example with psychosomatic illnesses. Bit this is not a major cause of illness for a simple reason.”

            over 30 years of solid, extensive research by Sir Prof. Michael Marmot and others confirms psycho-social factors are the major determinants of disease.

            factors such as genetics, smoking, pathogens account for around 25% of the cause — but even that figure will go down when they do more research on the prevailing beliefs and expectations of those afflicted.

            You are welcome to stick with (what I sense is your) mechanical universe views, but teaching that world-view to others will and does cause harm, by disempowering their ability to create a better reality, independent of the ‘facts’.

            • says

              “In the age of the genome and high-tech medical care, thinking about health typically turns to biology and technology. The discovery of how important control and participation are for health leads in a different direction: to the circumstances in which we live and work.”

              and

              “The key (to good health) lies in that most important organ, the brain. The psychological experience of inequality has profound effect on body systems”
              [source; Michael Marmot, "The Status Syndrome"]

            • James says

              Steaphen: “factors such as genetics, smoking, pathogens account for around 25% of the cause ”

              Not even close to being true, but again, this IS NOT the topic of the blog article so no need to continue addressing this misinformation.

              • says

                Extensive research conducted by Dr Michael Marmot during the 1990’s on British Civil Servants, found that the usual physical, life-style suspects in causing disease (smoking, diet, lack of physical exercise, obesity, heredity) accounted for around one quarter of the causes.

                As Professor Emeritus Len Syme of University of California explained, “those factors explain something like 25% – 35% of the gradient, but the rest is unexplained by those factors.”

                This information is related to the topic of this blog, insofar as you’re purporting to establish fact versus “myth”, but have yet to provide a credible basis for your beliefs (beliefs that are not congruent with the dominant psycho-social causative factors of good health and wellbeing).

          • says

            Hi James

            “Diseases can have very real causes such as pathogens or injuries. You cannot just think these away.”

            I think it would behoove you to state that “I cannot just think these away”.

            You are in no position to state what others can do.

            Besides, I’ve not inferred it is merely a matter of ‘thinking away’ disease — it is far deeper, and emotional than mere thought.

            The whole of society is in a placebo reality of being victims to ‘chance’ mutations. So from that base, yes, most can’t just think away their illnesses. There are deep cultural beliefs that need to be addressed, before we will see more people naturally healing themselves, sans medications, radiation therapies etc.

            Part of my work is to undermine (supersede) the superstitions of modern science — that we are victims to external influences, independent of our beliefs.

            A simple example: a person develops a strong belief in wellness — they will either intuitively avoid said pathogens, or prevail by changing the damaged biochemistry to heal their bodies.

            • says

              Correction: “Besides, I’ve not inferred it is merely a matter of ‘thinking away’ disease” should have read “Besides, I’ve not implied it is merely a matter of ‘thinking away’ disease …”

        • Dennis says

          Steaphen,

          We are clearly on the same page, although I do believe that science will catch up to the “higher knowledge” of Truth, eventually, in maybe 100 – 300 years, [just a guess], or at least come very close.

            • Dennis says

              Steaphen,

              I did have a qualification that I forgot to mention. These future scientists will have to be have to have fully unified consciousness.

              Having said that, I do realize that science will still have to fall just short, maybe.

              • says

                Hi Dennis

                If by science you mean strictly objective approaches: tools, analysis and measurable confirmation, then no, not ever, not even close (due to never being able to ‘ratio’ — stand apart from, the infinite).

                But when they develop a unified consciousness, as you put it, then they’ll “feel” the insideness to things, life, events, and know their genuine nature, without seeking to fully measure, reason and objectify reality.

                I like this quote from Jane Roberts:

                “(Einstein) was able to listen to the inner voice of matter. He was intuitively and emotionally led to his discoveries. He leaned against time, and felt it give and wobble.”

                Like many great scientists, artists and entrepreneurs — they “feel” the inside nature of business, ideas, life, and intuitively find their way forward, for wonderful benefit.

                • Dennis says

                  Steaphen; I can’t argue with your first comment.

                  I remember when I first heard that about Einstein back in the 70s. I thought it was super interesting. He first intuited the concepts then set out to prove them.

                  Science of the future will be occult or esoteric science of which I consider myself a scientist of.

        • says

          Hi James

          Perhaps I should explain more … there was an ancient belief that the world rested on an enormous tortoise (or on Atlas’s shoulders, same diff).

          As explained in in Stephen Hawking’s “A Brief History of Time”, this exchange occurred after a lecture by Bertrand Russell on astronomy:

          “… a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: “What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.” The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, “What is the tortoise standing on?” “You’re very clever, young man, very clever,” said the old lady. “But it’s tortoises all the way down!”

          As physicist Max Planck explained: “… I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”

          We can’t ever get behind consciousness. We can’t get below the bottom tortoise. We can’t get outside the infinite.

          IN fact, the words “reason” and “rational” upon which science is based, is from the Latin root “ratio”. We cannot get “outside” of that which extends everywhere, in order to be ‘rational’ or reasonable about ‘it’.

          Science won’t (while restricted to limiting reason), ever get ‘outside’ in order to objectify life.

          • says

            more is explained here http://beliefdoctor.com/the-modern-superstitions-of-science-and-religion.html

            primarily, people will continue to hold a mechanical universe (physical cause-effect) world-view because of short-term expediency, immaturity/ignorance and greed.

            As physicist, Dr Bernard Haisch explains:

            “… the Leggett inequality that was recently measured … rules out any possible interpretation other than consciousness creates reality when the measurement is made.”

            And by measurement, he means when we make a choice and experience reality — every moment we are creating the world we experience. Put differently, the world we experience “pivots” on our beliefs. (an enhanced Many Worlds Interpretation, aka a holodynamic systems view means everything to the minutest detail is tied to our beliefs)

  69. Dennis says

    Steaphen,

    “[Some however may misinterpret the quote, as implying that mere wishful thinking is sufficient to manifest reality.]”

    It’s good you clarified that. Yes, if one wants to consciously manifest..what they want, then usually, it has to be directed with intent and power in a specific way.

    Here is a fun fact of a practical nature, for anyone that still may be reading our conversation.

    There are exceptions, but usually cancer is manifested over a long period, like good part of one’s life created by a very specific type of thought. Conscious or subconscious.

    Let’s say someone has a 4″ inoperable tumor.

    Theoretically, you, me and our friend James could get together, and with a coherent and unified mental technique, we could dissolve that tumor in a few minutes and it won’t matter what the patient is thinking or believing.

    This, of course, is using the natural law of “energy follows thought” or what we put our attention on, energy increases in that area. Distance is not a factor.

    This is being done today and I believe will be one THE health care procedures of the near future.

    Since this does take some skill, I always refer people with cancer to one or two doctors that are using lifestyle improvement and nutrition to systematically eliminate their cancer.

    • says

      Hi Dennis,

      I disagree with you about “we could dissolve that tumor in a few minutes and it won’t matter what the patient is thinking or believing.”

      There’s a fundamental violation of personal reality, if that were true.

      Years ago I enjoyed reading many Seth books, and one idea that is again and again affirmed, is that no one is subject to, or victim to unconscious forces over which they have no control. Ever.

      Here’s the thing: if we can heal people without their consent or agreement, we can also harm them (with “thoughts”).

      That violates some very deep, and irreduciable principles of holodynamic systems principles. The validity and strength of the whole rides directly on the validity and the strength of each part within creation.

      So you may help heal others, but it will always be in concert with the volition, desires and permission of the recipient.

      • Dennis says

        Steaphen,

        I stand…….I mean…. I SIT corrected.

        I neglected that crucial point. We have to get permission.

        My niece has schizophrenia and before her mother, father and other uncles could use the technique I developed for her, I visited her in the hospital specifically to get her permission for us to help her.
        That was not easy for me to do. I loath hospitals. That environment will kill you faster than almost anything.

        • says

          Hi Dennis

          I wholeheartedly agree — hospitals are no place for sick people. lol

          There are a few exceptions — when the body is broken (e.g. broken limbs) or has suffered severe trauma, they do serve a highly valuable service.

          But for illnesses, no, hospitals are not the best option for those seeking wellness. If you read Norman Cousins’ book “Anatomy of an Illness” he had to check himself out of hospital, and rent a hotel room, in order to recover. That’s not to deny reality — that many recover while in hospital, but that’s more due to the rest, nurturing and encouragement of staff, family and friends, than standard medical practices.

          • Dennis says

            Good. Once again. Your comment allows us to give a more complete picture of the truth.

            One of my long standing “lectures” to people as to, ‘how to keep your immune system functioning optimally’,…….I say, you must, if at all possible, stay away from these places; prisons, bars, psych wards and hospitals.

            I’m not a bio-chemist but I’m quite sure that the mere thinking of word ‘hospital’, will immediately cause the immune system to malfunction, [I predict you will know of some quote of someone in authority, who verify that.]

            Yes, yes yes. As I speak out against the medical establishment, In the same breath, I say to people, BUT if you have an emergency and/or you don’t know what else to do for your health situation, you have to go to the hospital.

            I think we agree. Doctors are very good for emergency situations and fairly good at diagnosing health problems, but that’s about it.

            P.S.
            That was one good thing that came out of the Civil War. It allowed doctors to learn SO much more for many emergencies than they every knew. Great on the job training that I suppose we are benefiting from, to this day.

  70. says

    Hi Paleo Huntress

    In reply to your post, date-time March 14, 2014 at 6:10 am

    “I’m also not clear on how organisms that DON’T have the ability to “think” …”

    Physicist Freeman Dyson explains:

    “Quantum mechanics makes matter even in the smallest pieces into an active agent, and I think that is something very fundamental. Every particle in the universe is an active agent making choices between random processes … consciousness is not just a passive epiphenomenon carried along by the chemical events in our brains, but is an active agent forcing the molecular complexes to make choices between one quantum state and another. In other words, mind is already inherent in every electron, and the processes of human consciousness differ only in degree but not in kind from the processes of choice between quantum states which we call ‘chance’ when they are made by electrons.”

    • says

      It is exceedingly helpful to work with a holodynamic-systems perspective. Then “it” all falls into place, and the **relative** merit and importance of pills, potions, mind and notions becomes clear.

      Downward causation limits individuals (be they electrons, viruses, or people within communities), and dysfunctional systems will ensure a corresponding effect within said systems (hence epidemics etc).

    • Paleo Huntress says

      As I wrote, a topic for another forum. I find the ideas quite fascinating, but they don’t belong here, they’re diluting the topic of this thread. I’m sure that there are many forums where this discussion would be more appropriate, and I can’t force you to take it there, but I am asking politely. Please stop.

      • says

        Dear Paleo Huntress

        As I responded to James, “This information is related to the topic of this blog, insofar as you’re purporting to establish fact versus “myth”, but have yet to provide a credible basis for your beliefs (beliefs that are not congruent with the dominant psycho-social causative factors of good health and wellbeing).

        Specifically, in your self-proclaimed ‘rant’, you say “One behavior that never fails to rankle me is the assignment of absolute cause where there is none”, and then go on to assign wholefoods as the sole reason for their wellness.

        Is it your contention that people on wholefood diets (with or without consuming organic meats etc) never get sick?

        If not, then you’ve erroneously assigned ‘wholefoods’ as the sole determinant, when obviously there are other determinants at work.

        Long story short: I largely agree with your argument that people falsedly believe their diet will ensure health, or whatever.

        I believe it is prudent for you to acquaint yourself with the facts regarding psycho-social factors, so that you can let go your need for said rants.

      • says

        Hi Paleo Huntress

        Despite appearances I largely agree with your comments.

        However, people believe what they believe for a reason.

        Simply negating people’s faith in the efficacy of one particular diet, won’t help them. They took on that belief, or faith in a particular diet, in order (most likely) to offset the highly pernicious negativity within medicine (victims to bugs in the environment etc).

        So, I think it behoves all, if you were to recognize the underlying causative factors, and thus, avoid the need to replace one partially effective belief, with another.

        Getting their psycho-social circumstances sorted out, is far and away more beneficial than arguing over which chemicals or diets do what, and how.

        Dr Herbert Benson doesn’t suggest mind can heal the body only a good day, when facing East while standing on one leg. Mind can heal the body. Period. That healing process will likely involve changing to wholefoods, or in serious illness, raw foods. But diet, according to the data I’ve seen, is not the primary determining factor in their regaining wellness. If people have no will to live, they won’t even both with that nice, raw stick of carrot, or much of anything else.

  71. says

    Hi James

    You’ve argued in this column that biochemical fact A produces physiological effect B, despite evidence that mind (psycho-social circumstances) can and does change one’s biochemistry.

    If you were to apply good science, in the form of psycho-social circumstance A was correlated with biochemcal fact B, which evidenced as physiological effect C, then you’d be a better scientist, and one worthy of commendation.

    • James says

      Steaphen: “You’ve argued in this column that biochemical fact A produces physiological effect B”

      You are right, it is a FACT. Now do you know what a “fact” is?

      Steaphen: “despite evidence that mind (psycho-social circumstances) can and does change one’s biochemistry.”

      Nobody has argued that this does not exist. I even posted on this several times in agreement with you talking about the RARE psychosomatic disorders and how social, and thus environmental, factors can influence disease through nutritional deficiencies and increased susceptibility to pathogens.

      So you either don’t understand your own ramblings as you are arguing with someone who backed your points or you are arguing over something you clearly do not understand just to argue.

      Now, once again, how about getting back on to topic of the acid-alkaline myth as the title of this blog article clearly states?

      • says

        Hi James

        Please excuse what seems to you my less than erudite ramblings :)
        My understanding and experience is Mind (cause) -> biochemstry (after-effect) -> physiology (after-after-effect).
        Question for you: what is the biochemical process of spontaneous remissions? — without your referring to superstitious explanations of chance, statistics etc — I’ll assume you’re familiar with the literal definition of supersition aka, chance.
        There’s a subtely in this thread that I think some would like addressed — your mechanical world view that disallows the enormous power of belief. Chris Kresser is not so overt with his mechanical-universe views. You are quite openly mechanically orientated, and that can (and does) great harm in the realm of natural healing methodologies.
        In my work, my colleagues assist with giving biochemical tests. But that’s to placate various sections of the community. Natural, intuitive healing methodologies don’t require them.
        That said, I accept that someone such as yourself, along with Chris and Paleo Huntress, will see my responses as ‘ramblings’, incoherent, idiotic .. whatever. Others like Dennis will be quietly agreeing, perhaps with better sense in not replying, seeing the dogmas involved that are steadfastly maintained.
        Ciao.

        • James says

          Steaphen,

          I don’t know why you have such an overwhelming urge, more like compulsive urge, to keep posting off topic despite several people asking you to stay on topic. I wonder is obsessive compulsive disorder can be psychosomatic? If so there could be help for you yet.

          But I will respond to your one question:

          “Question for you: what is the biochemical process of spontaneous remissions? ”

          There is not a singular answer to this. Can it be from someone dealing with a psychosomatic disorder? Yes, and I have experienced this personally.

          On the other hand I have also seen cases of what were referred to as “spontaneous remissions” when people simply got off their medications that were the real underlying cause of their disease/disorder.

          As an example, there was a reported case of a man who had a “spontaneous remission” from his AIDS. What people need to realize though that AIDS is not a disease, it is a syndrome. AIDS is an acronym for acquired immune deficiency SYNDROME. Even many so-called AIDS experts have no idea what a syndrome is. If they did then they would not be calling AIDS a “disease” and they would realize that AIDS has more than one cause. One of the primary causes of the syndrome AIDS are the medications given to AIDS patients. In particular AZT (zidovudine) and its analogues. AZT was invested in 1962 as a chemotherapy drug for cancer. It was not developed for AIDS as so many people incorrectly believe. AZT was found to be so deadly though that it was actually banned for human use initially. When AIDS “appeared” the drug was brought back on the market to recoup lost investments despite the fact that AZT can cause AIDS by doing what HIV cannot do, which is to completely collapse the immune system. In fact, HIV cannot cause AIDS under the original definition, which is why the definition of AIDS was changed to fit the HIV virus in the early 80s. Even the largest study ever conducted on AZT, the Concorde Study, found that the AZT shorted the lives of people testing HIV positive.

          The reason I bring all of this up is that in the case I mentioned earlier the man that had what was deemed a “spontaneous remission” recovered after he discontinued his AZT. This allowed the bone marrow destroyed by the AZT to regenerate allowing the immune system to recover. Keep in mind that ALL immune cells, including CD4 cells, start out as undifferentiated stem cells produced in the bone marrow.

          Bottom line is that not all “spontaneous remissions” involve the mind-body connection.

          Now once again, I ask you to stay on topic, which is the acid-alkaline myth, not the mind-body connection.

  72. Dennis says

    Here is a summery of the events on this blog

    [and why people should NOT listen to James if they are
    ON or considering, what is thought of as an alkaline diet]

    1] It appears that the majority of the people reading this blog are believers in the alkaline type diet as a result of experience or a feeling or intuition that it makes sense.

    2] Naturally, people have asked questions concerning alkalinity or acidity in various area of the body.

    3] It appears to me, James has accurately corrected some peoples miss understandings of alkaline and acid in the body.

    4] James has presented a number of accurate, facts of details which he has learned, in part, from scientific journals.

    5] Based on these facts, he concludes the alkaline diet is, [my word], bogus, which in a microcosmic sense, APPEARS to be true.

    6] The problem is, James and a very few others fail at understanding what most of us have EXPERIENCED and/or are able to understand, that there is a bigger picture that his facts do not and cannot address.

    7] Science and the medical establishment are not even close to understanding the body, but there has been significant progress in the understanding that, to know the TRUTH of health, diet and the body, one has to include the mind.

    8] Enter Steaphen and challenges James and discuses the mind-body connection.

    9] Enter Dennis, [me], and makes the profound, if not unbelievable statement that, not only is disease is caused by the mind but that ALL manifestation originates from MIND, [individual and/or collective. Past and/or present]

    10] When people mention that some percentage, like 25% of diseases are psychosomatic, or that stress is responsible of some diseases, that is just the conclusion of only the beginning of the understanding of the mind-body connection.

    11] The mind actually alters the biochemical functions within the cells of all the major organ systems and tissues of the body. So what we actually have a a MIND-GENE CONNECTION.

    12] Simply put. There is nothing that influences the MIND that does not influence the BODY and there is nothing that influences the BODY that does not influence the MIND.

    13] One more important clarification:
    a] Disease can be healed by way of the mind [can be easy, usually difficult]

    b] Disease can be healed by way of the body, [much easier and I suspect that when you heal this way, it is at least somewhat, the mind that is healed which in turn heals the body.

    14] So unless anyone want to discuss more details of the mind-body connection, I will TRY to end my comments on this matter since a few of you believe that it is not appropriate for this blog, although I believe there is a natural flow to any conversation, including this blog, so why try to restrict and limit that flow if we are learning? I’ve learned things, even from James.

    15] I know there are many of you that have ill will towards James and his friends. Try to check this. This is only his way of trying to help people as it is also my way.

    Thanks for listening

    • says

      Hi Dennis

      A wonderfully erudite summary, if I may say. Your ideas and profoundity are quite easily accommodated with experience, and/or a study of the extraordinary implications of quantum physics.

      And your remarks about the contributations by Chris and James are pertinent and balanced.

      I hope that some who are in trouble, physiologically, will find within your words, (and mine) some realization that solutions (beyond standard medical thinking) are available, and most importanly, that they are effective.

      In my experience, when seriously ill, a deep-seated belief in natural healing (without recourse to medications that invariably have side-effects, some as serious as the disease itself) is vitally important. An extraordinary degree of focus and confidence is demanded. It’s not a matter of wishful thinking. It requires a deep felt-analysis of one’s beliefs, and the relationships and stress that can be quite toxic, as well as (and this is the really hard part) the courage to let go those relationships, beliefs, elements that are toxic.

      Okay, that said, I’m outta here … I will say to James, Chris and others of like mind, “The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.”

      That quote, along with some very helpful background information on the Simonton Cancer Center, is at http://thesimontondocumentary.org/about_dr_simonton

      And no, I’m not associated with, or have any vested interest in the center. Never even been there, or communicated with anyone from there.

      Cheers

    • James says

      Once again we have someone attacking the messenger since they cannot attack the evidence already presented. If someone has solid evidence to the contrary then they present it. When they have no real evidence or any clue what they are talking about they instead attack the messenger trying to discredit the messenger since they cannot discredit the evidence.

      And once again I have to point out to these morons that the topic of this blog is not me but rather the myth of acid-alkaline balance. Why don’t these people stay on topic? Simple, because they have NO evidence to counter the evidence already presented. So all they can do to fill their overwhelming desire to argue is to argue off topic with THEIR belief system even if it is wrong.

      Dennis: ” It appears that the majority of the people reading this blog are believers in the alkaline type diet”

      Based on what? Did you poll all the readers of this blog to determine this or are you just assuming as usual?

      Dennis: “It appears to me, James has accurately corrected some peoples miss understandings of alkaline and acid in the body.”

      Who is “miss understandings”? Is she related to Miss America?

      Dennis: “The problem is, James and a very few others fail at understanding what most of us have EXPERIENCED and/or are able to understand”

      The real problem is that most of the people who believe the alkalize or die myth have NO clue how the body really works. For example, many alkaline supporters do not realize that all foods are metabolized in to acids. So there is no such thing as a truly alkaline food. The health benefits people get from what is referred to as an “alkaline diet’ has NOTHING to do with alkalizing since the body maintains an alkaline blood pH regardless of what we eat. The health benefits of this diet come from the higher nutrient level, including beneficial acids derived from this diet. If these people would learn how to use some common sense and do a little basic research they would realize these facts. But some people prefer to live by the “ignorance is bliss” model.

      Dennis: “Science and the medical establishment are not even close to understanding the body”

      I keep hearing this same myth being made by those who prefer to live in the dark. If people really want to be enlightened then they would pick up and read some anatomy and physiology books and look at all the research readily available on places such as PubMed so they can see how much as been learned about the body in modern times. Instead, people like Steaphen and Dennis prefer to remain in the dark ages believing that hardly anything has been learned about the human body. We have advanced so far in this field that we know of thousands of chemicals in the humans body and how they affect our function. All anyone has to do in order to realize this FACT is to spend a little time doing some simple research. They cannot do this by playing ostrich and sticking their heads in the sand.

      Dennis: “Enter Steaphen and challenges James and discuses the mind-body connection.”

      Which I acknowledged but also pointed out numerous times is off topic. Some people are just too dense to get such a simple fact though. Just like they are too dense to grasp the concept that I am not the topic of this blog either. Of course if they are so dense that they cannot grasp such simple concepts then I guess that is why they are so dense that they cannot grasp the other simple concepts already explained to them.

      Dennis: “The mind actually alters the biochemical functions within the cells of all the major organ systems and tissues of the body.”

      I can see now where some of Dennis’ confusion is coming from.

      When discussing the mind-body connection I am discussing the role of the mind in psychosomatic illnesses and the role the mind plays in countering these rare diseases,

      Dennis is expanding this topic to include the well known roles of compounds such as neurotransmitters, peptides and hormones that affect everything in the body including movement, mood, desires, pain, immunity, etc. Of course we know the functions of these various compounds because we know so much about how the body really functions thanks to modern research.

      The problem here is that some of these compounds, such as high levels of cortisol, can lead to disease in part through immune suppression. This leaves people prone to disease from pathogenic infection, which IS NOT the same thing as a psychosomatic illness. You cannot simply think away a pathogenic infection or disease caused by a pathogen such as most cancers.

  73. Paleo Huntress says

    I’m following the Cool Color diet! I used to eat Cheetos, Swedish Fish and Twinkies, but their warm color load was too much for my system and I developed diabetes, heart disease and fibromyalgia. Now I eat only cool color foods like blueberries, spinach and eggplant. I feel so much better, and my health has improved dramatically.

    If you avoid warm colored foods like Doritos, Orange Crush and Red Velvet cake and eat only cool colored foods like kale, cabbage and bell peppers, you’ll be right as rain.

    Foods from the Cool Color spectrum are best for optimum health and longevity. Just look at all of the other people eating the Cool Color Diet who’ve had so much improvement in their health. Clearly, red, yellow and orange foods cause disease while blue, green and purple foods heal it.

    /pointedsarcasm

    • finndian says

      One needs only to google your handle to see that you go from forum to forum taking the contrarian position to stir up trouble. You are the very definition of a TROLL.

      As the poster Thea tells someone on the forum where you argue that eating mercury laden fish is A-OK”

      “If you aren’t Paleo Huntress herself, you are her identical twin. So, I’m leaving the conversation here. If you want to eat fish, go for it. May you live long and prosper.”

      Troll.

      • Paleo Huntress says

        Finndian,

        I suggested you google my ID twice in this thread (do your due diligence and plug our names into a search engine and plug my ID into any search engine“,)– your superior tone over having taken my advice is a little odd. Still though, if you’re going to quote me, at the very least, quote ME and not just someone who thinks the person they’re responding to sounds like me. For example, in that same forum I myself wrote,

        “[I]f we measure the heavy metals on their own we will conclude that the fish aren’t safe to eat, but when compared to a low selenium, mercury-contaminated, plant-food (like rice), the fish would actually be safer to eat because the net value of mercury absorbed will be lower.” ~Paleo Huntress, NutritionFacts.org 9/6/2013.

        I learned about this here, in Chris’s blog. Since writing that however, I’ve learned that I misunderstood, and that the mechanism has little to do with selenium binding mercury, and more to do with mercury’s impact on our selenium levels. ~shrugs~ I’m always looking to update my understanding.

        What’s ALSO odd are your continued criticisms of the participants in this particular forum, as you appear unfamiliar with Chris’ (the author’s) position on food and nutrition in general, which suggests you don’t frequent his blog. In Chris’ podcast RHR: The Truth About Toxic Mercury in Fish, he interviews Dr. Nicholas Ralston, an expert in mercury in fish and the protective effects of selenium. In that post, we find this-

        “[M]ost people do not eat enough cold-water, fatty fish, and this is especially true of pregnant women. Concern about mercury toxicity is one of the main reasons for this. But as you’ll learn in this episode, such concerns are unfounded and not supported by the science.”

        There is also this blog post of Chris’- Is eating fish safe? A lot safer than not eating fish!

        Chris writes,

        –Selenium protects against mercury toxicity, and 16 of the 25 highest dietary sources of selenium are ocean fish
        –If a fish contains higher levels of selenium than mercury, it is safe to eat
        –Most species of commonly eaten fish in the U.S. have more selenium than mercury
        –Fish are not significant sources of PCBs and dioxins when compared to meat, dairy or vegetables
        –The benefits of eating fish regularly far outweigh the potential risks, which are negligible
        –Pregnant mothers and young children should eat 2-3 servings of oily ocean fish each week

        And this-

        Is it safe to eat fish?

        You might be surprised to learn that the answer is a resounding yes. In this article I’ll demonstrate that concerns about toxins in fish have been overblown, and that there is almost no risk associated with eating fish when a few simple precautions are taken.

        So while your tenacity is admirable, your witch-hunt leaves much to be desired since the blog-owner himself is a proponent of fish-consumption and an advocate for education on the topic.

        As for your repeated “troll” accusations, not only are they tedious, but it is a card commonly played by people who resent a well-argued, opposing position. The internet is overflowing with folks accusing those who disagree with them of being trolls. I’m a prolific poster… I post in nutrition forums a great deal… I am passionate about nutrition and often confrontational when I post (more so than I like at times) … and still, NONE of that makes me a troll.

        “Let’s define what trolling is. Trolling is when someone expresses a belief or takes action they DO NOT GENERALLY AGREE WITH [emphasis added] for the sole purpose of the negative reaction it will create. Trolling is not expressing a genuine belief or conviction.”

        “Merely because a [statement] creates strong emotional reactions does not mean the author is trolling. It may simply mean that you feel triggered by a different viewpoint. Writing “are you serious?” in response to rationally argued beliefs shows an inability to empathize with or seek to understand the perspectives of others. Labeling someone else a troll is a tool the ego uses to protect itself, and avoid change. People comfortable with their own beliefs are capable of rationally confronting the writings of those who disagree with them.” ~How Misconceptions About Trolling Threaten Society

        The pH debate is certainly James’ forte. If you’ve Googled his name, you know that he discusses the science behind it in several forums, including his own. And since you’ve googled me, you know I discuss nutrition in general in several forums as well. This is MORE than enough evidence that we are expressing genuine beliefs and convictions and are therefore not trolling. Your input on the blog topic is welcome, but you haven’t posted anything but personal attacks in weeks. Don’t you have anything better to do then scour the internet in hopes of finding ammunition you can use to build into another ad hominem? By the true definition of “troll”, it is your recent posts that are fit “the very definition” of trolling.

    • says

      Dear Paleo Huntress

      As I alluded to above, if people are on a cool-colored diet and they’re getting results, please stay out of their way as they heal themselves. Naysayers are toxic elements in such people’s lives.

      Not sarcastic, in the least.

      now, I’d better go see how to stop getting email alerts to this thread :)

      Ciao

      • Paleo Huntress says

        Steaphen,

        I think you misunderstand my intent. If we were talking about robbing a small child of the wonder of Christmas by ruining her belief in Santa, I would agree. If we were talking about robbing a homeless, crack-addict of his motivation to get clean by ruining his belief in a “god”, I would also agree.

        That isn’t what we’re doing here. People come to Chris’ blog (and others like it) to learn the truth as is evidenced by science (and some come merely to insist he’s wrong, that’s OK too)- and of course, the “truth” is arguably subjective on many levels. Still though, showing someone the REAL mechanism of their new diet, is not going to harm them. And, if they’re intelligent and openminded, it will more often than not, help them. No one is even SUGGESTING that the people here who found health and renewed vigor from their “Alkaline Diet” were imagining it… it was VERY REAL… and not because they “believed” it would happen, but rather for very basic, biological and physiological reasons. Those reasons just don’t happen to include alkalization. As I pointed out in my mythical “Cool Colored Foods Diet” comment, the people who see these results are going from a diet full of processed junk food to a diet of whole food. THIS is the healing mechanism. THIS is the important take-away.

        People don’t need mythology to make good choices, and this idea of yours (and others) that supporting the mythology somehow supports the individual, ALWAYS backfires in the end. There are densely nutritious foods in the “acid forming” category that many people will benefit from eating, but that they may be afraid to eat because they’re afraid of the dreaded “acidity” they will cause. Fear of healthy foods based on mythology is not a good thing- it is THIS that is toxic.

        Trust people to make good choices based on good information. The last thing we need to do is build a dietary house of cards– they’re fragile and temporary. Tell people the TRUTH, let them make up their own minds, and forget the nanny-state.

        If people are still seeking information on the internet, they should be prepared to have their preconceptions challenged… MANY times… over and over. That’s what’s so cool about being a seeker, you are constantly learning new things. If instead, you are already fully invested in your current ideology, then for gawd’s sake, stay away from the internet! I will not be party to repeating the myths to support your belief system– I have my own truths to honor.

        Moral of the Story: If you switched to the whole food alkaline diet from the processed food SAD, it makes perfect sense that you are healthier. Yes, it was your diet.. Yes, you really are healthier, it isn’t your imagination OR the placebo effect. No, it had nothing to do with the mythical “alkalinity” suggested by the diet’s author. No, this in no way refutes the validity of the healing power of your whole-food diet. Soldier on, and perhaps consider adding some of the nutrient-dense whole foods you’ve been avoiding out of unsupported fear. You may find your diet more satisfying and more nourishing if you do so.

        • says

          “stay away from the internet!” — seriously, did you actually mean to say that? lol

          Now, you’re welcome to your beliefs even though they conflict with research that confirms: “We now have scientific proof that the mind can heal the body.

          This means that you have the innate ability to self-heal diseases, prevent life-threatening conditions, and supplement established drug and surgical procedures with mind body techniques that can improve your physiology, biochemistry, brain functioning, and genetic activity.”

          Now please do us all a favor and go off and tell Benson (and others) he’s a dill, a dummkopf, a dunce, a dunderhead. lol

          Diet is not the primary factor in maintaining health and wellbeing. You’re welcome to push your idealogy, based in strict mechanism, which denies the wonderfully creative abilities of people.

          Remind me: what exactly is the biochemical process of spontaneous remisions?

          • Paleo Huntress says

            Do you have anything whatsoever to add to the acid/alkaline conversation? That is what THIS conversation is about. I mean really, you seem to think that your subject matter applies to any and ALL health issues, so why not go find another forum that ISN’T specifically discussing health as it relates to the pH of food? That’s not a complicated request, it’s really, REALLY simple one.

            I’m going to assume that since you flounced off to learn to “stop getting email alerts” but you continue to respond, that you found unsubscribing to be too much of challenge. I think you should think really, REALLY hard about how much you want to stop getting them… and I’m sure they will stop coming. ;-)

            Then if that doesn’t work for you, I recommend clicking the little link at the bottom of the email and turning them off directly.

            If you still find yourself challenged, you can click here too. http://support.chriskresser.com/

            • says

              “you seem to think that your subject matter applies to any and ALL health issues”

              Absolutely. 100%. No exceptions. Anything less requires irrational disconnects that cannot be credibly argued.

        • says

          There is a “hierarchy of efficacy” in terms of regaining health, and roughly speaking it is:

          1. Mind (belief-system)
          2. Raw/alkaline-producing
          3. Wholefood
          4. “SAD” (white flour, processed etc)
          5.(Supplement): exercise, physical movement

          Now, strong 1 with 4, is sufficient for maintaining health.
          Strong 1, and 2 (with 5) would be optimal for regaining health when facing serious illness.
          poor, negative-orientated 1, with 3 won’t save you.
          poor, negative-orientated 1, with 4 and no 5 … well we know that scenario.

          5. is listed as supplemental because it is not essential to life. 1, coupled with 2,3 or 4 are essential, in some form.

        • says

          btw, I am Steaphen Pirie, author of “BE and BECOME”, and “Simple Tools for Clarity, Understanding and Betterment”

          I am open about who I am (I don’t use an alias) and what I believe, and I share what I have found to be the most effective path to regaining wellness.

          I utilize the many profound discoveries of quantum physics, in conjunction with the wisdom that has been handed down through the ages by many great sages, to help people on their journeys.

          You can read more about me http://beliefinstitute.com/bio/steaphen-pirie

          • Paleo Huntress says

            I’m not interested in reading more about you. You’ve found a way to make money off of people’s disease, congratulations… you’re in good company. Clearly you have your own forums in which to discuss your woo. Please take it there.

  74. says

    James

    In response to “”Question for you: what is the biochemical process of spontaneous remissions?” you replied, “There is not a singular answer to this.”

    What evidence do you have to support that assertion?

    I agree with the following (which effectively gives a very specific singular cause):

    “A sudden contemporary belief in illness will actually reach back into the past, affecting the organism at that level, and inserting into the past experience of the cells the
    initiation of those biological events that will then seem to give birth to a present disease.

    In the current pivoting of its experience, therefore, your conscious mind directs not only the present, but future and past experience of deep neurological events.

    Cellular memory can be changed at any point. Present beliefs can insert into the past new memory, both psychologically and physically. The future is in no way predetermined on basic levels. This does not mean that the future cannot be predicted sometimes, for in practical terms you will often continue with certain lines of probability which can be seen “ahead of time.”

    Such predictions can affect the probabilities, of course, and reinforce a present line of belief. Physicians often wonder whether they should tell terminal patients of their impending deaths. There is great controversy. In some cases such a prediction can make death a fact — while its opposite can regenerate the patient’s belief in his or her own ability to live.

    No man will die simply because a physician tells him he is going to, however. No one is so at the mercy of another’s beliefs. Each individual, generally speaking, knows his challenges and overall programs, and the time of his death. But even such decisions can be altered at any time in your “now” — the entire body can be regenerated in a way that would be impossible to predict in usual medical terms.”
    [Jane Roberts, The Nature of Personal Reality.]

    • James says

      Steaphen: “In response to “”Question for you: what is the biochemical process of spontaneous remissions?” you replied, “There is not a singular answer to this.”

      What evidence do you have to support that assertion?”

      I really cannot believe that I have to explain this to you!!! I gave you TWO examples of sources of “spontaneous remissions”. Since “singular” refers to ONE, and I gave you TWO unrelated examples this shows that there is no singular cause and thus not a singular answer.

  75. Dennis says

    James.

    What an ignorant fool. You not only did not read what I said but you had to resort to behaving like an insecure child who has such low self esteem he has to resort to name
    calling to build himself up.

    Oh yes, and you made sure you corrected a misspelling and made fun of me for that. That must have made you feel really good.

    I said “It appears that the majority of the people reading this blog are believers in the alkaline type diet”

    Once again: IT APPEARS………

    Let me explain what I mean by this. I know it’s complicated.

    It means that is is my impression from reading all of the comments that the majority of people are believers in the alkaline type diet. It is pretty easy to tell based on their reactions to what you say.

    I want you to notice another thing. I referred to the “alkaline” diet as ….. “what is thought of as an alkaline diet”. The kind of diet that people often describe as alkaline.

    If you can read again, my comments, but this time with your hear OUTSIDE your ass, then you will see that I only talk about the diet that people CONSIDER alkaline. I personally don’t put much attention or alkalinity or acidity. I just know that the diet they eat is healthy.

    [people like Steaphen and Dennis prefer to remain in
    the dark ages believing that hardly anything has been learned about the human body.]

    This is ironic that you think that Steaphen and I are in the dark ages.

    I expect that you can talk to anyone on the leading edge of studying the mind-body connection and they will tell you of how little they know. There is so much more to learn. You read your scientific journals actually believing that what you read is all there is to know.

    You got to step back from your little details and get the big picture. It is ever expanding, while you are not.

    [ You cannot simply think away a pathogenic infection
    or disease caused by a pathogen such as most cancers.]

    I NEVER said or ever implied that one can just ”think away” disease.
    That was a question Steaphen asked me to clarify my comment that disease is caused by the mind, including cancer.

    You know, someone said “do not cast pearls before swine”.
    It is so obvious that you are the swine.

    In other words, it’s a waste of time trying to convince the lessor evolved and the ignorant. You will get it eventually.

    • James says

      Dennis: “What an ignorant fool. You not only did not read what I said but you had to resort to behaving like an insecure child who has such low self esteem he has to resort to name
      calling to build himself up.”

      Ironic coming from the man throwing a temper tantrum and calling me an ignorant fool.

      Dennis: “Oh yes, and you made sure you corrected a misspelling and made fun of me for that. That must have made you feel really good.”

      Sorry I hurt your feelings by joking around. I did not realize you were so sensitive. Have you had your testosterone levels checked lately?

      Dennis: ” I said “It appears that the majority of the people reading this blog are believers in the alkaline type diet”

      Once again: IT APPEARS………

      Let me explain what I mean by this. I know it’s complicated.”

      Apparently it is pretty complicated for you. I know what “appears” is and was asking how you came to your conclusion. Just because it “appears” to you that way this does not mean that it appears that way to everyone. So I was simply asking how you came to your conclusion since I see no evidence that makes it “appear” the way you saw it. Understand now, or do I need to break it down in to a simpler explanation for you?

      Dennis: “If you can read again, my comments, but this time with your hear OUTSIDE your ass”

      Wow, another childish temper tantrum all because you did not understand your own comment or my response.

      Dennis: “I NEVER said or ever implied that one can just ”think away” disease.”

      Actually you did. I know this is super complicated for you but I will do my best to explain it down on your level.

      Here is your quote:

      “9] Enter Dennis, [me], and makes the profound, if not unbelievable statement that, not only is disease is caused by the mind but that ALL manifestation originates from MIND, [individual and/or collective. Past and/or present]”

      So to start with you clearly state that “ALL manifestation originates from MIND”. In relation to what what was being discussed, which was psychosomatic illnesses and how the mind can heal them then your use of “manifestation” would clearly refer to not the manifestation of disease, but also manifestation of a cure that would require “thinking away” the disease.

      Before you try to argue this point and make even more of a fool of yourself let me now take you to your second quote:

      13] One more important clarification:
      a] Disease can be healed by way of the mind [can be easy, usually difficult]

      In other words “thinking away” the disease. Or are you now claiming that thinking is in no way involved in mind healing disease?

      Dennis: “You know, someone said “do not cast pearls before swine”.
      It is so obvious that you are the swine.

      In other words, it’s a waste of time trying to convince the lessor evolved and the ignorant. You will get it eventually.”

      Wow, two paragraphs and two more personal attacks. You clearly have a problem with being proven wrong, especially with your own words. As I pointed out earlier though stressing like that can lead to immune suppression leading to illness. Maybe you should go off an play while the grown ups who know what they are talking about talk. I would hate to see you get all stressed out over having your beliefs proven wrong and showing all your contradictions and you ending up sick.

  76. Dennis says

    I only claim to know what a healthy diet is. I don’t claim to be an expert on alkalinity and acidity.

    Here is comment by Brian that is worth copying.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Brian
    NOVEMBER 27, 2013 AT 12:12 PM
    You clearly only partially understand the way in which the body maintains it’s alkaline design. You are correct in saying that the blood pH is strictly regulated by the body it’s a life or death mechanism. Yes the Kidneys and other systems maintain this homeostasis when you consume acidic foods but you clearly lack understanding on how this wears down over time on the overall design and systems of the body. If you continue to eat acidic foods and drinks without a foundation of living alkaline forming ones, even though your body will compensate and blood will pull in bicarbonate, lungs will respire CO2, etc, over time this wears down on the entire biochemistry of the body. This is why eventually your bones will wear down. I have many testimonials of women who have reversed osteoporosis and osteopoenia following this lifestyle.
    What you are lacking understanding of is that the body is not a separate system but a connected system, it’s a holistic system. You should have a conversation with Robert Young on this he would run circles around you in a debate and has clear formulas to prove it. And years of research many people have healed cancer by supporting the alkaline design of their body instead of working against it. Over time acids are thrown into the lymphatic and other systems and fatty tissues around organs and this is what gives rise to Cancer. Yes the body must maintain it’s design but overtime if we don’t support it we will deteriorate.

    • James says

      Why is this post by Brian worth copying when it is not true?

      For example, he claims ” If you continue to eat acidic foods and drinks without a foundation of living alkaline forming ones, even though your body will compensate and blood will pull in bicarbonate, lungs will respire CO2, etc, over time this wears down on the entire biochemistry of the body. “. This simply is not true. The body maintains its pH throughout life regardless of what you eat. After all, EVERYTHING we consume, including the so-called “alkaline foods” will all metabolize in to acids in the long run. So the body is designed to deal with these acids from birth to death. And during that time the blood is maintained in a slightly alkaline state except in extremely rare circumstances.

      Next he claims: “This is why eventually your bones will wear down. I have many testimonials of women who have reversed osteoporosis and osteopoenia following this lifestyle.”

      First of all as pointed out acidosis is EXTREMELY rare, and bones are only used as a buffering source as a last resort. Therefore, buffering by the bones is significantly more rare that the already extremely rare acidosis because the body has so many other pH balancing systems that will be used before using the bones.

      In addition, osteoporosis IS NOT a loss of bone minerals and so has NOTHING to do with acidosis. Osteoporosis is the result of a loss of collagen matrix. And what is required for the production of the collagen matrix? Amino ACIDS, ascorbic ACID and orthosilicic ACID.

      Even the process of bone remodeling that keeps bones healthy requires citric acid produced by the osteoclasts.

      Next he claims “And years of research many people have healed cancer by supporting the alkaline design of their body instead of working against it.”. Once again, cancer cells have an internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells. You cannot cure cancer by alkalizing the blood. The alkalosis required would kill you much faster than the cancer.

      What people keep failing to realize with the so-called “alkaline diet” is that it is high in anti-cancer ACIDS!!! Malic acid, chlorogenic acid, tannic acid (polyphenol), etc. The diet also provides various other compounds including polysaccharides that stimulate the immune system and are metabolized in to beneficial acids. And the diet can provide other immune supporting compounds such as pantothenic acid, ascorbic acid, folic acid, selenium, etc. NONE of this has anything to do with alkalizing.

      Then he erroneously claims “Over time acids are thrown into the lymphatic and other systems and fatty tissues around organs and this is what gives rise to Cancer.”. This is complete BS!!! First of all the lymphatic system is maintained at a more alkaline level that the blood, which is already alkaline. And again, this has NOTHING to do with the formation of cancer. In fact, research has shown that when healthy cells become too alkaline they morph in to cancer cells. On the other hand if the internal pH of a cancer cells becomes acidic this kills the cancer cell.

      The primary cause of the vast majority of cancers are viral infections.

      • John Carraway says

        James – Brian’s post is right. Only the bloodstream is maintained at an alkaline pH. The rest of the body is a dumping ground for acids that haven’t been neutralized due to a diet deficient in minerals. All other explanations are bogus. There must be a source for alkaline minerals because they’re not recyclable. They are used up when acids are neutralized and excreted. Therefore the only source is the diet. You’re a victim of old school propaganda that relies on the pharmaceutical industry for answers that only mother nature can provide. However, I did like your analysis of horsetail silica, and thank you for recommending bamboo instead.

        • James says

          John Carraway: “James – Brian’s post is right. Only the bloodstream is maintained at an alkaline pH. The rest of the body is a dumping ground for acids that haven’t been neutralized due to a diet deficient in minerals.”

          This myth was already addressed in my post February 25, 2014 at 12:39 am.

          Acids in the body are dealt with in many ways. Again, respiration is the body’s primary means of pH regulation followed by the dumping or retention of hydrogen ions through the kidneys. There are even more means of pH buffering such as pH buffering by albumin, hemoglobin, bicarbonate, etc.

    • Paleo Huntress says

      Breathing wears on the biochemistry of the body?

      Right.

      So the answer is to eat an “alkalizing” diet so we can BREATHE LESS?

      Uh huh.

  77. Dennis says

    Just a thought here.

    Maybe the reason why the “conversation” has naturally moved from the alkaline & acid subject is because the details of, what is acidic or alkaline in different parts of the body, do not matter very much. What matters is the diet of fresh fruits and vegetables is a healthy one. Nothing else matters.

    Notice I said “MAYBE”. I am not stating a fact.

  78. says

    Hi James (and Paleo Huntress)

    In my experience I’ve seen too much emphasis on the biochemistry associated with ill-health. I’ve participated in health forums in which various biochemical results are analysed and discussed in detail ad infinitum, and corresponding treatment regimens discussed.

    From my experience many people get confused and become dependent on the advice of their naturopath, or physician.

    I take a much simpler, and far more effective approach — I engage the future in which one is well. That trumps any and all arguments as to what is correct or isn’t, simply because in that future, one IS well.

    Working on an intuitive level, one will seek whatever facts about biochemistry are needed, but … and it’s a big but, the way forward has to remain fluid, open to possibility, intuitively driven. It has to remain open to the power of the heart, to love, live, and literally do the impossible.

    A focus on the technical detail is like watching and waiting for the proverbial kettle to boil. It’s not how things work. There’s a cyclic rhythm to reality, and health. When giving business presentations on creativity and natural healing methodologies, on how we have to learn to let go, and trust intuition, the women in the audience typically give me a “yeah yeah, tell us something we don’t know” look – and say as much to me personally after the presentation. The guys are typically clueless and shake their heads in disbelief.

    The technical detail is important, but no where near as important as people learning to engage their intuition and heart, and connect with a beneficial future in which they are well. As I said, that trumps any and all arguments because in that future, one IS well.

    You will note I’ve not argued against any of your statements concerning the technical merit of which chemicals do what and how. You’ve insisted I’m off topic, and yet, if health is the focus, you’ve been far and away more off topic than you realize.

    Denis has tried to give you a heads-up, but away you go again, quoting technical detail. In the wider context of life, the love, the stress, the emotional dimensions, via the interactions we have with friends, lovers, family, work colleagues etc, and our relationship with the future, the technical detail is **relatively** unimportant. We don’t live in a mechanical universe. It’s responsive to our deep felt fears, desires and expectations.

    As Denis pointed out, yes there are some misunderstandings of human biochemistry voiced by Chris Kresser – based on what we presently know – that warrant correction. But unless you couch your technical detail within a deeper, holistic framework, respondents like Mary and others won’t trust you. The more you quote technical details, the less they will trust you, because you’re demonstrating you’re not intuitively engaged to provide the best advice, irrespective of the volumes of technical detail at your disposal.

    I chimed in here, to this forum, because I see the enormously detrimental results that come from seeking to mechanise life, all the while avoiding the rich emotional, spiritual dimensions that are the powerhouse of life, love and wellbeing.

    I think that’s about all I wish to say on this topic, at least at chriskresser.com. Others reading this who appreciate what I’ve written, and who want encouragement or advice, are invited to contact me through the website, beliefinstitute.com

    • Paleo Huntress says

      Yes, you’ve successfully plugged your own website and promoted your own book. Good for you.

      Bye now.

  79. Dennis says

    James.

    It might be appropriate if I just follow Steaphen’s comments and simply apologize for all offensive comments, [which may be ALL of them]

    • says

      Hi Dennis

      Mate, no worries — to take offense is to blame someone else for how you feel.

      To paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt, no one can make you feel _____________ (inferior, offended, bad etc), without your permission :)

  80. says

    For those in poor or dire health: http://lissarankin.com/9-key-factors-affecting-radical-remission-from-cancer

    “Spontaneous Remission Project put together by the Institute of Noetic Sciences, which collected over 3500 case studies published in the medical literature about people who experienced spontaneous remissions from seemingly “incurable diseases.” Most of the case studies revolved around people with Stage 4 cancers who either declined conventional treatment or were given treatment deemed by doctors to be inadequate for cure. But the Spontaneous Remission Project also includes case studies of people who had remissions from heart failure, autoimmune diseases, high a gunshot wound to the head, and HIV.

    9 Key Factors

    So what were the 9 key factors that these patients with radical remissions employed? Dr. Turner goes into much more detail about these 9 key factors in the book. In fact, each factor has its own chapter, as well as stories of how patients used these factors to participate actively in their healing journey. But here are the nine overlapping factors her research uncovered.

    1. Radically changing your diet.

    2. Taking control of your health.

    3. Following your intuition.

    4. Using herbs and supplements.

    5. Releasing suppressed emotions.

    6. Increasing positive emotions.

    7. Embracing social support.

    8. Deepening your spiritual connection.

    9. Having strong reasons for living.”

    • Paleo Huntress says

      I cannot believe that you are still posting here. You have stated twice now that you were leaving the conversation and you have returned to it each time. Is the inability to follow through with one’s convictions a side-effect of your treatment?

      You got your free plug in, now you’re just being rude. Your comments are inappropriate and off topic.

    • James says

      Steaphen: ‘So what were the 9 key factors that these patients with radical remissions employed? ”

      Chemotherapy can cause a radical remission, which is not necessarily a cure. This is not the same as “spontaneous remissions”, which is what you originally brought up and was being discussed.

      • says

        Quote (verbatim): “3500 case studies published in the medical literature about people who experienced spontaneous remissions”

        The remainder of the above is also a verbatim quote of Dr Lissa Rankin’s article. Not my words. Research. Solid, evidence based. Fact. :)

        • James says

          Steaphen: “Quote (verbatim): “3500 case studies published in the medical literature about people who experienced spontaneous remissions”

          The remainder of the above is also a verbatim quote of Dr Lissa Rankin’s article. Not my words. Research. Solid, evidence based. Fact. ”

          If these really exist then it should be easy enough for you to post let’s say 20 of these cases here for review.

          After all anyone can make claims that something exists when they don’t. So let’s see some proof that any of these cases actually exist. If you cannot provide at least 20 out of over 3500 supposed cases then everyone will know that the whole thing is just most made up BS instead of the ” Research. Solid, evidence based. Fact. ” you claim.

          • says

            No thanks James.

            I don’t intend to infringe the copyright of the good work done by Dr. Kelly Turner.

            I have (today) purchased the Kindle version.

            You’re welcome to do so, and argue your case.

            For those who might be presently suffering cancer, from what I’ve read so far, detailing some very interesting cased, I highly recommend this book.

            “Radical Remission: Surviving Cancer Against All Odds”

            (Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Remission-Surviving-Cancer-Against/dp/0062268759/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395200144&sr=8-1&keywords=radical+remission )

            • James says

              Steaphen: “No thanks James.

              I don’t intend to infringe the copyright of the good work done by Dr. Kelly Turner.”

              Let me repeat YOUR quote again:

              “3500 case studies published in the medical literature about people who experienced spontaneous remissions”

              If these were published in the medical literature then they should at least have abstracts on PubMed or somewhere on the internet where they can be linked. Supplying links to these supposed studies DOES NOT infringe on copyright. And if you read the copyright terms of PubMed you will find that many of the studies on their are public domain. Therefore, once again let’s see you supply at least 20 of these supposed over 3,500 studies you claim exist. If you only come back with more excuses then it is going to look even more like the studies never existed and you are just making up bogus claims.

              • says

                Okay, I get it. You’re saying Dr’s Turner and Rankin are quacks, frauds, charlatans …

                I’m enjoying reading the research she’s done.

                As I said, once you’ve been to all those countries (I wasn’t aware they were necessarily part of PubMed) I’ll pay attention.

                Chill. :)

                • James says

                  Steaphen: “Okay, I get it. You’re saying Dr’s Turner and Rankin are quacks, frauds, charlatans …”

                  Wow, the subconscious mind is such a wonderful thing. Look what your subconscious mind is coming up with about Turner and Rankin. Since nobody else has said anything about this it has to be your subconscious mind coming out with what you believe to be the truth.

                  I personally have not made any real opinion either way since I am still waiting for you to provide some of those 3500 medical journal published research articles you claim exist. So I guess you finally realized that they don’t really exist and thus your subconscious mind is telling you that Turner and Rankin are quacks.

                  The only way you are going to prove to your subconscious mind that they are not quacks is to actually search PubMed to see if any of this research was ever done in the first place. Then see if it was done without manipulation.

                  Don’t forget to share what you find here or everyone else will start thinking like your subconscious mind thinking that Turner and Rankin are as you put it “quacks, frauds, charlatans …”

              • says

                “Let me repeat YOUR quote again”

                ??

                For heavens sake … I quoted Dr Rankin.

                Jeez, please demonstrate you’ve got the intellectual horsepower to keep up. I mean, I can be Zen patient, but … well, really, there are limits.

                :)

              • Dan says

                Dear James, I find your comments very interesting. I’ve spent so much times taking alkalinizers and alka water prescribed by my doctor. Spending lots of money with very little improvements.

                Are you a doctor? I see you’re an herbalist but can’t understand if you are an MD. I’m curious. Thanks.

                • James says

                  Hi Dan,

                  No, I am not a doctor. I am allergic to doctors so it would be hard to work if allergic to myself ;-)

                  Actually I do avoid doctors at all costs since I will live longer that way. Last time I went to a doctor was 33 years ago. I took care of myself when I got bit by a brown recluse, when I got sideswiped by a van while on my bicycle, when I had a 107F fever from the measles and when I lacerated my liver falling on a narrow fence. So yes, I seriously do everything I can to avoid doctors.

                  I have worked in medicine for the last 35 years, starting out in allopathic medicine for 13 years. But I have seen how doctors practice medicine rather than perform medicine. So I decided to leave allopathic medicine for good and have been in holistic medicine ever since.

                  For example, I watched as an ER doctor tried to intubate a patient while the patient was awake, which is major no-no. The doctor apparently had never used a laryngoscope in his life because he had no clue how to use it properly. Long story short the doctor ended up slicing the patients throat open from the inside using the laryngoscope and they ended up suctioning a lot of blood out the patients throat.

                  In another case I had to explain to my friend’s primary doctor why she had a stroke from the medication she was on and why her blood pressure was going to around 300/200 the 60/40 a few minutes later then back up them back down…….. Her primary doctor nor her 4 other doctors could figure it out even though the answer was pretty simple.

                  Doctors killed my grandfather by giving him heparin therapy 3 times in 4 months, which induced a stroke from white thrombus syndrome. Heparin therapy is not supposed to be given more than once in a two year period or the body tries to attack the antigenic heparin derived from pig lungs forming white blood clots (white thrombus syndrome), which among other things causes strokes. But I don’t think most doctors have a clue what white thrombus syndrome is because they are taught how to treat symptoms with drugs, not what their side effects or interactions are.

                  Doctors also told my family that my grandmother had polycythemia vera, which the doctor claimed was an excess of white blood cells in his report. Polycythemia vera is considered a form of cancer involving red, not white, blood cells. And the diagnosis was not correct anyway. The doctor totally ignored things such as the high altitude she lived at and the dehydration, both of which will raise red blood cell counts.

                  My business partner’s father was killed from an overdose of iodine based Amiadarone after we spent 4 months getting him off the drug the first time due to the severe hypothyroidism induced by the drug, which was creating severe weakness among other things. So his cardiologist went against the primary doctor who prescribed the drug in the first place and said we needed him off the drug. The kicker is that he never needed the drug. He was already on other drugs to deal with the same issue.

                  I have had multiple friends told by doctors that they had cancer when no tests were performed or the biopsies came back negative.

                  I could go on and on with examples of the crap I have seen these quack medical doctors do.

                  Or simply doctor ignorance. For example, how many doctors know that high cholesterol DOES NOT cause heart disease or that low cholesterol significantly increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes? Or the fact that taking aspirin during a heart attack will make things worse as the studies have proven? Or that AIDS is not a disease and has multiple causes including the drug primarily given to HIV+ (which means nothing) patients? Or that “liver enzymes” are not specific to the liver? Or that there are numerous causes of hepatitis other than hepatitis viruses? Or the fact that there are no common lab tests that can confirm the presence of any particular virus including hepatitis and HIV tests? Or that even the manufacturers of the sleep aids Ambien and Lunesta have admitted their drugs don’t work? Or why thyroid tests frequently miss cases of hypothyroidism? Or why cholesterol lowering statin drugs can cause heart failure? Or why osteoporosis drugs increase the risk of bone fractures?……….

                  The ironic thing is that allopathic medicine has been mimicking holistic medicine for very long time despite calling holistic medicine quackery. For example most medications are made from herbs or are tweaked versions of herbs. Angiogenesis inhibition as a cancer treatment was being used in holistic medicine years before allopathic medicine caught on. Protease inhibitors were being used in the holistic medical field years before allopathic medicine caught on. The fact that Premarin could cause cancer was being reported in the holistic medical field for decades before the allopathic field finally admitted to this fact. We knew that nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen, Celebrex, Naproxen, etc. could cause heart attacks and strokes even with a single recommended dose for decades before allopathic medicine admitted to this fact. All they had to do was to use some common sense realizing that heart attacks and strokes could occur for the same reason NSAIDs can cause liver or kidney failure even with a single recommended dose.

                  Seriously, people can often live a lot longer simply by avoiding doctors and learning to properly take care of their health without pharmaceutical drugs.

                  James

        • says

          Hey James

          from the book Dr Turner

          “spent ten months tracking down and interviewing alternative cancer healers in the jungles, mountains, and cities of ten different countries, ncluding the United States (Hawaii), China, Japan, New Zealand, Thailand, India, England, Zambia, Zimbabwe, and Brazil.”

          Sorry, but unless you’ve done the same, and been to all those countries and jungles, everything you say must be BS, to use your logic :)

          Oh, and she spent 10 years researching for the book.

          But look, don’t take my word for it. Buy her book (I don’t have any vested interest in, or association with her).

          • James says

            Steaphen: “from the book Dr Turner

            “spent ten months tracking down and interviewing alternative cancer healers in the jungles, mountains, and cities of ten different countries, ncluding the United States (Hawaii), China, Japan, New Zealand, Thailand, India, England, Zambia, Zimbabwe, and Brazil.””

            Wow, you found this in a book. Well according to the books by Gene Roddenberry, Captain Kirk has been flying around various galaxies saving us from being taken over by the Klingons. So I guess you believe that as well since it is in a book.

            Still waiting for you to provide links to at least 20 of those supposed over 3500 studies you claim are published in medical journals. That would be a great start to giving some credibility to Dr. Turner’s book. If these supposed studies are just more bogus claims then Turner’s book has as much credibility as Roddenberry’s books. So if these studies exist present some for review. I did not ask for all 3500, just at least 20 to see if there is any credibility to your or Turner’s claims. Of course if they never existed in the first place I can see why you are having such as hard time presenting links to as little as 20 of these studies!!!

    • says

      Whoopsie daisy …

      Dr Rankin misquoted Dr Turner by numbering the list.

      Quoting from Dr Turner’s book,

      “These nine key factors for Radical Remission are:
      • Radically changing your diet
      • Taking control of your health
      • Following your intuition
      • Using herbs and supplements
      • Releasing suppressed emotions
      • Increasing positive emotions
      • Embracing social support
      • Deepening your spiritual connection
      • Having strong reasons for living

      It is important to note that these are not listed in any
      kind of ranking order. There is no clear “winner” among
      these factors. Rather, all nine were mentioned just as
      frequently in my interviews.”

      i.e. diet is NOT no.1. in importance.

  81. says

    Yo, James and affiliates: in trusting that I’m within the limits of fair-use, I’ll quote Dr Turner’s definition of “Radical remission”

    “I define Radical Remission as any cancer remission that
    is statistically unexpected, and those statistics vary
    depending on the cancer type, stage, and medical treatment
    received. To be more specific, a Radical Remission
    occurs whenever:
    • a person’s cancer goes away without using any
    conventional medicine; or
    • a cancer patient tries conventional medicine, but the
    cancer does not go into remission, so he or she
    switches to alternative methods of healing, which do
    lead to a remission; or
    • a cancer patient uses conventional medicine and
    alternative healing methods at the same time in order
    to outlive a statistically dire prognosis (i.e., any
    cancer with a less than 25 percent chance of five-year
    survival).”

    • James says

      Steaphen,

      First of all a “remission” is not cured.

      Secondly, regardless of how Turner chooses to define “radical remission” this does not mean much of anything if those over 3500 studies published in medical journals you claim exist don’t. Therefore, there is really not much reason for you to continue with your line of reasoning until you provide those at least 20 studies you claim have been published in the medical journals for review. Otherwise it still appears that a lot of claims are being made up. So let’s see those studies Steaphen or are these studies as mythical as the unicorn?

      • says

        Hello James (and your alto-ego, Paleo Huntress — yes, it’s obvious it’s you under an alias)

        I’m reading case studies of people who literally were given months to live (e.g. severe kidney cancer, one kidney surgically removed), and 33 years (I’ll say that again, 33 years) later are entirely cancer-free.

        So I don’t know what your definition of “cured”‘ is, but I’ll take her’s. Thanks very much.

        • James says

          Steaphen: “Hello James (and your alto-ego, Paleo Huntress — yes, it’s obvious it’s you under an alias)”

          Boy, you cannot get anything right can you?!!!

          I AM NOT Paleo Huntress. First of all I am not female. Secondly, I don’t follow the ideas of the various thoughts behind what the paleo diet really was. So it appears you are getting more and more desperate, which is why you keep resorting to posting off topic attacks instead of trying to back your bogus claims.

          Steaphen: “I’m reading case studies of people who literally were given months to live (e.g. severe kidney cancer, one kidney surgically removed), and 33 years (I’ll say that again, 33 years) later are entirely cancer-free.”

          And you claimed these were published studies in medical journals. So why can’t you produce the at least 20 out over 3500 studies you claim exist? Do they really exist, or are these just more fabrications of your imagination?

        • Paleo Huntress says

          Steaphen,

          Here’s a little exercise for you– Go to a search engine and type in “livejournal paleo huntress”. What you’ll find is the very first account I ever created under the Paleo Huntress ID, and you’ll note that I created it in early 2007 and that it hasn’t been updated (meaning it hasn’t been changed) since late 2007. (I don’t use it anymore, but it has sentimental value.) You’ll also note my current icon (which I created myself for the livejournal account) and the image of me with my very long hair… and even if you squint REALLY hard, you won’t be able to confuse me with James. Now I suppose that one could posit that 7 years ago, James may have thought it possible that in 2014 he’d be having a debate with a character such as yourself and that his own credentials wouldn’t be enough to provide legitimacy, and so he attempted to shore up his future image by spending the time and energy creating a livejournal account in the fictional persona of an un-credentialed, married mom of 3, (one an Aspie) who was healed by a paleo diet– and then went on to moderate that community for 6 months, just in CASE someone like YOU showed up in 7 years. Beyond that, he continued to maintain this persona through countless posts in paleo and vegan nutrition communities everywhere.

          More to the point though, for someone extolling the healing virtues of positive thinking and avoiding the ‘toxic’, you are a fraud as its representative. Your posts are passive-aggressive, your continued off-topic presence here is disrespectful of the discussion topic and its author, and your personal attacks run contrary to your healing doctrine. Further, you preach about controlling mind and ego but you clearly lack the ability and willpower to do so yourself, and your responses toward me and others are both flippant and invalidating. You are a charlatan, everything you claim not to be– and someone who very obviously doesn’t practice what he preaches, but is dependent on people buying what he’s selling. Snake oil.

          Without a doubt, the “mix of commercial sales and business experience, interspersed with and accompanied by many and varied courses in sales and management training” that your site boasts is where you have focussed your energy. You have a long way to go with the healing spirit.

          You’re a fraud Steaphen. Please go away.

          PS. My grammar is MUCH better than James’.. (no offense intended, James.) >.<

          • says

            Dear Paleo Huntress

            You’re welcome to your opinions.

            If you believe my affirming people can heal naturally, using mind, meditation, and improved psycho-social circumstances is me being fraudulent, so be it.

            I note your quoting various elements of my biography that I’ve made available, while not offering anything about yourself. I’m happy to stand and affirm my beliefs. Publicly. Openly.

            As I said, you’re welcome to your opinions.

            Blessings on your journey.

            • Paleo Huntress says

              Steaphen,

              You seem to be suggesting that giving out your real name and biography shows people who you ‘really are’… but it doesn’t. It is conversations such as those in this thread that reveal the real you.

              As I wrote earlier, I DO believe in the ‘power of healing naturally and using mind, meditation, and improved psycho-social circumstances’… I even mentioned that I find the subject fascinating… but that isn’t where the fraud lies. The fraud lies in a critical, undisciplined, passive-aggressive guru trying to sell the masses what he preaches instead of what he practices. No one needs to read your bio to see that, Steaphen, they need only read this thread.

              I’m not trying to sell a book, so my name doesn’t matter. Information is information, the messenger is irrelevant. And while I support anyone ‘standing by and affirming their beliefs’, either your belief is a charade, or you are failing miserably at putting it into practice. Either way, you are a poor spokesperson for your own program.

      • says

        Quoting Dr Turner

        “Intrigued, I instantly began trying to find other cases of Radical Remission. What I found shocked me.

        There were over a thousand cases in print, all quietly published in medical journals, and yet here I was, working at a major cancer research institution, and this was the first time I had ever heard of one.

        The more I dug into this topic, the more frustrated I
        became. It turned out that no one was seriously
        investigating these cases, nor were they making any
        attempt to track them. What’s worse, most of the Radical Remission survivors I began talking to said that their doctors, while happy for them, often had no interest in hearing about what they had done to get better.”

        The astute reader will not your attempt at denying the evidence, given the efficacy of the factors she’s cited.

        • James says

          Once again Steaphen, just because someone writes something in a book this does not make it true. There was a quack who wrote a book claiming cancer is a survival mechanism. Does this make it true? Of course not!!!

          So where are those studies. I would think that if Turner wanted any credibility that she would have referenced those studies in her book making them even easier for you to find and present for review. Of course that can only happen if these studies actually exist as you keep claiming. If you cannot present at least 20 of these over 3500 studies you claim exist then your claims are going to appear as made up as your other disproven claims.

  82. Dennis says

    I never even implied “thinking away”, because “thinking away”, to me, is not even close to precise mental techniques one can use to heal.

    Sorry I didn’t get your joke, since it was mixed in a lot of displaced aggression.

    I’m sure by not you have revealed who you really are as a person to all of the readers, by in case anyone has missed that, here are the facts again.

    What an ignorant fool. You not only did not read what I said but you had to resort to behaving like an insecure child who has such low self esteem he has to resort to name calling to build himself up. Oh yes, and you made sure you corrected a misspelling and made fun of me for that. That must have made you feel really good.

    I said “It appears that the majority of the people reading this blog are believers in the alkaline type diet”

    Once again: IT APPEARS………

    Let me explain what I mean by this. I know it’s complicated.

    It means that is is my impression from reading all of the comments that the majority of people are believers in the alkaline type diet.
    It is pretty easy to tell based on their reactions to what you say.

    I want you to notice another thing. I referred to the “alkaline” diet as
    ….. “what is thought of as an alkaline diet”. The kind of diet that people often describe as alkaline.

    If you can read again, my comments, but this time with your hear OUTSIDE your ass, then you will see that I only talk about the diet that people CONSIDER alkaline. I personally don’t put much attention or alkalinity or acidity. I just know that the diet they eat is healthy.

    [people like Steaphen and Dennis prefer to remain in
    the dark ages believing that hardly anything has been learned about the human body.]

    This is ironic that you think that Steaphen and I are in the dark ages.
    I expect that you can talk to anyone on the leading edge of studying the mind-body connection and they will tell you of how little they know.
    There is so much more to learn. You read your scientific journals actually believing that what you read is all there is to know.

    You got to step back from your little details and get the big picture. It is ever expanding, while you are not.

    [ You cannot simply think away a pathogenic infection
    or disease caused by a pathogen such as most cancers.]

    I NEVER said or ever implied that one can just ”think away” disease.
    That was a question Steaphen asked me to clarify my comment that disease is caused by the mind, including cancer.

    You know, someone said “do not cast pearls before swine”.
    It is so obvious that you are the swine.

    In other words, it’s a waste of time trying to convince the lessor evolved and the ignorant. You will get it eventually.

    • James says

      Dennis: “I never even implied “thinking away”, because “thinking away”, to me, is not even close to precise mental techniques one can use to heal. ”

      Mental refers to thinking. So now you are saying that in the mind-body connection of healing that no thinking is involved. It just magically happens?

      Dennis: “I’m sure by not you have revealed who you really are as a person to all of the readers, by in case anyone has missed that, here are the facts again.”

      Your sentence, if that is what you call it, makes no sense whatsoever.

      Dennis: “What an ignorant fool. You not only did not read what I said but you had to resort to behaving like an insecure child who has such low self esteem he has to resort to name calling to build himself up……….”

      Wow, deju vu!!! Dennis is reposting his same temper tantrum rant word for word that he posted yesterday and that has already been addressed.

      I guess he has nothing new or important to add.

      • Dennis says

        I’m an efficient person. Why would I take the time to write the truth and who you are, in a different way?

        I’m sorry you were not able to comprehend my comment when I tried to explain that there is a difference between just “thinking away” as opposed to a precise mental technique. No one using the mind to heal would use the phrase “thinking away”.

        No temper here.

        I’m interested in trying to keep people from being hurt by your ignorance to holistic healing and the actual cause of disease.
        How does it feel advertising your extreme close-mindedness and ignorance to the world?

  83. says

    For those in trouble, cancer, disease, however, Dr Turner includes mention of the need to deal with resistance (e.g. the kind that James/Huntress is providing in this thread.)

    From the book (citing the case of a woman who had stage 4 cervical cancer in 1985)

    “When I was in the hospital, the doctors and nurses spent two hours a day for two months trying to convince me that I was going to die, that there was no hope, that I had to accept this.

    I told them I did not accept it. I understood what they were saying. I understood their statistics. I understood the prognosis. However, I was determined to stay focused on the possibility that my health was assured, that I would be cured. . . . And I do believe my level of control positively affected my healing.”

    • says

      I think anyone who’s ill, will appreciate Dr Turner’s approach (in contrast to the denials and refutations of James/Huntress).

      As she writes:

      “when I came across a case of what I call Radical Remission. I froze, confused and stunned. Had this actually happened?

      Did this person really overcome advanced cancer without
      using conventional medicine? If so, why had it not been on
      the front page of every newspaper? Even if it had happened only once, it was still an incredible event. After all, this person had somehow stumbled onto a cure for his cancer.

      The men and women I was counseling would have given anything to know this survivor’s secret—and so would I.”

      Hence her book.

      I suggest those who are ill, to read this book, and ignore those like James who openly deny or refute people’s ability to naturally heal themselves.

      • Dennis says

        I guess it goes without saying, but, I second that.

        Think of it this way.

        What have you got to lose by being open minded to what others have studied or experienced?

        • James says

          Dennis: “What have you got to lose by being open minded to what others have studied or experienced?”

          Some people have such open minds that their brains have spilled out!!!

      • James says

        Steaphen: “I suggest those who are ill, to read this book, and ignore those like James who openly deny or refute people’s ability to naturally heal themselves.”

        At no time have I ever refuted people’s ability to naturally heal themselves. In fact, if you read my responses you will find just the opposite.

        So I take it you are just making up this lie to divert attention away from the fact that you have yet been able to provide even ONE of the over 3500 published medical studies you claim exist.

        • says

          To those who are ill I advise you to be alert to the “cleverness” of people who seek to undermine your natural healing regimen.

          In the above comments James asserts only psychosomatic illness (a minor percentage of relatively non-threatening illnesses) can be healed with mind (and related pyscho-social factors).

          I’m sure those who are experiencing stage 4 cancers don’t sit around wondering if it is psychosomatic, or not. They take control, and using the 9 factors (as reported by Dr Turner), begin their journey to regaining wellness.

          The book’s examples of people who’ve survived against all odds, makes it very clear: Ignore the naysayers, and do what it takes. That often involves radical changes to one’s diet, beliefs, behaviors and relationships.

          Whether or not a true portrayal of the facts, the 1988 film “Leap of Faith” with Anne Archer and Sam Niell (based on the true story of Debby Ogg’s experience of overcoming nodular lymphoma) includes a very moving scene revealing the determination needed. While at dinner attended by various family and relatives, in response to seemingly innocent teasing about her eating “rabbit food” – she having radically changed her diet after being diagnosed with cancer – Archer/Ogg tells the person to leave immediately, and not come back, ever. It’s been around 20 years since I’ve seen that film, and I may have misremembered the exact details, but the message was clear: Do what it takes to create a positive and supportive environment, social circle and belief-system. If some within your family/social environment persist with being snide, sarcastic or skeptical, exclude them entirely from your life. Your recovery/life more than likely depends on it.

          • says

            Hi to all, especially those who are unwell.

            In this comments section (“The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 1”) I’ve been labeled a fraud, a charlatan, stupid, selling snake oil, rude, and many other things.

            I may indeed be all those things — rude, a fraud, a snake oil salesman, receiving payment for selling my services (sort of begs the question, who doesn’t? But I digress :).

            The question is, does this particular flawed, rude messenger – by some accounts, a bad … a very bad person – have a message worth considering?

            Has the messenger provided any useful ideas?

            If not, well then of course you’re wise to ignore his message and go about your day, barely giving the message a second-thought. The messenger might be harder to ignore, being as he is ever so rude, stupid and vocal.

            In my experience the exchanges on this page are somewhat representative of what you will likely experience if you “rock the boat” by not obediently accepting and doing what you are told. I encourage those being diagnosed with a severe or terminal illness, to find within and around you the resources and, if necessary, the the temerity, the arrogance, the confidence, the rudeness – to forge your own path to wellness.

            • finndian says

              If you get sick and your illness has anything to do with nutritional deficiency whether genetic or dietary then you are screwed. The current medical establishment was not required to take nutritional training in med school! 12 hours of training at best. California is the only state that requires new doctors get a certain amount of nutritional training but that was mandated just 3 years ago.

              Most doctors are trained to drug away any uncomfortable symptoms that be a direct result of a nutritional deficiency and you just can’t live in a deficit like that forever. When you get into that situation and the drugs start to mount it is time to take your health into your own hands and seek the proper help with trained individuals.

              You’ll always notice when you go back to that original doctor that loaded you up with drugs that he doesn’t want to know how you were able to reverse what was happening with you and how you were able to stop all those drugs. Its this status quo thing… the patients are the ignorant enemy and the drug company controls the doctors mind through drug company sponsored studies. Gone is any shred of intellectual curiosity he may have once had.

              Plus, I personally believe the doctor is thinking “Damn, there goes my Merck sponsored golf junket! That was my best customer!”. He certainly doesn’t want to hear you cured your RLS with inexpensive iron tablets.

        • Dennis says

          James.

          Do you TRULY believe that Dr Turner simply made up all of her references to spontaneous remission?

          What good would it do for Steaphen to take the time to look up any published cases of spontaneous remission?

          If he did, would you actually admit that your thinking was limited when it comes to healing and the mind?

          Maybe, for all of us, you could explain one more time, what is it concerning the mind and healing that you do refute? Seriously.

          • James says

            Dennis: “Do you TRULY believe that Dr Turner simply made up all of her references to spontaneous remission?”

            I have no idea. That is why I keep waiting for Steaphen to supply at least 20 of those over 3500 published medical articles he claims exists for review. The fact that he has yet to supply even at least one is pretty suspicious.

  84. Dennis says

    Everything in the physical or esoteric world has a hidden or esoteric counterpart. I mean EVERYTHING.

    You cannot learn the true nature of a thing, like disease, by only studying it on the limited, physical level.

    This is what James is attempting to do by rigidly staying within the scope of his medical journals.

    In terms of disease, to truly understand it, you have to include the esoteric or metaphysical aspect of disease.

    This is what Dr. Kelly Turner has done or is at least starting to do, by not simply acknowledging the many published cases of radical remission, but digging deeper, beyond the physical to understand why this happens. Of course, the answer will be “metaphysical”. Beyond the physical. The mind.

    Here is a VERY practical example of how helpful it can be by including the “hidden” counterpart of the physical, when studying the body and it’s health or lack of.

    Every organ of the body emits a particular color which can be seen by anyone with refined or psychic vision. When that organ is healthy, the color is clear and vibrant.

    {here is the helpful part]

    The color an organ emits will be faded and cloudy BEFORE a disease manifests in that organ on the physical level.

    Eventually, this kind of “healthcare” will be commonplace, I suspect, in the near future.

  85. says

    Summarizing Dr Turner’s research:

    7 out of 9 factors in recovering from cancer, “against all odds” are psycho-social.

    Only 2 of those 9 essential factors are dietary / biochemical.

    In other words, 77% of your healing regimen will (according to the research) necessarily involve working on and improving psycho-social conditions.

    Only 23% will involve diet etc, as typified by much of the discussion on this page.

    When facing serious illness, I think it behoves those seeking wellness, to remember the relative weight of the various factors.

    By all means pay attention to diet, add some supplements as needed, but most of all work on those psycho-social factors that are contributing to your illness, and are preventing you from regaining wellness.

    As I reported (early in my comments on this page) diet and related physical factors are a minor issue (as documented by Sir Prof. Michael Marmot, Prof. Len Syme and others). To direct all your attention towards diet and supplements (and studying the detailed biochemistry thereof) is, according to the research, ignoring the other (7 of 9) factors that are crucial to your recovery, and wellness.

    • says

      Part of that focus on psycho-social should, I believe, focus on ‘letting go’ any hostility towards others. I.e. not blaming others for your situation.

      I believe it is pertinent for those who are ill, to read the comments directed towards me on this page. For example, the assertion that I am a “passive-aggressive guru”.. (according to an online definition, “Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility”.).

      I don’t feel any hostility towards the people who have responded here. I may be stubborn (guilty :) by not accepting comments that denounce the efficacy and importance of pyscho-social factors in regaining wellness. But that doesn’t cause me (to be a victim) to feeling angry, or similar.

      I don’t believe I’ve labeled anyone here a charlatan, a fraud or any other such terms, as that would reflect my stuff, my issues, my anger. And if I have, I’m not perfect and occasionally I may slip, fall and curse, so please forgive me if I do :)

      I find that when you meet resistance, e.g. as typified on this page, my advice is simply stay focused on what you want (wellness), and allow the naysayers, and argumentative types, their opinions.

      If you’re confident within yourself you’ll not be upset by contrary opinions, or those who disagree with you.

      I find a response similar to “thank you, you’re welcome to your opinion” highly beneficial in reminding you to let go their ‘stuff’ and for you to redirect your focus back to your wellness. In my experience, your recovery will involve developing that sense of focus, confidence and ease …

      Blessings to all including those who’ve labeled me all sorts of bad things.

      Peace.

      • Paleo Huntress says

        What exactly do YOU want, Steaphen?

        Are you THAT GUY who has to steal everyone’s thunder? Do you pout and stomp at other people’s birthday parties? Do you want to be rude to the host of this blog? Do you want to invalidate the people commenting in the thread? Do you want to force others to acknowledge you even without their consent? Do you want to force your doctrine down their throats even after you’ve been asked politely to leave? Do you want to ruin any semblance of an on-topic conversation by refusing to respect it?

        Don’t you have a forum of your own, Steaphen? Can you not invite your ONE agreeing disciple there and leave this conversation in peace?

        I didn’t label you Steaphen, you are who you are– another jerk on the internet force-feeding his doctrine where it (and he) is not wanted. If you don’t like the way we see you, then stop being that guy.

        I have no problem with contrary opinions, I have a problem with people inserting them where they aren’t asked for and aren’t welcome. It’s one thing to present a different idea and let people consider it– it’s another altogether to ram it down their throats. Considering your repeated scolding that “naysayers” are toxic, it is utterly bizarre that you would continue to tell those of us who believe nutrition is the primary constituent to health, that WE are wrong. Do you read what you write? Do you have any idea how incongruent your ideals are with your actions?

        Here in THIS forum, I want to discuss pH, and seeing as it’s the topic of this post, I’d say it’s a pretty reasonable expectation. You brought your strawberry to the table, I tried it and I opted to go back to my chocolate. Now please, try and muster up a modicum of respect and honor and take your naysaying and GO AWAY. You may very well have a decent message, but if so, it is lost in your disrespectful strong-arming.

        Without the ability to edit or delete your comments, your words will be here in this forum for others to refer to for a very long time. Is this conversation really the one you want people judging you and your ideology by?

      • Paleo Huntress says

        Also, please be sure to help them understand that it is only resistance to their choices for THEMSELVES that should be opposed. If you’re forcing something on someone against their will and without their consent, they have every RIGHT to resist it, and the forcer should EXPECT it. Teaching them to deal with that kind of resistance would be like teaching a rapist do deal with his victim’s resistance.

        The real message here is that your journey is your own. You have no right to force your beliefs on others, nor do you have the right to insist that they buy into your recovery methodology.

    • says

      I will admit that I have indeed been quite rude in “hijacking” this topic, away from the specifics of alkaline-acid diets and similar matters.

      I have done so because, if I may use an analogy, to continue the various arguments here specific to the biochemistry of alkaline-acid diets while ignoring the underlying impetus towards regaining health, is akin to “shifting deck-chairs on the Titanic”.

      Having now highlighted the psycho-social “icebergs” in one’s path, I invite those interested to resume discussion of (to continue the analogy): where and why which deck-chairs are to be placed, and the relative merit thereof.

      For those who are interested in discussing further the psycho-social factors vital to wellbeing, I’ve posted a news item about Dr Turner’s book, to which one can comment ( http://beliefdoctor.com/news/9-key-factors-affecting-radical-remission-from-cancer ).

      I thank everyone who’s responded to my posts — it has been helpful to me … I’m presently writing a health and wellbeing workbook for some people, and as a result of these (and other) responses and experiences, I will be including mention of the style of responses one might encounter on the path to health and wellbeing.

  86. StenBjorsell says

    Citation from a JNL discussion with a totally opposite view:
    http://nutrition.highwire.org/content/128/6/1051.full

    The study authors are comfortable with that not only diet but also intake of buffers effects calcium = bone loss, based on several studies referred to. The last words of the summary:

    “In summary, a diet high in acid-ash protein causes excessive urinary calcium loss because of its acid content; calciuria is directly related to urinary net acid excretion. Alkali buffers, whether chemical salts or dietary fruits and vegetables, reverse this urinary calcium loss.

    Overall, the evidence leaves little doubt that excess acidity will create a reduction in total bone substance. This is normal physiology—not pathology. This is a mechanism of Homo sapiens to protect himself against acidosis. The ability to buffer the acidosis of starvation or a high meat diet gave a survival advantage in a hunter-gatherer society. Modern peoples are now eating high protein, acid-ash diets and losing their bones. The study by Appel et al. (1997) shows that increasing buffering capacity by increasing fruit and vegetable intake is a practical way to counteract the acidity generated by the dietary protein, reduce calciuria and consequently improve calcium balance.”

    That we can regulate acid balance through breathing as Chris states above makes no sense: By removing CO2 via the lungs we indeed remove acid. But bulk CO2 comes from metabolism, and we can only remove CO2 in proportion to that metabolism. Moreover it is just during metabolism that CO2 is formed and hence the point when this acidity is created, then quickly dispersed through ventilation.
    The body can of course become more acidic from retaining part of that CO2. It cannot become more alkaline by giving up more CO2 as there is no other bulk body source for it.

    The small buffer of CO2 in the blood we have is necessary for proper oxygen delivery through the Bohr effect. As soon as that buffer is gone a condition called pulmonary alkalosis is entered. A condition that happens at the same time as metabolic acidosis. That is the exact result of attempting to rid the body of acid through breathing. (Over breathing = hyperventilation) It usually ends in death if subjects are allowed to breath faster and faster due to failing oxygen delivery.
    If there however is ample bone substance and working kidneys, calcium can then instead react with excess acid and bind it as Calciumchloride and water, into the urine.

    • says

      Hi StenBjorsell

      Thank you for posting this link — the website is an excellent resource on nutrition (I’ll include in my workbook for the nutritional component of those 9 factors I mentioned above).

      Again, thank you!

      btw, in the current issue: “Dietary Intakes of Individual Flavanols and Flavonols Are Inversely Associated with Incident Type 2 Diabetes in European Populations.” ( http://bit.ly/1g9vRHM )

      Rule of Thumb (from the above): majority alkaline-producing diet -> low incidence of Type 2 Diabetes; decreased loss of bone density. :)

    • James says

      Not the first time I have seen this flawed study used to try and promote the acid diet myth,

      The first and most obvious flaw is that they never tested blood pH. Instead they relied on urinary pH, which DOES NOT reflect blood pH. Therefore, they cannot definitively state that there ever was acidosis.

      Another major and obvious flaw is look what they are are claiming are acidic foods. These are both HIGH calcium containing foods. High serum calcium can cause problems such as high blood pressure, increased risk of asthma attacks, constipation, muscle cramping/spasms and mental fogginess. Due to the dangers of high serum calcium the body is obviously going to try and dump the excess calcium from the food through the urine. In this case the calcium IS NOT coming from the bones as is being claimed. Since they failed to identify the source of the calcium it is pretty premature of the “researchers” to claim the calcium is the result of bone loss.

      And if the “researchers” knew anything about nutrition and how the body works then they would have known that the foods they list as “acidic” can cause bone loss, but this has NOTHING to do with acidity. These are high phosphorus foods that trigger bone loss by inducing pseudohyperparathyroidism.

      Just like their bogus claims about soda and acidity. They totally ignore certain simple facts such as much of the acidity would be lost as the carbonic acid releases and the carbon dioxide gets burped up. And the fact that there could be acid buffers in the diet, and even if not the acid would be neutralized as part of the chyme by pancreatic bicarbonate.

      In addition, they focus heavily on kidney excretion of hydrogen ions while hardly mentioning the more important pH regulator respiration. Respiration is the body’s primary means of pH regulation. Kidneys are secondary. And there are still other pH regulators such as binding of hydrogen ions to proteins or by the reaction of ammonia from amino acids and carbonic acid leading to the formation of uric acid required by the body. These two reactions require the proteins the researchers are calling acidic. And then there is buffering by hemoglobin and phosphates. Again the “researchers” claim the phosphates are acidic, which is misleading.

      They also overlooked the well known fact that the primary blood pH buffer is bicarbonate, which is is maintained at a much higher levels in the blood than carbonic acid. And what is the bicarbonate made from? Carbonic acid, which lowers the level of carbonic acid during its production.

      It is well known that buffering by bone minerals is ONLY used as a last resort, which means it wold take severe acidosis to cause bone loss from any acidity associated with diet.

      The “researchers” have also failed to take in to account the fact that ALL foods eventually metabolize in to acids. Even the so-called “alkaline foods”.

      In addition, the “researchers” failed to take in to account that just like the body has to maintain a tight regulation on pH, it also maintains tight regulation on its potassium levels since excess serum potassium can stop the heart. This is why potassium is used to stop the heart in lethal injection.

      Potassium is a natural diuretic, and it is known that diuresis leads to potassium loss. This is part of the body’s means to regulate its potassium levels. And by the same token this means the higher potassium levels would not remain long to buffer any acidity. This is why the body relies primarily on respiration and dumping of hydrogen ions through the kidneys as their primary means of pH regulation.

      Even if the potassium can remain there is another flaw with their claims. Potassium is an alkali, just as sodium is an alkali. Yet they claim that salt as sodium chloride causes bone loss as where potassium salts supposedly prevent bone loss. Again, they do not understand what they are talking about. The acidosis from ingesting “table salt” is the result of the chlorine atom in the salt resulting in hyperchloremic acidosis. Therefore, the same problem could just as easily occur from the ingestion of excess potassium chloride.

      There are other errors, but these are the primary ones.

      It is like these “researchers” went in to the research with a pre-concieved idea and blinders on so they were going to back their erroneous beliefs by manipulating the research and through misinterpretation.

      This is a great example though of why people need to understand how the body really works, and why research articles like this need to be reviewed rather than blindly accepted.

      Same reason I have repeatedly asked Steaphen for at least 20 examples of the over 3500 research articles he claims backs his beliefs for review. So far he has yet to even provide even one, which calls in to question if these studies even really exist, and if they do exist if they really back Steaphen’s views. For some reason he has been trying really hard to dodge my requests and not provide any of these thousands of studies that are supposed to exist.

  87. StenBjorsell says

    I am quickly losing faith in James. What is this: “They totally ignore certain simple facts such as much of the acidity would be lost as the carbonic acid releases and the carbon dioxide gets burped up.”

    Is this referring to some well known facts, personal experience facts or study facts? Reply please !

    Fact is that bulk CO2 in our bodies is produced through combustion or metabolism. The combustion process generates CO2, that is acidic by default and status quo is maintained as long as it is constantly released as it is being produced, else we die and before our pH drops significantly
    But no neutralisation takes place, only removal of the acidic combustion product, CO2 takes place,
    A transient acidic state takes place when CO2 is dissolved in the blood lowering pH to near 7, which then causes the oxygen to detach hereby enabling O2 transport to tissues.
    When the blood reaches the lungs the CO2 is released and the pH rises and oxygen can attach again. This is pure transportation of CO2 out of the body, not neutralization.
    In the kidneys pH is dropped by means of proton pump that split a neutral salt in acid that is excreted and base that is retained, I understand. Same mechanism that is used to produce stomach acid. That is totally different to ventilation away of CO2, To claim that acidic foods or free acid can be ventilated by itself or via CO2 integrated in this process seems an unsupported hypothesis to me at least. As soon as
    CO2 is created acidity takes place. What are the suggested reactions, please!

    The reference I gave was not to a “study”. It was to a review of a number of studies on subject matter. Please read it and the studies. You and Chris seem to be out on some kind of metaphysical ride without slightest proof for “neutralization through breathing”.

    Finally the study I referred to was trashing meat protein, which I think is right, when too high. Equally bad and acidifying are grain based products, especially if they are high or dominate a diet with close to and over 50% intake like the USDA promotes. The worst of the worst is a standard US diet, normal in meat and high in grains, especially when sugar is added. SAD.
    The table in the review of the acidifing levels of foods makes sense.
    Regardng calcium it may also be well worth noting that only calcium from bone is in non-ionic form and can hence neutralize acid. Cacium citrate, and chloride etc. have no neutralizing effect as . they are already neutralized.
    The same applies to phosphorus and other minerals.

    But before we look at the kidneys lets complete the discussion of the lungs; focus at an issue at a time. Maybe I am missing something, and then I would like to know!
    Chris and you claim neutralization of acids through the lungs.
    Any acids, so lets start with lactic acid. How ??

  88. James says

    StenBjorsell: “I am quickly losing faith in James.”

    No problem. As I have to keep reminding certain individuals here that this blog article IS NOT about me. If you disagree with something then respond about the comment, not the person, and back your claims with some evidence. Not that hard to do!!!

    StenBjorsell: “What is this: “They totally ignore certain simple facts such as much of the acidity would be lost as the carbonic acid releases and the carbon dioxide gets burped up.””

    Again, not that hard to figure out. If carbonic acid levels is subject to the amount of carbon dioxide present then the loss of some of CO2 that dissociates from the soda and is burped up means less CO2 to form carbonic acid, thus less acidity. Get it now?

    StenBjorsell: “Is this referring to some well known facts, personal experience facts or study facts? Reply please !”

    Mostly what is well known in science and medicine. Have you tried researching these facts from some anatomy and physiology books or some valid medical research?

    StenBjorsell: “Fact is that bulk CO2 in our bodies is produced through combustion or metabolism. ”

    Nobody has denied that fact. Also, if you paid attention to what I said several times ALL foods gets metabolized in to acids. The primary acid I was referring to is carbonic acid.

    StenBjorsell: “The combustion process generates CO2, that is acidic by default”

    So where is the hydrogen atom in CO2 to make the CO2 acidic? Ah, it does not exist. The CO2 has to react with water for a hydrogen source to create the acid carbonic acid. And the higher the CO2 levels dissolved in the water the higher the acidity, which goes back to my first comment about burping up so much of the CO2 would reduce the acid activity the soda would have on the body.

    By the way, the body also maintains a levels of dissolved CO2 in the body since it is required by the body. Dissolved CO2 levels are in equilibrium with lung CO2 levels, which is hundreds of times higher that carbonic acid levels. Levels of carbonic acid can be maintained based on need by increasing or decreasing respiration, which decreases or increases dissolved CO2 respectively.

    Some of the dissolved CO2 can be utilized to form carbonic acid as needed catalyzed by the enzyme carbonic anhydrase.

    StenBjorsell: “But no neutralisation takes place, only removal of the acidic combustion product, CO2 takes place,”

    Wrong again. First of all what acid is required to form the body’s bicarbonate? That’s right, carbonic acid, which quickly disassociates in to bicarbonate. And bicarbonate is maintained in a higher level than carbonic acid in the blood. Carbonic acid also reacts with highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia NEUTRALIZING the carbonic acid in the process and forming one of the body’s primary antioxidants uric acid.

    During the disassociation of carbonic acid in to bicarbonate there is an acidic hydrogen proton also released. This proton is BUFFERED by binding to hemoglobin or phosphate.

    Further buffering in the blood occurs with extracellular proteins such as albumin.

    As I mentioned earlier, the body produces carbonic acid utilizing the catalyst carbonic anhydrase. So why would the body produce carbonic acid if it is so bad for the body as you are implying? Simple, because we need carbonic acid. Carbonic acid is needed to neutralize highly toxic ammonium, it is needed for the production of stomach acid, it is needed to release oxygen from hemoglobin, it is needed to dilate blood vessels to allow proper circulation and it is needed for the formation of bicarbonate in the body.

    StenBjorsell: “When the blood reaches the lungs the CO2 is released and the pH rises and oxygen can attach again. This is pure transportation of CO2 out of the body, not neutralization.”

    Very good, but there are reactions in which there is neutralization of the carbonic acid in the blood such as the reaction of carbonic acid on ammonia to form uric acid.

    And this backs my earlier statement about excess alkalinity preventing the release of oxygen from hemoglobin. Again, a slight acidity is required for the oxygen release.

    StenBjorsell: “In the kidneys pH is dropped by means of proton pump that split a neutral salt in acid that is excreted and base that is retained, I understand.”

    The pH of urine is dropped as many acids are excreted in the urine such as uric acid, dihydrogen phosphate ion, ammonium ions, citric acid and sulfuric acid.

    StenBjorsell: “To claim that acidic foods or free acid can be ventilated by itself or via CO2 integrated in this process seems an unsupported hypothesis to me at least.”

    And nobody ever claimed that. Especially the “acidic foods” part since as has been pointed out numerous times there is no such thing as a truly acidic food. Or a truly alkaline food for that matter. ALL foods are made acidic in the stomach, alkaline in the intestines, and eventually all metabolized in to acids in the long run with highly dangerous alkaline ammonia being an intermediate to the acid formation in some cases.

    StenBjorsell: “As soon as CO2 is created acidity takes place.

    Again, not true as explained earlier in this post.

    StenBjorsell: “What are the suggested reactions, please!”

    Already explained earlier in this post.

    StenBjorsell: “The reference I gave was not to a “study”. It was to a review of a number of studies on subject matter. Please read it and the studies. You and Chris seem to be out on some kind of metaphysical ride without slightest proof for “neutralization through breathing”.”

    Once again you are twisting things that were NEVER claimed to make your argument. Carbonic acid is reduced through respiration, not neutralized as you are implying was said. That is as ridiculous as claiming that if you add distilled water to an acid that the reduction of acidity is from neutralization of the acid. You need to learn the difference between reduction of acidity as opposed to neutralization of acidity. Although, as pointed out some of the carbonic acid is neutralized contrary to your claim. But not by respiration.

    StenBjorsell: “Finally the study I referred to was trashing meat protein, which I think is right, when too high. Equally bad and acidifying are grain based products”

    Once again, there is NO such thing as a truly acidic food. Just because a food such as meat or grains are high protein this DOES NOT make them acidic.

    In fact, let’s take a look at beef. How do you explain beef being acidic considering the very high levels of calcium, magnesium and potassium in the beef? For example, do you know what causes rigor mortis when an animal dies? It is from the calcium influx in to the muscles and the pushing out of magnesium from the muscle cells. That calcium and magnesium does not magically disappear when the animal is killed. They are still there and calcium, magnesium and potassium are all considered alkaline. So again, how do you explain beef being considered acidic?

    StenBjorsell: “The worst of the worst is a standard US diet, normal in meat and high in grains, especially when sugar is added.

    And sugar is naturally found in all plants considered “alkaline”. Since simpler plant sugars are metabolized in to carbon dioxide just like sucrose (“table sugar”), why is it you think added sugar is acidic while simpler plant sugars found in the so-called “alkaline foods” are not? Also keep in mind that the more complex sugars known as fibers are fermented by the flora forming even more acids. So why is a plant such as kale, which is also loaded with oxalic acid, considered alkaline, while Twinkies containing “alkaline” minerals from sources such as whey and baking soda is considered acidic?

    StenBjorsell: “The table in the review of the acidifing levels of foods makes sense.”

    How?

    StenBjorsell: “Regardng calcium it may also be well worth noting that only calcium from bone is in non-ionic form and can hence neutralize acid. Cacium citrate, and chloride etc. have no neutralizing effect as . they are already neutralized.
    The same applies to phosphorus and other minerals.”

    Good try, but you are overlooking something. Ever hear of ions, such as calcium ions or magnesium ions? What about the electromotive series of metals? Point is that you are assuming that the minerals will remain the same. If this is the case then how does the sodium from sodium chloride form sodium bicarbonate? How does the chlorine atom from sodium chloride form in to hydrochloric acid?

    You also overlooked the fact I mentioned in my earlier post to you that the foods they incorrectly called “acidic” were high in phosphorus, which promotes bone loss and urinary calcium excretion due to hyperparathyroidism. This has nothing to do with a supposed pH shift from foods.

    StenBjorsell: “Chris and you claim neutralization of acids through the lungs.”

    Again, that is not what was said. You are twisting what was said in to things that were never said.

    StenBjorsell: “Any acids, so lets start with lactic acid. How ??”

    First of all what lactic acid? Better do your homework before answering this one!!!

  89. Dennis says

    James
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    Dennis: “Do you TRULY believe that Dr Turner simply made up all of her references to spontaneous remission?”

    James: I have no idea. That is why I keep waiting for Steaphen to supply at least 20 of those over 3500 published medical articles he claims exists for review. The fact that he has yet to supply even at least one is pretty suspicious.
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    I wish you would have answered my other questions, also.

    OK, so, personally, I don’t think Steaphen should have or needed to look up any published medical articles for you. For one reason, because I don’t believe you have any flexibility to adjust your thinking on that matter anyway. I could be wrong.

    I just checked out his site and the links to published articles that you’ve been begging for, are there.

    I don’t know why he didn’t simply put the link here, but it could be, like I believe, he didn’t want to simply bow to your demand. I don’t know. I’m just guessing.

    http://beliefdoctor.com/news/9-key-factors-affecting-radical-remission-from-cancer#remissions

    • says

      Sorry Dennis, I think you, James and his affiliate have misunderstood me – I really don’t care if James accepts the research that Dr Turner has presented.

      As far as I’m concerned, from a holodynamic-systems perspective, all healing is in a sense “spontaneous remission”. Btw Dr Turner does not use the term “spontaneous” as it implies healing occurs without our deliberate intent. Not so, she says, as her research makes abundantly clear..

      The research is, for me, irrelevant. But not everyone has spent decades developing a world-view that provides a fuller view with which to the appreciate the cultural and scientific dogmas at work.

      My posting here is to give those who are experiencing severe illness, a fuller understanding of the dynamics of recovery. The naysayers are irrelevant, or at least they need to be considered irrelevant when seeking recovery from illness. It’s crucial to recovery for people to take control of their lives, their beliefs, diet, and their relationships that are undermining their beliefs, and expectations of recovery.

      I think Stuart Chase was close to the mark when he said that “For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don’t believe, no proof is possible”. I understand the deeper rhythms and processes of life and do not require proof, having now moved beyond the need to look for supporting evidence of that understanding. That said, I’m still delighted when my understanding throws up some surprises, as I make mention here http://beliefinstitute.com/blog/steaphen-pirie/quantum-physics-sex

      Mind you I do get quite vocal about the superstitions and egregious behavior of mechanical-universe thinkers. I share Prof. Richard Conn Henry’s lament that to not speak up about those old-world mechanical beliefs, is a dereliction of social duty. As he says “As a person of iron integrity, I cannot participate in the dereliction of social duty that is going on among scientists today. I must speak up, and, by gum, I am!” (http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/quantum.enigma.html)

      In my work I go into detail about the irrational superstitions that are endemic in modern medicine and science. It really is a travesty of modern science to steadfastly maintain old, irrational superstitions that are causing immense harm in our world. http://beliefdoctor.com/the-travesty-of-modern-science.html

      • says

        Astute readers will be alert to the underlying reason why James seeks to discredit the research — because biochemical processes won’t explain “spontaneous remissions”.

        Just as a biochemical analysis won’t explain how we move our bodies to even so much as lift a finger.

        If anyone wants the unquestionably robust argument as to why that is the case, and will continue to remain the case, read the content of the following link. http://beliefdoctor.com/the-modern-superstitions-of-science-and-religion.html

        • James says

          I already gave several explanations behind spontaneous remissions. So why are you lying again Steaphen? Just looking for another excuse to push your bogus site?

          Steaphen: “Just as a biochemical analysis won’t explain how we move our bodies to even so much as lift a finger.”

          You clearly know nothing about how the body really works if you don’t think science know how muscles work.

          • says

            “You clearly know nothing about how the body really works if you don’t think science know how muscles work.”

            Perhaps true, I know very little — so I ask questions.

            For example: A runner begins running.

            He moves off the start line, and moves forward 1/1,000,000th of the Planck length (note: infinite-series, used to mathematically “solve” Zeno’s Paradoxes requires movement through all increments, including infinitely shorter than the Planck Length).

            Precisely, exactly what biochemical/electrical processes are responsible for that movement?

            If you would be so kind to enlighten the physics community, they’ll reward you with a Nobel or two.

        • says

          James

          When you lift a finger, initially moving it a small distance, say 1/1,000,000th of the Planck length, exactly what biochemical process does that?

          Please be aware, casual observers of your reply will notice the tell-tale signs of your “cognitive dissonance” in the form of denial, or imprecise generalizations that do not answer the question, or comments about being “off-topic”.

          Earlier I suggested you’d receive a Nobel or two if you answer that question. Besides physics you would be a certainty for a Nobel in Chemistry and Medicine, as a precise answer would undermine much of modern scientific and medical dogma.