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A Silent Epidemic with Serious Consequences—What You Need to Know about B12 Deficiency

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Reviewed by Chris Masterjohn, PhD

This tired man rubbing his eyes may be experiencing B12 deficiency.
Fatigue is a common symptom of B12 deficiency.

What do all of these chronic diseases have in common?

  • Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline, and memory loss (collectively referred to as “aging”)
  • Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
  • Mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and psychosis
  • Cardiovascular disease
  • Learning or developmental disorders in kids
  • Autism spectrum disorder
  • Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
  • Cancer
  • Male and female infertility

Answer: Their signs and symptoms can all be mimicked by a vitamin B12 deficiency.

An Invisible Epidemic

B12 deficiency isn’t a bizarre, mysterious disease. It’s written about in every medical textbook, and its causes and effects are well-established in the scientific literature.

However, the condition is far more common than most healthcare practitioners and the general public realize. Data from a Tufts University study suggests that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range—a range at which many experience neurological symptoms. Nine percent had an outright nutrient deficiency, and 16 percent exhibited “near deficiency.” Most surprising to the researchers was the fact that low B12 levels were as common in younger people as they were in the elderly. (1)

That said, this type of deficiency has been estimated to affect about 40 percent of people over 60 years of age. It’s entirely possible that at least some of the symptoms we attribute to “normal” aging—such as memory loss, cognitive decline, and decreased mobility—are at least in part caused by a deficiency.

Why Is It Underdiagnosed?

B12 deficiency is significantly underdiagnosed for two reasons. First, it’s not routinely tested by most physicians. Second, the low end of the laboratory reference range is too low.

This is why most studies underestimate true levels of deficiency. Many deficient people have so-called “normal” levels of B12.

Yet, it is well-established in the scientific literature that people with B12 levels between 200 pg/mL and 350 pg/mL—levels considered “normal” in the U.S.—have clear vitamin deficiency symptoms. (2) Experts who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of a deficiency, like Sally Pacholok, R.N., and Jeffrey Stuart, D.O., suggest treating all patients that are symptomatic and have B12 levels less than 450 pg/mL. (3) They also recommend treating patients who show normal B12 levels but also have elevated urinary methylmalonic acid (MMA), homocysteine, or holotranscobalamin, which are other markers of a deficiency in vitamin B12.

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In Japan and Europe, the lower limit for B12 is between 500 and 550 pg/mL. Those levels are associated with psychological and behavioral symptoms, such as:

  • Cognitive decline
  • Dementia
  • Memory loss (4)

Some experts have speculated that the acceptance of higher levels as normal in Japan and the willingness to treat levels considered “normal” in the U.S. explain the low rates of Alzheimer’s and dementia in that country.

What Is Vitamin B12 and Why Do You Need It?

Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. You can think of the brain and the nervous system as a big tangle of wires. Myelin is the insulation that protects those wires and helps them to conduct messages.

Severe B12 deficiency in conditions like pernicious anemia (an autoimmune condition where the body destroys intrinsic factor, a protein necessary for the absorption of the vitamin) used to be fatal until scientists figured out death could be prevented by feeding patients raw liver, which contains high amounts of B12. But anemia is the final stage of a deficiency. Long before anemia sets in, deficient patients will experience several other problems, including fatigue, lethargy, weakness, memory loss, and neurological and psychiatric problems.

The Stages of a Deficiency

B12 deficiency occurs in four stages, beginning with declining blood levels of the vitamin (stage I), progressing to low cellular concentrations of the vitamin (stage II), an increased blood level of homocysteine and a decreased rate of DNA synthesis (stage III), and finally, macrocytic anemia (stage IV). (5)

Common B12 Deficiency Symptoms

The signs can look like the symptoms of several other serious disorders, and the neurological effects of low B12 can be especially troubling.

Here are some of the most common vitamin B12 deficiency symptoms:

  • Tingling or numbness in the hands and feet
  • Brain fog, confusion, and memory problems
  • Depression
  • Premature aging
  • Cognitive decline
  • Anemia
  • Weakness
  • Fatigue
  • Reduced appetite and weight loss
  • Constipation
  • Trouble balancing (6)

Children can also show symptoms, including developmental issues and learning disabilities if their B12 levels are too low.

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Why Is It So Common?

The absorption of B12 is complex and involves several steps—any of which can go wrong. Any of the following can cause B12 malabsorption:

  • Intestinal dysbiosis
  • Leaky gut and gut inflammation
  • Atrophic gastritis or hypochlorhydria, or low stomach acid
  • Pernicious anemia
  • Medications, especially proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) and other acid-suppressing drugs
  • Alcohol
  • Exposure to nitrous oxide, during either surgery or recreational use

This explains why a deficiency can occur even in people eating large amounts of B12-containing animal products. In fact, many of my patients that are B12 deficient are following a Paleo diet where they eat meat two or three times daily.

Who Is at Risk for a Deficiency?

In general, the following groups are at greatest risk for a deficiency:

  • Vegetarians and vegans
  • People aged 60 or over
  • People who regularly use PPIs or acid-suppressing drugs
  • People on diabetes drugs like metformin
  • People with Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac, or IBS
  • Women with a history of infertility and miscarriage

Note to Vegetarians and Vegans: B12 Is Found Only in Animal Products

You cannot get B12 from plant-based sources. This vitamin is only found in animal products. That’s why vegetarians and vegans need to know the signs of deficiency—and the steps necessary to fix the problem.

B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element (cobalt), which is why it’s called cobalamin. Cobalamin is produced in the gut of animals. It’s the only vitamin we can’t obtain from plants or sunlight. Plants don’t need B12, so they don’t store it.

A common myth among vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:

  • Fermented soy
  • Spirulina
  • Brewers yeast

However, plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of and increase the need for true B12. (7) That explains why studies consistently demonstrate that up to 50 percent of long-term vegetarians and 80 percent of vegans are deficient in B12. (8, 9)

Seaweed is another commonly cited plant source of B12, but this idea is controversial. Research indicates that there may be important differences in dried versus raw purple nori; namely, raw nori may be a good source of B12, while dried nori may not be. One study indicated that the drying process used for seaweed creates B12 analogs, making it a poor source of the vitamin, while animal research suggests that dried nori can correct a B12 deficiency. (10, 11) Seaweed may provide B12, but it’s not clear if those benefits are negated when that seaweed is dried. I recommend caution for that reason.

The Impact of a Deficiency on Children

The effects of B12 deficiency on kids are especially alarming. Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient even years after they start eating at least some animal products. In one study, the researchers found an association between a child’s B12 status and their performance on testing measuring:

  • Spatial ability
  • Fluid intelligence
  • Short-term memory

Researchers found that formerly vegan children scored lower than their omnivorous counterparts in each area. (12)

The deficit in fluid intelligence is particularly troubling, the researchers said, because this area impacts a child’s ability to reason, work through complex problems, learn, and engage in abstract thinking. Defects in any of these areas could have long-term consequences for kids.

I recognize that there are many reasons why people choose to eat the way they do, and I respect people’s right to make their own choices. I also know that, like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. This is why it’s absolutely crucial for those that abstain from animal products to understand that there are no plant sources of B12 and that all vegans and most vegetarians should supplement with B12.

This is especially important for vegetarian or vegan children or pregnant women, whose need for B12 is even greater. If you’re not willing to take a dietary supplement, it may be time to think twice about your vegetarian or vegan diet.

How to Treat a Deficiency

One of the greatest tragedies of the B12 epidemic is that diagnosis and treatment are relatively easy and cheap—especially when compared to the treatment patients will need if they’re in a late stage of deficiency. A B12 test can be performed by any laboratory, and it should be covered by insurance. If you don’t have insurance, you can order it yourself from a lab like DirectLabs.com.

As always, adequate treatment depends on the underlying mechanism causing the problem. People with pernicious anemia or inflammatory gut disorders like Crohn’s disease are likely to have impaired absorption for their entire lives and will likely require B12 injections or high-dose oral cobalamin indefinitely. This may also be true for those with a severe deficiency that’s causing neurological symptoms.

Typically in the past, most B12 experts recommended injections over high-dose oral cobalamin for people with pernicious anemia and an advanced deficiency involving neurological symptoms. However, recent studies have suggested that high-dose oral or nasal administration may be as effective as injections for those with B12 malabsorption problems. (13, 14)

Try Supplementing

Cyanocobalamin is the most frequently used form of B12 supplementation in the U.S. But recent evidence suggests that hydroxocobalamin (frequently used in Europe) is superior to cyanocobalamin, and methylcobalamin may be superior to both—especially for neurological disease.

Japanese studies indicate that methylcobalamin is even more effective in treating neurological symptoms and that it may be better absorbed because it bypasses several potential problems in the B12 absorption cycle. (15, 16) On top of that, methylcobalamin provides the body with methyl groups that play a role in various biological processes important to overall health.

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Change Your Diet

Nourishing your body through whole food is the best way to get the vitamins and nutrients you need. If you’re low on B12, try eating some vitamin-rich foods like:

Eating other kinds of seafood, like octopus, fish eggs, lobster, and crab, can also help you attain normal B12 levels. If you’re seafood-averse, you can also get this vitamin from:

  • Lamb
  • Beef
  • Eggs
  • Cheese

It’s important to note, though, that the amount of B12 in these foods is nowhere near as high as the levels in shellfish and organ meats.

What to Do if You’re Experiencing Vitamin B12 Deficiency Symptoms

If you suspect you have a deficiency, the first step is to get tested. You need an accurate baseline to work from.

If you are B12 deficient, the next step is to identify the mechanism causing the deficiency. You’ll probably need help from a medical practitioner for this part. Once the mechanism is identified, the appropriate form (injection, oral, sublingual, or nasal) of supplementation, the dose, and the length of treatment can be selected.

So, next time you or someone you know is “having a senior moment,” remember: It might not be “just aging.” It could be B12 deficiency.

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  1. In addition to the above comment… I do suffer from depression. Beyond those two things those are my only real issues.

  2. Please help with advice! I am 45 years old. about 5 months ago I had the feeling like something was in my eye. After a few weeks of pain and irritation I went to a cheap eyeglasses store (the kind in a strip mall) for a $20 exam in hopes that the DR. could flip my eyelid and remove the malady. 5 hours, 3 doctors and 2 clinics later I have a diagnosis of optic neuritis. Fast forward to now I have had a clean MRI and a second opinion ruled out optic neuritis. I do not have MS. My B12 was 165. The neurologist ordered an injection. A few days later they called and said that it was a “false positive low”????? and supplements from now on. Pain persists and I had another injection but requested that they check my B12 beforehand. LOW! Although I don’t know the number the just called and said that it was low. I just started amitriptyline a few days ago. I would like to tear my eyeball out at times. I take a handfull of over the counter pain meds which will curb the pain for an hour if I am lucky. I feel like my life is being taken away from me. Will this ever improve?

    • I would go online and search for a Functional Medicine or Integrative Medicine doctor in your area, or, if you live someplace where Naturopaths can order tests and prescribe meds, go to them. 165 is really low. One shot and supps is not necessarily going to do it. Especially if it turns out you have pernicious anemia which will impede you from being able to absorb b12 orally. Don’t give up. I came back from a deficiency that low and I am doing well.

    • Hi, there is massive tracking of vitamin B12 to the optic nerve. It is sort of obvious because it uses so much energy all day. It is stacked full of mitochondria and thus needs lots and lots of energy. To get all this energy in you need good levels of both adenosyl and methylcobalamin (the two active analogues of vitamin B12). If you search PubMed you will find lots of articles on B12 deficiency and optic neuropathy. In some cases, with the correct treatment the neuropathy is quickly fixed, in many other cases is needs continual high dose treatment. Things that make the neuropathy worse are smoking, vegan diet, diabetes, and elevated homocysteine and MMA levels (also signs of B12 deficiency. Given that sub-clinical vitamin B12 deficiency starts at around 350 ng/L you will have to get your levels up and above that and stable for months to get significant neuronal repair. The caveat is that the B12 levels measured need to be of active B12 – adenosyl and methyl B12.

  3. I have leaky, gut, celiac and lost 8 feet of small intestine to gastric bypass surgery. I take huge amounts of oral B-12 to just barely keep my serum B-12 in the low normal range.

    I got a new doctor recently since I went onto Medicare with Kaiser supplement. My new doctor won’t give me a new rx for injectible B-12 – says it’s normal.

    Where can I find a doctor or vet to prescribe B-12 injectible for me?

    Thanks

    • Jerry,
      I suggest you try the topical B12 transdermal oil that was developed by Mentor Pharmaceutical Consulting and released to the market a year ago. It is a mix of methyl and adenosyl B12. It comes in a small pump that releases a cherry red liquid that you rub into your skin. It takes less than a minute to be absorbed.

      Look up http://www.vitaminb12deficiency.net.au for more information and use the Contact Us feature to email a request for product and ordering information.

      I have used this product for a year and am very happy with my health improvement. This product is comparable in effectiveness to subcutaneous injections of B12, and provides more even availability of B12 than IM injections. No prescription is required. It comes from Australia, so one downside is higher shipping costs.

      • Cruising around on the web, I have that the product has recently become available through b12oils.com . The one you want is the adenosyl/methyl mix. I too have been using the product a year now and it like Lynn, I have found it very good.

  4. @KMBSM – I’m very sorry you had to suffer so long before getting a proper diagnosis.

    You should look into the “active b12 protocol”. (Do a search on Google.) There are discussions at formus.phoenixrising.me. Although this site is primarily focused on CFS, you should find kindred souls with similar experiences.

    There’s another blog post about B12 on Chris Kresser’s site that you should also check out: http://chriskresser.com/what-everyone-especially-vegetarians-should-know-about-b12-deficiency .

  5. Hello, I am so happy to have found this website, for years I’ve been seeing a neurologist who knew me when I first walked into his office with a cane, then onto a walker and now a wheelchair. He knew that I had a lesion on my spine, that my B-12 level was low, kept saying that I might have MS come back in three months. I , like many others, trusted that the doctor knew what he was talking about until I questioned why he wasn’t looking further with testing, second opinions, etc. I finally on my own made a decision to get a second opinion, I went to a neurologist at a major hospital in a major city who sent me for more testing, CatScans, MRI’s and most importantly numerous bloodwork testings, some of which the lab technician never heard of. Within a month and a half after years of searching, this neurologist made the diagnosis of severe B12 deficiency. He said that unfortunately he couldn’t reverse the damage that was done to my spine, my whole left side is weak, similar to someone who has had a stroke or possibly MS. I have been hoping to find a support group to be able to share experiences and hopefully to help each other to learn more about this condition and so that I can help someone so that they don’t have to suffer the same way that I am. The only other website that I have found besides this one is in England. I am 63 years old and am hoping to not only learn more to help myself but also to help others. I feel that doctors should add B-12 testing into routine bloodwork testing.

  6. You stated that many Paleo diet followers you see who eat meat 2-3 times a day are B12 def. Why are they not added to the list of groups of people who are at risk of being B12 def?

    • Because unless they have pernicious anemia, like me, they are not at risk. However, having a diet that does not contain viable B12, like vegetarian or veganism, means they are.

      • I would be quite interested to know why people on a paleo diet would be deficient, unless it is lack of folate. Is there something else we are missing

  7. Are they checking folate also?? The two work together. Also, do you have any integrative or natural path doc’s in your town that are more well versed in B-12. This may be the route you need to go. Sometimes, hormones can cause the tiredness also. Have they run full thyroid panels on either of you. T3-T4. Chris Kresser has info about thyroid issues on his blog also. Either or you loosing hair, having extreme pain with menstal cycles, cystic acne, and etc. These can be all signs of thyroid issues also if b-12 is coming up.

  8. I was wondering if the numbers from b-12 blood tests are the same from the U.S. to other countries?
    My first test was 140, five years ago. I moved and got a 195, four months ago. (I live in the U.S.) My doctors once again only give me a shot 1x per month. I came in with numb, hands and feet, fatigue, shortness of breath four months ago. ( I am the one who insisted on the test in the first place or I doubt it would have happened at all ) I am not a vegetarian so it is an absorption issue. 1 month ago I started 2 tabs of 5,000 mcg methylcobalmin sub lingual tabs daily. After 4 months of shots and adding tabs for about a month I went in to the Dr. again because my fatigue was horrible and numbness and shortness of breath was still happening and I had numbness in half my face. They decided to run a new test even though I told them I just had a shot 72 hours earlier. They said if my levels were below 200 again then I must really be deficient. The Dr. wanted to write a prescription for antidepressants but I said no and asked him why he thought I needed it. He thought maybe I was depressed and that was why I was still so tired. He refused to add an extra vitamin shot in a month but was willing to give me major drugs I don’t need? A few days later the nurse called with the ‘good news’ of the test results.I got a 540. They were very happy with that because I was back to ‘normal’. I held the phone with my hand tingling and wondered “What do I do now?” I was considered ‘all better’ according to the doctor.
    I read other posts here whose doctors are concerned at 490? What am I missing? My 16 yr old daughter was recently tested (again, at my insistence) because she is tired all the time and her number was 290. They told me she was within normal levels and wasn’t deficient and didn’t even suggest I give her oral b-12. She is tired all the time, is a vegetarian since age 8, and has a family history of B-12 deficiency. I don’t get it!!! I started giving her the same sub-lingual for the last 2 months but she is not much better. If they think she is in normal range they will not give her shots. I thought I would try to give one more idea a try so I took in the book ‘Is it b-12 deficiency?.. and asked the Dr. if he would be willing to read the section for physicians and he said yes and asked for a week to get to it. It has been more than a month and I have not heard anything back even though I called a few days ago to ask the nurse to have him call me. If he dismisses what he reads then what? I will go and get my book back in a day or two if he doesn’t call me. I guess I have his answer by then. I have been to a few other Dr.s after we moved here, but so far they all have the same’ knowledge deficiency’ about B-12 deficiency. I have a life I would like to live. I am don’t want to spend precious energy running all over the state trying to find a doctor. Now I am concerned for my daughter too so I can’t give up. I don’t know where to turn. In the U.S. you have to have a prescription to get shots. I can’t just buy them. I have good insurance and pay highly for it and I can’t get a vitamin shot. I am at a loss. What else should I do?

    • Hi Aleatha,
      A couple of answers to your questions.
      No the levels given are different between the different countries. In the US the levels are given as pg/ml, whereas in many countries B12 is measured in pmol/L. Also the range defined as deficient is different. In the US and Australia (and probably NZ) the level of “normal is above 190 pmol/L (~250 pg/ml) whereas is Japan “normal” is above 300 pmol/L. So all very confusing. What is worse is that the level is set by the pathology levels as to what is normal ie what they normally see. It has nothing at all to do with what is clinically normal. Literature strongly suggests that if you are below 300 pmol/L (400 pg/ml) you are sub-clinically deficient in VB12. This they measure by raised homocysteine and MMA levels, which are as a result of deficiency.
      If you want literature on this to show to your GP, please let me know and I can send you the references.
      So, your daughter can be “normal” according to the path lab, but she may not be normal according to the literature, and if she has symptoms that tells you she in not normal.
      Now when you are deficient you can be deficient in two forms of vitamin B12, adenosyl (which gives you energy) and methyl VB12, which helps you methylate). My experience is that people who take high dose methylVB12 still can have signs of VB12 deficiency (low energy etc, ) and do very well if they take topical Adenosyl VB12.
      The next thing is that if you are deficient and take shot of cyanocobalamin (an inactive form of vitamin B12), more than 50% of people don’t respond to it, as they cannot convert this form to Methyl/adenosyl VB12. When you measure the serum, they measure what you are taking, or injected with, BUT this may not be active VB12 (ie Adenosyl or Methyl).
      You can find out more on this at the http://www.vitaminb12deficiency.net.au web-site, and if you have further questions you will find an email contact there.
      The book is quite good, but it doesn’t really go into the chemistry very much, and it is more anecdotal. It is a good start – so too is the web-site.

  9. Hi,
    I am a woman, 33 and my vitamin B level is 490. I want to know if it’s low? I was having tinging sensation and muslc weakness in my left leg. After my GP gave me vit B 12 injection, (he said even 490 is in the lower range) I am feeling much better. HThe pain is much less.He’s also given me vitamin b 12 capsules and has asked to get another vitamin B shot in a coupe of days. My question: Is it normal to have such symptoms? And if 490 is low? Please answer. A neruologist (from a hospital which is known to make moeny) suggested a number of tests scaring me it could be MS. I did NOT go for any tests but chose to first meet my GP> The shots have really helped me. Should I still fear MS? Please answer my queries. Thanks!

    • @abch – In some parts of the world anything below 500 is considered low. I had symptoms at 480 that were alleviated by B12 supplementation.

      The symptoms you describe could be peripheral neuropathy, which is a common symptom of B12 deficiency. B12 deficiency can mimic other symptoms of MS, so it’s important to resolve the deficiency before considering MS as a diagnosis.

      The book “Could it be B12?” does a good job of explaining how B12 deficiency mimics many other diseases, and how it is often mis-diagnosed. There’s a chapter on MS that you should find useful.

      • The B12 test measures both active and inactive forms of B12. So it could be that a large proportion of the B12 measured by your test was inactive.

        • I agree with Lynn. What you need to have in serum is vitamin B12 bound to transcobalamin II, which is the transport protein required to get vitamin B12 into the cells. If you chronic inflammatory conditions you can greatly increase serum haptocorrin levels, which in turn may lead to “apparently elevated” VB12. The fact that VB12 treatment helped you as far as symptoms go, strongly suggests that you have a functional VB12 deficiency.

  10. I am posting a warning to others here who are searching for B-12 to inject. Not all B-12 is the same. Apparently there are no regulations regarding how much B-12 has to be in 1 ml. I ordered some “cheap” Fenyl B-12 from http://www.defymedical.com out of Tampa Fl. and they supplied the B-12 through a “compounding pharmacy” called APS Pharmacy out of Palm Harbor, Fl. I thought I had found a good price since other online vendors were pricing the same 30 ml bottle at around $170 and this was just $45. The difference is that the cheap stuff is watered down. I got no energy boost or any of the other benefit from the Fenyl B-12. You get what you pay for and I think I got mostly water. I got more benefit from the cyanocobalamin I was using before because it was better quality from American regent through my pharmacy. Buyer beware.

    • Hi Robsct, scanning the site you certainly have been active in trying to track down good treatment. I checked out the site http://defymedical.com/services/89-methylcobalamin-vitamin-b-12-injection which is where they are selling the Methylcobalamin. In order for you to compare the effect to the other injectables you would need to be sure that you are injecting the same analogue of VB12. To get your energy boost you need both methyl and adenosylcobalamin. The form you have just tried is only the methyl form. When you inject CN or OHCbl you potentially can make both forms of VB12, Evidence suggests though, that the conversion of Me to Ado or Ado to Me is incredibly inefficient.
      In short, you definitely need BOTH the Ado and MeCbl forms . This is why the TrandermOIl preparation RedB12 was so good for so many.

  11. Yes, b12 deficiency is Not a vegan thing. Most people don’t get it tested. One thing I didn’t see mentioned was that Caffeine can deplete the body of B12 too. Think about all those sodas children are drinking and then the coffee many american’s are addicted to. Maybe considering all this we all should be making sure we get our levels tested.

  12. P.S. I guess I am asking for further clarification on the comment that “plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block intake of and increase the need for true B12.” In another article of yours, Chris, you mention that Kefir has B12 in it. Is this the right kind because it is an animal product? Are you saying that all foods fermented from veggies will deplete B12, or only some of them? Thanks. What does Dr. Campbell-McBride say about this?

  13. Can anyone weigh in on how or to what extent B12 deficiency is caused by or can be cured by eating fermented foods? In my limited research into this topic it seems that the gut produces b vitamins during the normal digestive process and that many fermented foods have b vitamins (tho not sure about b12 or other kinds of vitamins). Could the B12 deficiencies so common be the result of the fact that our culture does not consume a lot of quality fermented foods anmore (tho there is now renewed interest)? I realize beer and wine and cheese and yogurt are consumed a lot in this culture, but I am thinking more of kefir, kimchi, miso, etc. Ideas?

  14. Does anyone know where I can buy the Methylcobalamin B-12 for injections in the USA? It’s not very available and it is very expensive. I do want the shots though. Not interested in other delivery methods. I appreciate a link or a phone number.

      • Mike S., My doctor is ok with giving me a script for B-12 injections. I am already doing C B-12 injections but want to switch to methyl B-12 if I can find any and it’s not really expensive. I will google active B12 protocol as you posted and see what’s there. The only methyl B-12 I’ve found is $75 for 10ml bottle. Thanks.

        • I don’t have experience with injections, so I can’t recommend a pharmacy. But freddd (on the Active B12 thread at phoenixrising.me) has one or two suggestions for compounding pharmacies.

          If you need B12 in the mean time, I’ve had good results with Enzymatic Therapy B12 taken sub-lingually (?). They’re available at lots of mail-order sources.

  15. I am a vegetarian and have for the last two years become increasingly fatigued, had numbness/tingling in my hands and feet, unable to concentrate, difficulty walking from exhaustion and my legs would drop slightly giving me a funny gait.

    Despite intensive blood work, they couldn’t find anything wrong with me. I accidently took 10 of my wife’s B12 tablets thinking they were Vitamin D tablets. I was great all day, it was only when I went to take them the next day I discovered my error. My wife looked up B12 defficiency and found your site.

    It has been a week now and I am feeling better each day, but can I be checked for deficiency while I am taking 6000+ units a day? Will it cause me any challenge? I haven’t been back to my doctor as I am so angry, they knew I was vegetarian and I had all the symptoms, as did the specialist internist.

    • Graham…just speaking from my experience I was taking 20,000 units of B-12 in tablet (Zipmelt) form per day (4 tablets) and when I was tested for B-12 my levels were off the chart but it wasn’t being used by my body and I felt no improvement. When I finally got my doctor to approve B-12 shots…wow…what a difference. I was amazed. I had increased muscle strength and endurance and all my symptoms vanished. I had been B-12 deficient for years and didn’t know it. But only the shots were effective for me.

      • Thanks robsct, I have increased my intake to 10,000 a day but I am still having symptoms.
        My doctor refused to give me shots as my initial reaction to taking the tablets indicated to him that tablets were sufficient.
        My B12 level was 455, but I had only been off the tablets for 2 days. That was as long as I could handle as my neuralogical symptoms and fatigue returned very quickly.

    • @Graham – The test will be skewed by the B12 you are taking. You have to stop taking it for a long time (days or weeks) before your blood level returns to its previous level. OTOH, there are no negatives to taking more B12 than you need.

      FYI – Sub-lingual is more effective than any pill you swallow. And all “methyl B12” are not the same. For more info and suggestions, Google for “active B12 protocol”.

      • Thanks Mike,

        I did the google search but regret to say I cannot understand any of it. To many unknown terms for me.

        I need it all plain and simple.

        I didn’t even understand your statement “FYI – Sub-lingual is more effective than any pill you swallow. And all “methyl B12″ are not the same.”

        • Graham,
          B12 comes in 3 forms – pills you swallow, pills you let dissolve under your tongue (sub-lingual), and injections. The pills you swallow are absorbed at a very low rate – around 1% for anything over 10 ug. Sub-lingual types are absorbed around 10%, if you keep them in place 30-60 minutes. Injectable B12 is 100% absorbed, but it requires a prescription.

          Methyl-B12 (methylcobalamin) and dibencozide (adenosylcobalamin) are the active forms. M-B12 is generally the most useful for to take as supplement, but you may also benefit from taking dibencozide.

          M-B12, and probably also dibencozide, degrades to hydroxocobalamin on exposure to light. So it’s important to keep your supplies in a cool, dark place. Hydroxocobalamin is an inactive form of B12, but it may not benefit you as much as the active form. Cyanocobalamin is B12 with a cyanide atom attached. The kidneys are very efficient at getting rid of cyanocobalamin, so it may not stick around long enough for your body to split it into the usable form.

          M-B12 is a very complex molecule, and it’s hard to test for variations. The general belief is that some sources of M-B12 are chemically similar, but not as active as other forms. There are other people who are much more sensitive than I am to this difference (such as freddd), and they recommend only certain brands because they produce better results. The current recommendation is Enzymatic Therapy brand for M-B12. I take ET M-B12 and Country Life brand dibencozide, although it’s no longer a recommended brand.

          There are a lot of supporting supplements that can help a person with B12 deficiency. Potassium is important. If you develop a muscle twitch or cramps, you need to boost potassium intake, but it’s best to take extra and keep that from happening. Magnesium is important for absorption and use of potassium. Some of the other recommendations are for methylfolate (the active form of folate or folic acid), zinc, calcium, D, E, C, chromium, selenium, TMG, and the other B vitamins.

          I took methylfolate for about a year, but had to stop because it made me feel woozy for about an hour afterward. Not everyone needs it or benefits from it.

  16. Hi Chris,
    I wanted to see if you have any information on what might cause high b-12 results. My 8 y/o dd came back with a result over 1500. Ped office is not concerned, said they only worry if it is low. My dd has IBS with frusctose malabsorption and she does tend to eat more meat because fruit and veggies are not her favorite. She was also supplementing prior to the test with Re-New life Ultra Flora probiotics (25 billion cells) the week prior to the test. All of her other lab tests have come back normal – CBC and Chemistry panel.

  17. Thank You Kris!!! Finally, you made sense of so much confusion and answered questions my doctors couldn’t answer. After years of weird symptoms and no resolve I went into the doctor and spilled the beans about every weird seemingly unconnected symptom I had. I didn’t care if they thought I was nuts I wanted help. I had had tons of tests of all kinds as I went in with my symptoms over the course of several years. Scans, blood work, ex-rays, breathing tests,the works. Not once did any doctor check for b-12 levels! A simple, cheap test! Finally that day with a look of exasperation my doctor decided to see if I was deficient in anything. I was in my late 30’s and didn’t seem to have other risk factors, so she doubted it. My level was 150.I got a call right away that I was very low and should come in to get shots. I asked how often and was told 1x per month. I asked why I was deficient or wondered if we shouldn’t figure out the cause and was told that sometimes when people get older this happens. Older? I was 39! The shots helped but I still had symptoms. I was slightly less tired especially a few days after a shot. I was not told I should continue shots indefinitely. I was not a vegetarian, had not had stomach bypass surgery and was not old, so why? My doctor explained that it didn’t really matter because the treatment was the same. B-12 shots. 6 years later I moved across the country and got a new doctor. Now in my mid 40’s I have only added to my symptoms. I had a gap when I didn’t get shots but had started using a daily sub lingual liquid. I went to my new doctor and told him I was b-12 deficient and would need to get shots again. He asked if I was getting them to boost my energy.I said I had many symptoms and was truly deficient. He seemed skeptical. There were troubles obtaining my old records so months passed. I went in for different symptoms which he ran tests about but of course they were normal. I finally insisted he run and b-12 test. In all these years I have gotten worse and my levels came back at 190. I got the same answer as to wanting to find the reason and go the same response. I was told to come in for shots 1x a month. I am now taking matters into my own hands because I felt that I didn’t just have a little vitamin problem. The research I have done has astounded me! I have many of the symptoms of pernicious anemia. I have began to have stomach issues as well. I asked about the difference between pernicious anemia and b-12 deficiency and he looked at me like I was dumb and said that my blood work did not show I was anemic. I called today to see what labs had been run and found out that the one needed to discover if I have pernicious anemia was never run! I have decided that I am going to see a gastroenterology specialist and insist on the tests to find out if I have pernicious anemia, if it’s not that I will check on something else. I now know I have been very under treated for years! I only hope I can feel better once I get proper treatment and some of my damage are not permanent. I feel so cheated! I have lived in big cities, going to doctors with prestigious educations. This is just not hard stuff. I was tired, my hands and feet tingle, I am short of breath for no good reason, my heart sometimes races, now my bowels clear out for no reason and sometimes feel like they are full of acid and burn me. I had such word retrieval problems I was truly scared and tried to laugh it off and wondered why. Your article is the first time anyone has explained what has been happening to me and why!
    I hope I can find someone who knows what they are doing and I can receive the treatments I need at the right doses. If my numbers improve,what should I even shoot for? Since most doctors think 200 is in the normal range! I just took my vegetarian daughter in because she has been too tired for her age. I insisted they do a D and B-12. Her D is low (23) and they said her b-12 was normal. I asked for the actual numbers. 270. She is 16! They were perfectly fine with that. I am not.Thank you for your help! I really needed it.

    • Hi Aleatha,
      Welcome to the site. If you scroll through it you will find many answers to many questions. One answer you will not find though is why doctors keep failing to recognize, diagnose and treat VB12 deficiency. I think you will find that most people share your frustration. The next thing you will not find is why the doctors keep insisting that you have sufficient VB12 once the path lab says you have. The path labs only report on the standard range that they see from day to day. If you fall within the 95% confidence limit they deem you as “normal”. Literature suggests though that to be clinically normal you should be greater than 400 pg/ml or >300 pmol/L. Even this may be a little low. It is a bit more complicated than this (as you will find as you read more).
      Your daughter vitamin D level is extremely low, doctors here are recommending above 100, also her vitamin B12 level is at best marginal.

      If you want to be armed with literature to push under the nose of your doctor please contact me directly and I can give you a list of references. grj”@”mentorconsulting.net.

      I would strongly urge you to get better treatment. Whilst you have any signs of overt deficiency, remember there are much worse things happening in your brain.

      There is also more info at http://www.vitaminb12deficiency.net.au/Home.htm

      Good luck.

      • Thank you for your information and offer for more. I will follow up. I want to have a solid level of knowledge when I go to the doctor. I hope to remain firm in the face of skepticism and ignorance/apathy, I am not sure which. I have been trying to fix a deficit the size of a bathtub a drop at a time and only once a month at that! No more. I have no idea who can help me but there must be someone in the Salt Lake City area. We have a huge medical university (University of Utah) that does a lot of medical research. Perhaps I can start there. Are there any particular posts here that might be more helpful than others for me? There are so many!

        • You have to understand that doctors get about 12 hours of training in nutrition during their entire schooling. Most wouldn’t know a b12 deficiency if it bit them in the ass. California is the first state in US (and still the only) to make courses in nutrition mandatory in medical schools and that was just last year!

          I googled “Salt Lake City Alternative doctors” and the yellow pages show over 150 listings. My alternative doctor is 6th generation Chinese medicine doctor and an MD. He lets me pick a nutritional solution or a prescription for my issues.

  18. where can I buy decently priced methlycobalamin injections/vial online? some say to watch where u buy it from? thank you..

  19. This site I hope will help me as far as changing from Cyanaocobalamin to Methylcobalamin. Same story here just more whacky. Diagnosed at 17, now 24, with injections of Cyana at 1 ml every week, sometimes 2 due to menstrual cycle per general practitioner. Have also started noticing decline in effectiveness of weekly injections with more severe symptoms. Also have severe neuro damage. The important thing to absolutely stress is to not settle with a MD that brushes you off. Also, watch out for shortages of B12 at your pharmacies, as that has been a occurrence for me anyway. Currently keeping an eye on positive RA/Lupus factor. Definitely have pernicious anemia, also sjogrens syndrome. Hopefully will see a difference with change of subcute B12, thank you for the information. 🙂

    • Hi Ana,
      Interesting that you were having so many shots of CN-Cbl and still had symptoms that are getting worse. There was a study showing that 50% or people getting CNCbl shots were unresponsive and I guess that you are now one of these. The high inflammatory response seen with RA/Lupus consumes so much VB12 due to reaction with NO produced in the inflammatory process, plus macrophages, which are highly activated in chronic inflammation consume lots of B12 and folate. This is particularly common in people with RA, of whom over 50% are VB12 deficient.
      As for switching from CN-Cbl this would certainly be a good idea, as you probably are now in the situation where you can’t convert it to methyl and adenosylcobalamin. Your neuronal conditions would certainly suggest that you need at least MethylCbl, but if you need MeCbl you will also need AdoCbl as well.
      Recently it has been shown that 2.4% of all cases of VB12 deficiency are associated with Sjogen,s syndrome, so you effectively have a triple whammy with your RA/Lupus/Sjorgen’s
      You probably already know this, but vitamin D is very important as part of the treatment for RA and Lupus, so if you haven’t already had your levels checked it may be advisable to do so. Doctors are currently recommending that vitamin D levels be above 100 nmol/L (`40ng/ml).

  20. Dear All! I had a really low Vit B12 reading (Total Serum – 84) and had all the usual symptoms as described here – numbing, tingling etc. The i have been on shots for few weeks on a weekly basis then was switched to once every 2 weeks and then switched to once a month basis after a blood work revealed my levels were around 1800. My question is this: I feel pretty bad with all the symptoms coming back right around the time when i am due for a shot. Is this normal? I think i am also suffering from Erectile problems? Could this also be B12 related?

    thanks,
    Val

    • Dear Val,
      Yes this is all to be expected. I don’t know why they only give the shots so infrequently. Clearly the shots are not stocking up the levels of vitamin B12 in the liver or more importantly in the brain, as otherwise you would be able to go for a lot longer without shots. For the life of me I can’t understand why doctors and PA patients don’t understand this. If it was restocking, you can exist for years without another injection, as when people turn to veganism with no VB12 in their diet it takes years to become deficient.
      I think that this is one of the huge advantages of the trandermOil approach to vitamin B12 administration, there the material seeps through the skin over time, therefore allowing restocking.
      Yes erectile dysfunction, low sperm counts, low libido, etc are all signs of vitamin B12 deficiency.

        • Hi Val,
          Whilst there is no harm in taking excess VB12 particularly if you tolerate the injections, I personally believe that for people who are deficient the spray and the patch are a waste of money as they deliver so little material.
          Apparently the transdermoil site is down for another month due to issues getting a new web-site up and running.
          If you really want the product you can email greg at grj”at”mentorconsulting.net. Apparently he has stocks at the moment.