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The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 1

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Many of you have probably heard of the ‘alkaline diet’. There are a few different versions of the acid-alkaline theory circulating the internet, but the basic claim is that the foods we eat leave behind an ‘ash’ after they are metabolized, and this ash can be acid or alkaline (alkaline meaning more basic on the pH scale).

According to the theory, it is in our best interest to make sure we eat more alkaline foods than acid foods, so that we end up with an overall alkaline load on our body. This will supposedly protect us from the diseases of modern civilization, whereas eating a diet with a net acid load will make us vulnerable to everything from cancer to osteoporosis. To make sure we stay alkaline, they recommend keeping track of urine or saliva pH using handy pH test strips.

In this two-part series, I will address the main claims made by proponents of the alkaline diet, and will hopefully clear up some confusion about what it all means for your health.

Will eating an alkaline diet make you and your bones healthier?

Foods can influence our urine pH

Before I start dismantling this theory, I want to acknowledge a couple things they get right. First, foods do leave behind acid or alkaline ash. The type of ‘ash’ is determined by the relative content of acid-forming components such as phosphate and sulfur, and alkalis such as calcium, magnesium, and potassium. (1, 2) In general, animal products and grains are acid forming, while fruits and vegetables are alkali forming. Pure fats, sugars, and starches are neutral, because they don’t contain protein, sulfur, or minerals.

It’s also true that the foods we eat change the pH of our urine. (3, 4) If you have a green smoothie for breakfast, for example, your pee a few hours later will likely be more alkaline than that of someone who had bacon and eggs. As a side note, it’s also very easy to measure your urine pH, and I think this is one of the big draws of the alkaline diet. Everyone can probably agree that it’s satisfying to see concrete improvements in health markers depending on your diet, and pH testing gives people that instant gratification they desire. However, as you’ll see below, urine pH is not a good indicator of the overall pH of the body, nor is it a good indicator of general health.

Foods don’t influence our blood pH

Proponents of the alkaline diet have put forth a few different theories about how an acidic diet harms our health. The more ridiculous claim is that we can change the pH of our blood by changing the foods we eat, and that acidic blood causes disease while alkaline blood prevents it. This is not true. The body tightly regulates the pH of our blood and extracellular fluid, and we cannot influence our blood pH by changing our diet. (5, 6) High doses of sodium bicarbonate can temporarily increase blood pH, but not without causing uncomfortable GI symptoms. (7, 8) And there are certainly circumstances in which the blood is more acidic than it should be, and this does have serious health consequences. However, this state of acidosis is caused by pathological conditions such as chronic renal insufficiency, not by whether you choose to eat a salad or a burger. In other words, regardless of what you eat or what your urine pH is, you can be pretty confident that your blood pH is hovering around a comfortable 7.4.

A more nuanced claim has been proposed specifically regarding bone health, and this hypothesis is addressed somewhat extensively in the scientific literature. It supposes that in order to keep blood pH constant, the body pulls minerals from our bones to neutralize any excess acid that is produced from our diet. Thus, net acid-forming diets (such as the typical Western diet) can cause bone demineralization and osteoporosis. This hypothesis, often referred to as the ‘acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis,’ is what I will discuss for the rest of this article. I’ll address some of the other health claims in part two.

The kidneys – not bone – regulate blood pH

While more reasonable than the first claim, the acid-ash hypothesis seems to completely disregard the vital role the kidneys play in regulating body pH. The kidneys are well equipped to deal with ‘acid ash.’ When we digest things like protein, the acids produced are quickly buffered by bicarbonate ions in the blood. (7) This reaction produces carbon dioxide, which is exhaled through the lungs, and salts, which are excreted by the kidneys. During the process of excretion, the kidneys produce ‘new’ bicarbonate ions, which are returned to the blood to replace the bicarbonate that was initially used to buffer the acid. This creates a sustainable cycle in which the body is able to maintain the pH of the blood, with no involvement from the bones whatsoever.

Thus, our understanding of acid-base physiology does not support the theory that net acid-forming diets cause loss of bone minerals and osteoporosis. But just for argument’s sake, let’s say that our renal system cannot handle the acid load of the modern diet. If bones were used to buffer this excess acid, we would expect to see evidence of this taking place in clinical trials. Alas, that is not the case.

Clinical trials do not support the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis

At first glance, some of the studies may look convincing, because higher acid diets often increase the excretion of calcium in the urine. Some researchers assumed that this extra calcium was coming from bone. (8) However, when calcium balance (intake minus excretion) was measured, researchers found that acid-forming diets do not have a negative effect on calcium metabolism. (9) Some studies found that supplementing with potassium salts (intended to neutralize excess acid) had beneficial effects on markers for bone health, which would tend to support the acid-ash hypothesis. However, these results were only observed in the first few weeks of supplementation, and long-term trials did not find any benefit to bone health from these alkalizing salts. (10)

Finally, even though the hypothesis holds that higher intakes of protein and phosphate are acidifying and therefore detrimental to bone health, multiple studies have shown that increasing protein or phosphate intake has positive effects on calcium metabolism and on markers for bone health. (11, 12) Summarizing the clinical evidence, two different meta-analyses and a review paper all concluded that randomized controlled trials do not support the hypothesis that acidifying diets cause loss of bone mineral and osteoporosis. (13, 14, 15)

So, it appears that neither physiology nor clinical trials support the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis. But again, just for argument’s sake, let’s suppose that these trials are imperfect (which they are, of course; no science is perfect!), and thus we can’t depend on their conclusions. If the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis were true, we would expect to see an association between net acid-producing diets and osteoporosis in observational studies. Yet again, this is not the case.

Observational studies do not support the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis

Observational studies have not found a correlation between dietary acid load and bone mineral density (BMD) or fracture risk, nor have they found a correlation between urine pH and BMD or fracture risk. (16, 17, 18) Additionally, higher protein intakes are correlated with better bone health in multiple studies, even though high-protein diets are generally net acid forming. (19) In fact, animal protein in particular (the most acid-forming food of all) has been associated with better bone health. (20, 21) Imagine that! One study included in a recent meta-analysis did find an association between higher protein intake and greater risk for fracture (22), but compared to the numerous more recent studies showing the opposite, this evidence isn’t very strong. Overall, the acid-ash hypothesis of osteoporosis is not supported by physiology, clinical trials, or observational data.

Hopefully I’ve given you a decent understanding of how our bodies handle pH balance, and have reassured you that you don’t need to worry about the acidity of your urine with regards to bone health. Click HERE for part two where I tackle some of the other claims of the alkaline diet!

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  1. I think it’s pretty obvious to someone who has studied biochemistry and nutrition why the alkaline diet is silly, and that the main health benefits people perceive from this diet are due to the fact that they are increasing their intake of nutrient-rich greens and vegetables. But I find that trying to make these basic arguments to people who think they’ve learned something “on the net” is a pretty futile endeavor. However, I appreciate your efforts to do just that.

    • Exactly, and ironically many of the health properties from the mythical “alkaline diet” are due to acids in the foods.

      • I eat a high protein, low carb diet (got onto it to control my blood sugar level as I am a type 1 diabetic). I would eat less protein, and have a higher ratio of fat to protein/carbs, if my job was not so physical (brickpaving/limestone block laying).
        I suffer from MRSA and con get constant boils inside my nose for weeks on end.
        Now, when I get an outbreak of MRSA, I do a urine test for ph levels. Invariably, when the outbreaks occur, the figure is low (5-6).
        The fastest way for me to clear the outbreak is to drink sodium bicarbonate mixed with water.
        Within hours, a urine test will show a much higher ph level (7-8).
        If i maintain my urine ph at this level, the MRSA quickly recedes, and will stay dormant if I keep my urine ph at this level. The only change I make to my diet is to drink sodium bicarbonate mixed with water.
        My diet is extremely strict (to control my blood sugar), this is the only variable that is altered.
        If it is not lower acid helping me here, what is?

        • In order to regulate pH in the body the kidney will actively and passively pull bicarbonate from the GI tract. This article neglects to mention this very important fact. I have a disorder where my blood gets alkaline, I get sick, and I have to drink lemon water. I would die if the lemon water didn’t supply my kidneys with the necessary ingredients to give my blood the proper pH. In a pinch I can use sodium bicarb, but the lemon water seems more effective.

  2. There is one condition when the effect of food on urine pH need be factored in, and that is recurrent kidney stone formation. Urate stones are more easily formed if your urine has a pH of less than 6.5, while calcium phosphate stones are more easily formed in an alkaline environment, ie above pH 7. So recurrent stone formers would be wise to eat a balanced diet causing their urine to be between pH 6.5 and 7. This means eating both acid-forming and alkalising foods, in equal amounts.

  3. Thank you for debunking that absolute absurdity in a perfectly scientific way. Although you clearly have some rather emotional responses to your objective and well-evidenced article, this is a credible argument unclouded by paranoia, naiveté, or misrepresented data.

  4. I produce Uric acid stones and have been told by my Dr. to consider a low high alkaline diet and take baking soda everyday. The pain that comes when the stones start to move is debilitating. They are fun to pass also.

    • There is no such thing as a high alkaline diet. ALL foods get metabolized in to acids and diet does not regulate pH.

      Furthermore, ingesting baking soda everyday is a very bad idea, which can lead to numerous diseases and disorders including cancer, heart disease, immune suppression, hormones and neurotransmitter imbalances, etc. Read this thread:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=25527

      Ingesting baking soda does not alkalize anything other than the stomach acid, which again can lead to numerous diseases and disorders.

      That being said baking soda has been used to reduce uric acid levels, such as in gout. But NOT from neutralizing the acid. The sodium from the sodium chloride salt formed when the baking soda is neutralized in the stomach converts the uric acid in to a more soluble sodium urate, which is easier for the body to excrete. Potassium is even better as potassium urate is much more soluble than sodium urate. Therefore, one of the things I would recommend are high potassium foods such as oranges, mangoes, papaya, kiwis, and ripe bananas (potassium content of bananas increase with ripening as potassium gets pulled in to the fruit during ripening).

      Other things I would recommend include supplementing with nettle leaf and magnesium malate, which are both excellent for getting rid of uric acid. Juniper berries are also great at eliminating uric acid, but they can also really drop blood sugar so they have to be used more cautiously.

      You should also look for the cause of the increased uric acid. Caffeine use, diuretics, lack of water intake, high fructose intake, hypothyroidism, alcohols or high purine intake, etc. so the cause can also be addressed.

      • ALL foods do not get metabolized into acids.

        Minerals present in food are well… Minerals in food. Minerals are not metbolized into acids.

        Food does not regulate blood PH.
        No shit Dick Tracy. A high protein diet with all those Amino Acids, low in alkaline foods with alkalizing minerals affects blood PH.

        Your body then senses this and adjusts your mineral composition accordingly, excreting excess through the kidneys.

        I advise anyone and everyone to avoid this James guy at all costs as he seems to be ona mission to “prove he’s right” when he constantly does nothing more than provide misinformation in most cases.

        • A high protein diet can increase uric acid load since the metabolism of amino acids forms highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia. To protect itself the body converts the toxic ammonia in to uric acid, which serves several purposes including being a primary antioxidant for the body.

          Although diet is not the only reason for elevated uric acid or increased risk of uric acid stones. Some factors include hypothyroidism, alcohol use, high purine intake, some medications, dehydration, hemolytic anemia, some cancers, etc.

      • James, can you clarify for me please? A lot of people are saying that potassium should help ease the burden on the kidney’s, are you saying potassium is not recommended in large quantities?

        • What I said in my earlier post is that potassium can help make uric acid more soluble by converting it to potassium urate. And therefore I recommended high potassium foods.

          Can excessive levels of potassium be dangerous? Yes. Excess potassium can cause heart arrhythmias and even stop the heart. Unless retaining potassium for some reason though such as if on potassium sparing diuretics it would be pretty hard to overdo potassium rich foods like kiwis or mangoes.

  5. I am a type 1 diabetic, self-employed and work physically (brick-paving/limestone block-laying).
    Due my chronic illness, and the physical nature of work, I have been on a high protein diet for about the last 5 years.
    I have read extensively about reducing carbohydrate in my diet as the less carbs I consume, the less insulin I need. The less insulin I need, the less my blood sugar fluctuates and the better off I am (the headaches/muscles contraction/loss of memory/inability to concentrate caused by a significant low sugar level are debilitating, a long-term higher than normal sugar level leads to many significant complications. The balance between the two could not be achieved on a high carb diet).
    I would ideally be on a diet higher in fat, and lower in protein, except I need the energy from the extra protein for work.
    About 5 months ago, I started getting boils in the front of my nose.
    I didn’t stop work, because I had goals I wanted to achieve.
    I was treating the boils with hydrogen peroxide, which generally helped, but they continuously returned.
    Toward the end of the year, one would form as soon as the previous one had been treated.
    I started reading about possible causes on the ‘net.
    I decided to try alkalizing my diet.
    I added in significantly more green, but most significantly, drank water with sodium bicarbonate.
    A few days after starting to drink the water with sodium bicarbonate in it, my urine tests started to show a pH of 7-8, at the beginning, it was 5-6.
    Once my urine tests were in the higher range, several things happened.
    1) boils stopped forming (I have had one or two since, and these have coincided with lower pH readings).
    2) I have been able to relax, and sleep well. This is something I didn’t realise I hadn’t been doing. My heart rate and breathing, while lying in bed, just weren’t slowing down the way they should. Now good.
    3) Muscle soreness is significantly reduced. I do a lot of yoga, and, even though I was practising often, tightness (especially in my lower back and neck) was still nagging me. Once my urine pH was more alkaline, this greatly improved.
    4) A nagging cough I couldn’t get rid of is gone.
    Anyway, this is what I have found which is contradictory to the article above.

    • umm you just explained how kidneys worked. you changed the pH, the kidneys took out the extra pH. is why it went from 5-6 to 7-8. drinking the water made the pH higher value number.

      also you may have been slightly acidic. so rebalancing your ph may have helped. or its the greens you were eating.

      • ‘umm’ from the article: ‘…urine pH is not a good indicator of overall pH in the body, nor is it a good indicator of general health.’

    • Why didn’t you go see a dermatologist to get a definate answer?

      Reoccuring boils? Stress and high protein diet? Are you sure they’re not blisters?
      Sounds like you recently contracted herpes to me. It’s not uncommon for it to hang out near the nose, cheeks, and chin instead of the mouth. Herpes is fueled by high protein (specifically- arginine) diets. Herpes is worse when you first contract it, then gradually the immune system learns how to keep it at bay so the virus hides in nearby nerves where the immune system won’t attack it, but as soon as your immune system is weakened (either by stress or illness) and/or your diet is high in arginine again, a herpes outbreak will occur.

      You can get herpes from kissing or sharing eating utensils with a person who has herpes. It’s also possible that you contracted it in the past and it’s only now that you are developing symptoms, so don’t go casually blaming people for it. A lot of people can have the virus but never have an outbreak. Some only get them when they’re sick (hence “cold sore”). Unfortunately, it’s also possible for people to have the virus (possibly unknowingly) and shed it without obvious visible symptoms. This is called “viral shedding” and it can be just as infectous as a blister. This is why it’s still important to be cautious about who you kiss or share eating utensils with.

  6. I’d like to think that you are just wrong, because the alternative is quite nefarious. You will have sold you soul and abandoned your Hippocratic Oath by spreading such “alternative facts” on this subject.

  7. Because the maintenance of the blood pH is the highest good, the acid H + is transported into the tissue, stored there to the collagen (structural protein in the connective tissue) as well as the proteoglycans (particularly strongly glycosylated glycoproteins) and the glycosaminoglycans (carbohydrates in which a large Number of simple sugars are linked via a glycosidic bond), which act as a buffer. If more and more acid H + accumulate in the tissue over time, this is referred to as acid re-accumulation in the connective tissue “hyperacidity” or “slagging”. A bicarbonate deficit in the blood tries to balance the body by removing the bicarbonate from the bone. As a result, the bone structure breaks down, leaving calcium free. Is this correct Chris?

  8. Reading through these threads it is clear to me that most of the alkaline diet proponents are grasping at straws to keep their delusion alive.
    The body has mechanisms to maintain homeostasis. That is, pH, as well as blood levels of minerals, O2, CO2, temperature, heart rate, and bloody everything! needs to be in a narrow range for the body to operate properly. It has evolved mechanisms which do this regardless of most normal and abnormal influences from both within and without, including what we eat.
    Alkalosis can be caused by a number of different factors. Please see
    http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/hormonal-and-metabolic-disorders/acid-base-balance/alkalosis
    Please note that this happens when the natural balance is disturbed by something like renal failure, severe dehydration, low blood O2 levels. Interestingly, one thing that may cause it is an overdose of bicarbonate (baking soda). Why? In the absence of other problems, *the body has enough bicarbonate of its own.* Its called the bicarbonate buffer system. The equation looks like this:

    C O 2 + H 2 O ⇄ H 2 C O 3 ⇄ H C O 3 − + H + {\displaystyle {\rm {CO_{2}+H_{2}O\rightleftarrows H_{2}CO_{3}\rightleftarrows HCO_{3}^{-}+H^{+}}}} {\displaystyle {\rm {CO_{2}+H_{2}O\rightleftarrows H_{2}CO_{3}\rightleftarrows HCO_{3}^{-}+H^{+}}}}

    Too much acid? Excess H ions will react with bicarb ions. Too much base and the system works in the opposite direction utilizing carbonic acid. What’s more, each of the body’s cells does this all day.
    So. Fluctuations happen, they are normal and natural, and the body has its own very effective method of dealing with them. You CAN overwhelm the body’s homeostatic mechanisms by consuming a box of baking soda or NaOH (lye) drops in your water, but eating too much meat or not enough lemons is not going to do it. You cannot prevent all fluctuations, because the body is an open and organic system. The fluctuations, again, are inevitable, natural, and not an indication of “chronic acid damage” or whatever some of you are on about. Even if you could manipulate your blood pH with regular food, you could not do so with any precision. The above examples should show how this can get you into deep trouble.

    As for the alkalizing drops, they appear to sell for about 10 dollars for a tiny little dropper bottle. It would be way cheaper to buy a big bottle of Drano. At least some of them have the same active ingredient.

    I don’t think anyone is suggesting that healthy fruits and vegetables are useless in terms of health. The reasons, though, don’t have to do with this weird alkaline hypothesis.

    In addition, “resorption pits” caused in bone by osteoclasts are also natural and happen all the time. Your bones are being constantly remodeled in response to the stresses (or lack thereof) placed on them. Osteoclasts tear down some bone here, while osteoblasts will build some more over there. This is how broken bones get repaired, and it’s also how exercise and resistance training can actually increase the density of your bones and make you less susceptible to osteoporosis. Pretty cool, huh?

    Also, to the person whose acne resolved when the alkalizing pump was installed and he had to drink the tap water….um, you had to wash your face with it too, right? This would be a more likely factor for that change. Just saying.

    • Your argument is full of the subtle telltale signs that you are here to serve the cancer industry and their puppet masters who want to kill off as many humans in as many different slow and fast ways that they can, because they are not themselves human or secretly consider themselves superior to most humans and they want to keep the American citizenry defined as the enemy, as has been the case since 1871 when the real Constitution was suspended and THE CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES hijacked the Republic in a coup d’etat by the Satanists…. You all give yourselves away, because you are not half as bright as you think you are, and the Devil is a jealous imitator who wouldn’t know authenticity if it slapped him in the face, so he doesn’t know when he is giving himself away.

        • The sad part here is, this person clearly needs psychological medication, but is highly unlikely to seek help, or be talked into help because the condition prevents treatment…

      • I have a friend that is a doctor. Now we all know that a doctor can be wrong on an diagnoses. Now when they tell you about something that they learned in Med School, well that is different. My dr. friend told me that our kidneys have an amazing ability to keep blood PH at just above 7. there are definite benefits to eating healthy. lets try to keep the fact straight. Those of you who want to comment on his conspiracy. Well you are falling under a lie at this very moment. Also think who is going to pay the money to buy these supplements, Us! Or should we believe the doctors. they don’t have there hand. God Bless!

        • Whole food is not a supplement.
          But go ahead, fill your face with burgers, fries, cakes etc.. You know the classic America diet stuff.

      • I have a Doctor friend. I got caught up in this mass delusion. I spent way to much money. Then he enlightened me with the truth. That elusive thing the truth and it did set me free. He told me that our kidneys are AMAZING organs. They have the ability to keep our blood PH at just above 7. I know that eating healthy is important. As far as test strips go, you are urinating excess acidity in the blood because that is how we get ride of it. So it is going to be more acidic.
        So I think I would trust the doctors. They have nothing to gain from lying. Although this growing industry has plenty to benefit from eluding the truth. Which most have already contributed too. So for those who want to think someone is delusional. I think those who have fallen for this scam and spent money on this. Let’s try to keep it real. Oh wait maybe his blood is too acidic. LOL

        • Yes, your kidneys filter your blood getting rid of excess acidity or whatever else there may be in your blood.

          Your kidneys aren’t going to expel acid unless an excess is detected right!

          With the current American diet acid forming foods are eaten in excess, creating a never ending cycle of slightly acidic blood. Thus Low Grade Chronic Acidosis.

          How long when your blood increases is acidity does it take for your kidneys to get rid of the excess? 1 hour? 2 Hours? or more?

          It’s a never ending cycle that has some negative health consequences. Therefore eating healthy and alkaline forming foods to keep your blood in the optimal PH range, not putting as much pressure on your kidneys etc… Is a good thing. No matter how you look at it.

          • I teach physiology and therefore I believe that I know a little bit about how the body works. Let me try to dispel some of the erroneous notions you have about how kidney functions to maintain the pH balance and also explain how well the pH is maintained by the body utilizing the blood buffer system. The ability of our body to maintain the physiological parameters within a very tight range is called homeostasis. As for pH, the body maintains a pH between 7.35 and 7.45, the average being 7.4. Blood pH is primarily maintained by a buffer system called the bicarbonate buffer system. The bicarbonate system has the ability to move the reaction backward and forward mediated by an amazing enzyme called carbonic anhydrase. Acidity is caused by increase in the H+ ion or otherwise called protons. It is the amount of protons that determine the pH. When we talk about “physiological pH”, it means that the buffering system is capable of capturing the excess protons when they are produced in excess or release protons when the proton concentrations become lower. The capture and release of protons is mediated by the carbonic anhydrase enzyme. These reactions happen in microseconds because excess protons can be harmful. Your contention that urine is acidic because of excess acid in blood is not true. The excess protons produced as a result of metabolic activity is immediately neutralized in the blood by the bicarbonate buffer system. What the kidney does is to remove the excess protons bound to bicarbonate. In the same way, if blood pH turns slightly alkaline, the bicarbonate buffer can release bound protons to bring the pH back into the physiological range. The physiological pH does not usually go beyond the set range in healthy individuals. Blood acidosis and alkalosis occur due to diseases. Food alone will not contribute to the change in pH beyond the normal range. Therefore, as for the alkaline diet, I am not convinced that the diet will influence blood pH in any significant way. Trust in the ability of your body and eat healthy. As someone else mentioned in the thread here, if you see any industry resorting to scare tactics to drive their business, your skepticism antenna should go up immediately.

          • You are really talking about excessive oxidative damage. Even emotional stress does this. Eat foods that help support metabolic pathways and reduce oxidative damage. All this talk about pH is nonsense. The reason vaginal yeast and gut Candida over grow is due to lowered immune function. Destress, get good sleep, eat a variety of whole foods and move your lymphatic(exercise). It’s really not that freaking complicated. Telling people which nuts or fruits or meats are better than the other is ridiculous. Telling people to drink anything other than filtered mineralized water is bogus.

        • The biggest tell tale sign of this scam is how they use scare tactic. If you don’t become healthy and change your blood PH, you could get cancer or a million other health problems. But they can help you with all your health ailments with just a few drops of this magic alkaline drop. You won’t have to worry about pain any more. Sounds like those traveling wagon salesmen. Please search opposing arguments so you can really make an educated decision.

        • @Virgomind.
          Just to clarify a thought process you seem to fall on often: “…doctors. They have nothing to gain from lying.” Actually almost all doctors make a good portion of their income from recommending/prescribing products from the pharmaceutical & supplement industry. No, it’s not some conspiracy theory I’m buying into. I have doctors & nurses in the family & there have been several records showing these “commissions” if you will. However, a doctor who hesitates to prescribe or recommend anything beyond natural diet & excercise could very well be trustworthy enough for you to invest more heavily into their opinion. In the end, a good doctor will tell you no doctor knows your body better than you. It’s up to you to know what’s best, & up to doctors to simply be there as a resource if you have questions.

          • Oh yes and the people selling you on “alkalizing drops” and supplements have NOTHING TO GAIN?
            Don’t be stupid. My aunt is currently dying of cancer because she wasted all her time on bogus “natural” cures and now the tumors are out of hand.

          • “In the end, a good doctor will tell you no doctor knows your body better than you. It’s up to you to know what’s best, & up to doctors to simply be there as a resource if you have questions.”

            Um…no. Yes, a good doctor will tell someone that they can describe their symptoms best and know when something may be amiss…sort of. Regular laypeople have no real understanding of medicine or science. They just don’t. If you are somewhat knowledgeable, educated, intelligent, you can get some information from research and some from doctors…but if you have no basic education about how your body works, and you are consulting sources that are basically lies held together with bandwidth and duct tape, then you are going to end up drawing flawed conclusions. Eat all the veggies and fruits you want to; they are seriously healthy for you. This is not because they are alkaline or change the alkalinity of your blood. Your body can handle hard water (alkaline — usually above 8.4) because it has a bicarbonate buffer system to keep the blood at right around 7.4. It can handle soft water (acid — lower than about 6.5), again, because of the magical bicarb buffer system. So you can drink all the alkaline water you want to; the body is going to attempt to keep the blood at 7.4, and it will pretty much succeed at staying within the range of 7.35 to 7.45, barring any disease process.

  9. I think it has been established firmly that diet does effect urinary pH, due to the bi-products of certain foods….How do these bi-products get to the kidneys??? Through the blood. Although the shift in blood pH is negligible and short a lifetime of these microadjustments can have serious consequences! Nobody believes one glass of milk will give you osteoporosis, but an acid-based diet of animal products and processed food certainly might, and there is a significant amount of data that would point to this.

    • What data?

      And where is the evidence that food alters blood pH? Urinary pH IS NOT blood pH, and a change in urinary pH DOES NOT indicate a change in blood pH. In fact urinary pH can be altered by by things other than diet.

      Even though ALL foods metabolize in to acids this does not mean diet will change blood pH either. The blood pH is maintained within a very narrow range regardless of what you eat since pH IS NOT regulated by diet.

  10. well this is disheartening. my blood tests came back all normal/healthy with the exception of my PH coming in at 5.0. I find this alarming and am scared after reading the negative aspects of acidic blood…. but according to this article there is nothing I can do about it even if I eat nothing but fruit and vegetables. What is a person to do then?!?!?

    • blueskies: “well this is disheartening. my blood tests came back all normal/healthy with the exception of my PH coming in at 5.0.”

      If you had a blood pH of 5 you would be dead. Normal blood pH is 7.36-7.45. Anything slightly out of that range and you would be very ill. Anything more out of range such as a pH of 6 or 8 and you would be on your death bed if not already dead.

      You need to double check your lab report and see what they were testing the pH of. If it does say blood then there is a major lab error or you are a true zombie.

  11. What is the net effect of the body working hard to maintain blood Ph levels when it encounters a constant barrage of acidic foods. My body is pretty good at maintaining my blood sugar levels but that does not make it immune to the damage done carrying out this process

    • ALL foods are acid forming. Many of the so-called alkaline foods actually have acidic pH levels to begin with mostly due to beneficial acids. And again, ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. There is NO such thing as an alkaline forming food. The so-called alkaline diet is a myth.

        • Only if you want to ruin your health. Baking soda IS NOT alkaline in the body. When ingested it is neutralized by the stomach acid forming carbonic acid and sodium chloride salt. So it does not even make it past the stomach acid. If an excess of sodium chloride is formed then hyperchloremic acidosis can result.

          As for ingesting baking soda this can lead to all sorts of health issues including cancer and heart disease. Read this thread for a more detailed explanation:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=25527

    • Robert Mac: “You guys have to take a look at this study:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X0180064X?showall%3Dtrue%26via%
      You can change the ph of your blood… 0.007% …and something special happens… If you are lucky.”

      I see several problems with this study.

      First of all note how they say hypothesized. A hpothesis is an educated guess not backed by any real evidence. Same reason that at the bottom they say “disturbed acid-base balance may contribute to the symptoms of low back pain.” Emphasis on the word “may”.

      Secondly they mention the product used by name, which leads me to believe that the study may have been funded by the manufacturer, which would mean a conflict of interest.

      Then in their findings they don’t separate the results with the number of patients very well, which shows very sloppy research work. For example, did all of the 82 patients have exactly the same 0.007% change in blood pH? Also note they actually wrote “±0.0007”, which would indicate that change either up or down. Regardless, all the values are still in the normal ALKALINE range, not acidic. So where is this supposed latent acidosis they are referring to?

      And finally as the pointed out the only significant increase was in magnesium (11%) increase. Magnesium acts like a natural calcium channel blocker thus relaxing blood vessels and increasing circulation that aids with healing. So again there is no proof of any buffering of any “latent acidosis” as they hypothesize.

  12. Just start listening to your body….it’s ok to read stuff but seriously it’s all about listening to what your body needs. There are certain foods that really work for me and others not so much. Take the time to listen to your needs and not as much about what others are telling you to do?

    • So if your body says I really want some cocaine you are going to listen to your body?

      And what if you are a sugar addict? If your body says I want sugar are you going to load up on ice cream?

      What the body wants and what the body needs are not always the same thing.

        • OK Julia how do you listen to your body when it says it needs cAMP? Or increased methylation? Or acetylcholine?…….

          People often assume they need things based on cravings because the average person does not have the faintest clue how the body really works. Same reason so many people fell for the alkalize for health myth. Or the ingesting baking kills cancer cells myth. Or the parasites cause all cancer and AIDS myth………

          Let me give you a couple of examples and see if you can figure out what is missing.

          A person with asthma needs what?

          A person with osteoporosis needs what?

          A person with diabetes needs what?

          A person with heart disease needs what?

          A person with osteoarthritis needs what?

          A person with UC or Crohn’s needs what?

          A person with senile dementia needs what?

          A person with hypothyroidism needs what?

          A person with an aneurysm needs what?

          Let’s see how many if any of these you can answer properly to start with.

          • Natural magnesium sourced from foods is what you are all really looking for. I personally don’t believe pH levels is to blame for things going wrong in the
            body. I truely believe most ailments/diseases are caused or associated with magnesium
            deficiency. Nothing much works in the body without it like calcium absorption
            cannot occur without enough magnesium. And without enough magnesium the body takes calcium from the bones & when there is an excess of calcium, without magnesium, it goes to our soft tissues (arthritis). Magnesium levels need replacing every day but calcium doesn’t excrete & will build up over time often settling in the wrong places. I think with the right amount of Mg (not supplements) our pH levels will always be normal! 🙂

            • Thank you for being able to finally provide me with a very good explanation to the importance of Magnesium. I have been taking chemo therapy for the past 4.5 years and always test low in Magnesium, supplements don’t raise that value neither does the IV infusion of Magnesium.

              • Unfortunately what you were told is not exactly true.

                Magnesium is essential to many things. In fact about 300 processes in the body. But it is a calcium antagonist, which is why it works like a natural calcium channel blocker and is used for things like preventing migraines and calcium induced high blood pressure.

                Calcium absorption itself is actually dependent on silica and vitamin D, which aid in the absorption. Deposition of calcium and other minerals in the bones is also dependent on silica.

                A lack of magnesium DOES NOT take calcium out of the bones. Calcium loss from bones is most often due to hyperparathyroidism from benign tumors or pseudohyperparathyroidism from excess phosphorus intake. A lack of silica or exercise can also lead to mineral loss from bones.

                And none of the 120 forms of arthritis are from a lack of magnesium. Arthritis actually means inflammation of the joint, not calcium deposition. Bone spurs (osteophytes) can occur in some cases of arthritis, but this is not from a lack of magnesium. Osteophytes, which contain various mineral including calcium and magnesium, are formed from pressure on the bone. In arthritis from bones putting pressure on each other and in other cases from pulling of tendons on bone.

                Finally, magnesium does not regulate our pH. As pointed out previously our pH is regulated almost exclusively by respiration and kidney function.

                As for magnesium supplementation there are different forms of magnesium. The most often used is magnesium oxide because it is the cheapest for manufacturers to use. But the stuff is crap!!!! Magnesium oxide in water forms a caustic magnesium hydroxide. Same as Milk of Magnesia. It is very poorly absorbed, can adversely neutralize stomach acid leading to numerous health problems and is hard on the tissues due to its mildly caustic nature. I prefer acidified forms of magnesium. Magnesium malate is my first choice followed by magnesium citrate.

      • Jame, I don’t think this is what Julia meant, listening to your body is being honest with what you feel. If you eat a big meal at McDonalds and after feels a bit sick that’s listening to your body, if you ignore this feeling and just eat because your body wants this junk food that’s listening to only what your body wants (and not listening to your body)!

        And overall you might have a point in your anti-alkaline diet theory but I wouldn’t be so sure that foods can’t affect your blood ph. Since like you said not everything you want to eat is good for you then some things you eat quiet surely affect everything in your body, whether it’s sugar, fats, or ph levels it’s all part of the same system and affected by one another.

        I’m with Julia on the listening to your body and also to keep learning what could potentially harm you coz some foods defenetly do.

    • I’m also a believer. Paying attention to your body and using common sense, if you feel some tomato craving, go for it.

  13. Very interesting about the acid-bone connection. While it has always seemed logical that calcium from bone would be used as buffer, your article shed new light that makes me question this logic. Thanks.

    • Bones are only used as a buffer as a very last resort. This would require long term and extreme acidosis to break the bones down to any significance. Acidosis this bad is so rare that most doctors will never see such as case in their entire lives.

      On the other hand some bone cells do secrete citric acid to break down old bone for the bone remoldeling process. But this is a good thing as it is essential to maintaining healthy bone.

  14. I think there are more people that try to feed false info than you think and they start like this….. not on your band wagon kid…

    • Kathy it is the uninformed like you who spread such disinformation.

      I had a child die needing five major organ transplants. She was born in both liver and renal failure. She spent her life battling acidosis.

      I developed kidney disease more than a decade later.

      Trust me, if you were truly acidotic from your diet and what you eat, you would not be bopping to the store frequently to buy fresh produce to make your green smoothies!!! You would be sick in bed wishing death would just get it over with already!!!

      People who spread this bunk lack any basic comprehension of how the biochemistry of the body works.

      For one thing, the ph in your stomach thanks to hcl, kcl, NaCl is so caustically high…. You cannot humanly consume anything remotely close to those ph levels bc of the deeply painful burns and damage it causes in your mouth, throat, and esophagus. This is Why the stomach has a very special lining to protect it.

      Then…. After the acid breaks down the food into chyme, it passes into the duodenum where the body has a phenomenal buffering system where it bathes the chyme is such a profoundly basic (alkaline) solution that …. AGAIN!!! You cannot possibly consume Anything nearly as caustic and basic/alkaline as what your body produces to neutralize the foods you have eaten prior to them entering your intestinal tract where nutrients are absorbed into your bloodstream.

      This elegantly elaborate system of acids/bases, brought to you naturally by your body’s own natural design, without you needing to do a damn thing! has been keeping your blood pH in perfect balance since you first came into existence. No need for you or anyone else to manipulate your dietary intake one way or another.

      There are plenty of good reasons for ensuring your diet includes critical basics like fats, proteins, sugars (your brain lives on glucose alone, fyi), fibers, and a wide variety of nutrients and micronutrients and minerals.

      Blood ph manipulation is NOT one of them.

      You cannot alter your blood pH with anything you take by mouth.

      With my child and I being TRULY acidotic (death come take me!!) based on absolute kidney failures, I can tell you:

      Doctors do not give us squat to take orally to control our blood pH. Bc nothing taken orally can affect blood pH. When we are acidotic and at risk fo imminent death, drs give sodium bicarbonate thru an IV!!

      IV DELIVERY OF ACIDS/BASES IS THE ONLY WAY TO ALTER BLOOD PH LEVELS.

      That IS the way to treat acidosis.

      Nothing you eat can affect your blood pH. It just does not work that way.

      • Diet does affect the function of your body. So don’t discard the positive affects that diet can have on allowing your body to self correct. Diet, nutrition & lifestyle all have a positive or negative affect on your bodies function. You are correct that the food you take in does not usually have a direct affect on your bodies function. The critical part that most doctors leave out is how your diet affects your endocrine system, which controls your bodies function and its level of performance. Typically foods with a higher ph support a healthier endocrine system. Not just because they are a higher ph, but because these food are more nutrient dense. The whole concept is to minimize toxins (they have a huge negative affect on the endocrine system) increase you nutrient intake to allow the endocrine system to get back in balance. It’s very hard to address or improve the function of just one hormone. The hormones interact with each other at many different levels. There are no magic pills and not everything works exactly the same way for everyone. Some conditions can not be corrected, but that does not mean to discard the Single most powerful treatment for all diseases.

        • Yes, diet can affect health. But as you point out later in your post this is from the nutritional value, not altering pH since diet DOES NOT alter pH.

          • I think you missed my point. Nutrition affects body function. Maintaining ph is part of body function. Nutrient dense foods tend to be more alkaline and thus help control and maintain normal healthy body function. Nutrition affects or activates proper hormone function and proper hormone function creates a healthy body. Poor nutrition or less nutrient dense foods create dysfunction and disease. Theses foods tend to be more acidic and are not able to promote optimum health.

            • Steve: “Nutrition affects body function. Maintaining ph is part of body function.”

              That is a real stretch and is as ridiculous as claiming that plastic is natural because it comes from oil made by nature.

              Steve: “Nutrient dense foods tend to be more alkaline”

              Actually that is not true. Most of the healthiest foods, including many falsely called “alkaline foods” are actually acidic.

              Steve: ” Nutrition affects or activates proper hormone function and proper hormone function creates a healthy body. ”

              The discussion IS NOT hormone function or activation. The topic is blood pH regulation, which is carried out almost exclusively by respiration and kidney function. Not diet.

              Steve: “Poor nutrition or less nutrient dense foods create dysfunction and disease.”

              There are many reasons for dysfunction and disease.

              Steve: “Theses foods tend to be more acidic and are not able to promote optimum health.”

              And once again that is complete nonsense.

              By the way did you ever stop and consider what many of those nutrients are? For example ascorbic acid, folic acid, pantothenic acid, ascorbic acid, malic acid, chlorogenic acid, acidic polyphenols……….. Even beneficial fibers are fermented in a variety of health promoting acids.

      • Funny thing after all that *Theory* its been Scientifically proven that Sodium Bicarbonate has dramatic effects on weight lifters/endurance athletes through (you guessed it) buffering mechanism within the bloods PH http://www.ergo-log.com/mega-dose-of-sodium-bicarb-helps-bodybuilders-make-more-reps.html.

        So much for “Bunk” eh? I really wish people wouldnt take such lofty positions when they dont actually know what theyre talking about -_- feet cant taste good.

        • Yes, it is bunk. People are not using common sense or scientific facts and therefore are misinterpreting the study.

          Let’s start with common sense and chemistry. What happens to the baking soda when it is ingested? Simple, it is neutralized by the stomach acid forming carbonic acid and sodium chloride salt.

          So how is this supposedly helping to reduce acidity i the blood or muscles when it no longer has any buffering capacity?

          So why does it help? Simple, the sodium chloride is an electrolyte, which can help increase endurance.

  15. I read that high acidity in body can cause cancer and so on… But when I read more about this, do not seem to be correct. So the next step was to Research about it more. I add this keywords on google ” high acidity body myth” and I found this website. Good and clear explanation. Thank you so much!

    • This is partly to mostly wrong and disinform(ed/ing) information….. Yes, it is a myth to overgeneralize into “a person is systemically constant acidic or base / only high or only low pH.”
      The human body, like much of life formations, is cyclical or biorhythmic….. One’s body is extremely unhealthy in a flat-lined pH level….. The average (and timing relative to digestion and other activity) pH between highs and lows is more important…. And of course the body system is generally healthier when the average is mostly in alkaline status outside of increases when one eats a meal. (Eating will increase acid level to help breakdown foods toward bioavailable components….. And the need to increase the pH will partly be determined by amount of 1- viable enzymes, acids, and nutrition profile (K17 type vitamins / oxidizing/anti-oxidizing ratios) and such in foods eaten. Noting that more enzymes are in fully raw foods, is very important 2- ability for one’s body to produce needed enzymes combined and dependent on the body’s health needed to let fluids flow unobstructed to get where needs to go…. much like metabolism functions that get hormones produced and delivered where and at right timing for called upon functions.
      Foods like raw vinegars and fermented foods / probiotic profiles of food and of digestive tract (Anti-biotics are very much unhealthy in this and other senses of protecting and defending healthy systems / body ecology!)….. are very important to / towards or maintaining health.
      Many food additives (seemingly often even the simple sounding ones, nevertheless the synthetic and high processed ones) like combos of high processed / bleached sugars / high fructose corn syrups, high processed / fractionated oils, caffeine, contemporary process alkali chocolate, and calcium carbonates are an example…. Basically a mix such as that is akin to putting cement or concrete into your systems, and the body tries to deal with this partly by increasing to more acidic levels (As well as trying to tell us not to eat much processed food and such additives as calcium carbonate…. Tells us through various discomforts and difficulties as result)

      • Craig, we are discussing blood pH, not the pH of the digestive system. What foods you eat does not affect your blood pH.

        And calcium carbonate IS NOT like putting cement in the body. Calcium carbonate reacts with stomach acid forming the absorbable salt calcium chloride.

        • You said I quote “No one is saying that food doesn’t affect your blood pH”

          I does without question and that’s a fact. If it didn’t why then do we have biological systems to keep it in check?

          Low Grade Chronic Metabolic Acidosis is real and it happens. Science doesn’t know the long term affects of it yet, but it happens. End of story.

          • Again, nobody claimed food does not affect your pH. But there is a major difference between “affect” and regulate”. Our blood pH is affected by diet since ALL foods metabolize in to acids, many of which are essential to our health, function and existence. But diet DOES NOT regulate pH.

            And again NOBODY claimed low grade metabolic acidosis does not exist. Yes, it does and there are many reasons for this such as kidney or respiratory issues since there are the main means of pH regulation.

  16. Hi, What a load of tosh your article is. I suffered from advanced prostate cancer which had become metastatic. i was on strong hormone treatment (Bicolutomide and Lucrin) to reduce my testosterone as I was told my cancer feeds on testosterone. Despite this, my psa started to rise dramatically from undetectable to 8.7 over a year. The future was bleak with the only real alternative being chemotherapy.

    After some research, I gave up all sugar (which is highly acidic) and hard cheese for the same reason and took baking soda every day. After an initial high dosage of up to three teaspoons a day in a glass of water, I now take a half teaspoonful in a glass of water morning and evening.

    After three months, my psa had reduced to 2.8, after a further 3 months it was 0.35, then 0.11 and last month was .06. I am off the hormonesand taking no other treatment and my oncologist has confirmed the reduction in psa is entirely of my own doing!

    Also, I have suffered with nasal polyps for 25 years and have had four operations to remove them. I have been told I am very good at growing nasal polyps and i would always have them and there is no known cause for them. By now (6 years after my last operation) i should be full of nasal polyps again, but guess what, I no longer have any nasal polyps.

    I have also lost about 8 pounds of belly fat and have more energy than I have had for years. But, I guess this is all a myth and I am dreaming!!

    • I’m happy for you, man! But your anecdote is still explained by the evidence Chris posted and numerous scientific studies that help us understand how cancer cells work. Cancer cells thrive on sugar (which has a PH of 7–I’m not sure why you believe sugar is “acidic” when it has a neutral PH), so cutting it out of your diet was wise. It would also help to explain why the cancer stopped growing so quickly and (I’m assuming) went into remission.

      Your singular example doesn’t prove or disprove anything. Cutting all sugar out of your diet and focusing on a plant-heavy diet (as Paleo thought leaders push time and again) would obviously have a positive effect on your health. It’s not imaginary. It can be scientifically explained by Chris’s article and cited studies.

      If you have an emotional tie to the acid-alkaline diet myth, then keep it. But looking down your nose at a man who has helped thousands overcome chronic disease that conventional medicine gave up on is arrogant and childish.

      I hope your good health continues. 🙂

      • Caleb, food items are not considered acidic or alkaline. It is the metabolic effect that earns them the name acid or base forming. Sugar is considered acidic because it increase excretion of magnesium. Lemon is not considered “acidic” because the carboxylic acids are metabolized to water and CO2.

        • Carystus: “Caleb, food items are not considered acidic or alkaline. It is the metabolic effect that earns them the name acid or base forming.”

          ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. Proteins are broken down in to amino acids, then in to alkaline ammonia, which is then converted in to uric acid to protect the body from the highly alkaline and toxic ammonia. Fats and oils are broken down in to fatty acids, which are then metabolized forming carbonic acid. Simple sugars are metabolized in to carbonic acid. Insoluble fibers are enzymatically broken down by the flora in to simple sugars that are then fermented forming a variety of beneficial acids.

          Carystus: “Sugar is considered acidic because it increase excretion of magnesium.”

          No, once again sugars are used as a fuel source and when broken down for energy we end up with the byproducts carbon dioxide and water forming carbonic acid, which is essential to many functions in the body.

          Carystus: “Lemon is not considered “acidic” because the carboxylic acids are metabolized to water and CO2.”

          No, lemons are considered acidic because if you test their pH they are acidic due to a variety of acids present such as citric acid, malic acid, oxalic acid, ascorbic acid, etc.

          • Unfortunately, I think most of you are off the mark. It’s not diet that you should focusing on, although it does play an obvious role in many of the biochemical pathways in out body. James had mentioned earlier how to explain chronic conditions such as:
            A person with asthma needs what?

            A person with osteoporosis needs what?

            A person with diabetes needs what?

            A person with heart disease needs what?

            A person with osteoarthritis needs what?

            A person with UC or Crohn’s needs what?

            A person with senile dementia needs what?

            A person with hypothyroidism needs what?

            A person with an aneurysm needs what?

            They all need O2. It’s the delivery of O2 that is being altered – Bohr Effect – by the amount of CO2, or lack there of, in our blood. We’ve become a society of mouth breathers with and without sleep disturbed breathing, which decreases the availability of CO2 in our lungs and blood. Without it, O2 can not be released to our tissues. I won’t go into it further, but I would urge you to read Sleep Interrupted by Steven Park. Many of our chronic medical conditions are a result of or exasperated by our breathing, both at night during sleep and during the day. Lack of O2 creates a cascade of events that can explain virtually all of what James has stated.

            • Great comment Greg. Let me share my experience.
              I am 44 years old male with type II diabetes and I have an intermission between jobs and skin dived (spear fishing- apnea based) for the last two months. Here are the results.
              Increase muscle mass; much healthier eye lashes, nails, shiny skin, no sinus issues and no sinus related headaches. I become much more healthier in a period of three weeks. The place I stay has elevated levels of oxygen and I could achieve 7&1/2 hours non-stop swim based dives near the shore. Of course I get exhausted but for a guy with diabetes II 7&1/2 hours non-stop parcures is next to impossible.
              There is one trick though. I only got natural food during this time, which is also next to impossible in our urban prisons.

            • Greg,

              That is not the correct answer. What was being referred to is what was missing that led to these diseases and conditions, which IS NOT oxygen. If oxygen was missing then the cells would be dead, not in a disorder.

              All of our body’s cells need oxygen. But even with sufficient oxygen those diseases and conditions can still occur because oxygen is not the deficiency leading to those diseases and conditions.

              Finally, the answer to my questions IS NOT singular. There are different causes and/or deficiencies to many of the individual diseases and conditions and therefore not all cured by any one thing.

              But you are correct about the CO2, or more specifically carbonic acid. The release of oxygen (O2) from hemoglobin to tissues is dependent on carbonic acid. This is why alkalinity inhibits oxygen release from hemoglobin decreasing tissue oxygenation.

              James

          • I did read the article. Apparently you did not read it yourself or you simply did not understand what it said. Why don’t you quote the article exactly where it states that minerals in food have acid or alkaline attributes as far as influencing blood pH. Oh that;s right you can’t do it since they did not claim this.

            In fact, your own link clearly states:

            “Blood pH is mainly buffered via the CO2/HCO3 system. Additional buffering is contributed by the numerous histidine residues of hemoglobin and by plasma proteins. “. Hmmm, no mention of acidifying or alkalizing minerals at all.

            • It states. “A multitude of potential causes of systemic acidosis exist, in addition to renal and respiratory disease. These include anaerobic exercise, gastroenteritis, excessive consumption of protein or other acidifying substances,”

              “Our results may help to explain the pathogenesis of a wide range of bone disorders and emphasize the critical role played by the vasculature in bone health. Future therapies for treating bone loss disorders could be based on shifting systemic acid-base balance in the alkaline direction using diet (e.g., via fruit and vegetables and calcium salts) or drugs or by targeting H+-sensing receptors on osteoclasts. Our findings also provide further rationale for the promotion of vascular health via aerobic exercise, avoidance of smoking, and good diet.”

              Blood PH is “Mainly” buffered as explained. But diet is a factor.

              Then there is this study that concludes.

              “The simultaneous calcium balances averaged – 185 mEq, supporting the
              previous suggestion that bone mineral is an important buffer reservoir in the defense against chronic metabolic acidosis.”

              Then there are he conclusions of this study that show how diet is the cause of the many reasons for acidosis.

              http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561411000604

              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292842/pdf/jcinvest00268-0100.pdf

              • You are confusing acidosis with chronic metabolic acidosis.

                And yes, EXTREMELY SEVERE acidosis can lead to bone leaching. But acidosis itself is super rare to begin with and acidosis severe enough to lead to bone loss is significantly more rare since buffering by bones is only used as a very last resort for pH buffering from the body.

      • Why do you focus primarily on blood ph? What you eat does affect your body’s ph. The circulatory system is only one part of your body. You can not be objective if you do not look at the body as a whole being inside and out. Nutrition is the key and more alkaline foods tend to be higher in the nutrients needed to keep the body healthy. A balance is important and promoting that it does not matter what you eat is irresponsible.

        • The focus is on blood pH because when discussing the alkalize or die myth the alkalize refers to the blood, which is not affected by diet.

          And yes, the so-called “alkaline foods” are more nutritious, but this has NOTHING to do with altering the blood pH. In fact, many of these foods are highly acidic to begin with and ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. So the article is discussing the myth that diet can alter blood pH for health.

          To sum it all up NOBODY is claiming just to eat whatever. Again what is being pointed out is that it does not matter what you eat as far as blood pH goes since your pH IS NOT regulated by what you eat.

            • Again NOBODY claimed diet does not affect blood pH. But there is a major difference between affecting and regulating.

              Will diet affect blood pH? Yes because ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. And without many of those acids we would not exist. But there is always too much of a good thing so those acids that affect the blood pH have to be regulated. And they ARE NOT regulated by the diet, they are regulated almost exclusively by respiration and kidney function.

      • Bingo!! Caleb!

        The irony of those arguing that the author has only “partial knowledge” is that these accusations are being lobbied by people who don’t even comprehend the basics of human biochemistry and do not grasp what he’s saying… Bc they don’t have a foundational knowledge or understanding of how the body functions. Then they accuse him of having only partial knowledges… When it’s clear to anyone with an education, that they do not have one.

        They also equate anecdotal stories with scientific proof.

        It never once occurs to them that by taking charge of their WHOLE health and eating better as well as losing weight improves the naturally designed functions of your body… So it CAN fight off mutations and infections and long term damage.,,, as it was designed to do.

        We are trying to explain to people how the microscopic eggs that are laid in rotten food are connected to the larva worms which appear and later the bugs which soon will be seen surrounding the food source.

        Meanwhile they are arguing that life can spontaneously generate bc they saw a piece of fruit with “nothing” on it…. And suddenly flies are born!!! Therefore life can spontaneously generate from inanimate sources without any living fertilization or “parent” first to bring it forth

        Steve:
        As for why the author is focused on the blood pH…. BECAUSE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ACIDOSIS AND ALKALOSIS…. The subject you are so sure you understand better than those educated in the science of bodily systems.

        • Sorry. I was not trying to step on anyone’s toes. You are correct about the blood ph. I was only mentioning that the blood ph does not always control the ph of the body. I didn’t mean to be off topic. Sometimes you have to look at the whole body and not just one area in question.

          • Again when discussing the alkalize for health myth the reference is to blood pH, not the pH of other areas of the body, some of which that need to be acidic to be healthy.

      • The relationship between diet and cancer is well known. Dietary intake exists as the largest external or environmental epigenetic factor capable of driving the development or maintenance of cancer. The American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) comprehensive global report has compiled numerous studies demonstrating associations between dietary habits and cancer risk. The findings recommend increased or regular consumption of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and legumes, while discouraging excess consumption of sugary and energy-dense foods and drinks, red and processed meats, and salty processed foods (http://www.aicr.org).

        Acidity is a well known factor associated with cancer. Lower pH levels in the extracellular space promote the invasive and metastatic potential of cancer cells. Extracellular acidity is mostly generated by tumor cells due to upregulated proton [H+ and lactic acid production. This phenomenon is distinct from ‘acidity’ caused by a net-acid diet. A net-acid diet or acidogenic diet is determined by the balance between acid and base-forming dietary constituents. Most fruits and vegetables are net-base producing foods since the metabolized products are organic anion precursors such as citrate, succinate, and conjugate bases of carboxylic acids.

        The conclusion of this study is relevant. It does not say Chronic Low Grade Metabolic Acidosis is a direct cause of cancer, but does conclude that it plays a role.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3571898/

        • First of all there are MANY forms of sugar.

          Secondly, a pH of 7 is neutral and thus not acidic. So a pH of 7 has a lower pH than a pH of 7.35-7.4 but still is not acidic.

          And none of this means sugar induces acidosis. So have no idea what your point is.

          • Of course you don’t.
            Lemons are acidic, right?
            Lemons are Alkaline when metabolized though aren’t they!

            Being neutral in pH means nothing to the net acid load on the body.

    • To: Jim Bagnall,
      Hi there, I too have metastatic prostate cancer, and am on the search for alternatives to chemo and hormone therapy. I have metatastasises in 4 places (identified by PSMA-PET scans). I would appreciate any other information re your diet etc that you may be prepared to share.
      Regards,
      John H

      • There are many different alternative therapies to treating a wide variety of different diseases. Cancer included. It is a serious condition and can not go untreated, if you are not willing to start traditional therapies, it would be in your best interest to see a Naturopathic Doctor who will be able to monitor you closely as even these natural remedies can have some nasty side effects if not followed closely.

        There are many different vitamins and minerals that can be taken that have shown to be helpful in treating cancer patients. Before taking any supplementation though you need to either talk a doctor.

    • That’s great news. It seems that no matter what people try to do to improve their health by alternative remedies or cures there will always be those that will attempt to dissuade them from doing so. If one is stricken with a sickness or ailment that has been determined by doctors to be inoperable or curable, why would you not try an alternative? If traditional cures are not working then what have they got to lose by trying another form of treatment. I know I would do exactly the same if I were in this position.
      I also can’t help thinking that some of these people that try to convince others that alternative cures or remedies do not work are in fact working for big pharmaceutical companies.

      • I don’t see the problem as being people trying to dissuade others from alternative therapies. The problem is that there are too many people with no education whatsoever in medicine or human physiology repeating proven BS such as you can alkalize the blood through diet or ingesting baking soda will cure cancer. When people keep promoting such nonsense they are a danger to other and a boon to big pharma who benefits because these people make holistic medicine look like quackery. That increases FDA power over holistic medicine and thereby increases profits and power of big pharma.

        • Dr. Sircus swears by baking soda/sodium bicarbonate. He has written numerous articles on the matter. So who are you again? Because Dr. Sircus is proven. Maybe mention your credentials here for everyone to see, instead of saying baking soda is worthless.

          • Dr. Sircus has no clue what he is talking about so I can care less if he swears by baking soda (sodium bicarbonate).

            Since you want to believe in this guy then read this and check the facts:

            http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=25540

            If people would simply learn how things really work in the body instead of being gullible and believing any old crap they see on the internet like from Sircus then there would be a lot less time being wasted on debates.

    • John H
      APRIL 15, 2016 AT 4:10 PM

      To: Jim Bagnall,
      Hi there, I too have metastatic prostate cancer, and am on the search for alternatives to chemo and hormone therapy. I have metatastasises in 4 places (identified by PSMA-PET scans). I would appreciate any other information re your diet etc that you may be prepared to share.
      Regards,
      John H
      “Sorry, I just read this comment and I wasn’t sure you saw it, would you please help him!?”
      Liri

    • I just love your story Jim. Tony Robbins recommended a low alkaline diet to a very very sick guy in the audience. The guy was 19 and is now fully recovered and thriving in his mid 30’s. I am with you and Tony. As with everything, the proof is in the pudding. Xxx

      • Faye Triantis: “Tony Robbins recommended a low alkaline diet to a very very sick guy in the audience. ”

        ALL diets are “low alkaline” since ALL foods get metabolized in to acids.

        Robbins also promotes the caustic and disease forming ionized alkaline water. The water is caustic and alkaline due to the formation of mineral (metal) hydroxides. These can lead to numerous diseases by neutralizing stomach acid that increases risk of infection from pathogens and inhibits methylation. The hydroxides in the water also dissociate in to the dangerous hydroxyl radical linked to cancer and other disease formation.

        In my opinion Robbins has no clue about chemistry nor how the human body works, but is rather a sales pitch person reading from propaganda scripts.

        • If what you say about ionized alkaline water is true the coconut water( natures natural Kangen water would if dranked excessively lead to cancers. Ionized alkaline water has been the most effective in treating, gout for so many sufferers why down play and negate its benefits

          • Sharon,

            That is a ridiculous comparison. Coconut water is nothing like the caustic Kangen ionized alkaline water. Does coconut water contain the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides of ionized alkaline water that are basically dilute versions of Drano and Red Devil Lye? Answer is NO!!!!!!!

            What you are doing is like comparing apples to rocks.

    • Doing all that eg baking soda, juicing, supllements, vegan diet etc and husband’s psa still increasing.

      • Priscilla, my own experience is that one must first remove fungus from the gut before taking sodium bicarbonate. Kefir (easily bought and creates a lifetime supply) will rebalance the gut with friendly bacteria and kill the bad stuff. There is some research extant that claims cancers are the result of fungal overgrowth in the body – candida albicans and the like – but you can google this and see if you think it correct.

        I then took a teaspoonful of aluminium free sodium bicarbonate (don’t use baking powder) with a spoonful of either honey or molasses, in 300 mil of mineral water three time a day for four months. It tastes quite disgusting, so tell your husband to hold his nose whilst drinking! My PSA had been 12 and is now down to 3. It should be reduced even further as I up the dose slightly to 4 tsps a day.

        The reason for taking the bicarb in molasses/honey is that cancers use sugars to grow. The sugars are taken into the cancer with the bicarb riding on them. The bicarb oxygenates the cancer – cancers prefer little oxygen – and the cancer shrinks and/or dies. That’s the theory.

        I have no idea if this will work for your husband, but it is worth a try. I hope it does.

        • JJ: “Priscilla, my own experience is that one must first remove fungus from the gut before taking sodium bicarbonate. ”

          What fungus? Did you personally do a colonoscopy to see if there is even fungus present?

          JJ: “There is some research extant that claims cancers are the result of fungal overgrowth in the body – candida albicans and the like”

          First of all there is NO research I have seen linking fungal overgrowth to cancer. There are some hypotheses based on the incorrect assumptions of Simoncini, but no research.

          There is some research showing other mycotoxins from molds can cause cancer. For example aflatoxins from Aspergillus that Simoncini falsely claims is the same thing as Candida, which is a yeast or fungus but not a mold.

          As for Candida, this is a dimorphic microbe that is a natural part of our flora. You cannot eliminate it. Candida exists in a benign yeast form in an acidic environment. In an alkaline environment Candida morphs in to a pathogenic fungal form. See:

          http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1452732#i

          http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1452739#i

          http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1452747#i

          http://medproductreview.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/using-probiotics-to-treat-candida-yeast-infections/

          JJ: “I then took a teaspoonful of aluminium free sodium bicarbonate”

          ALL baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is aluminum free. And it is dangerous to ingest. See my post to Priscilla.

          JJ: “The reason for taking the bicarb in molasses/honey is that cancers use sugars to grow.”

          Cancer cells can use glucose, fructose, lactate, ketones, fatty acids and some amino acids as fuel sources.

          JJ: “The bicarb oxygenates the cancer ”

          Wrong on several levels.

          First of all the bicarb DOES NOT even survive the stomach acid. It is neutralized forming carbonic acid and sodium chloride salt.

          Secondly, even if it did make it to the cancer cells, the cancer cells are already more alkaline internally than healthy cells. It is this alkalinity that allows cancer cells to survive and drives cancer glycolysis. When the proton pumps of cancer cells are blocked the cancer cells become acidic and die. On the other hand research has also shown that when healthy cells are made excessively alkaline the healthy cells morph in to cancer cells:

          Alkalinity driving cancer cell growth and malignant transformation:

          Role of the Intracellular pH in the Metabolic Switch Between Oxidative Phosphorylaiton and Aerobic Glycolysis-Relavance to Cancer. Cancer 2011;2(3):WMC001716

          Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000 Nov;14(14):2185-97

          Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418

          31P NMR analysis of intracellular pH of Swiss Mouse 3T3 cells: effects of extracellular Na+ and K+ and mitogenic stimulation. J Membr Biol 1986;94(1):55-64

          Extracellular Na+ and initiation of DNA synthesis: role of intracellular pH and K+. J Cell Biol 1984 Mar;98(3):1082-9

          How cancer cells maintain their internal alkalinity and evidence that blocking the proton pumps makes cancer cells acidic killing them:

          Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

          Vacuolar H+-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

          Targeting vacuolar H+-ATPases as a new strategy against cancer. Cancer Res 2007 Nov 15;67(22):10627-30

          Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase signaling pathway in cancer. Curr Protein Pept Sci 2012 Mar;13(2):152-63

          JJ: “The bicarb oxygenates the cancer – cancers prefer little oxygen – and the cancer shrinks and/or dies. That’s the theory.”

          It is not a theory, it is a hypothesis ( an educated guess not backed by evidence), and a faulty one at that.

          First of all cancer cells are HIGHLY reliant on oxygen for growth and survival. So much that they have a higher affinity for available oxygen than healthy cells. In fact, cancer cells die in the absence of oxygen, which stimulates the process of angiogenesis, which helps surviving cancer cells to proliferate by increasing oxygen levels to the surviving cancer cells:

          Reliance of cancer cells on oxygen:

          Oxygen Consumption Can Regulate the Growth of Tumors, a New Perspective on the Warburg Effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

          Choosing between glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation: a tumor’s dilemma? Biochim Biophys Acta 2011 Jun;1807(6):552-61

          Comparison of Metabolic Pathways between Cancer Cells and Stromal Cells in Colorectal Carcinomas: a Metabolic Survival Role for Tumor-Associated Stroma. Cancer Res January 15, 2006 66;632

          Akt Stimulates Aerobic Glycolysis in Cancer Cells. Cancer Res June 1, 2004 64; 3892

          That cancer growth is inhibited by low oxygen levels an die in the absence of oxygen:

          Oxygen consumption can regulate the growth of tumors, a new perspective on the Warburg effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

          Anoxia is necessary for tumor cell toxicity caused by a low-oxygen environment. Cancer Res 2005 Apr 15;65(8):3171-8

          Relationship between oxygen and glucose consumption by transplanted tumors in vivo. Cancer Res 1967 Jun;27(6):1041-52

          Death of cancer cells by lack of oxygen and angiogenesis stimulation to increase the growth rate of tumors by increasing oxygen levels to the tumor:

          Computational models of VEGF-associated angiogenic processes in cancer. Math Med Biol 2012 Mar;29(1):85-94

          Blood Flow, Oxygen Consumption, and Tissue Oxygenation of Human Breast Cancer Xenografts in Nude Rats. Cancer Res 47, 3496-3503, July 1,1987

          A Mathematical Model for the Diffusion of Tumour Angiogenesis Factor into the Surrounding Host. Tissue Math Med Biol (1991) 8 (3): 191-220

          The History of Tumour Angiogenesis as a Therapeutic Target. University of Toronto Medical Journal Vol 87, No 1 (2009)

          The higher affinity for oxygen by cancer cells than healthy cells:

          Utilization of Oxygen by Transplanted Tumors in Vivo. Cancer Res 1967;27:1020-1030

          Growth-related changes of oxygen consumption rates of tumor cells grown in vitro and in vivo. J Cell Physiol 1989 Jan;138(1):183-91

          In addition, alkalinity DECREASES tissue oxygenation by inhibiting circulation and preventing the release of oxygen from hemoglobin. Therefore, alkalizing the cancer cell would only increase the growth of the cancer if the cancer thrives with little oxygen hypothesis was true.

          • So why is HBOT used as a complementary method for getting rid of cancer cells if they in fact require oxygen to survive and cannot survive without oxygen? Why would a cancer patient expose themselves to more oxygen under pressure if less oxygen is what they should be seeking to stop the growth of cancer? Another thing is that cancer cells are metabolically inflexible so while it is true that they can use other sources to grow, they much rather prefer glucose as a fuel which accelerates proliferation vs. if they were only presented with ketones for example. So what say you about the ketogenic diet then? I don’t think I need to reference papers right? I’m pretty sure you’ve reviewed the evidence and the evidence currently points towards that ketones are not the preferred fuel source for cancer cells hence proliferation is reduced. Acidic vs alkaline, what a mess… Interestingly enough, high dose intravenous vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in an alternative medicine setting is used to treat cancer as well (also administered to athletes for performance enhancement and is effective). Generally for cancer and leukaemia especially, my recommendation would be to look into THC from medical cannabis (high THC:CBD strains) and for solid tumors like breast, prostate and colon, to alternate between both high THC and high CBD strains. Please let me know your thoughts, this intrigues me. Thanks.

            • RMA: “So why is HBOT used as a complementary method for getting rid of cancer cells if they in fact require oxygen to survive and cannot survive without oxygen?”

              I have addressed this so many times already. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) DOES NOT kill cancer cells!

              In fact HBOT is not a good idea in cases of malignant tumors since HBOT increases angiogenesis as well, which also helps to promote cancer growth. That is why angiogenesis inhibitors are used as one form of cancer treatment.

              RMA: “Why would a cancer patient expose themselves to more oxygen under pressure if less oxygen is what they should be seeking to stop the growth of cancer? ”

              HBOT can be used in some cases to help with infections and wounds associated with some cancers. For example, fungal infections can occur with some cancers and lead to further tissue breakdown. Again the HBOT is not used to kill cancer cells since it DOES NOT kill cancer cells.

              Furthermore you cannot reduce oxygen levels to the body in a healthy matter to fight cancer since all cells need oxygen. Again, this is why they use angiogenesis inhibitors to reduce the oxygen supply directly to the tumor by inhibiting blood vessel formation to and within the tumor. Although this also decreases the effectiveness of radiation therapy and many chemo drugs since don’t work on hypoxic regions of tumors.

              RMA: “Another thing is that cancer cells are metabolically inflexible so while it is true that they can use other sources to grow, they much rather prefer glucose as a fuel which accelerates proliferation vs. if they were only presented with ketones for example.”

              Your claim about being metabolically inflexible is nonsense. For example, lactate has also been shown to be a primary fuel for cancer cells. So can the amino acid glutamine, which is a substitute for glucose in cells. Here is some reading for you:

              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20818174

              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167222/

              http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00109-015-1307-x

              There is plenty more research if you look.

              RMA: “So what say you about the ketogenic diet then? ”

              There is obviously a lot more involved than you are realizing.

              RMA: “I’m pretty sure you’ve reviewed the evidence and the evidence currently points towards that ketones are not the preferred fuel source for cancer cells hence proliferation is reduced. ”

              Not preferred does not mean inhibits growth. Take for example lactate, which is also a primary fuel source for cancer cells yet also inhibits proliferation.

              RMA: “Interestingly enough, high dose intravenous vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in an alternative medicine setting is used to treat cancer as well ”

              Not that effective though. The main reasons that high dose IV ascorbic acid (vitamin C) may help are:

              1. At high doses the ascorbic acid becomes a pro-oxidant, and thus acts as a free radical instead of an antioxidant. Radiation therapy and many chemotherapy drugs work on the principle of forming oxygen radicals within the well oxygenated areas of the tumor. These oxygen radicals kill the well oxygenated cancer cells. Problem is that this does not work in the hypoxic regions of the tumors, which is why these types of therapies tend to fail in many cases.

              2. The high ascorbic acid content will form oxalic acid, which is what the excess ascorbic acid breaks down in to. The oxalic acid binds iron needed by cancer cells for growth.

              RMA: “my recommendation would be to look into THC from medical cannabis (high THC:CBD strains) and for solid tumors like breast, prostate and colon, to alternate between both high THC and high CBD strains.”

              No thinks there are many other things that are so much more effective such as ozone therapy, and that does not require a prescription and does not have other potential risks. And the research on cannabis for cancer is still basically in its infancy. Even if there were not better choices already available I would still prefer to wait until more and better research is available.

              Keep in mind that most of the studies were done in vitro with cell lines. Testing compounds in a Petri dish can have completely different results than in the body since the Petri dish does not have a metabolism nor a bunch of chemical compounds that can interact or interfere with the cannabis compounds. Therefore, many compounds that look effective in Petri dish studies are often found worthless or less effective in actual human studies. Oleander is a great example. It worked on some cell lines in Petri dish studies but every actual human study showed it to be a complete failure.

              • Dear James,
                I’d like to wish you the best of luck while waiting to eternity and beyond for double blind RCTs in cancer treatment research (especially in diet and nutraceuticals). Bear in mind, we and the coming generations will probably pass away while still waiting for “more and better research”. In fact, it begs the questions: How much more? And define: better? Because the way you sound like right now is that NIH’s budget of more than $30 billion a year for biomedical research and the 26 million citations for biomedical literature on PubMed would basically fit under your description of “insufficient and inferior”. If you choose to wait because you have the time to wait then others don’t have the luxury of waiting and will employ alternative treatment methods to treat their cancer and consistently report EFFECTIVE alternative treatments. One last thing, you haven’t really discussed your thoughts on GcMAF although this is currently a very hot topic in terms of cancer immunotherapy. What say you about this treatment? (P.S.: I have downloaded and read every single GcMAF paper since the 1990s.) Best.

                • I have all sorts of studies on holistic therapies, including herbs, showing their effectiveness against cancer. So I don’t have to wait, there are plenty of studies that already exist. People just need to actually look to find them instead of assuming they don’t.

      • Vegan diet is too high in grains, according to Bess Dawson-Hughes. Her work on chronic metabolic acidosis concludes you need a 1 to 1.5 ratio of grains, to vegetables/fruits.

        She is a Tufts University researcher and Ph.D.

        • Why are grains supposedly to high in a vegan diet when the grains don’t affect acidosis either? The blood pH IS NOT regulated by what foods you consume.

          By the way chronic metabolic acidosis is extremely rare.

      • Hi Priscilla,

        First of all PSA counts can go up for various reasons. Benign prostate hyperplasia, infection or inflammation or even caffeine can all raise PSA counts.

        Secondly, ingesting baking soda can increase the risk of cancer and if cancer is present this can promote cancer growth. Read this thread:

        http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=25527

        And since the ingestion of baking soda interferes with methylation this is going to increase inflammatory homocysteine. And again inflammation can raise the PSA count.

    • Jim Bagnall, so glad your health is improving. That is fantastic! But gently, I have to point out that the foods you gave up (sugar, cheese/dairy) are highly inflammatory. Inflammation is what contributes to cancer and other diseases, not body pH.

      • Angela: “I have to point out that the foods you gave up (sugar, cheese/dairy) are highly inflammatory. ”

        Different James here.

        What you are posting is not true to misleading.

        For example, sugar is not inflammatory. Our bodies even generate sugar if we do not have enough and it is constant in our blood. If sugar was causing inflammation then we would all have chronic inflammation. Then there are complex sugars known as fibers that help build the flora for one, which can reduce some inflammatory conditions.

        Dairy does contain some inflammatory compounds so that part is true, but dairy also contains a lot of iodine that can help support the thyroid in some cases, which reduces inflammatory homocysteine. So there is so much more to the equation.

        At the same time inflammation is not necessarily evil. Do you know why inflammation is so vital to our health? The inflammatory process involves dilation of the blood vessels to increase oxygen and nutrients to an injured area to aid in the healing process. But again it is possible to have too much of a good thing.

        Angela: ” Inflammation is what contributes to cancer and other diseases, not body pH.”

        True, pH is not what leads to most diseases. Though inflammation plays a minor role in causing diseases as well. In most cases the inflammation is the result of the disease, not the cause. Even with cancer inflammation can increase the risk through the production of reactive oxygen species and reactive nitrogen species. But at the same time it is also free radicals that kill cancer cells in the body. So again there is so much more to the whole story that you are leaving out such as the role of pathogens in cancer and so many inflammatory diseases.

    • If as you say this article is “tosh” then you should be able to produce scientific evidence to challenge it! What worries me about all these “miracle” diets is that they all seem to originate from the US. The development of the internet has been a plus in many ways. However, the promotion of fad diets, fad medication and fad medical care has unfortunately sucked in the naive and the desperate. Before the advent of modern medicine the average life expectancy was around forty. Say no more!

    • Well done ! I cured myself with alkalising my diet no more cancer for me too ! And pancreatic cancer is usaually a death sentence ! Good on you for following your own instincts !!!

    • Jim Bagnall: “I suffered from advanced prostate cancer which had become metastatic. i was on strong hormone treatment (Bicolutomide and Lucrin) to reduce my testosterone as I was told my cancer feeds on testosterone. Despite this, my psa started to rise dramatically from undetectable to 8.7 over a year.”

      PSA levels can rise for a variety of reasons including prostate infection, BPH and even caffeine use.

      Jim Bagnall: “After some research, I gave up all sugar (which is highly acidic)”

      ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. Ironically healthy plants often contain a lot of acids and get metabolized in to more acids than you would get with just sugar.

      Jim Bagnall: “and took baking soda every day.”

      Did you know that baking soda is neutralized by stomach acid forming carbonic ACID and sodium chloride salt? And an excess production of sodium chloride leads to hyperchloremic acidosis.

      Jim Bagnall: “After an initial high dosage of up to three teaspoons a day in a glass of water, I now take a half teaspoonful in a glass of water morning and evening.”

      I guess you are also unaware of the fact that ingesting baking soda not only increases the risk of getting cancer but also promotes existing cancers. Read this thread:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=25527

      Jim Bagnall: “After three months, my psa had reduced to 2.8, after a further 3 months it was 0.35, then 0.11 and last month was .06. I am off the hormonesand taking no other treatment and my oncologist has confirmed the reduction in psa is entirely of my own doing!”

      Again the PSA elevation could have been from a number of things and resolved itself.

      And you are also forgetting the Bicolutomide and Lucrin you said you took, which may have simply kicked in finally since ingested baking soda is neutralized by the stomach acid so it does not even reach the bloodstream.

  17. Hi, I admit the acidosis argument is presented in general by people who don’t know the science behind it and yes like you say present ridiculous claims like being able to change the blood ph. However, acidosis is a very real phenomenon that does cause osteoperosis, kidney stones and possibly cancer. I suggest you update your view by reading these peer reviewed research papers (published by Cambridge University Press and NCBI): http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7499708&fileId=S0007114509993047 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4566456/

    Please read and update your info that is reaching 1000s.

    • Acidosis is real, good job, but it’s not caused by diet. Hopefully you’re smart enough to not state that acidosis is caused directly by a diet. Diet may affect it indirectly by altering your metabolism (bad diet –> diabetes/metabolic syndrome –> affecting your organs (kidneys, lungs, cardiovascular, etc)) but drinking “alkalized water” have an acute effect. Take a basic pathophysiology class.

      • Precisely.

        I struggle to remain out of acidosis. I cared for my child who was acidotic from birth.

        Acidosis is real.

        The article is not disputing that! What he is very correctly stating is: there is not one thing you can eat and have a direct impact on your blood pH.

        Blood pH IS the definition of acidosis.

        Now eating a nutrient poor diet that causes inflammation, metabolic syndrome, and diabetes…. Will increase your chances of having kidney stones, renal failure, and even developing cancer. But that is a long process.

        And no… Mixing sodium bicarbonate (which is not baking powder ftr) with honey or molasses won’t trick cancer into eating the honey and getting killed by the bicarbonate. Do you actually think that these food molecules in their whole state are absorbed directly into your blood???

        Try injecting food into your vein. See how well your blood can utilize the whole unbroken molecule.

        Your digestive process is specifically designed to break food into smaller elements which the body can then utilize. Protein is broken down into amino acids for the body to use. Starches are broken down into simple sugars. Not once has a dr wrapped chemo in sugar to trick the cancer!!

        Bc it simply does not work that way.

        Did you know that the reason some people are so sure that their favorite OTC headache treatment (excedrine, Motrin, tylenol, etc) works so well and kicks their headache in just a few minutes…. Is bc many run of the mill headaches are from dehydration! The pill had nothing to do with it, except for it being the reason you finally stopped and drank some water! Your OTC pill didn’t cure a headache…. The water you drank resolved your dehydration which gave you a headache.

        However, you can drink >3gallons of water a day and you never cure a migraine bc these are vastly difference things… Even though to an outside observer they appear to be the same problem.

        ^^and that’s precisely why all the anecdotal stories in the world cannot hold a candle to the actual science of the body. Those relating these stories do not understand the underlying issues that were at the root of their overall health problems to begin with. Such stories only served to validate peoples pre-existing bias in those who lack a fundamental education in pathophysiology, biochem, Ochem, and medical nutrition.

    • You have completely misread the article. What the published research was based on was diet-induced acidosis. This condition occurs when the kidneys fail to convert acid into alkaline. Of course the body would be acidic if the kidneys were not functioning!

    • Gabe: “However, acidosis is a very real phenomenon”

      Yes, but like the more dangerous alkalosis is EXTREMELY rare!

      Gabe: “hat does cause osteoperosis, kidney stones and possibly cancer.”

      I guess you do not know what osteoporosis is. It IS NOT a loss of bone minerals. Those are osteomalacia and osteopenia. Osteoporosis is a loss of collagen matrix leading to a decline in scaffolding for mineralization. The most common reasons for this are a lack of orthosilicic acid and/or ascorbic acid both essential to collagen formation.

      As for kidney stones you are wrong again. The pH of urine, which IS NOT blood, can influence stone formation. And there are about a dozen different forms of kidney stones. Some form in an alkaline environment and some in an acidic environment.

      And as far as cancer, the acidity causing cancer MYTH was disproven decades ago. Cancers always arise in an alkaline environment. Even in cancers that occur in normally acidic tissues like the colon it was found the risk of cancer increased with increasing alkalinity.

      Furthermore, cancer cells themselves have an alkaline internal pH more alkaline than healthy cells. It is this alkalinity that allows the cancer cells to survive and drives cancer glycolysis. When the cancer cells are made acidic this kills the cancer cells.

      It was also proven that when healthy cells were made excessively alkaline the healthy cells morphed in to cancer cells.

      Gabe: “I suggest you update your view by reading these peer reviewed research papers”

      That is good advice, you should follow it. Here, let me help you out:

      Alkalinity driving cancer cell growth and malignant transformation:

      Role of the Intracellular pH in the Metabolic Switch Between Oxidative Phosphorylaiton and Aerobic Glycolysis-Relavance to Cancer. Cancer 2011;2(3):WMC001716

      Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000 Nov;14(14):2185-97

      Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418

      31P NMR analysis of intracellular pH of Swiss Mouse 3T3 cells: effects of extracellular Na+ and K+ and mitogenic stimulation. J Membr Biol 1986;94(1):55-64

      Extracellular Na+ and initiation of DNA synthesis: role of intracellular pH and K+. J Cell Biol 1984 Mar;98(3):1082-9

      How cancer cells maintain their internal alkalinity and evidence that blocking the proton pumps makes cancer cells acidic killing them:

      Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

      Vacuolar H+-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

      Targeting vacuolar H+-ATPases as a new strategy against cancer. Cancer Res 2007 Nov 15;67(22):10627-30

      Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase signaling pathway in cancer. Curr Protein Pept Sci 2012 Mar;13(2):152-63

  18. Could someone give me some advice. I’ve been on an alkaline diet since xmas so 6 weeks or so. I have mostly only eaten vegetables and nuts and seeds including coconut and it’s oils. Typical day. Green nutriblast, vegetables with cashews, avocado and some kind of curry or stew made of vegetables inc sweet potato or pumpkin. Maximum half pint milk on some days with coffee. Loads of fluids usually herb tea or water. I was expecting to feel better. Certainly I have no joint pains and no restless leg syndrome. However, I do have pain in my stomach. I’ve never had an ulcer so I don’t know what it feels like but I feel like I’ve got one! When I eat or drink I have pain high in my tummy. Any suggestions?

    • is it at the top of your belly? I’d say acid reflux. Generally, balance is key…when we radicalize anything, including veggies, it can cause problems. good luck!

    • You may eat too much nuts and seeds, we should eat those in moderation only. Casein from milk can also cause digestive problems, I also recall that some people had strong reaction to coconut oil. The best way for you to find out is to take out single foods for a couple of days and see if there will be any difference.

    • If your body is toxic you may have a hard time digesting healthier foods. Some of these healthier raw foods are harder to digest. Make sure your food is organic (less chemicals less toxins). Try doing a smoothly each day. Smoothies are easier to digest. Also try steaming some of your vegetables in the beginning of you diet change. You may be allergic to some of the foods you are eating too. You really should be doing this under the supervision of a wholistic health care professional that can help trouble shoot some of these issues. Changing your diet is only a small part of what you need to be doing to improve your health.

      • Eeek…I know you are trying to help but the things you are saying are so cringe-inducing. I think you should study more before you start giving out advice. You use of the word toxins is worrisome.

    • Dotty, you might want to look into a specific gut-healing diet–maybe something like “AIP” (the autoimmune protocol). Spend some time at http://www.thepaleomom.com because she explains why various foods can be detrimental to gut health and how to reverse the damage with a healing diet. She’s a scientist, so she backs up her information with references. Good luck!

    • Talk to a board certified pediatrician and ask them what they would do for an infant. Next follow the recommendations because I am pretty sure it will not involve big pharma. They usually advise the BRAT diet to calm the lining of the gut. Next get tested for food allergies. When you have calmed your gut and determined you are your own worst enemy, eat a balanced intake of the basic food groups except anything you are allergic to forever. Stop seeking advice and self diagnosing from what sensationalism is published on line and follow the rules for you and your gut.

  19. Well, isn’t it amazing we Homo Sapiens have managed to live
    (healthily) for 200,000 years without knowing we needed to drink alkaline water, eat a blood type/Paleo/vegetarian/low fat/high carb/low carb/whole grain/no grain diet! While drinking gallons of that water. I’ve studied nutrition for 40 years and most of what is pushed on the public is hogwash.
    Yes, science progresses but some ideas were Bad science to begin with: (i.e. the low-fat diet based on a falsified study about fat and the resultant use of dangerous statin drugs, truly one of the worst crimes perpetrated again human health. No one should be taking them. Always question when someone has something to sell. Every animal on the planet drinks when it’s thirsty, including us. But now we don’t Know when we’re thirsty?! We’re all dehydrated if we’re not drinking liters and liters of (bottled) water all day long? Ridiculous! If you are gagging trying to drink down a glass of water, Hint: you’re NOT Thirsty. Stop the insanity and listen to your own body, and not to what advertisers tell you.
    I asked a PhD, a scientist from Princeton U., about those expensive water machines. He told me if American’s had even a basic understanding of science they would know what an waste of money they are. Luckily, my common sense told me they are useless.
    Thanks James for your insights. You’re a breath of fresh air. But please don’t fall into the mindset of “bad cholesterol” you mentioned in one of your notes. That phrase was perpetrated by the drug companies to make you want to buy their drug to get rid of that “bad” cholesterol (which is a very bad idea). LDL is as necessary and vital for us as HDL.

    • So if I my body gets used to a higher suga rlevel and demand more and more sugar. Or if my body demand a higher coffee or salt level, I should go for it since my body want’s whats best for it?

      • Your health will to survive will make you crave water. Craving sugar and coffee is an addictive response. Not the same type of message from the body. For the most part though, listening to your body is the best idea, such as thirst, hunger, intuition, need for sleep. If your body tells you it wants a donut abd some vodka, well then not so much.

    • Nicely said Trish – thank you for the reminder and the perspective. I agree that we should beware of unnecessary prescriptions, be aware of and honest about our lifestyle choices, and strive to make positive changes, before beginning medications.

    • Trish: “Thanks James for your insights. You’re a breath of fresh air. But please don’t fall into the mindset of “bad cholesterol” you mentioned in one of your notes. That phrase was perpetrated by the drug companies to make you want to buy their drug to get rid of that “bad” cholesterol (which is a very bad idea). LDL is as necessary and vital for us as HDL.”

      I wold have to see what you are referring to. That does not sound like my writing as I have talked about the benefits of cholesterol numerous times and the side effects of low cholesterol, which include a significantly increased risk of heart attack and stroke. I have also discussed the dangers of statin drugs for cholesterol numerous times, which includes increased risk of heart failure.

      There could be some confusion because I am not the only one that is posting on the comments under the name James.

  20. So much misinformation here. First of all bone is one of the three buffer systems of the body. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15199293 Second, blood has a tight PH range because it has to have a tight PH range to work, but it is less than 10% of the body by weight. Next what your kidneys excrete depends on the PH of your urine, this is such a well established fact for drugs that I can’t believe few people ask the question..if it affects drugs so much-what else is it affecting?? As it turns out heavy metals and fluroide. I found one study that showed a 15x increase in the excretion of fluoride with an alkaline urine vs acidic. Alkaline urine increases the excretion of lead and urainium, and possibly increases the uptake of aluminum. Two studies found a 30-40% decrease in adrenaline excretion. These are hardly small effects.

      • I don’t have all at hand but heres a few, heres the fluoride one. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7457982 Here’s the merck manual explanation of the elimination of drugs by the kidneys http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/clinical-pharmacology/pharmacokinetics/drug-excretion (you can get on pubmed and find reams of the studies on individual drugs).
        Heres an example of the effect of urinary PH on amphetamine excretion..so in this case making the urine very acidic can treat an overdose(notice that the excretion rates have a similar difference with fluoride. http://tmedweb.tulane.edu/pharmwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php/phurinaryexcretion.png
        Here is one on adrenaline, although I suspect changes in the blood maybe even more interesting. Its a small study..even so the effects are so pronounced that it reaches statistical significance. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1429495/pdf/brjclinpharm00242-0089.pdf

        • hum… your first story states that <Metabolic acidosis, which occurs DURING RENAL FAILURE, renal insufficiency or renal tubular acidosis, results in decreased systemic pH and is associated with an increase in urine calcium excretion. So, yeah… when your kidney stop working, they you should worry about acidosis…

          • I’m not sure what “story” you are talking about. Although it seems that you aren’t aware that acidosis can actually cause kidney damage. This is what sometimes happens to ultramarathoners, and can happen to people with high fever and a few other problems(look up rhabdomyolysis). Myoglobin from muscles breaks down and at a low enough PH the iron disassociates and causes hydroxyl radicals to form. No surprise that urinary PH was found to both predict the likelyhood and speed of kidney failure in diabetics.

            • Bo Jangles: “I’m not sure what “story” you are talking about. Although it seems that you aren’t aware that acidosis can actually cause kidney damage.”

              Proof to this claim?

              Bo Jangles: “This is what sometimes happens to ultramarathoners”

              Again proof? Ultramarathoners are putting a lot more stress on the kidneys simply from the fact that a lot more blood is being forced through the kidneys to begin with. On top of that the cells being damaged and destroyed can lead to an increased uric acid load, which is not the same as acidosis, and top that off with some dehydration and yes kidney damage can occur.

              Bo Jangles: “and can happen to people with high fever”

              Again proof this is linked to acidosis? There are several reasons a high fever and kidney dysfunction can be associated such as meds given to lower a fever or the fever from a urinary tract infection to name a few.

              Bo Jangles: “and a few other problems(look up rhabdomyolysis).”

              Again proof of your claim that this is from acidosis?

              Excess myoglobin from rhabdomyolosis can cause kidney damage from things like renal tubular obstruction or decreased kidney blood flow. So once again you need to back up your claims with some real evidence.

              Bo Jangles: “Myoglobin from muscles breaks down and at a low enough PH the iron disassociates and causes hydroxyl radicals to form. ”

              Radicals form all the time in the body.

              Furthermore you state “and low enough pH”. So if the pH has to be low enough then what is causing that low pH? Maybe pre-existing kidney failure?

    • Bo Jangles: “So much misinformation here. First of all bone is one of the three buffer systems of the body. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15199293

      First of all there is more than 4 buffering systems used to maintain blood pH. See:

      http://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-2-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-2/

      Secondly they are talking about extreme metabolic acidosis. Are you even aware of how rare metabolic acidosis is? And how even more rare extreme metabolic acidosis is? So rare that most doctors will not see a case of this in their entire careers.

      Furthermore, buffering by the bones is only used as a very last resort, which is why it is only seen in extreme cases of metabolic acidosis.

      Bo Jangles: “Next what your kidneys excrete depends on the PH of your urine”

      Actually the pH of the urine is dependent in large part on what is being excreted through the kidneys. The other factor is bacteria. The bacteria that cause urinary tract infections secrete urease to form ammonia, which alkalizes the urine.

      I looked at your links you provided later and I don’t see where they back your claim. One problem with the hypothesis is that they are simply measuring the urine pH. What if the urinary pH itself is the result of the drug? Some drugs are known for altering urine pH. And things like fluoride could have a higher solubility and elimination simply from the other compounds they introduced to alter the pH of the urine. For example, it is well known that sodium increases the solubility of uric acid. Potassium to an even greater extent.

  21. Ive been following this back and forth with a small amount of interest for some time now. Its highly amusing to watch someone come onto someone else’s “blog” to correct them and then shill for their product. Really, Ian? How could you not see the disingenuous nature of such a thing?

    “James, I say you’re wrong, now let me shill my product!” And he’s supposed to not be annoyed if not outright angry that you/anyone would do that? Use his space to sell your cr/p!? Now that’s arrogance personified.

    So far, I have to read one convincing argument that undermines James’ overall argument.

    • I agree. I have a rare condition, and we keep the FB site on this condition for those that have it and for parents of children who have it. We never get phrma companies popping up with ads, but we get natural ones all the time. When indeed the only way they can do this is saying they have the condition or having a child that does. Then they will be invited in and all of a sudden ads for natural products appear. It has been a lesson for me. People are quick to nail drug companies yet not one has done this…

      • That’s because it’s the same people doing it. Snakes shed skin but leopards don’t change their spots.

    • Wow do you even understand what you reference?
      You provide us epidemiological studies where correlation dont imply causation? If you like epidemiological studies look maybe at most healthiest nations? in the same time they have most acid diet like for example Japan. About second reference osteoporosis Chriss describe this so I dont think need do the same read his reference and then you will see flaws in study provided by you. Tell me one thing about your source why person whch call themself a DR wrote in disclaimer “The information provided on this website is for informational purposes only. It is by no means intended as professional medical advice. Do not use any of the agents or freely available dietary supplements mentioned on this website without further consultation with your medical practitioner.” Little diging and I found what I thinking he dont have any medical degree.

    • Pls read one more time this articles I argue with authors of this site and he completly dont understand how body ph regulation work he forgot about most basic knowledge like correlation dont imply causation. P.S About more info read my second comment to Ted.

  22. Interesting and passionate thread. I know a few individuals and even a few nutritional consultants swear by alkaline water, having experienced some amazing results. So, I was curious to read what James had to say. I found his explanation helpful since I did have my doubts. I also don’t want to encourage clients to spend a lot of time or money on things that probably won’t work.

    • Christine, it’s helpful to understand the difference between the water all lumped together under ‘alkaline water.
      1. Alkaline water is water with high levels of alkaline minerals dissolved in the water. It’s the same water millions already drink if they live in ‘hard water’ areas and a metastudy available on our site shows it is a healthier water than neutral or acid.
      2. High pH water means a higher than normal level of hydrogen ions. This may be caused by alkaline minerals, by electrolysis, or by reaction of water and magnesium. High pH water that does NOT have alkaline minerals is termed ‘unbuffered’ water because unlike alkaline water, it quickly neutralises when meeting an opposite element in the body. Alkaline water is a way of adding to your alkaline buffer or storehouse. This buffer is used as first resort when excess acid is taken up in food or beverages.

      3. Molecular Hydrogen infused water.
      This water comes from either an electronic water ionizer or a magnesium based water filter. H2 is infused into the water, which gives it a high pH reading. However there is now a fourth type of water.

      4. Low pH High H2 water
      This uses a differently technology to infuse H2 into filtered water, but does not affect the pH or alkalinity of the water.

      Latest research is centred on Hydrogen infused water and you’ll find plenty of scientific reports – over 400 in all – on the subject at molecularhydrogenfoundation dot org. H2 has now been isolated as the ‘active ingredient of water ionizers, rather than alkalinity or ORP, the other measurement often touted as ‘proof’ of therapeutic antioxidant effect.

      My declaration of interest is that we designed and invented the first all-in-one water filter and hydrogen infusion system. It sells at $699.

      • Ian Hamilton: “Alkaline water is water with high levels of alkaline minerals dissolved in the water. It’s the same water millions already drink if they live in ‘hard water’ areas”

        Not necessarily. Alkaline water can be naturally alkaline or made alkaline artificially and there can be major differences.

        Naturally alkaline water is made alkaline primarily from carbonates in the water such as magnesium and calcium carbonates.

        Artificially produced alkaline water can be made alkaline with the addition of carbonates or as in the case of ionized alkaline water by the production of caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides.

        The mineral hydroxides are especially dangerous as they not only neutralize stomach acid, which can lead to all sorts of health issues, but there is also the caustic nature of the hydroxides that can damage tissues and the fact that the hydroxides can dissociate forming the hydroxyl radical linked to cancer formation among other issues.

        Look at it this way. Would you add Red Devil Lye or Drano to your water to alkalize it? Of course not. But these are some of the same caustic mineral hydroxides formed by water ionizers.

        Ian Hamilton: “High pH water means a higher than normal level of hydrogen ions.”

        No it does not. When water is made alkaline from naturally occurring carbonates or from hydroxyl ions this is not the same as hydrogen ions, nor do they prove an increase in hydrogen ions. Here is a link that will explain it to you:

        http://www.horiba.com/application/material-property-characterization/water-analysis/water-quality-electrochemistry-instrumentation/the-story-of-ph-and-water-quality/the-basis-of-ph/concentration-of-hydrogen-ions/

        Ian Hamilton: “High pH water that does NOT have alkaline minerals is termed ‘unbuffered’ water because unlike alkaline water,”

        ??????!!!!!! High pH water IS alkaline water. And both acidic and alkaline solutions can be buffered so your statement is ridiculous.

        Ian Hamilton: “Alkaline water is a way of adding to your alkaline buffer or storehouse.”

        Ridiculous statement especially considering the fact that the body DOES NOT have a alkaline buffer “storehouse”. Again, virtually all pH regulation is maintained by respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention to increase acidity or elimination to increase alkalinity by the kidneys. Neither of these involve any type of alkaline reserve.

        Ian Hamilton: “This buffer is used as first resort when excess acid is taken up in food or beverages.”

        More nonsense. If you ingest a food that contains acids the food will simply become more acidic in the stomach along with foods or drinks having an alkaline pH. Then as the chyme (food, drinks, stomach acid and enzymes) leave the stomach the pancreas releases bicarbonate that then neutralizes the acids in the chyme. In the long run all foods get metabolized in to acids, which again are kept in check by respiration and kidney function except in rare circumstances.

        Ian Hamilton: “Molecular Hydrogen infused water.
        This water comes from either an electronic water ionizer or a magnesium based water filter. H2 is infused into the water, which gives it a high pH reading.”

        Go back and read the link again I posted for you.

        Ian Hamilton: “Low pH High H2 water
        This uses a differently technology to infuse H2 into filtered water, but does not affect the pH or alkalinity of the water.”

        Since truly pure water has a pH of 7 (neutral) and alkaline water has a high pH over 7 then how can the pH or alkalinity NOT be affected as you claim if the water has a low (acidic) pH, which is the opposite of alkaline and a pH below neutral? Again your comments are contradicting themselves.

        Ian Hamilton: “H2 has now been isolated as the ‘active ingredient of water ionizers, rather than alkalinity or ORP, the other measurement often touted as ‘proof’ of therapeutic antioxidant effect.”

        Neither alkalinity nor ORP were ever “proof” of antioxidant effect. That was just bogus sales hype. In fact, the ionized alkaline water contains caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that dissociate in to the powerful free radical known as the hydroxyl radical associated with the formation of cancer and other diseases.

        Ian Hamilton: “My declaration of interest is that we designed and invented the first all-in-one water filter and hydrogen infusion system. It sells at $699.”

        So you are just here to sell crap based on bogus information?

        • Wow, James, you haven’t changed. One constant in this thread has been just one aggressive man sans the ability to express himself without denigrating others.

          James, we love you, as much as you probably hate it.

          Ian Hamilton: “Alkaline water is water with high levels of alkaline minerals dissolved in the water. It’s the same water millions already drink if they live in ‘hard water’ areas”

          James:Not necessarily. Alkaline water can be naturally alkaline or made alkaline artificially and there can be major differences.
          Naturally alkaline water is made alkaline primarily from carbonates in the water such as magnesium and calcium carbonates.
          Artificially produced alkaline water can be made alkaline with the addition of carbonates or as in the case of ionized alkaline water by the production of caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides.

          Ian: Of course, my friend! No need to split hairs on this one. Bottom line; alkaline water is any water with alkaline minerals in any form. Except.. the comment about ionized water. Ionized water as it is referred to in the industry is water with some alkaline minerals that passes through a process of electrolysis. If there are no alkaline minerals in the input water electrolysis is not possible. There is a long held idea in some quarters that minerals are added to cause alkalinization. This is simply not true of all mainstream electronic water ionizers.

          James: The mineral hydroxides are especially dangerous as they not only neutralize stomach acid, which can lead to all sorts of health issues, but there is also the caustic nature of the hydroxides that can damage tissues and the fact that the hydroxides can dissociate forming the hydroxyl radical linked to cancer formation among other issues.

          Ian:
          Exactly WHAT mineral hydroxides are you referring to? I ask because after 16 years supplying water ionizers both electric and natural, I have never seen anyone attribute stomach problems to this form of water. That would be a sample of at least 10,000 customers. And please also give us links to the scientific studies you use to back up your assertion.

          Ian Hamilton: “High pH water means a higher than normal level of hydrogen ions.”

          James:
          No it does not. When water is made alkaline from naturally occurring carbonates or from hydroxyl ions this is not the same as hydrogen ions, nor do they prove an increase in hydrogen ions. Here is a link that will explain it to you:
          High pH water IS alkaline water. And both acidic and alkaline solutions can be buffered so your statement is ridiculous.

          Ian:
          James, I assume you are referring to this statement in the link you provided..
          “Next arises the question of what determines the acidity or alkalinity of a solution.
          Actually, it is determined by the concentration of hydrogen ions, the percentage of hydrogen ions contained in the solution.”

          To quote one James Drever on Wiki, “Alkalinity roughly refers to the amount of bases in a solution that can be converted to uncharged species by a strong acid.”

          We appear to be arguing over nomenclature rather than physical characteristics. All I am saying is that general usage often mistakes alkalinity and high pH. Even in your link, ‘alkalinity’ is seen as the same as pH. But we can have high pH water with low alkaline minerals, as in a water ionizer where electrolysis created higher levels of hydrogen ions aka H2.

          Alkaline water may = alkaline minerals
          High pH water may = alkaline minerals
          but
          High pH water does not always = alkaline minerals.

          Ian Hamilton: “High pH water that does NOT have alkaline minerals is termed ‘unbuffered’ water because unlike alkaline water,”

          Ian:
          Water containing alkaline minerals is referred to as a buffered solution. (Wiki: A buffering agent can be either a weak acid or weak base. Buffering agents are usually added to water to form a buffer solution, which only slightly changes its pH in response to other acids and bases being combined with it, particularly a strong acid or a strong base. ) A buffered solution is different to unbuffered in that it has ‘potential’ in the form of minerals that can be used by the body to neutralise the opposite pH minerals in the body.
          Again, as Wiki says, “Another example is buffered aspirin which has a buffering agent, such as MgO or CaCO3, that will help maintain the balance between the acid H-A (protonated) and the salt A− (deprotonated) forms of aspirin as it passes through the acidic stomach of the patient.”

          Ian Hamilton: “Alkaline water is a way of adding to your alkaline buffer or storehouse.”

          James:
          Ridiculous statement especially considering the fact that the body DOES NOT have a alkaline buffer “storehouse”. Again, virtually all pH regulation is maintained by respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention to increase acidity or elimination to increase alkalinity by the kidneys. Neither of these involve any type of alkaline reserve.

          Ian: here’s where I get to agree with James.Respiration is certainly the most important buffering system as it converts carbonic acids to CO2. But this does not mean it’s the only one, and alkaline water does provide a Buffer of alkaline minerals that are used to assist neutralisation of over or under normal balance. The body’s acid–base balance is normally tightly regulated by buffering agents, the respiratory system ( as James said) , and the renal system, keeping the arterial blood pH between 7.38 and 7.42.
          3 factors:
          1. Buffering agents
          2. Respiration
          3. Renal system.

          Ian Hamilton: “This buffer is used as first resort when excess acid is taken up in food or beverages.”

          James:
          More nonsense. If you ingest a food that contains acids the food will simply become more acidic in the stomach along with foods or drinks having an alkaline pH. Then as the chyme (food, drinks, stomach acid and enzymes) leave the stomach the pancreas releases bicarbonate that then neutralizes the acids in the chyme. In the long run all foods get metabolized in to acids, which again are kept in check by respiration and kidney function except in rare circumstances.

          Ian: James is right regarding food in the stomach, but the stomach’s major role is to emulsify food to a point where it becomes available ion a form ready for metabolic conversion. The real digestion as such begins in the intestine, after alkaline pancreatic fluid is injected into the food by the pancreas. James, I agree that in the long run all foods get metabolised into acids mainly amino acids, but what does that have to do with the pH of the original food? If you are correct, then there should be no beneficial effect from calcium supplements or magnesium supplements. UC has done some great work on this.

          Ian Hamilton: “Molecular Hydrogen infused water.
          This water comes from either an electronic water ionizer or a magnesium based water filter. H2 is infused into the water, which gives it a high pH reading.”

          James: Go back and read the link again I posted for you.
          Ian: I did read it, James. Thank you.

          Ian Hamilton: “Low pH High H2 water
          This uses a differently technology to infuse H2 into filtered water, but does not affect the pH or alkalinity of the water.”

          James: Since truly pure water has a pH of 7 (neutral) and alkaline water has a high pH over 7 then how can the pH or alkalinity NOT be affected as you claim if the water has a low (acidic) pH, which is the opposite of alkaline and a pH below neutral? Again your comments are contradicting themselves.

          Ian: Perhaps they do contradict themselves to you James. I’ll try to make it simple, even demonstrable. I can easily produce neutral pH water with high H2 levels. (1.0+ppm. The unit that does this is here in our lab. I use a combination of electrolysis and RO.

          Ian Hamilton: “H2 has now been isolated as the ‘active ingredient of water ionizers, rather than alkalinity or ORP, the other measurement often touted as ‘proof’ of therapeutic antioxidant effect.”

          James:Neither alkalinity nor ORP were ever “proof” of antioxidant effect. That was just bogus sales hype. In fact, the ionized alkaline water contains caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that dissociate in to the powerful free radical known as the hydroxyl radical associated with the formation of cancer and other diseases.

          Ian: Agree that that alkalinity (although shown to be beneficial to health in a (large scale metastudy of drinking water worldwide available from me) and ORP are not proof of antioxidant effect.
          I also agree that thousands of MLM independent distributors were told that alkalinity and ORP were the antioxidant effect. Totally on the same page, James. Still, I have no proof either scientific or empirical of your claim of the damage caused by hydroxyl ions. However the TWENTY ONE studies on this page
          http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/studies/antioxidant/
          demonstrate the ability of H2 water to selectively neutralise hydroxyl radicals in the body.

          Ian Hamilton: “My declaration of interest is that we designed and invented the first all-in-one water filter and hydrogen infusion system. It sells at $699.”

          James: So you are just here to sell crap based on bogus information?

          Ian: Whatever you make of it James. Sad indeed that you need to see everyone here as your enemy. You make a good contribution ad spend many hours on it.

          • My response is too long for a single post so it being done in multiple parts.

            Part 1:

            Ian Hamilton: “Wow, James, you haven’t changed. One constant in this thread has been just one aggressive man sans the ability to express himself without denigrating others.”

            Wow Ian, you haven’t changed. You still have not developed the intelligence to realize that I AM NOT the topic even after this fact has been explained to you. And you still continue with the bogus personal insults in a poor attempt to divert attention away from your lack of intelligence, which I will further prove in this response.

            Ian Hamilton: “Except.. the comment about ionized water. Ionized water as it is referred to in the industry is water with some alkaline minerals that passes through a process of electrolysis. If there are no alkaline minerals in the input water electrolysis is not possible.”

            Again not true. Electrolysis of water can be done with the addition of any electrolyte. This can include acidic minerals, colloidal metals, acids, etc.

            Ian Hamilton: “There is a long held idea in some quarters that minerals are added to cause alkalinization. This is simply not true of all mainstream electronic water ionizers.”

            Not necessarily. Minerals are sold by some water ionizer companies to add to water. Especially if the water being used has been purified of minerals first since as already pointed out some type of electrolyte must be present.

            Ian Hamilton: “Exactly WHAT mineral hydroxides are you referring to?”

            More proof of how clueless you really are. What do you think makes the water alkaline? In fact, if you really think about your earlier false statement where you wrote ” If there are no alkaline minerals in the input water electrolysis is not possible” you would realize how ridiculous your statement really is. If the water is also full of alkaline minerals to allow electrolysis as you falsely claim then why would electrolysis be needed at all? After all the water would already be alkaline from the presence of the alkaline minerals already in the water that you claim need to be present!!!

            Now that your ridiculous claim has been pointed out again let’s look at what happens in the electrolysis and why this leads to the formation of the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides. Don’t worry, I will keep it down to a third grade level for you.

            Water is HOH (H2O). As we can see there is a positively changed hydrogen (H) combined to the negatively charged hydroxyl group (OH). As we know opposite charges attract with this why the positively charged H binds to the negatively charged OH.

            When the water is split with an electrical process known as electrolysis the positively charged H is separated from the negatively charged OH. But these unpaired charges are going to seek out opposite charges to balance themselves. The OH again is negatively charged and thus needs to find something positively charged to balance. Where does that positive charge come from? The metals of the minerals in the water. For example the positively charged sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium in the water. Therefore the negatively charged metals bind with the negatively charged hydroxyl group forming the corresponding mineral (metal) hydroxides such as sodium hydroxide ( same as Red Devil Lye), potassium hydroxide (same as Drano), calcium hydroxide also known as “caustic lime” used to make cement and magnesium hydroxide (same as Milk of Magnesia used as an antacid and as a laxative since it burns the intestinal wall leading to an influx of water and increased peristalsis.

            How these mineral (metal) hydroxides are formed by electrolysis are well known in science.

            Ian Hamilton: “James, I assume you are referring to this statement in the link you provided..
            “Next arises the question of what determines the acidity or alkalinity of a solution.
            Actually, it is determined by the concentration of hydrogen ions, the percentage of hydrogen ions contained in the solution.”

            LOL!!!! I see you deliberately left the link off and stopped short on the quote to make it incorrectly appear that you know what you are talking about. So what was the rest of that quote that you fell short on quoting? :

            “Let’s take water as an example.

            As you know, the formula for water is H2O. Most of the molecules in water are in that extremely stable form we know as H2O.

            However, a very tiny percentage of those molecules have broken up into hydrogen ions (H+) and hydroxide ions, (OH-), as illustrated in the figure.

            Actually, this balance of hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions determines the pH of the water.

            When the hydrogen ions outnumber the hydroxide ions, the solution is acidic. If the reverse is true, then the solution is alkaline.”

            So why did you purposely leave out the rest of that quote? Simple, because it proved your earlier incorrect quote “High pH water means a higher than normal level of hydrogen ions.” wrong. As stated in this link a higher level of hydrogen ions means a LOWER pH, not higher as you falsely claimed.

            Ian Hamilton: “To quote one James Drever on Wiki, “Alkalinity roughly refers to the amount of bases in a solution that can be converted to uncharged species by a strong acid.””

            Another attempt to mislead people The discussion was about pH, not alkalinity. Again you falsely claimed “High pH water means a higher than normal level of hydrogen ions”. Note that there is no mention of bases. So what James Drever said is irrelevant to what was said and is just another desperate attempt to hide your most recent error.

            Ian Hamilton: “Even in your link, ‘alkalinity’ is seen as the same as pH.”

            LOL!!! How do you come up with that. Alkalinity IS NOT the same as pH as pH can also include neutral or acidic pH levels. Go back the link I posted for you again. It explains what pH actually is.

            Ian Hamilton: “But we can have high pH water with low alkaline minerals, as in a water ionizer where electrolysis created higher levels of hydrogen ions aka H2″

            Again go back and read the link I posted for you. It will explain pH to you. Hydrogen ions create acidity. When water is subjected to electrolysis there are both hydrogen ions (H+) released making the water in this side of the chamber acidic and hydroxide ions (OH-) making the water on the other side alkaline. OH- IS NOT a hydrogen ion.

            By the way, H2 is not a hydrogen ion either, it is a hydrogen molecule. So once again you are proving that you have no clue what you are talking about.

            Ian Hamilton: “Alkaline water may = alkaline minerals
            High pH water may = alkaline minerals
            but
            High pH water does not always = alkaline minerals.”

            Correct because as I said you can use other electrolytes, such as acids, to produce the alkaline hydroxides. So minerals are not needed for the alkalinity and the hydrogen MOLECULE H2 DOES NOT make the water alkaline as you incorrectly claimed.

            Ian Hamilton: “Water containing alkaline minerals is referred to as a buffered solution. ”

            So hard tap water is referred to as a ‘buffered solution”? Of course not!!! So once again you are wrong.

            Ian Hamilton: “A buffered solution is different to unbuffered in that it has ‘potential’ in the form of minerals that can be used by the body to neutralise the opposite pH minerals in the body.”

            I take it that you once again don’t see the error in your claim again. A buffered solution, which DOES NOT mean water with alkaline minerals would simply be neutralized by stomach acid when ingested.

            Furthermore, minerals are best absorbed when acidified. So alkalizing the minerals would simply make them harder to absorb. Look up the research for example of why alkaline calcium carbonate or alkaline magnesium oxide are so poorly absorbed compared to the acidified forms such as the malates and citrates.

            Ian Hamilton: “.and alkaline water does provide a Buffer of alkaline minerals that are used to assist neutralisation of over or under normal balance.”

            No it does not. Again, the caustic mineral hydroxides are neutralized by the stomach acid forming salts. The stomach acid is also neutralized in the process leading to a long list of health problems that will develop from infection from ingested pathogens to decreased methylation. These problems include cancer, heart disease, arthritis, suppressed immunity, hormone disorders, neurotransmitter imbalances, deceased cellular energy production, etc. Since methylation that is inhibited by the ionized alkaline water is also dependent on methyl groups for production the inhibited production of more stomach acid will simply further increase the risk of these problems.

            Ian Hamilton: “.3 factors:
            1. Buffering agents
            2. Respiration
            3. Renal system.

            Ian Hamilton: “This buffer is used as first resort when excess acid is taken up in food or beverages.”

            Once again you are not only wrong, but you clearly do not understand the digestive or buffering systems of the body. I already explained how digestion works. Here is my write up on how the body maintains its pH, which IS NOT from ingested caustic hydroxides:

            http://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-2-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-2/

          • Ian: “James, we love you, as much as you probably hate it.”

            Me: “James, I am not “we”. I don’t love you, I am now quite bored with you constantly stalking the comments section. I wish you would get out more (out of this blog, that is).

    • Really James may be right about the over picture & the blood bone thing, but its still better for the body overall’ to be alkaline. So its still a winner as far as i’m concerned.

  23. James et al,
    I have a problem I hope you can help. I have had 3 kidney stones in the last month. Couldn’t catch a stone for analysis. I noticed my urine pH runs on the low side of normal, between 5 and 6 (I bought a pH meter and have been analyzing a few times a day). I know crystal formation is very sensitive to pH so I want to raise my urine pH about one unit, to between 6 and 7. What are the options for raising urine pH? I thought drinking alkaline water might work but after reading the comments posted here I doubt it. I read taking potassium citrate would raise urine pH but I went to CVS and the pharmacist said it was prescription only. I am eating more fruits and vegetables but I don’t think this will raise pH by one unit. If I get an Rx for potassium citrate do you think it will raise urine pH much? Other ideas on how to raise urine pH as much as one unit? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    • Hi Tom,

      It would help a lot to know what kind of stones you are passing. Some form in more acidic urine and some in more alkaline urine.

      In general though I like nettle leaf and magnesium malate for the two most common forms of kidney stones which are uric acid stones and calcium oxalate stones. Both dissolve both forms of stones.

      James

      • Check out this website, it actually has a liquid ionic mineral complex that is suspended (extracted from volcanic rocks) in sulfuric acid an water, hence it is charged, and has an alkalizing effect on the body. There is a testimonial by a Canadian DC who his staff member passed kidney stones with no pain (they dissolved), using these minerals.

        James, I think you will appreciate the science behind them, as this liquid normalizes the VARIOUS PH levels in the body via the correct form of sulphate minerals (which form is found in fruits and veggies, yet at 5-6% of what it was in the 1920’s).

        I know these minerals are successful at decalcification, and they also purify water from several toxins, chemicals, bacteria etc, hence they are effective on dissolution of kidney stones.

        Scroll down to the first video testimonial: http://www.black-mica.biz/testimonials.html

        I also know that these minerals where under attack beginning a few years ago, and then yet what on this planet that is actually real, effective, pure, clean, and really does what it says consistently, won’t be under attack? especially if it delivers REAL science rather than electricuting water and charging an arm and a leg for it.

    • I started taking sodium bicarbonate, and I peed tiny crystals for a week. Sodium bicarb is probably the cheapest way to raise it.

    • Just drink plenty of water! Simple! I had a huge stone removed from my ureter tube many years ago. My specialist told me to drink at least 2 litres of water a day. It worked!

      • I had the stone risk assessment done and it did not indicate that low urine volume was an issue. It showed high uric acid, confirming the low urine pH issue. I can drink more water but then I’d have to sleep on the toilet. Plus there are times when you lose more water than you can drink (sweating on a hot humid day in FL, like today). I’ve been taking 3 99 mg potassium citrate pills a day plus a magnesium/potassium citrate pill and so far so good. Coming up on a year with no stones.

        • I live in between the Philippines and Australia (Darwin). I lived in PNG before that where the temp never dropped below 35 with 90% humidity. The climate in both Subic Bay and Darwin is extremely hot and humid. I drink an average of 4 litres a day in the hottest months. Yes I have to urinate at least 3 times during the night and I drink more water before I go back to sleep. However, I have not had a problem for 30 years so drinking lots of water is working. I don’t drink coffee or tea and certainly not juices or soda. I don’t drink alcohol either.

  24. Could you explain to me then how a persons sweat can bleach the sheets they are sleeping on and the female secretions burn the skin of the male? I’ve experienced this first hand and have no plausible explanation other than I became to acidic.

  25. Hi:
    Who is James? The article states that “Chris Kresser” wrote it…. I like it very much. Though I couldn’t prove much of it. James/Chris seems to have way more knowledge of metabolism and cause/effect regarding blood ph etc. I’m a little confused about the vaccines not being proven. Polio?… When I was young I knew of actual cases of polio. I don’t anymore. If i do not get the flu vaccine I typically get much sicker when the flu season comes around. If I get the flu vaccine I often don’t get sick at all. Bottom line i have tried to go without the flu vaccine because I don’t like the Thimerosal. Its basically a preservative that has mercury in it. My wife has been cured of near death mental illness (4 month long hospitalizations) by prayer (Gods wisdom not ours) , correcting thyroid issues (without medical help) because Doctors today do not treat based on symptoms as they did years ago, they rely on insufficient testing protocol and are nearly killing people with insufficient treatment, or improper treatment ie.T-4 only treatment. and the biggest one in my opinion removing mercury sources from her life. Four to be specific. 1. a mouth full of mercury fillings. 2. Vaginal contraceptives (Thimerosal) 3. Vaccines (Thimerosal) and 4. nearly stopping fish intake for a time. The mercury clue came from mercury’s history or creating mental illness. including intentional. I didn’t read it myself but I believe she did read that during one of the world wars one side used to put a drop of mercury in the ear of a prisoner and they would go almost instantly insane.
    I said all this about Mercury because I agree that we should not be taking vaccines because of it but I have never come by the opinion that vaccines are not proven. And James/Chris seems very adamant about their not being proven and seems to fall strong on the side of not using them. Any comment by James/Chris would be very much appreciated. I only stumbled on this site so I’m hoping that I’ll get an email notification if a comment is made. The reason I’m here is because I was considering the Alkaline diet routine, but am now not convinced there is any merit to it. I have very serious butt problems caused by what i believe is either a caustic or acid situation and don’t know what to do about it. I have trouble with bad coffee, pasteurized milk (but not unpasteurized milk) Tomato’s, non organic corn non organic spinach all of these seem to cause my burnt to bleeding problem info on this of course may be extremely helpful as well. Sorry for the specifics but it’s bad.
    Thanks:
    Andrew

    • Why would you cast out researching an alkaline diet further because some yahoo spouts off a bunch of data that most people don’t know anything about and just assume he must be right because he “sounds” smart?

      This guy brings up out of context pieces that make his claims appear valid. Why not consider the research of doctors who support a balanced pH diet in contrast to what’s being said here? If you just look at the blood panels of those who eat 70-80% alkaline, the proof is in the pudding.

      Furthermore, people’s bodies respond differently. Until you give your body 30-60 days to see how it responds to upping the alkaline percentage of your diet, everything is just speculation.

      Here’s the kind of results that are typical…

      Increased size, frequency and ease of regular bowl movements.
      Relief from most gastrointestinal symptoms (If any were present)
      Weight loss
      Stabilized, normal blood sugar levels
      Deceased bad cholesterol
      Increased good cholesterol
      Lower triglycerides
      Lower blood pressure
      Higher and more consistent energy levels
      Increased mental clarity

      The list goes on. Some tell stories of their experiences. Others prove these results through medical tests… Of course their doctors just say whatever you’re doing is working so keep it up… Most are so brainwashed by the institution of medicine that they don’t take interest in learning how their patient healed themselves.

      Just research more, or better yet adapt your diet for a month or two and then you’ll know. Don’t take yourself out because of what’s being said here. You deserve to find out for yourself.

      I’ve instituted 80% alkaline diet and personally experienced increased energy, better bowl function, mental clarity and best of all, effortless weight loss… And then I’ve gone off of it and allowed coffee and other acids back in and experienced all of those benefits going away. Worst of all, in the more acidic periods of my life I’ve gotten sick more often and struggle to wake up energized, only to need adrenal stimulants to get through the day… Maybe you’ll be the exception and not get such good results, but I’d put my money on you experiencing a much healthier and vibrant body.

      P.s. He is on to something about the vaccines. They have NOT ever been proven safe or effective. There’s tons of smoke and mirrors around it. The safety and efficacy has only ever been implied and those compensated for vaccine injury represent only a small percentage of those who’ve been injured. Just because the average person does not experience severe reaction or death doesn’t mean it isn’t happening and doesn’t mean they’ve studied or been honest about what happens after the vaccines are in our system.

      • Amber: “Why would you cast out researching an alkaline diet further because some yahoo spouts off a bunch of data that most people don’t know anything about and just assume he must be right because he “sounds” smart?”

        LOL!!! Even if people use 3rd grade level words this still will not change the facts. Did you ever stop and think though about your own wording you have been spouting off from the Kangen sales propaganda that were so far over your head? Such as ORP (oxidation reduction potential) that you did not know what it meant. “Positively charged free radicals” not realizing that free radicals can be negatively charged or even have a neutral charge. Then there was your comment “The point of an alkaline diet is to make the interstitial fluids of the body more alkaline”, which is also completely false as I pointed out in my response to this post. In the same post you falsely claim “Many microorganisms form in the blood of a body that is too acidic and often the negative charge around the red blood cells is lost, causing them to clump up and distort in shape”. Again I already addressed this sales propaganda. The fact is that most pathogens thrive in an ALKALINE environment. This is why acidosis is so EXTREMELY rare yet pathogen induced diseases are rampant. The whole point is the hypocrisy of your bashing people who know what they are talking about for using big words while you use big words and claims that you found on a sales propaganda site and that you clearly don’t understand just to try and make yourself appear smarter.

        Amber: “Why not consider the research of doctors who support a balanced pH diet in contrast to what’s being said here?”

        Supply the research then if it exists. So far the research that has been provided DID NOT back people’s claims. The findings of the studies were being misinterpreted just because the words “alkaline diet” were in the study and in one case I recall the study was highly flawed to begin with and again the results were highly misinterpreted to make their point. So if you think there is solid research proving that the so-called “alkaline diet” alkalizes the interstitial fluid then present it for review. Good luck!!!!!!!

        Amber: “If you just look at the blood panels of those who eat 70-80% alkaline, the proof is in the pudding”

        Again show us the evidence that this diet alkalizes interstitial fluid. Anyone can make bogus claims, we want to see the evidence.

        Amber: “Here’s the kind of results that are typical…

        Increased size, frequency and ease of regular bowl movements.”

        Which has nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. The diet is higher in fibers that help increase size, frequency and ease of bowel movements due to increased bulk, and stimulating the intestine duet to abrasive irritation, increased serotonin production from the flora feeding on the fibers and the beneficial acids formed from the fermentation of the fiber.

        Amber: “Relief from most gastrointestinal symptoms (If any were present)”

        Which has nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. The increased fiber again helps prevent constipation and maintains the normal acidity of the colon that helps with nutrient absorption and controlling of pathogens. The higher level of ascorbic acid and pantothenic acid also help support the adrenal glands that among other things will help reduce inflammation in the body including intestinal inflammation, which also reduces leaky gut.

        Amber: “Weight loss”

        Which has nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. Weight loss is aided by the laxative effect of the fiber as well as the fact that fiber slows down blood sugar absorption preventing insulin spikes that increase weight. In addition, the higher level of ascorbic acid and pantothenic acid support the adrenal glands preventing cortisol spikes that also lead to fat deposits. The diet is also higher in nutrients such as magnesium, chromium and vanadium that help with blood sugar regulation and B vitamins that help with metabolism.

        Amber: “Stabilized, normal blood sugar levels”

        Which has nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. Already explained why above.

        Amber: “Deceased bad cholesterol

        Increased good cholesterol

        Lower triglycerides”

        Which has nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. Sterols in plants bind cholesterol from food and from bile in the intestine forming an insoluble complex to prevent absorption or reabsorption thus lowering cholesterol.

        Good cholesterol is raised due to the high level of beneficial fatty acids.

        Triglycerides are lowered due to the balanced blood sugar levels since long term elevated blood sugar increases triglycerides.

        Amber: “Lower blood pressure”

        Which has nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. Sterols and the higher magnesium intake both help relax blood vessels lowering blood pressure.

        Amber: “Higher and more consistent energy levels

        Increased mental clarity”

        Which have nothing to do with a change in interstitial pH as you claim. Higher and more consistent energy levels are from better adrenal function, higher B vitamins, better blood sugar control, etc.

        Increased mental clarity from increased blood flow to the brain from sterols and magnesium in particular improving blood flow.

      • Ah l am not so sure about this except to say in life if you eat a balanced diet its supposed to be beneficial.
        To say either way on this topic would be wrong as many who have advocated for things in the past have been right and many medically proven concepts have been wrong.

        To me its about experimenting with what you eat to get a better result for you personally.

        l have always been a big fan of grains in my daily life but this caused reflux, once cut out all grains all is good.

        Well my problem is that ben there and done that so l actually went on a higher protein eating binge for the last 12 weeks.
        Cut out all Sugar drinks (well 90%)
        reduced carbs by 80% or as much as l can
        And eat certain vegetables

        My outcome:
        26LB weight loss
        Feel much more energy
        More alert
        My hip hurts less (arthritis)
        My joints don’t ache

        Do l measure Acid-Alkaline, no i don’t, but thats not something l will ignore either- ill try it and see if make a difference

        • NOBODY has questioned the benefits of a good diet. The topic is the myth that diet can alter your blood pH. It can’t!!! Blood pH is not regulated by diet. It is regulated almost entirely through respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention or elimination of hydrogen ions.

          The benefits of the so-called alkaline diet comes primarily from the high nutritional level. The removal of caffeine products such as coffee also help reduce inflammation by reducing stress on the adrenal glands.

          • Of course you can change your blood PH by drinking enough of anything acidic enough or basic enough(and yes there have been studies on this). Blood PH is a red herring because it HAS to be in a tight PH range in order for hemoglobin to work(just like in your car your engine needs to be in a specific range, while your trunk temp doesnt matter much). Everyone quotes blood PH, while intracellular PH varies more(6.9-7.4), and urine PH varies even more. The average person breathes out acid(CO2), urinates acid, sweats acid, and while feces are usually alkaline they are generally less alkaline than the blood. So if everything we are giving out is usually acidic, is it really so hard to believe that we just might surpass our ability to excrete acid, and that a subclinical acidosis is the result?. If you have a chemist talk about the PH buffer systems of the human body it is clear that system is greatly adjusted to resist acid loads, not basic loads(for example in blood the ratio of bicarbonate to carbonic acid). Also look at animals read up on cows and acidosis and tell me its just something that does not happen.

    • Andrew,

      As to vaccines… I also grew up in the era when polio was still considered to be the scourge. What is interest to note though is that the incident rate for polio was on a significant steady decline BEFORE the salk vaccine. Also, the salk vaccine introduce the virus SV-40 to all of the people receiving the salk vaccine. SV-40 is one of the viruses that has the potential to produce cancer. In fact, as of a few years ago, no animal injected with the SV-40 failed to have a significant increase in the cancer incident rate.

      Incidentally, the sabin vaccine, while also having the SV-40 virus probably did not infect people with the virus as ingestion has proven to be pretty good at killing the virus.

      There is plenty of evidence and research to suggest that there are plenty of problems with vaccines, strenuously denied by the pharmaceutical industry and the CDC. As to the flu vaccine, research show that the vaccine usually turns the recipient into a carrier (think Typhoid Mary) for a few weeks and is rarely effective (they are guessing what flu strain will be the problem).

      Anecdotal of course, but my personal reaction to the flu vaccine is to become bedridden. The Navy even marked my medical records to NOT be given the flu shot.

      There are also administration problems such as giving vaccines to new borns.

      • Go to the Philippines and you will see first hand the results of unchecked polio! In Australia, your child cannot start school unless he/she is immunised. The recent influx of uneducated migrants and the rise of the “unbelievers” has unfortunately led to outbreaks of previously unheard of mumps, measles, whooping cough and chicken pox. I personally would love to drag the “unbelievers” through the childrens’ wards to see first hand how a baby dies of preventable diseases!!!!

  26. James, I want to thank you for convincing me that as a blogger I do not have the expertise to write on most health subjects. Hence, I will stick to what I do know. A bit of advice though James, tone down your attitude. Nice goes a long, long way to getting people to listen to you. I now have a headache just trying to read all of the information posted to this thread. (Another clue that I am not an expert)
    You very well may be an expert and I have learned a thing or two from your articles, at least the ones I could actually get through, but again, in order for people to listen to you, you must be more than an expert. You must be likable and I do not feel that you are. Of course that is just my opinion but I think a lot of people agree with me. AND, I am entitled to my opinion.
    I also want to point out the scientific studies are not the begin and end all as many times they are flawed or misinterpreted. I am not saying the ones you cite are, as I do not know because I did not view a single one. I just know that studies are often guilty of not using the proper basis for comparison when performing them so the results are not always what is claimed.

    • I’m using this thread – to show my students your (and others’) condescending attitude(s) and backwards thinking toward James. First, your ‘thank you’ is a derisive and mean spirited backhand; a phony and sanctimonious ‘bit of advice’. It’s people like YOU that should tone down the attitude; perhaps that’s the cause of your headache. The fact you learned a thing or two from him but then in the next breath chide him about his technical knowledge makes YOU unlikeable to people. Like James said, you and others make it all about him as you babble on about HIM, HIM, HIM. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is no defense for the fact that people like you act like children and remain recalcitrant over changing your beliefs. So you act out. Simple as that; grow up. When your feelings get hurt because you may be wrong or have trouble understanding something – YOU people accuse him of forgetting the ‘human’ side of things. Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Saying, “a lot of people agree with me”, makes you petty. You sound like a teenage saying, “All my friends do it”, and you use this mentality as if this way of expressing your mean spirited behavior makes you somehow ‘better’ or ‘more human’. Backwards thinking. The most bitter medicine is one’s own; thought I’d give you a dose.

    • Wow, nice chip…on that shoulder.

      The fact that some studies might have some problems is not a reason to use that as a rebuttal to anyone’s attempts to relay information – especially about pop-culture diet myths. Which is what the acid-alkaline issue is – mythical!

      If you’re not reading scientific studies, you shouldn’t be trying to demean them all or in part, when a very small number are flawed – by citing a rather inane POV. (did you discover chewing food all on your own? were you funded for that one?)

      Its tiresome listening to so many people these days vilifying the Sciences, because of the FACT that the scientific method self-corrects. And media outlets, and worse Bloggers – attack them like the flaws are the “be all and end all” of the hard work, and good work, being done in the many diverse disciplines. The media and Blogosphere rarely mentions the wins. Instead it chews on the self-corrections like they’re the pinnacle of failure.

      • And Tee, thank you for making my point for me. Your sarcasm about “forgetting to chew and learning on my own” just proves that you have indeed lost touch with the human side of things. I know VERY FEW people that actually chew their food long enough. Most rush through their meals out of habit and have lost touch what meal time is about. But (and this is sarcasm) I truly appreciate your input.

        • Beth;

          1] First of all, to ME, your ‘thank you’ to James WAS in earnest, [although I don’t think he deserves as much as he gets.]

          2] To ME, there is no way you came across with a “chip on your shoulder”. You had total sincerity with very appropriate criticism.

          3] Chewing one’s food may well be the single most important thing one can do to be healthier, especially for those who eat dead animals, which as I’ve stated before, is not meant to be eaten by humans.

          I remember in the early 70’s attending a lecture of 1800 people, by a very highly advanced Spiritual leader / teacher. Someone asked a question, “what can I do to get my parents to meditate”. After some silence, all the teacher said was, “Have them chew their food better.”

          To me that meant, the parents would be healthier, in turn their minds would be clearer, then able to, more likely, recognize the benefits of meditation.

          • It amazes me how people want to keep making things personal instead of staying on topic. Of course they do that because they do not like having their false beliefs, such as humans not being designed to eat animals. Clearly everything from the design of our teeth to our digestive systems are designed to eat both animals and plant matter.

            • James we have a turkish saying.
              Wits have fallen from the sky, everybody took his own.
              So there is a factor of ego in every discussion. People do not like to lose. They instead can choose to be ridiculous till the very end.

            • it seems that if humans we designed to eat animals then we would thrive on an animal diet. we don’t. strictly eating flesh sickens us and leads to disease. we successfully thrive strictly eating plants. we make medicine from plants. plants heal us. flesh does not. i’ve eaten vegan for the past five years. at 46, i feel better than i did in my 20s -more fit, more energetic. extensive and in depth analysis of my health from participating in various studies shows that i’m amazingly healthy -according to the doctors who reviewed the results. it confounds them.

              i seem to become healthier each year. i go years with any illness and when i do, i passes quickly -typically within 24 hours. i sleep 4-6 hours per day. stopped using an alarm several years ago. less 8% body fat. have tons of energy and simply feel better -more joyful and calm. i exercise little. diet matters waaaay more than exercise -my experience. personally, i attribute most all of these results to eating a plant based diet consisting mostly of raw vegetables. i don’t know about all the studies you cite. i know my experience and story. perhaps, you can produce a study that demonstrates how humans thrive on a diet based on animal flesh. be well.

              • We are designed to eat both plants and flesh and don’t thrive on either alone. People who are strict vegetarians tend to develop a B12 deficiency anemia is about 2 to 6 years if they do not supplement with B12 since it takes this long for liver stores of B12 to deplete and you cannot get B12 from plants.

                I often hear people claim just because think they are healthy this must mean what they are doing must be good. Let me give you an example of why this is not proof of anything. Using that same reasoning one could argue that smoking cigars and drinking are healthy since George Burns did both and yet lived to be over 100.

                There are always multiple factors involved in health. Assuming something is healthy because you feel better is as ridiculous as claiming because you feel healthy that this will work for everyone. Cocaine and methamphetamine make people feel better. Does this make these healthy?

                And taking this further you also mentioned you eat a lot of raw vegetables. Are you aware that raw vegetables are harder to digest and contain higher levels of thyroid suppressing phytoestrogens than cooked vegetables?

                These are great examples of why people need to base their statements on actual research showing how things work instead of assuming things are beneficial based on how it makes them feel as an individual, which again does not apply to everyone else.

              • Healthy, fit? Can you actually define those terms? In a general sense? No, no you can not.

                Exercise matters more then the new less is more trendoids want to sell you. Movement is the only thing the fitness industry and all the diet fads ever got right. Move! And move often!

                Okay you feel better eating all vegetarian. Fine. Let me offer you this, its simply due to the fact that you stop eating cr/p foods. Of course you feel better, get more healthy each month. Duh! Does it mean over the long haul you’re eating correctly, properly for optimal health? No!

                Oh and there’s another buzz word, optimal!! And no, I don’t have a general definition for the term. Because self diagnosis is bullshyte! Most blood work at your Dr. is for shyte!

                Not eating the cr/p that is the basic American diet of fast, processed foods is always going to feel better. Always! But once you detox and deplete the few reserves you have – then what? It’s a fact about vitamin and mineral defienciecies in a majority of vegetarian/vegan diets. It’s a fact the human species evolved to eat meat – flesh – and plant foods. OMNIvores is what we are! Fact!

      • This seems like a good place to add this comment.

        In many areas of science, the reliability of the scientific method has been compromised by the scientific process. The distinction is made abundantly clear in the following New Yorker expose/article.

        In a nutshell, human nature has introduced conscious and unconscious bias to many areas of the scientific process, greatly diminishing the value and trustworthiness of peer reviewed studies.

        As a strong believer in evidence over hype or feelings, I was dismayed to learn this…

        http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/12/13/the-truth-wears-off

  27. Denisa….I went through a very stressful time and all my good teeth went bad. I believe stress effects the saliva a lot. Forgiveness and peace make all the body’s functions work properly. Good supplements are only one factor. I would say emotions have trumped food in my experience.

  28. I understand that the ph of your blood has nothing to do with alkaline/acidic diet but I have a serious problem with my saliva: the ph of my saliva is constantly 5,5 -6 ph …this is unfortunately really bad for your teeth!!!! they are attacked by the acid and they basically get destroyed by your own saliva. I eat no sugar, no honey, no other sweeteners. I am lost and do not know what to do???? I take vitamin D and K2 supplements and magnesium oil since I believe those are important for teeth. I need help otherwise I will loose my teeth!!!! It started happening 2 years ago, before I had no problems , no holes, perfect enamel for 20 years!!!! thanks for your help

    • Hi Denisa,

      First of all saliva itself is alkaline. The mouth is made acidic from a lack of or insufficient saliva to wash away the acids or from an excess of acid forming bacteria in the mouth.

      People with dry mouth syndrome for example from Sjogren’s disease tend to have a lot of problems with their teeth due to the lack of saliva.

      Same when we do not take care of our teeth by brushing, etc. This allows acid forming bacteria build up.

      If you do not have dry mouth syndrome then chewing gum is one simple way to increase saliva. A sugar free xylitol gum is preferred and the xylitol also helps reduce bacteria.

      Brushing your teeth with a little baking soda is another good idea as is rinsing your mouth occasionally with a small amount of 3% peroxide. This is best done after brushing with the baking soda since the brown bottle peroxide contains acidic stabilizers. Or make your own 3% solution from the food grade 35% peroxide by diluting with purified water.

      As for supplements the most important supplement to maintain healthy teeth as well as bones, skin, hair, nails, tendons, ligaments, arterial walls, etc. is silica. Bamboo powder is the best herbal source being 7 times higher in silica than horsetail grass (shavegrass). I also prefer bamboo over horsetail grass since horsetail grass constricts blood vessels while bamboo dilates blood vessels.

      Although my absolute favorite silica source is food grade diatomaceous earth added to water. This delivers more silica to the body per day than taking capsules of a silica source due to silica’s poor absorption. And it is cheap. An ounce of food grade DE is about $0.40 and used this way will last many, many years. I posted on how to use DE here:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2800

      And some more related information on silica:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3463&highlight=diatomaceous

      http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Silica.htm

      http://www.medcapsules.com

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3575&highlight=bamboo/info/Silica_Diatomaceous%20Earth%20vs%20Horsetail%20Grass.htm

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3461

      Alfalfa herb (not sprouts) and nettle leaf are also great as they provide various nutrients needed to strengthen the teeth.

      James

    • Denisa – I’ve been having the exact same problem for the last 15 years. Perfect decay free teeth for 30 years no matter what I ate then bang – acidic saliva all the time dissolving my teeth over the last 15 years. I take vitamin d, vitamin k, bamboo silica, drink raw milk, drink vegetable juice, eat cheese and cod liver oil, chew xylitol gum – and nothing helps. I clean my teeth like a freak – just seems to make it worse.

      I don’t know if it’s from the pregnancies I’ve had or not but I’ve long since been done with those and I’m still acidic. I also had something called a “Rhogam shot” during my pregnancies because of my blood type. Did you happen to ever get this shot? My problems seemed to start after those shots (got 4 of them).

      Anyway if you ever figure this problem out let me know. I want to stop this decay process so I don’t have to be in dentures!

  29. A lot of smart people here think they know everything..Its very basic but DRUG CARTEL make very complicated when you have a cancer (cancer cell) sugar or acitic food feed the cancer cell..Means dont eat acitic food eat all alkiline base foods plus drink baking soda with alkaline water (not more than 12 gr a day)..I give you gurantee this way may be you cant kill cancer but less you dont throw gasoline over fire either..This article look like wrote by someone dont care humanity!!Only care money and cancer DRUG companies!!! Who make billions over save this information from everyones!! English is not my first language but I know for sure Alkaline food water baking soda stop the cancer cell grow.

    • The real problem is that there are a lot of people who do not know how to do proper research that think they known more than they really do.

      For example, ALL foods are metabolized in to acids. Despite this fact there are still those people who falsely think there is such a thing as an alkaline food.

      They also do not realize that cancer cells, which already have alkaline internal pH levels that help them to survive and thrive, can feed on various fuels. These are sugars, some amino acids, ketones and lactate.

      The worse are the ones that recommend ingesting baking soda just because they read this dangerous propaganda somewhere. They clearly do not understand the fact that ingesting baking soda can not only lead to cancer, but also promote existing cancers for several reasons. When the baking soda is ingested both the baking soda and the stomach acid are neutralized. The neutralization of the stomach acid increases the risk of infection from cancer causing pathogens. In addition, the neutralization of the stomach acid also decreases the absorption of nutrients, especially those required for methylation. Decreased methylation leads to an increased risk of cancer and promotion of existing cancers by suppressing the immune system, inhibiting DNA repair and by increasing inflammation and thus free radicals from increased homocysteine levels.

      Ionized alkaline water poses the same problems and further increases the risk of cancer due to the caustic nature of the water and the very dangerous hydroxyl radical it forms.

      This is a great example of why I always encourage people to research health claims they see or read. Even mine. I have no issues with this because i have been doing the research for 36 years and feel confident in what I am saying.

      • Hi James,

        I have a preteen child who has been on an acid reducer (Prilosec) for over a year due to IBS–prescribed by GI doctor. It has effectively treated the IBS but I worry that it will cause nutrient loss and the risks you mentioned with baking soda use. Whenever we try to withdraw the Prilosec (even very gradually), she experiences terrible heartburn and a return of IBS. Any advice you have is welcomed—

        • Hi SW,

          IBS has been linked to low intestinal flora, which serves a number of functions in the intestines. The flora help to maintain peristalsis, kill pathogens, produce certain vitamins and maintaining a proper pH in different parts of the intestine.

          My primary recommendation is cultured foods and increased fiber intake. Cultured foods include kefirs, cultured vegetables, miso, tempeh, etc. These will replace some of the strains of the beneficial bacteria. The fibers are used to feed the good bacteria. The best fibers are rice bran, oat bran and vegetable gums such as guar, konjac (glucomannan), xanthan, etc.

          Intestinal anti-inflammatories such as licorice root or yucca root, which are also good for the flora.

          My recommendation for the stomach acid for a child who has been on PPIs would be betaine HCl after meals.

          Normally I prefer digestive bitters, but these would be harder to get a child to do since they are so bitter and have to contact the tongue to work.

          When the body gets back to producing its own stomach acid then the betaine HCl can be slowly reduced.

          James

          • IBS and fiber? James, do you have IBS or ever had IBS? I would say you have not, so why are you advising to ingest fiber? As someone with extremely horrible IBS-C, starch and fiber are the two most things that should NOT be eaten. You have a lot of comments on this article and thread about baking soda, which you are wrong about. You seem to do a lot of reading but someone that sits there and reads and doesn’t actually experience things for themselves are at a loss to someone like myself who has benefited from zero carb/ low carb, avoiding starch and fiber completely and supplementing baking soda/sodium bicarbonate. The only thing I have seen you mention all these lines that was correct, as far as my physical experience goes, is cultured foods. Getting more probiotics and good bacteria is a good idea – however, most foods that are cultured include ingredients that would make IBS worse.

            • Karuna,

              Obviously you:

              1. Have no clue what IBS is.

              2. Have no clue what can cause IBS.

              3. Have no clue that there are different forms of fiber.

              4. Have no clue how many different things that can cause constipation, which means that the constipation may or may not have anything to do with the IBS.

              And NOBODY said anything about starches. So I don’t even know why you are bringing that up.

              Also makes me wonder what you are eating as a diet since plants contain fibers and starches. And if you are eating something like beef the iron could be causing your constipation.

              And if you really understood IBS, which has been linked to a lack of flora and the fact that you have to feed the flora then you would have realized I was not wrong.

              And if you bothered to take the tume to educate yourself on things such as basic chemistry and human physiology then you would also have been aware that I was actually correct about the dangers and lack of effectiveness when ingesting baking soda. For that matter you should have learned by at least 3rd grade science that if you mix an acid with baking soda the baking soda gets neutralized. And this is EXACTLY what happens when the ingested baking soda comes in to contact with the stomach acid. Thus it has NO alkalizing effect on the blood pH and thus DOES NOT kill already alkaline cancer cells.

              And as pointed out the neutralization of stomach acid increases the risk of cancer and numerous diseases as well as promotes existing cancers for a number of reasons. This includes increasing risk of infection by cancer pathogens, nutritional deficiencies leading to decreased methylation that leads to immune suppression, higher estrogen levels and inhibited DNA repair to name a few.

              This is why you keep claiming I am wrong but can never post any evidence as to why you think I am wrong. You are basing your false assumption on whatever bogus propaganda you heard and chose to believe, such as that from Sircus, instead of the reality of facts proven by science. This is a common tactic among uneducated gullible individuals. Since they never learned the facts they simply accept what they hear and sounds good to them. When they find out from a credible source that they were gullible enough to fall for some bogus crap they don’t want to admit they are gullible and wrong so they attack the messenger and claim over and over that the messenger is wrong even though no evidence exists to prove that claim.

              At least you are catching on to the role the beneficial bacteria play. The problem is that you still have not figured out that the bacteria have to be fed. What you are talking about is like having a baby then leaving it to fend for itself. It DOES NOT work that way. The primary food source for these beneficial bacteria that help treat and prevent IBS are FIBERS!!!!

              Therefore I suggest you spend less time falsely claiming I am wrong to protect your ego and spend more time learning some real chemistry and human physiology so you stop making yourself look so foolish.

        • SW, chewing slowly and intently until her food becomes a puree is also extremely important to aid in the digestive function. I was on prilosec for 15 years and now do not ever need it.
          Also no electronic devices while eating. Focus on the activity of eating.
          I agree with James as he offers great medical advice, but he often forgets the more human side of things.

          • I am not forgetting the human side of anything. The problem is a lack of stomach acid. Slow chewing to a puree does not increase the stomach acid. Slow chewing does help to increase surface area and mixing of enzymes for digestion and extraction. But again, these were not the issue being asked about.

            • Chewing IS a very important aspect of digestion as is breathing, which I failed to mention the first time. I think that whether or not someone asks something directly it is your responsibility as an self proclaimed educator to give the entire picture after all, some people just don’t know everything to ask.

              • Uh…so chewing is important…isnt that sorta common knowledge?

                Does an educator have to to a complete recap of common knowledge with ever presentation? “Okay ladies and gentlemen Im going to discuss strength training and muscle overload principles, but first lets review the human body muscle by muscle…”

                ???

                • I see what Beth is saying, though — often times we forget to chew. Our GI tracts get “bombed” with foods suddenly without preparation, and often times they get bombed with “gulped” or “swallowed” foods that have a high surface area to volume ratio. Beth and James are talking about two sides of the same coin. Giving the body time to anticipate a meal and methodical, thorough chewing can help mitigate low stomach acid or other digestive issues.

                • Ehan,

                  Slow chewing is not going to mitigate low stomach acid. The formation of stomach acid begins even before you start eating. Something as simple as thinking about food starts the secretion of stomach acid. And for gastric emptying the stomach has to sufficiently acidic. Therefore stomach acidity will continue to rise as the food sits in the stomach. This is a primary reason why when we eat our stomach does not immediately empty out. It takes time for the stomach acid to reach proper levels to allow proper gastric emptying.

              • Beth,

                I am not here to write books on every aspect of a part of human physiology.

                And if you are going to expect something like that from others then why don’t you set an example. I did not see you give an entire picture. Where is your information detailing the reasons chewing is so important? Why people with no or some missing teeth have problems? The role of saliva and salivary enzymes?……….. So again, where is the complete picture? Seems to me you left a whole lot out of your original response.

                James

      • Alkaline ionized water is negatively charged due to an abundance of free elections that neutralize free radicals. It’s measurable by an ORP monitor… The same instrument that shows positively charged free radicals in just about everything else we drink.

        Add to that the long list of those who’ve experienced improved health and have blood test results to prove it. Whatever you think you know about the science of ionized water, is incomplete at best.

        And no, I don’t sell water. I was just smart enough to research it and drink it for 9 years… If it was loaded with free radicals then why have I not aged at the rate of anyone around me over nearly a decade? It’s actually kind of annoying. Because when people here that I have 14 year old twins they look at me like I had them when I was 12 or 13. I’m almost relieved when I get to tell them I’m pushing 40.

        It’s all good if people want to believe this nonsense being spread here. I have nothing to gain or lose by anyone else’s choice. I just sit back and laugh as my doctor commends me for my exceptional blood test results and I watch everyone else age quickly as I maintain my youthful appearance.

        • Amber: “Alkaline ionized water is negatively charged due to an abundance of free elections that neutralize free radicals. It’s measurable by an ORP monitor”

          I really wish people would stop repeating the same old bogus Kangen sales propaganda and trying to present it as fact.

          Ionized alkaline water contains caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that dissociate forming the dangerous free radical known as the hydroxyl radical associated with the formation of cancer among other things. This is only one of the reasons ionized alkaline water increases the risk of cancer and other diseases.

          And ORP DOES NOT measure antioxidant activity!!!!! Again, that is just bogus sales hype as Kangen keeps lying to the public. ORP is simply a test that measures impurity content and ability to destroy contaminants. That is in no way near to measuring anti-oxidant activity as the Kangen scammers keep falsely claiming.

          Amber: ” If it was loaded with free radicals then why have I not aged at the rate of anyone around me over nearly a decade? ”

          Ever hear of things called “anti-oxidants”?!!! We can get these from our diet and our bodies even produce a variety of them since free radicals are essential to health, but only become dangerous if they exceed antioxidant capabilities of healthy cells.

        • Hi, Amber, I am not criticising your honest attempt to talk about ionized water but i feel the need to help you with some misconceptions you and many other people have about so-called ‘alkaline ionized water.
          1. “Alkaline ionized water is negatively charged due to an abundance of free elections that neutralize free radicals. ”

          It is NOT negatively charged. Good water from a good system that has been properly maintained adds molecular hydrogen to water. There is no such thing as negatively charged or ‘ionic’ water. Electronic water ionizers must be regularly cleaned to continue to add H2.

          2. “It’s measurable by an ORP monitor… The same instrument that shows positively charged free radicals in just about everything else we drink.”

          An ORP monitor only measured the electrical charge in water, and a negative electrical charge is an indication only of the presence of H2. Because an ORP meter shows a positive charge has absolutely nothing to do with free radicals in the water. It ONLY means that the water itself has a positive elecytical charge. Yes, many sellers will say different and agree with you. They are all wrong. Sorry.

          Please, for the sake of good hydrogen water and the true science that supports it, go to molecularhydrogen foundation.org and read up.

          It is the H2 that gives you the effect, and the same H2 is available in non-electric systems and even tablets. There’s no longer any need to invest in an electronic ‘ionizer’.

          Ian Blair Hamilton
          http://www.alkaway.com

      • Well James you have an ocean full of fish to educate. You see the ocean has a PH of 8.2 primarily from bicarbonate and phosphate. Many fish aggressively drink sea water. Interestingly rainbow trout when changing from fresh water to sea water start ingesting I think the figure was 50x more water, and their metabolism goes up 30%. So maybe you can set up a sea front tent and explain to all the ignorant fish how very bad sodium bicarbonate is for them and their stomachs. “You there Mr Shinypants spit that out its harming your stomach!”
        .

  30. Very informative. Thanks for doing the research for all of Us. You make it easy to read and understand especially for those with limited knowledge of science of metabolism and how our body works. Keep it up and more power to you.

  31. Thank you for the article and the research. It makes an assumption that you have well functioning kidneys. I have PKD and my nephrologist has pushed me very hard towards a diet that reduces the acid that my low functioning kidneys have to process. As my urine PH moved more to base (vegan diet) my eGFR and other numbers that rule my life and lifestyle (no dialysis) improve or sustain, as my urine PH moves to acidic my numbers go the wrong way. Eventually, my kidneys will give out, but the more alkaline urine PH has extended their life in my opinion, and that of my doctor.

  32. This guy James needs to win some type of Webby award for laying all of his scientific knowledge on the table and going back and forth with brainwashed anti-science armchair experts. This lack of emphasis on science and critical thinking skills in the classrooms is the true cancer in society.

    I know how easy it is to buy these crazy scams, I briefly bought into the anti-GMO propaganda until I quickly realized how dumb GMO=bad/Organic=good rhetoric was and the paranoia that grips those who can’t buy anything without a fucking “organic” sticker, even though it is meaningless and isn’t regulated by anyone (which, ironically people don’t trust govt regulators anyways lol).

    Now, I can spot these pseudo-science arguments a mile away. It just takes a little more than clicking the first article or wikipedia entry whenever you’re skeptical about something. I know, that’s asking for someone’s firstborn, when you’re trained to pick the first answer that confirms your own fears or bias.

    From this James to that James: You’re a good dude, your passion to help others understand is making a difference, despite half the commenters spewing misinformation. I came here not knowing about this new trend, but as with virtually all diets, I knew it was based in fantasy.

  33. I am doing research into acid-alkaline balance in the human body and came across your myth articles. Thank you for all of your reference material. Since I am a purist when it comes to research, I am a little disappointed that you seem to freely accept one study that supports your belief (high protein diet improves nitrogen balance) and just as freely disregard a study that does not support your belief (one observational study concluding that alkaline diets improve lean muscle mass). I also am a little leery of someone who refers to research and use phrases like “multiple studies have shown”. I was taught that studies are designed to “find evidence to support” or “find no evidence to support”. Stating that “studies have shown” is not what I am used to nor did I find that statement within the referenced article.

    With these examples from your articles in play, I am grateful for the reference material but do not trust your analysis of the material.

    Thank You,

    • Don: “I am a little disappointed that you seem to freely accept one study that supports your belief (high protein diet improves nitrogen balance) and just as freely disregard a study that does not support your belief (one observational study concluding that alkaline diets improve lean muscle mass). ”

      How is that contradictory? Plants contain protein as well, and in some cases have higher protein contents than meats.

      Also keep in mind that there is more to maintaining muscle mass that simply the amino acids present. For example, you can eat high protein from animal or plant sources all day long and still not improve muscle mass without exercising the muscles. Testosterone levels are another big factor.

    • I’ve had digestive problems for many years including ulcerative colitis . I’ve read widely on the subjective of digestion . For me the acid alkaline balance is largely dependent on stomach acid , Hcl. If there’s too little, eating a high acid diet will in the end lead to all sorts of issues , including autoimmune diseases , an alkaline diet might stave off disaster for a while . What struck me about the ph miracle , which has many merits , was that it seems to say that Hcl is a byproduct of digestion , not a vital digestive juice secreted by the stomach . Although I was on ppi’s for years I have low stomach acid .The point I would like to make is that whatever you eat adequate Hcl is vital . After taking 4 625 mg Hcl and pepsin capsules with a meal , an acid meal at that , my urine ph rose to neutral several hours later .Also I had much less stomach upset . Amazing , for me this proved that what was happening was that the chyme leaving my stomach was now acidic enough to activate alkalizing pancreatic enzymes . My allergies are clearing up , my digestion is improving . How could doctors get this so wrong ?

      • Alan Whitham: “I’ve had digestive problems for many years including ulcerative colitis ”

        Ulcerative colitis and the closely related Crohn’s disease are autoimmune disorders triggered by mycobacterium avium complex. The autoimmunity itself has NOTHING to do with pH nor is it the result of an overactive immune system as doctors claim. The immune system is actually doing its job just as it is designed to do except one exception, which is the adrenal glands are not working properly leading to an overproduction of low affinity antibodies. I explain this more in depth here:

        http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=24454

        Alan Whitham: “For me the acid alkaline balance is largely dependent on stomach acid , Hcl. If there’s too little, eating a high acid diet will in the end lead to all sorts of issues , including autoimmune diseases , an alkaline diet might stave off disaster for a while .”

        Stomach acid has nothing to do with blood pH. Again, blood pH is maintained almost exclusively through respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention or elimination through the kidneys. See:

        https://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-2-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-2/

        What people need to realize is that EVERY SINGLE FOOD you consume is metabolized in to acids. There is NO such thing as an alkalizing food or diet. Even many of the so-called alkalizing foods have acidic pH levels to begin with.

        Therefore, it is also a myth that acidity promotes disease and alkalinity prevents it. In fact, research has shown that not only do many pathogens thrive in an alkaline environment, but also that when healthy cells are made excessively alkaline the healthy cells morph in to cancer cells.

        As for autoimmunity, this again stems from adrenal insufficiency. The most common nutritional deficiencies that lead to adrenal dysfunction are ascorbic ACID and pantothenic ACID. Acids are actually essential to our very existence. Acids are needed to form cells, to provide energy to cells, for detoxification, for digestion and absorption, to maintain healthy bones, to protect us from pathogens, to maintain circulation and to allow oxygenation of tissues, and the list goes on and on. People need to stop reading the alkalizing propaganda sites and get over their phobias a acids. Again, we cannot even exist or function without a number of acids.

        Alan Whitham: “What struck me about the ph miracle , which has many merits , was that it seems to say that Hcl is a byproduct of digestion , not a vital digestive juice secreted by the stomach . Although I was on ppi’s for years I have low stomach acid .The point I would like to make is that whatever you eat adequate Hcl is vital .”

        You are absolutely correct. Stomach acid is not a byproduct of digestion or a waste product as some propaganda sites claim. It is an essential component of digestion and absorption as well as a first line defense against ingested pathogens including some that cause cancer since most pathogens thrive in alkalinity. Same reason the ulcer and cancer producing bacteria Helicobacter pylori and the bacteria that cause urinary tract infections secrete urease to alkalize their environment for their survival.

        When you took the proton pump inhibitor (PPI) you were blocking stomach acid, which inhibits the absorption of nutrients needed for methylation. Methylation is required for about 4,000 processes in the body including protecting us from cancer, maintaining the immune system and cellular energy production, neurotransmitter and hormone production, etc. It is also required to produce stomach acid. Therefore the long term use of antacids or acid blockers leads to an inability for the body to produce more stomach acid, further increasing the risk of numerous diseases from ingested pathogens, nutritional deficiencies and decreased methylation.

        Alan Whitham: “After taking 4 625 mg Hcl and pepsin capsules with a meal , an acid meal at that , my urine ph rose to neutral several hours later .Also I had much less stomach upset . ”

        Urinary pH does not correlate to blood pH.

        The correction of upset stomach is from the acidity promoting digestion and decreasing fermentation in the stomach. Same reason behind digestive bitters, which raise stomach acid, to treat heartburn.

        Alan Whitham: “Also I had much less stomach upset . Amazing , for me this proved that what was happening was that the chyme leaving my stomach was now acidic enough to activate alkalizing pancreatic enzymes . ”

        Enzymes do not alkalize. The pancreas releases bicarbonate to neutralize acids in chyme. This is the so-called “alkaline response”, which occurs with the ingestion of ALL foods. It does not matter if you are ingesting lemon, a candy bar or steak.. All will cause the same alkaline response, which is a normal part of digestion.

        Alan Whitham: “My allergies are clearing up , my digestion is improving . ”

        Allergies are improving because the acidity not only allows for the proper digestion of proteins to prevent food allergies, but also through increased methylation that reduces histamine responses.

        Alan Whitham: “How could doctors get this so wrong ?”

        For the same reason so many people have fallen for the alkalize for health myth. People tend to believe what they are told without ever bothering to research the claims to see if they are factual or not.

        • You’re right about auto immune disease . I started out with Ankylosing Spondylitis . Anti-inflammatories caused me terrible stomach upset and I was put on and left on , first zantac then ppi’s omeprazole . I believe the anti inflammatories and the ppi’s caused my u.c. not auto immune disease . The ppi’s were also mis-prescribed , I have low stomach acid , I know because I now take Hcl and pepsin which gives me more relief than ppi’s ever did. The point I was trying to make is that low stomach acid has to be addressed or nothing will work properly . The environment in the colon should be alkaline . If stomach acid is absent or virtually absent the colon will become acidic , because alkalizing pancreatic enzymes will not be activated if the ph of the chyme leaving the stomach is too high . I have B12 deficiency , magnesium deficiency , anemia , all associated with low stomach acid . So low Hcl is involved in many diseases , in my view even cancer . The ph balance between the stomach and lower digestive tract is crucial and is not properly addressed by western medicine .Giving ppi’s to patients with digestive disorders without a Heidleburg test to make sure of the cause of the problem is , in view of the possible consequences , criminal incompetence , it’s going on on a massive scale . and is hugely profitable . Whether low stomach causes the blood ph to drop , I don’t know but it definitely raises acidity in the lower digestive tract . As Hippocrates said death begins in the colon , maybe more accurately it begins with low stomach acid . It’s time they got this right even if that means that big pharma lose trillions . I think Chris Kresser’s is the right approach ,not the ph miracle .

          • Alan….you are so right! It all starts with stomach acid in many of these dis-eases…..and docs have it all wrong in terms of prescribing PPI’s at such a high rate……it’s destroying peoples digestive systems and immune systems. Yes, yes, yes!!!

          • Apologies , I made the same mistake again . of course it’s the Sodium Bicarbonate that does the alkalizing not the enzymes .

        • Hi James…..one last question for you regarding stomach acid. I have several clients whom I know would benefit from increasing their stomach acid production (it’s likely ALL of my clients, really), but in particular one lady who is struggling with advancing osteoporosis. She is doing the diatomaceous earth now and eating well, taking bitters, exercising etc etc….but my question to you is, since PPI’s will increase parietal cell production in the stomach (and correct if I am wrong about this) and going off of them cold turkey will cause issues with too much production of acid, will taking an HCL pill decrease parietal cells? Will taking HCL make the stomach lazy? The body is an amazing thing and like with taking steroids or SSRI’s this can make the body lazy with adrenal gland atrophy and reduce serotonin production, respectively……what are your thoughts or knowledge pertaining to HCL. I want her to take these b/c I think she is deficient, but perhaps a Heidelberg test would be appropriate first…..

  34. Why aren’t we talking about what the kidneys really do and that is to filter. They filter cellular waste. If we have clear urine why do we think this is good? (well if you are drinking tons of water during the day you may) but in the am if you pee in a jar and see no sediment you are not filtering your cellular wastes. In turn then we are not getting that waste out correctly. So as anything that needs to get out and it doesn’t it stays inside. Maybe as we sweat it will come out a bit but if the kidneys are not filtering you will have acidosis. See in 2 minutes how you can check your filtration.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0OznrAVGCY&list=PLAmZ0Av0CC5S9pLz2eutPvISRQBJnwWJO
    ANd Dr.CHris can you please discuss this further. Why aren’t doctors doing this easy check on patients?
    If you have kidney issues in the family you need to know. Also if your bp is over 115/75 the top number is adrenals and bottom number is kidney function/filtration. If you have high bp even a little you probably need to fix the adrenals and kidneys and without meds, boom . it can normalize. I know it because it happened to me. After slightly high bp reading I learned my kidneys don’t filter very well. Take time and check, fix kidneys and bp goes down. Awesome stuff this healing body we have.

    • Thank you Laurie, VERY practical, helpful and interesting information. As to your question. I think you already know the answer.

    • The kidneys have more functions than simply filtering. Calcium balance and producing a hormone for red blood cell production for example.

      Acidosis has more than one cause as does high blood pressure. This are not strictly kidney or adrenal related.

  35. The most intelligent comment so far was by Christine
    OCTOBER 16, 2013 AT 11:44 AM

    Whatever you read regarding health , diet etc basically it all comes back to a very simple rule . For good health eat natural foods , stay away from anything that has been processed . Nothing more complicated than that .

    Also AVOID ALL Big Phama drugs, vaccines, chemotherapy, radiation. cosmetics, toxic chemicals and stress. Get plenty of exercise, sun and sleep and drink lots of fluoride free water…..The one factor everyone here has failed to mention – COMMON SENSE!

    • I missed Christine’s comment so thank you for mentioning it again. I back it up 100%. I know it is a good general guideline so I’ll throw in a few details.

      1] “Natural foods” does NOT include dead animals. So if you eat them, I suggest you work towards eliminating that from your diet. Take your time and do it gradually if needed, but DO IT.

      2] “Natural foods” COULD include a daily drink of super foods which could, depending on what you need, included healing herbs. [feel free to ask me for suggestions]

      3] Work at eliminating your negative thought processes or emotions. If you do that you WILL get healthy. [there may be a correlating improvement of the diet as this happens]

      • Dead animals, like dead plants, are completely natural and, if they are not adulterated with additives or from things the animal was fed, a very healthy and necessary part of the human diet. I was a vegetarian for something like 30 years before self preservation and an article by Barbara Kingsolver overcame my ethical misgivings.

        • [Sorry about the delayed response]

          Very involved subject but here are the basics

          If you are asking about the natural human diet, then it would be foods that are not altered by heat or processing. This would be fruit and some vegetables, [spouts], which is the most natural foods for humans and very easily digestible.

          Two of the healthiest foods are sunflower seeds and almonds. They are natural but really should be soaked, allowing them to be easily digestible.

          Slightly less natural are vegetables that require mild heating by steam.

          As far as eating dead animals, it is not even CLOSE for a natural food for humans. Just because many humans eat it and often contains much nutrition, does not mean that it is natural for the human diet.

          If one cannot use common sense to understand this then there is overwhelming, scientific evidence showing this fact.

          • That is not a fact, it is hypothesis.

            Secondly, humans are designed as OMNIVORES, not herbivores or carnivores.

            In addition, we cannot get true B12 from plants. We get this from meats. Strict vegetarians who do not supplement with B12 will develop a B12 deficiency anemia in an average of 2-6 years since the liver stores an average 2-6 year supply of B12.

            By the way, vegetables are just as natural as nuts, seeds and meats.

            • You are incorrect and again, hurting people with your ignorance.

              Humans are absolutely NOT meant to be meat eaters.

              As I said, it does not mean that we cannot gain from eating it and even be relatively healthy, eating it in moderation. That does not mean that we are designed to eat it or it is our optimal food any more than Twinkies are.

              Once again, you are not able to THINK. You need to use logic, common sense and get the bigger picture.
              As we evolve, meaning the as the “dweller” within the physical body evolves, then the need to eat meat will become less and less and eventually, there will be no need or desire for it.

              • Dennis,

                I have read the various propaganda sites and seen the various propaganda videos claiming we are designed as vegetarians Ironically it those people who fail to use common sense or think for themselves.

                For example, common sense tells us that since we are designed as omnivores neither a strict meat diet nor a strict plant diet is optimal. A mixture of the two is optimal.

                And again using some common sense a person would have to ask themselves where would we get sufficient B12 if not from meats since real B12 is not found in plants? These days we can get real B12 from supplements but we were not designed as recent as supplements have been available. Therefore, we had to obtain our B12 from meat prior to supplementation. As I mentioned before strict vegetarians will develop a B12 deficiency over time if they do not supplement with B12 since you CANNOT obtain true B12 from plants. Therefore, common sense also tells us that humans have always depended on meat since this was once the ONLY source of B12.

                Common sense tells us that our closest animal relatives, the bonobos, have virtually identical digestive systems as humans and bonobos like humans are omnivores.

                Bonobos, which are our closest animal relatives also have short canine teeth just like humans. Canine teeth are ONLY required by animals that also consume meat such as bonobos and humans. Herbivore mammals such as horses and cows lack canine teeth altogether and instead have flat grinding teeth instead strictly for plant matter..

                Common sense tells us that we have the same body length to intestine length as most omnivores and carnivores. Not the ratio of herbivores as the propaganda sites falsely claim.

                Bottom line is that I have argued the myth that we are supposedly herbivores for years with people who are simply regurgitating the bogus propaganda they have seen. And I have NEVER lost a debate with these people. Therefore, if you want to claim I am wrong you better come up with some really solid evidence to prove your claim because a major pet peeve of mine are people who want to simply claim others are wrong with ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to back their claims. That just shows a complete ignorance of the subject and shows the person is trying hard to make themselves appear more intelligent than they really are. That is like someone making up a ludicrous claim such as Twinkies (since you brought them up) are the perfect food for the body since they provide the body with the protein, fat and sugars the body needs to survive. See, anyone can make any absurd claim. It takes actual intelligence and understanding of the topic to actually back up the claims with real and solid evidence as I just did proving humans are omnivores

                James.

              • Uh…youre simply making claims, not backing them up.

                Also, you did not define what natural means, but simply gave a few limited examples of what are commonly called natural foods.

                And what is this, dweller stuff? Define that as well…

              • Perhaps if you tried actually backing your arguments up instead of simply stating others are wrong, you’d get somewhere Dennis.

                Explain why we have these
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxillary_canine

                Anyone applying your argument of ‘common sense’ (which in itself is not an argument) would be able to see not too many (if any) herbivores have canines. Feel your mouth, you’ve got 4 yourself. They’re the ones that stick up above the rest so you can tear meat.

            • James

              July 7, 2015 at 5:15 pm

              That is not a fact, it is hypothesis.

              Secondly, humans are designed as OMNIVORES, not herbivores or carnivores.
              ……………………………..
              Not true James…

              • Walter: “Not true James…”

                Simply saying something is not true with no evidence whatsoever to counter what was originally said shows the person claiming it is not true has no knowledge of the subject. The facts are simply countering their faulty belief system. If what I said was really not true then there would be some real evidence to the contrary and you would have presented it.

          • Natural Food-If there is anyone who would love to be vegan, that would be me!! I love nuts and beans, but I have a condition Mast Cell Activation that causes me to react to many foods, smells, pollen, virus’s, etc. Nuts seem to be the worst and I go into anaphylactic easily from them although I am not allergic. Also if I have beans more than a few times I week, no matter how they are soaked or how organic they are, I start to react terribly; the same goes for too much dairy. Peas are a very high histamine food, which also triggers my reactions to other foods, so pea protein is not even a choice. But since I have cut out 95% of grains, (I cheat a little with a gluten snack occasionally), but since cutting grains, nuts along with coconut, and trimming back my bean consumption, my anaphylactic reactions have been cut down considerably. I have never been a fan of meat, but since acquiring this condition, a few means are my only choice for protein. I still eat more greens than meat, but so grateful I can at least consume meat to get my proper protein. I get frustrated when people get a bit judgmental of those who eat meat. I hope some can remember that not everyone has choices, I know many others just like me.

            • Hi Maiysa,

              Sounds like you are referring to mastocytosis. Have you looked in to methylation and methyl donors such as trimethylglycine? Low DNA methylation has been linked to mastocytosis and also leads to increased histamine levels.

              Also look in to straight quercetin, not the quercetin, bromelain and vitamin C (QBC). The bioflavonoid quercetin is a fantastic and safe antihistamine.

              James

          • Try telling the Inuit peoples of the world as well as other tribals peoples who rely on mainly meat that they were never meant to eat animals. Direct your bleeding heart at the mistreatment of animals for food and leave out making preposterous claims.

      • I may have missed it. So much information to process, but what is a normal pH level. I have had a kidney transplant and because of it I have high blood pressure. My last pH count was 5.5. I can just about anything I out my mind too, but I have got to stop eating chicken. I need healthy feeling alternatives. My fear is that the anti-rejection drugs I am on can cause me to have/get cancer.

        • Hi Michelle,

          The pH of 5.5 you mentioned cannot be your blood pH. Normal blood pH is 7.35 to 7.45 and death occurs if the pH drops below 6.8.

          You are right about the anti-rejection drugs. The vast majority of cancers are viral in origin and most of the remaining from other pathogens. Therefore, immune suppressants like anti-rejection drugs do increase the risk of cancer.

          And it is very tricky since most of the holistic therapies regarding cancer center around boosting the immune functions or do this indirectly.

          The only thing I can recommend for now is a diet rich in vegetables and grains, which both contain various anti-cancer compounds without any significant immune boosting effects.

          James

    • You say avoid chemotherapy to stay healthy. Well, as a survivor (6 years now) of acute myeloid leukaemia and having gone through 6 rounds of chemo and a bone marrow transplant, I have to say that I’m grateful for chemo! I simply wouldn’t be alive without it. Yes, it’s a bastard of a treatment and it took me a while to get over it (with the help of lots of herbs and supplements) but I am still here. And I wouldn’t have been otherwise.

    • Mediterranean diet I was brought up eatong. Also read Edgar Cayce regarding the acid/alkaline diet. everything in moderation.

    • Vaccines are absolutely necessary, chemotherapy saved my uncle’s life and many other, I need medication, and despite eating processed foods people are living considerably longer than when they were forced to eat all natural.

        • Thanks to people refusing vaccines diseases that have almost been eradicated are resurfacing. Also modern medicine is probably the single biggest contributor to a long life expectancy in a modern society. More importantly it’s very easy for people in the first world to talk about how these fad diets prove that modern things are bad for you but I come from a third world country where people who live in rural areas with only some farm animals and crops they plant themselves do not live longer than city people even though everything they eat is organic. Why? Because it’s often not enough, because there is no medicine and host of other modern conveniences that make life easier, safer and longer. Just giving birth outside a hospital is highly risky and people in poor countries like mine that have to face that would do anything for the security a safe, medical environment would bring to them during just that one event in life.

          • Maria Lozada: “Thanks to people refusing vaccines diseases that have almost been eradicated are resurfacing.”

            What a crock!!!! Although this does bring up a really good point. If vaccines really worked then why are the vaccinated people so scared of the people who have not been vaccinated.

            What the people making such ludicrous claims as vaccines have been proven to work keep overlooking are the facts that people can still get the same diseases they have been vaccinated for and many diseases that have mandatory vaccines for are on the rise.

          • Its a myth, easily seen in two statistics. A) The average person lives longer than the average doctor(do you really believe he can’t help himself but he can help you?). And when hospitals go on strike the average death rate in the area goes down, and go back up to normal when they come back online. They’ve tried to explain away these statistics in so many ways..tried and failed.

      • Maria Lozada: “Vaccines are absolutely necessary”

        Why? They have never even been proven to work. And are you aware of the fact that you can still get the diseases you you are vaccinated for? In fact, mumps is on the rise despite mandatory vaccines. And are you aware of the potential side effects that include neurological problems and even death. It is claimed these are rare, but not all cases are being reported as such and rare or not does it really matter when it happens to someone close to you? Keep in mind also that it is the same idiots telling us that vaccines are safe that also lied to us claiming Thimerosal was taken out of all childhood vaccines and even worse yet are vaccinating newborns. See:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLh-UOwAc88

        Are you also aware of the fact that the first cases of AIDS were ALL linked to vaccine programs? The WHOs Expanded Program on Immunization in Africa during the late 1970s. There were also outbreaks of Ebola, Marburg’s disease and Lassa fever in the same villages receiving the smallpox vaccines being given by the WHO. These three diseases started in the same African villages receiving the vaccines and died out on their own when the vaccine trials were halted. This also shows that viruses can die out on their own accord without any human intervention. Although the WHO had been warned several times that their vaccines were contaminated with viruses the WHO did nothing to change this fact. In fact, if you read the Bull of the WHO and the Fed Proc of 1972 you will find the WHO was deliberately trying to create synthetic viruses to introduce during vaccine programs to “selectively destroy the immune system” by wiping out T cell, B cell or antibody function.

        And as reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) with the experimental hepatitis B vaccine in New York City in 1978. In fact, the later vaccine trial was also conducted in Los Angeles, San Francisco, St. Louis and Miami in the 1980s, which were the other original hot spots for the initial AIDS outbreaks that were linked to the vaccine.

        The polio vaccines given to over 95 million American in the 50s and 60s were contaminated with the SV-40 virus linked to various cancers in humans.

        The HPV vaccine has already killed how many hundreds of people? That is not even counting other adverse effects caused from the vaccine.

        The list can go on and on. Although the fact remains that vaccines have neither been proven nor is testing for safety or effectiveness required for most vaccines as is required for other drugs.

        Maria Lozada: “chemotherapy saved my uncle’s life and many other,”

        Yes, it works SOMETIMES, especially on easy to treat cancers such as leulkemias and lymphomas that have an 80% success rate by the use of the antiviral drugs Vincristine and Vinblastine derived from the plant Madagascar periwinkle.

        The majority of the time though chemotherapy and radiation therapy fail for several reasons. For one most chemo drugs and radiation therapy are carcinogens, in large part from the immune suppression they cause allowing cancer pathogens to cause secondary cancers. The other problem reported in the medical journals is the fact that cancerous tumors contain both well oxygenation and hypoxic regions due to the irregular vasculature. Since most chem drugs and radiation therapy are reliant on an oxygen radical principle they can ONLY work on the well oxygenated areas of the tumor. Since the hypoxic regions survive they continue to grow again reaching detectable levels usually within a few years. These are also often chemo and radiation resistant tumors by this time.

        Maria Lozada: “and despite eating processed foods people are living considerably longer than when they were forced to eat all natural.”

        And one of the major reasons for this is better hygiene. Also better sanitation.

        • “They (vaccines) have never even been proven to work.”

          All reliable scientific evidence demonstrates that vaccines are effective, to the point of almost eradicating some diseases like smallpox and polio, and have no major side effects. Diseases like Ebola are indigenous to those areas so outbreaks are not surprising. There is also no verifiable link between vaccines and any disease not even autism. I know this doesn’t mean anything to a group of people prepared to look other way of study after scientific study that proves all of what I’m saying in order to continue believing their personal conspiracy theory about medicine. I will continue to believe in actual science.

          Chemotherapy is not perfect. Radiotherapy is not perfect. They are grueling and knock-out the recipient. If there were more effective treatments outside of surgery I would love to hear it. But there are not. They are still the gold standard. Also the idea leukemia is easy is completely crazy, a lot people die from leukemia and many others require more than just chemo like a bone marrow transplant. My uncle had colon cancer. For the record it’s not antivirals it’s retrovirals and they’re for viruses like the name implies not for cancer which an autoimmune disease from one’s own cells.

          • Maria Lozada: “All reliable scientific evidence demonstrates that vaccines are effective, to the point of almost eradicating some diseases like smallpox and polio”

            I went to go post a response to this nonsense but the response was too long so it would not post so I will have to address it in several parts.

            You clearly missed some important facts I brought up. For example, the fact that viral outbreaks that have no vaccines available have died out on their own in history. Therefore the claim of diseases being diminished r eradicated by vaccines is very faulty reasoning used by pro-vaccine supporters because they don’t understand scientific process or evidence.

            Secondly, diseases for which vaccines are mandatory are on the rise.

            And finally they are overlooking the problem that VIRUSES MUTATE through several mechanisms, which would prevent vaccines from working anyway. This is the reasoning they are giving for the high failure rate of the last round of flu vaccines. This has always been a major problem to begin with, but unfortunately the pro-vaccine proponents who seem to only rely on vaccine propaganda don’t seem to grasp these simple concepts.

            Maria Lozada: “and have no major side effects.”

            Wow!!!!! You really don’t consider deaths, neurological damage and cancers that all have been linked to vaccines are not major side effects?!!!! So what do you consider “major”?

            And have you ever known anyone who had any of these side effects from vaccines? I have known quite a few.

            Of course the pro-vaccine propaganda will claim these are rare but there is no mandatory adverse event reporting for vaccines and thus most adverse effects from vaccinations are never reported to begin with. And when it happens to someone that is close to you does it really matter if the side effects are really rare or not?

            Maria Lozada: “Diseases like Ebola are indigenous to those areas so outbreaks are not surprising.”

            Again you are overlooking a lot of facts. The sudden outbreaks of Ebola, Marburg’s and Lassa fever in the late 70s in Africa all had one thing in common. They ALL appeared in the same villages receiving the WHO’s smallpox vaccines during the Expanded Program on Immunization (EPI). Not only did all three of these diseases first appear in the same villages as the EPI was being performed, but they appeared in all these villages at the onset of the EPI and ALL of these diseases disappeared on their own when the EPI was halted. Again, no vaccines for any of these. The first outbreaks of AIDS in Africa also occurred in the same exact villages receiving the EPI vaccines. Blood samples taken prior to the EPI in these villages showed no HIV present according to medical journal reports that you apparently never read.

            Did you even look in to the references I told you about in my previous post where the WHO talks about producing synthetic viruses to selectively destroy the immune system then wanting to introduce these immune destroying viruses during routine vaccines of humans? Since it appears you don’t know how to research such facts let me give you a little booster to make it super simple for you:

            Bull WHO 1972. 47:257-63

            Fed Proc. 1972, 31:1087

            Of course you probably believe in the HIV came from monkeys myth. Of course if people who believe in this myth actually read the medical journals they would have found out the fact that AIDS appeared in 18 countries all at the same time (All participating in the EPI) and the HIV virus is not even a close relative to the SIV virus as is claimed. The SIV virus has only 43% of the same genetics as HIV. Anyone knowing any basics of mutation knows that mutations do not occur in such major jumps meaning HIV DID NOT come from SIV. According to the medical journals the closest known relative of HIV is sheep maedna visna virus, with 53% of the same genetics. Next is bovine leukemia virus with 51% of the same genetics, including the same exact gene for reverse transcriptase. Combined these two viruses have 100% of the same genes as HIV and produce the same symptoms in animals as is produced in humans with AIDS.

            The first AIDS cases in the US were also in vaccine (experimental hepatitis B) recipients, which was reported on several times in the prestigious medical journal the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Surprising what people can find and learn when they actually read medical journals instead of pro-vaccine propaganda sites.

            The next outbreaks of AIDS in the US occurred in LA, San Francisco, St, Louis and Miami and again all in the vaccine recipients.

            If you want to read up on the US governments involvement in the production of the AIDS virus see Senate Subcommittee Hearings for Chemical Biological Warfare Appropriations for 1970, part 6, July 1, 1969
            page 1, which is the request for funding for the production of the virus. Several years later after Nixon outlawed biological warfare the virus was given to the WHO under article 10 of the ban treaty. Again, you actually have to get your nose out of the pro-vaccine propaganda sites to find these medical journal articles and government documents like I did.

            Maria Lozada: “There is also no verifiable link between vaccines and any disease not even autism. I know this doesn’t mean anything to a group of people prepared to look other way of study after scientific study that proves all of what I’m saying in order to continue believing their personal conspiracy theory about medicine. I will continue to believe in actual science.

            Pretty ironic coming from someone who has not even looked at the medical literature and thinks actual science is guessing based on flimsy evidence and personal opinion.

            Evidence of vaccine damage and deaths is very abundant. Everything from cancer and neurological damage to deaths.

            For example the hundreds of deaths already attributed to the HPV vaccine.

            The swine flu vaccine fiven back in the early 70s cost the government over $1 billion to settle lawsuits from the deaths and neurological damage caused by the vaccine. And that did not include military personnel who were harmed from the forced vaccinations since they were barred from suing.

            The smallpox vaccines of the 50s and 60s contaminated with SV40 virus known to cause various cancers in humans and given to over 90 million Americans alone.

            The list goes on and on, but only people who know how to actually do research and read medical journals are likely to know these facts.

            As for autism the jury is still out. The “science” you believe in again involves propaganda and guessing.

            What do we know in science and medicine about mercury? That is very damaging to the brain, especially to rapidly dividing brain cells of infants.

            And before anyone tries to argue methylated vs other forms of mercury I suggest you research the methylation process in the body.

            And if we look at the statistics there is very clear and significant rise in the cases of autism when the mercury compound Thimerosal was added to childhood vaccines.

            And again, if you actually read the medical journals instead of pro-vaccine propaganda sites you will also find that we were lied to when they claimed there was no change in autism rates when Thimerosal was removed from “all” childhood vaccines. Problem with this claim is that it was not true. Thimerosal was only removed from SOME of the childhood vaccines, not all of the vaccines. And these proven liars are the ones you are trusting over the vaccine debate? Not a very scientific method now is it?

            So go ahead and continue believing in your science fiction based on the propaganda sites you follow. I prefer to remain grounded in reality backed by research from medical journals and other credible sources of information.

          • Maria Lozada: “Chemotherapy is not perfect. Radiotherapy is not perfect.”

            Correct, and they both have very low success rates for most cancers.

            By the way, have you ever worked in a cancer ward like I have and seen what these therapies really do to people? Have you ever watched someone die not from their cancer but rather their therapies as I have? If not then try it then get back to me!!!

            Maria Lozada: “ If there were more effective treatments outside of surgery I would love to hear it. But there are not.”

            Again, if you got your nose out of your bogus propaganda sites and did some actual research you would know that this assumption of yours is also false.

            There are numerous therapies out there with plenty of research showing safety and effectiveness for cancer. My favorite is ozone therapy that is the safest and most effective therapy for cancer ever devised. Ozone not only destroys cancer cells specifically without harming healthy cells, but also does it in a chain reaction while addressing the causes and other aspects of cancer.:

            Science. 1980 Aug 22;209(4459):931-3.

            Ozone selectively inhibits growth of human cancer cells.

            Sweet F, Kao MS, Lee SC, Hagar WL, Sweet WE.

            Abstract

            The growth of human cancer cells from lung, breast, and uterine tumors was selectively inhibited in a dose-dependent manner by ozone at 0.3 to 0.8 part per million of ozone in ambient air during 8 days of culture. Human lung diploid fibroblasts served as noncancerous control cells. The presence of ozone at 0.3 to 0.5 part per million inhibited cancer cell growth 40 and 60 percent, respectively. The noncancerous lung cells were unaffected at these levels. Exposure to ozone at 0.8 part per million inhibited cancer cell growth more than 90 percent and control cell growth less than 50 percent. Evidently, the mechanisms for defense against ozone damage are impaired in human cancer cells.

            As where chemotherapy and radiation therapy can lead to severe immune suppression, which contributes to the recurrence of cancers ozone boosts the immune system by increasing cytokines, white blood cell activity and immune enzymes.

            As where chemotherapy and radiation therapy destroy healthy tissue ozone therapy helps promote healing.

            As where radiation therapy and most chemotherapy drugs are known carcinogens, ozone therapy does not cause cancer.

            In fact, a study conducted on ozone safety followed over 6.5 million doses of ozone given. Just over 30 adverse events were reported and were generally mild such as redness or irritation at the injection site. Name even one allopathic cancer therapy that even comes close to that kind of safety record.

            Ozone therapy is highly effective against ALL cancers alone or can be used in conjunction with chemotherapy or radiation therapy to enhance their effectiveness as studies have shown. It does this by helping to oxygenate the hypoxic regions of the tumor which prevent radiation therapy and most chemotherapy drugs from working as explained earlier and again evidence of is found in the medical journals.

            Here is just a small fraction of the medical research publicly available on the benefits of ozone on cancer:

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18224691

            http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhumares.de%2Ffiles%2Ffallbeispiele%2FMedicalAspectsofOzone-therapy.pdf&ei=6BwRU6LaHOjhyQG8ooDgBQ&usg=AFQjCNGXMj2oWLLs-xQq4zilV9gplGdVzg&sig2=tW6EObRAOzQbLjDu9hASLA&bvm=bv.62286460,d.aWc

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22470237
            Ozone therapy: A clinical review.
            Elvis AM1, Ekta JS.
            Author information
            Abstract
            Ozone (O(3)) gas discovered in the mid-nineteenth century is a molecule consisting of three atoms of oxygen in a dynamically unstable structure due to the presence of mesomeric states. Although O(3) has dangerous effects, yet researchers believe it has many therapeutic effects. Ozone therapy has been utilized and heavily studied for more than a century. Its effects are proven, consistent, safe and with minimal and preventable side effects. Medical O(3) is used to disinfect and treat disease. Mechanism of actions is by inactivation of bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeast and protozoa, stimulation of oxygen metabolism, activation of the immune system. Medication forms in a gaseous state are somewhat unusual, and it is for this reason that special application techniques have had to be developed for the safe use of O(3). In local applications as in the treatment of external wounds, its application in the form of a transcutaneous O(3) gas bath has established itself as being the most practical and useful method, for example at low (sub-atmospheric) pressure in a closed system guaranteeing no escape of O(3) into the surrounding air. Ozonized water, whose use is particularly known in dental medicine, is optimally applied as a spray or compress. Diseases treated are infected wounds, circulatory disorders, geriatric conditions, macular degeneration, viral diseases, rheumatism/arthritis, cancer, SARS and AIDS.
            Free PMC Article

            The post is too long so I will post more ozone references for cancer in my next post.

            I don’t get people who want to simply state others are wrong because they are too lazy to do the research or simply don’t want to see it since it will burst their “I believe in ‘unicorns’ belief system if they ever saw the truth. So they wish to hide in their bogus propaganda beliefs where they feel safe from the real world.

            Maria Lozada: “ Also the idea leukemia is easy is completely crazy, a lot people die from leukemia and many others require more than just chemo like a bone marrow transplant. ”

            Another simple concept that flew WAY OVER your head. Look up the success rate of treatment for leukemias and lymphomas. It is around 80%, which makes these some of the easiest cancers to treat since many other cancers have less than a 3% success rate with chemo and radiation. Do a lot of people still die? Of course. Use some common sense for once. How many millions have been diagnosed with leukemias and lymphomas? And again the success rate is only 80%, which means that 20% of those millions will still die. Yes, that is a lot of people. Not a difficult concept for an intelligent person to grasp!!!

            By the way bone marrow transplants do not have a high success rate, especially since they don’t address the viral origins of these cancers.

            Maria Lozada: “My uncle had colon cancer. ”

            And your point? Colon cancer if caught early is very curable since they can simply cut out the cancerous tissue then do chemo to target any potentially metastasized cells.

            I noticed you left out details such as level of advancement, how long he has supposedly been cancer free, etc. Therefore, we do not even know if the cancer was caught very early or if he passed the 5 year mark required to even claim a cure. Having left those details out makes it appear you are deliberately trying to mislead people.

            Maria Lozada: “For the record it’s not antivirals it’s retrovirals and they’re for viruses like the name implies not for cancer which an autoimmune disease from one’s own cells.”

            For the record this proves 100% that you don’t have the faintest clue of what you are talking about.

            First of all my terminology was absolutely correct. If you knew anything about medicine then you would have known that not all cancer causing viruses are retroviruses.

            Secondly, drugs used to target retroviruses such as the cancer co-factor HIV virus, formerly known as the human T-cell leukemia/lymphoma virus type 3, do not destroy the viruses. They are used to inhibit replication. And they are referred to as anti-retorvirals, not retrovirals as you incorrectly claim. Since most of the viruses that cause cancer are not retoroviruses anti-retrovirals are not going to do squat for these viruses.

            As for your claim that cancer is autoimmune, where do you come up with this crap?!!!! Do you even have a clue what an autoimmune condition is? Autoimmunity is the result of a suppression of the immune system due to adrenal gland dysfunction. Since the adrenals regulate the production of high affinity (specific) antibodies vs low affinity (nonspecific) antibodies the dysfunction of the adrenals leads to the overproduction of low affinity antibodies that can can tag tissues and other things for destruction by the remainder of the immune system doing its job just as it is designed to do. There is a lot more involved that I will not get in to due to space limitations. In autoimmune conditions though tissues are destroyed by the immune system. This IS NOT the case in cancer since cancer is not even close to being an autoimmune condition as you falsely imply.

            • More ozone references for cancer:

              Int J Cancer. 2008 May 15;122(10):2360-7. doi: 10.1002/ijc.23382.
              Treatment with ozone/oxygen-pneumoperitoneum results in complete remission of rabbit squamous cell carcinomas.
              Schulz S1, Häussler U, Mandic R, Heverhagen JT, Neubauer A, Dünne AA, Werner JA, Weihe E, Bette M.
              Author information
              Abstract
              Head and neck squamous cell carcinomas (HNSCC) represent a group of metastasizing tumors with a high mortality rate in man and animals. Since the biomolecule ozone was found to inhibit growth of various carcinoma cells in vitro we here applied the highly aggressive and lethal VX2 carcinoma HNSCC tumor model of the New Zealand White rabbit to test whether ozone exerts antitumorous effects in vivo. Therapeutic insufflation of medical ozone/oxygen (O(3)/O(2)) gas mixture into the peritoneum (O(3)/O(2)-pneumoperitoneum) at an advanced stage of tumor disease led to a survival rate of 7/14 rabbits. Six of the seven surviving rabbits presented full tumor regression and the absence of local or distant lung metastases. Insufflation of pure oxygen (O(2)) resulted in a survival rate of 3/13 animals accompanied by full tumor remission in 2 of the 3 surviving animals. Of the 14 sham-treated animals only 1 had spontaneous tumor remission and survived. No adverse effects or changes in standard blood parameters were observed after repeated intraperitoneal insufflations of the O(3)/O(2) or O(2) gas. Animals with O(3)/O(2)-induced tumor eradication developed tolerance against reimplantation of the VX2 tumor. This could be reversed by immune suppression with a combination of dexamethasone and cyclosporin A suggesting an antitumorous effect of O(3)/O(2)-mediated activation of the body’s own immunosurveillance. Although the exact mechanisms of action are still unclear the present data point to O(3)/O(2)-pneumoperitoneum as a promising new strategy in anticancer therapy.

              Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine
              Volume 1 (2004), Issue 3, Pages 321-325
              http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ecam/neh038

              Original Article
              Adjuvant Ozonetherapy in Advanced Head and Neck Tumors: A Comparative Study
              Bernardino Clavo,1,7 Ana Ruiz,1,7 Marta Lloret,1,7 Laura López,1,7 Gerardo Suárez,1,7 David Macías,2,7 Victor Rodríguez,6 Maria A. Hernández,1,7 Roberto Martín-Oliva,2 Santiago Quintero,3 José M. Cuyás,4 and Francisco Robaina5,7
              1Department of Radiation Oncology-Research Unit, Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              2Department of Medical Physics, Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              3Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              4Department of Otolaryngology, Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              5Department of Neurosurgery and Chronic Pain Unit of the Dr Negrín Hospital, Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              6La Paterna Medical Center Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              7Canary Islands Institute for Cancer Research (ICIC), Las Palmas, Canary Islands, Spain
              Received 13 March 2004; Accepted 20 August 2004
              Copyright © 2004 Bernardino Clavo et al. This is an open access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.
              Abstract
              Advanced head and neck (H&N) tumors have a poor prognosis, and this is worsened by the occurrence of hypoxia and ischemia in the tumors. Ozonetherapy has proved useful in the treatment of ischemic syndromes, and several studies have described a potential increase of oxygenation in tissues and tumors. The aim of this prospective study was to evaluate the clinical effect of ozonetherapy in patients with advanced H&N cancer in the course of their scheduled radiotherapy. Over a period of 3 years, 19 patients with advanced H&N tumors who were undergoing treatment in our department with non-standard fractionated radiotherapy plus oral tegafur. A group of 12 patients was additionally treated with intravenous chemotherapy before and/or during radiotherapy. In the other group of seven patients, systemic ozonetherapy was administered twice weekly during radiotherapy. The ozonetherapy group was older (64 versus 54 years old, P = 0.006), with a higher percentage of lymph node involvement (71% versus 8%, P = 0.019) and with a trend to more unfavorable tumor stage (57% versus 8% IVb + IVc stages, P = 0.073). However, there was no significant difference in overall survival between the chemotherapy (median 6 months) and ozonetherapy (8 months) groups. Although these results have to be viewed with caution because of the limited number of patients, they suggest that ozonetherapy could have had some positive effect during the treatment of our patients with advanced H&N tumors. The adjuvant administration of ozonetherapy during the chemo–radiotherapy for these tumors merits further research.
              Full article and citing articles available- http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2004/581750/abs/

              Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine
              Volume 1 (2004), Issue 1, Pages 93-98
              http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ecam/neh009

              Original Article
              Ozone Therapy for Tumor Oxygenation: a Pilot Study
              Bernardino Clavo,1,5 Juan L. Pérez,2,5 Laura López,1,5 Gerardo Suárez,1,5 Marta Lloret,1,5 Victor Rodríguez,3 David Macías,2,5 Maite Santana,1,5 María A. Hernández,1 Roberto Martín-Oliva,2 and Francisco Robaina4,5
              1Radiation Oncology and Research Unit, Las Palmas (Canary Islands), Spain
              2Medical Physics, Las Palmas (Canary Islands), Spain
              3La Paterna Medical Center, Las Palmas (Canary Islands), Spain
              4Chronic Pain Unit, Dr Negrín Hospital, Las Palmas (Canary Islands), Spain
              5Canary Islands Institute for Cancer Research (ICIC), Las Palmas (Canary Islands), Spain
              Received 17 November 2003; Accepted 4 February 2004
              Copyright © 2004 Bernardino Clavo et al. This is an open access article distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.
              Abstract
              Tumor hypoxia is an adverse factor for chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Ozone therapy is a non-conventional form of medicine that has been used successfully in the treatment of ischemic disorders. This prospective study was designed to assess the effect of ozone therapy on tumor oxygenation. Eighteen subjects were recruited for the study. Systemic ozone therapy was administered by autohemotransfusion on three alternate days over one week. Tumor oxygenation levels were measured using polarographic needle probes before and after the first and the third ozone therapy session. Overall, no statistically significant change was observed in the tumor oxygenation in the 18 patients. However, a significant decrease was observed in hypoxic values ≤10 and ≤5 mmHg of pO2. When individually assessed, a significant and inverse non-linear correlation was observed between increase in oxygenation and the initial tumor pO2 values at each measuring time-point, thus indicating that the more poorly-oxygenated tumors benefited most (rho = −0.725; P = 0.001). Additionally, the effect of ozone therapy was found to be lower in patients with higher hemoglobin concentrations (rho = −0.531; P < 0.034). Despite being administered over a very short period, ozone therapy improved oxygenation in the most hypoxic tumors. Ozone therapy as adjuvant in chemo-radiotherapy warrants further research.
              Full article and citing articles available- http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2004/437019/citations/

              Mediators Inflamm. 1998;7(5):313-7.
              Studies on the biological effects of ozone: 8. Effects on the total antioxidant status and on interleukin-8 production.
              Bocci V1, Valacchi G, Corradeschi F, Fanetti G.
              Author information
              Abstract
              Ozone (O3) is a controversial gas because, owing to its potent oxidant properties, it exerts damaging effects on the respiratory tract and yet it has been used for four decades as a therapy. While the disinfectant activity of O3 is understandable, it is less clear how other biological effects can be elicited in human blood with practically no toxicity. On the other hand plasma and cells are endowed with a powerful antioxidant system so that a fairly wide range of O3 concentrations between 40 and 80 microg/ml per gram of blood (approximately 0.83-1.66 mM) are effective but not deleterious. After blood ozonation total antioxidant status (TAS) and plasma protein thiol groups (PTG) decrease by 20% and 25%, respectively, while thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS) increases up to five-fold. The increase of haemolysis is negligible suggesting that the erythrocyte membrane is spared at the expense of other sacrificial substrates. While there is a clear relationship between the ozone dose and IL-8 levels, we have noticed that high TAS and PTG values inhibit the cytokine production. This is in line with the current idea that hydrogen peroxide, as a byproduct of O3 decomposition, acts as a messenger for the cytokine induction.
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              • Even more references for ozone therapy for cancer:

                J Biol Regul Homeost Agents. 1998 Jul-Sep;12(3):67-75.
                Studies on the biological effects of ozone: 7. Generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) after exposure of human blood to ozone.
                Bocci V1, Valacchi G, Corradeschi F, Aldinucci C, Silvestri S, Paccagnini E, Gerli R.
                Author information
                Abstract
                The acceptance of any complementary medical approach is conditioned by the results obtained after the same scientific scrutiny applied in orthodox medicine. Otherwise any claim of efficacy remains in the realm of fiction. In the case of ozone therapy, the mechanisms of action have remained nebulous and in a series of publications we are trying to present the biochemical, immunological and morphological evidence in favour or against ozone therapy. We have now shown that ozone (O3) dissolved in the water of either plasma or serum or physiological saline generates reactive oxygen species (ROS), of which hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) can be unequivocally demonstrated by using specific methods for its detection. Lipids present in plasma preferentially those present in lipoproteins, undergo peroxidation that is somewhat O3-dose dependent and can be observed by the measurement of thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS). While the generation of H2O2 is crucial in activating both biochemical (hexose monophosphate shunt) and immunological (via the transcription factor NF-kB) mechanisms, the role of lipid oxidation products (LOP) remains to be investigated. We have shown here that there is a small but consistent induction of some cytokines (TNF-alpha, IFN-gamma and IL-2) when human blood is directly exposed to O3 concentrations up to 100 micrograms/ml per g of blood. On the other hand, isolated blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) in tissue culture medium are far more sensitive to the oxidant action of O3 as shown by a progressive reduction of the proliferation index with comparatively far lower O3, concentrations. On the whole, these results support the concept that much of the O3 toxicity is neutralized by the powerful antioxidant system of blood. The minimal hemolysis supports this idea but as far as platelets are concerned, we must mention that they tend to aggregate in heparinized blood, even when it is exposed to an O3 concentration of 40 micrograms/ml. In spite of the lack of side-effects after autohemotherapy, this drawback must be kept in mind and avoided in clinical practice.

                Oxygen-ozone therapy in medicine: an update
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752…00m,isrctn

                Does ozone therapy normalize the cellular redox balance? Implications for therapy of human immunodeficiency virus infection and several other diseases.
                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8692040

                Mediators Inflamm. 2004 Dec;13(5-6):307-12.
                Reversion by ozone treatment of acute nephrotoxicity induced by cisplatin in rats.
                González R1, Borrego A, Zamora Z, Romay C, Hernández F, Menéndez S, Montero T, Rojas E.
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                Abstract
                BACKGROUND:
                Ozone therapy has become a useful treatment for pathological processes, in which the damage mediated by reactive oxygen species is involved. Several lines of evidence suggest that cisplatin-induced acute nephrotoxicity is partially mediated by reactive oxygen species
                AIMS:
                To analyze the effect of ozone administration after cisplatin-induced acute nephrotoxicity.
                METHODS:
                Male Sprague-Dawley rats were treated with five intra-rectal applications of ozone/oxygen mixture at 0.36, 1.1 and 1.8 mg/kg after cisplatin intraperitoneal injection (6 mg/kg). Serum and kidneys were taken off 5 days after cisplatin treatment. Creatinine was measured in the serum and the activities of antioxidant enzymes and thiobarbituric acid reactive substances and glutathione content were analyzed in renal homogenate.
                RESULTS:
                Ozone treatment diminished the increase in serum creatinine levels, the glutathione depletion and also reversed the inhibition of superoxide dismutase, catalase and glutathione peroxidase activities induced by cisplatin in the rat kidney. Also, the renal content of thiobarbituric reactive substances was decreased by ozone/oxygen mixture applied after cisplatin.
                CONCLUSION:
                Intrarectal applications of ozone reversed the renal pro-oxidant unbalance induced by cisplatin treatment by the way of stimulation to some constituents of antioxidant system in the kidney, and thereby it decreased the renal damage.
                Free PMC Article

                Mediators Inflamm. 2004 Feb;13(1):13-9.
                Protection by ozone preconditioning is mediated by the antioxidant system in cisplatin-induced nephrotoxicity in rats.
                Borrego A1, Zamora ZB, González R, Romay C, Menéndez S, Hernández F, Montero T, Rojas E.
                Author information
                Abstract
                BACKGROUND:
                Acute renal failure is a dose-limiting factor of cisplatin chemotherapy. Here, we show the protective effect of ozone oxidative preconditioning against cisplatin-induced renal dysfunction in rats. Ozone oxidative preconditioning is a prophylactic approach, which favors the antioxidant-pro-oxidant balance for preservation of the cell redox state by increasing antioxidant endogenous systems in various in vivo and in vitro experimental models.
                AIMS:
                To analyze the protective role of ozone oxidative preconditioning against cisplatin-induced nephrotoxicity.
                METHODS:
                Male Sprague-Dawley rats were pretreated with 15 intrarectal applications of ozone/oxygen mixture at 0.36, 0.72, 1.1, 1.8 and 2.5 mg/kg before cisplatin intraperitoneal injection (6 mg/kg). Serum and kidneys were extracted and analyzed 5 days after cisplatin treatment for determinations of the renal content of glutathione, thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances, renal concentration and enzymatic activities of catalase, superoxide dismutase and glutathione peroxidase.
                RESULTS:
                Ozone pretreatment prevented the increase in serum creatinine levels, the glutathione depletion and the inhibition of superoxide dismutase, catalase and glutathione peroxidase activities induced by cisplatin in the rat kidney. Also, the renal content of thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances was decreased by ozone therapy. These protective effects of ozone were dose dependent.
                CONCLUSIONS:
                Intrarectal ozone therapy prevented effectively the renal antioxidant unbalance induced by cisplatin treatment.
                Free PMC Article

                Sultan Qaboos Univ Med J. 2014 Aug;14(3):e342-8. Epub 2014 Jul 24.
                Ozone-Oxidative Preconditioning Prevents Doxorubicin-induced Cardiotoxicity in Sprague-Dawley Rats.
                Delgado-Roche L1, Hernández-Matos Y1, Medina EA1, Morejón DÁ1, González MR2, Martínez-Sánchez G3.
                Author information
                Abstract
                OBJECTIVES:
                Induced dilated cardiomyopathy is the main limitation of the anti-cancer drug doxorubicin, which causes oxidative stress and cardiomyocyte death. As ozone therapy can activate the antioxidant systems, this study aimed to investigate the therapeutic efficacy of ozone-oxidative preconditioning against doxorubicin-induced cardiotoxicity.
                METHODS:
                The study was carried out from September 2013 to January 2014. Sprague-Dawley rats were randomly distributed in the following treatment groups: Group 1 were treated with 2 mg/kg intraperitoneal (i.p.) of doxorubicin twice a week for 50 days; Group 2 were treated with 0.3 mg of ozone/oxygen mixture at 50 μg/mL of ozone per 6 mL of oxygen by rectal insufflation and then treated with doxorubicin; Group 3 were treated as Group 2 but only with the oxygen, and Group 4 were treated with oxygen first, and then with sodium chloride i.p. as the control group.
                RESULTS:
                The results showed that ozone therapy preserved left ventricle morphology which was accompanied by a reduction of serum pro-brain natriuretic peptide levels. The cardioprotective effects of ozone-oxidative preconditioning were associated with a significant increase (P <0.05) of antioxidant enzymes activities and a reduction of lipid and protein oxidation (P <0.05).
                CONCLUSION:
                Ozone-oxidative preconditioning prevents doxorubicin-induced dilated cardiomyopathy through an increase of antioxidant enzymes and a reduction of oxidised macromolecules. This establishes the background for future studies to determine if ozone therapy can be used as a complementary treatment for attenuating doxorubicin-induced cardiotoxicity in cancer patients.
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                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312702/

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8692040/

                http://www.aepromo.org/en/Scientific_papers.php

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1781866/

                http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19260079

                http://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2004/594205/abs/

                • James…thank you for all of your thoughtful and thought provoking replies. I cannot tell you what a breath of fresh air your views are…..I agree with many of them and tout the very things you say to my clients and students, but do not always understand all of the science. You explain it beautifully, so thank you. (RE: your take on vaccination, cancer, etc)

                  My question for you is what is your opinion of internal use of colloidal silver? I asked this question on your medcapules site, but have not gotten a reply and see you are very active on this site. I treat many with Lyme Dis-ease (I am an herbalist) and have an online page (on Facebook) with people commenting all the time about colloidal silver and how ‘it is the only thing that helps’.

                  This is my opinion: I do not like it and think it is mostly hype. Topical use has been documented as useful and effective, but internal use is being touted as not only safe, but better and safer than antibiotics. Seems to me there is a bit of cognitive dissonance going on with this mind-set…..don’t use antibiotics, but use silver instead….which can kill good and bad micro-organisms……it seems to me it does not discriminate any better than antibiotics. Many with Lyme use it and some even admit to using it daily!! I say, if you have to use it daily, it isn’t working…..my gut tells me this stuff can and does accumulate in the body. I understand it is used to treat water and medical devices and such and that many of us have quite a bit of silver already accumulated in our bodies…..but I would love to hear what you have to say about this subject. Thanks in advance.

                • Hi Sara,

                  You are correct to be skeptical about colloidal silver. I have never been a big fan of it for several reasons.

                  First of all it costs less that $0.50 a gallon to make yet when it first became popular on the market it was being sold for about $60 an ounce, which works out to $7,680 a gallon. Price gouging is supposed to be illegal and regardless is highly unethical. If the people are making this stuff are that unethical why would I trust anything they have to say about the product?

                  There is also so much sales hype surrounding colloidal silver.

                  The funniest one I ever heard was someone trying to convince me that they had the smallest silver particles on the market being smaller than the silver atom!!! Amazing what people will fall for.

                  Then they claim that no microbe has ever built up a tolerance to silver, which is also false. I found studies on PubMed discussing pathogenic bacterial resistance to silver.

                  By their same argument as well then they wold also have to admit that the silver is toxic to our beneficial bacteria.

                  As for build up of silver in the tissues you are correct. Silver will build up in the tissues, but to build up to a level that would lead to argyria would be next to impossible for most commercial colloidal silvers since they contain virtually no silver in them.

                  The risk of argyria is more of a risk with homemade silver products, especially the units using 9 volt batteries since these do not produce sufficient power to produce a really true colloid. These solutions will settle out with a gray mud after a short time since they are not true colloids. These larger particles trap easier in the tissues.

                  Other problem with many colloidal silver solutions is that during their making people will sometimes add salt to get the electrical process going. This can lead to the formation of larger silver salts. And I have also seen products on the market using gelatin as a protein stabilizer. True colloids do not require stabilizers.

                  Basically manufacturing became a big free for all of people, most of which did not have the faintest clue of what they were doing.

                  I have made my own about 20 years ago but used it externally with high voltage through a neon tube to help stimulate the regrowth of what was left of the last digit of my thumb after a table saw accident. It took 6 months but it worked and I grew the whole end back. From what I was able to figure out is that it was not the silver stimulating the regrowth but rather the silver merely increased conductance for the electricity that stimulated the regrowth. I just don’t recommend it internally. There are numerous better choices than silver for various infections.

                • Hi James…..thank you. Just a couple more questions…..What are you thoughts regarding the accumulation of this metal in the body causing other issues besides argyria? Our environment contains so much metal already (mercury & lead for example) do you think silver could accumulate and be as dangerous as these (although I realize that lead and mercury act differently in the body in terms of toxicity) but cause a cumulative affect in terms of reducing liver function and other bodily functions? When researching, I found issues with oxidation of the silver particles in the body (on PubMed) but what about long term affects, which seems to be lacking in the research. I can find tons of info on argyria, but what about all these metals in our bodies causing things like cancer, autoimmune dis-eases, Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s…..many of these diseases show a clear connection to liver function….in particular the pathway that requires P450 enzymes. Can the accumulation of metals affect the bodies ability function properly, specifically liver detox? Also, is it even possible to really detox the body of metals? Does chelation really work? thanks again.

                • Hi Sara,

                  “What are you thoughts regarding the accumulation of this metal in the body causing other issues besides argyria?”

                  Silver can accumulate in the tissues, but it generally does this as silver salts. I have seen cases, such a s Rosemary Jacobs, where colloidal silver was blamed for her argyria. Although the argyria was really from the use of pharmaceutical silver salts.

                  Argyria from true colloidal silver would be next to impossible as again most commercial colloidal silvers contain very little silver and are not in silver salt form.

                  There is a risk with some of the homemade units that utilize 9 volt batteries. These do not have the power to form true colloid and produce much larger particles of silver.

                  “Our environment contains so much metal already (mercury & lead for example) do you think silver could accumulate and be as dangerous as these (although I realize that lead and mercury act differently in the body in terms of toxicity) but cause a cumulative affect in terms of reducing liver function and other bodily functions? ”

                  I have never seen any evidence of silver being toxic per se or causing any dangerous diseases. Just the risk of argyria.

                  “Can the accumulation of metals affect the bodies ability function properly, specifically liver detox? ”

                  Silver? Not likely. Some other metals though can be toxic. But this has variable such as the form of the metal. Hexavalent chromium for example is highly toxic and carcinogenic as where trivalent chromium is essential to health. Organic germanium is very beneficial to the body and a great cancer fighter as where germanium dioxide or elemental germanium will cause kidney failure.

                  Different metals can also affect different parts of the body. Lead and uranium for example can accumulate in bones. Mercury has a high affinity for brain tissue. Cesium chloride can lead to heart and liver problems.

                  So there is no simple answer to your question.

                  “Also, is it even possible to really detox the body of metals? Does chelation really work?”

                  There are ways to remove metals from the body. These include binding with the metals so they can be removed or displacement. Again, it depends on the metal.

                  Chelation can remove metals, but this also includes beneficial ones like calcium and magnesium.

                  I prefer binding heavy metals with phytates from grains, pectins from fruits and vegetables and algins from seaweeds.

                  Silica can help displace lead from bone and more reactive metals like potassium, sodium and calcium can help displace a lot of heavy metals.

                  The herb amla berry can help protect DNA from heavy metal damage during detoxing of heavy metals.

                  James

            • First I used my uncle as an example to say chemo can work in cancers that are not easy because he is elderly and was around 70 when he got cancer. He has been more than five years without cancer.
              Second, if there is a better treatment for cancer than chemo that is great, it should be made widely available. But you’re ignoring that for many years chemo was the best option since better methods are relatively new.
              If I got some terminology wrong I am sorry but I still don’t believe medical techniques should be vilified when they’ve represented the best option for so many people for so long. We should find better alternatives but we can’t condemn what we already have wholesale.

              • Maria Lozada: “First I used my uncle as an example to say chemo can work in cancers that are not easy because he is elderly and was around 70 when he got cancer. He has been more than five years without cancer.”

                And again, colon cancer can often be treated with surgery. So how is this scientific proof of the effectiveness of chemo? Hint, it ISN’T!!!!

                And again, you are leaving out various import facts such as the stage of the cancer, which is indicative of someone trying to mislead people.

                Maria Lozada: “Second, if there is a better treatment for cancer than chemo that is great, it should be made widely available. ”

                I totally agree, but that is not the way things work in the real world. Government is run by big business who basically tells the government what they are going to do.

                Look at the complete farce known as Obamacare, which did nothing but to help the insurance companies financially and who lobbied for the change.

                Obamacare raised insurance costs and gave outrageous deductibles to prevent most people from even using the insurance in most cases.

                Then there are other problems such as there was a lady locally who found out that she was not covered for her breast cancer under Obamacare.

                Then there is the FDA, who is in bed with and caters to the pharmaceutical industry.

                For example, remember a few years back when the FDA was caught approving untested drugs in exchange for payoffs? Then the FDA targeted the whistle-blower also in violation of the law. Yet not one FDA official spent even one day in jail for the multiple violations of the law.

                That is just one example of many illegal activities by the FDA to protect pharmaceutical profits. In fact, ex-Commissioner for the FDA Herbert Ley testified before Congress that the FDA was using governmental police powers to protect the profits of the pharmaceutical companies and in turn the FDA officials were being rewarded by the pharmaceutical companies with money, and gifts including high level positions within the drug companies. In fact, have you ever looked in to how many FDA officials have gone to work in high level positions within the drug companies after pushing for approval of drugs that were later proven to be worthless or more dangerous than the public was told?

                And then there is the fact that it has been reported for over 4 decades that there are over 150 FDA officials that own stock in the same pharmaceutical companies they oversee in direct violation of insider trading laws. Yet once again nothing has ever been done about this illegality and not a single FDA official has ever gone to jail over it.

                Also did you know that the FDA was Court ordered in 1969 to remove 710 FDA approved prescription drugs from the market because they were found to be ineffective or too dangerous for human use. The FDA found a loophole and left all the drugs on the market. Furthermore, many of these worthless or dangerous drugs have since been changed to over the counter from prescription only. This includes dextromethorphan (DM), which is used in cough medicines and was shown in multiple studies to be no more effective than placebo.

                Along the same lines let’s see how smart you really are. Can you answer this question? What is the PRIMARY cause of AIDS? Hint, it is not HIV. In fact, under the original definition of AIDS HIV CANNOT cause AIDS. Due to this fact the definition of AIDS was changed in the early 80s to fit the HIV virus after one of the government’s top scientists, Robert Gallo, who had already been busted for scientific fraud lied to the world that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Gallo did this for financial reasons since he held the patent rights on the highly inaccurate HIV antibody test. Still he was gong to majorly embarrass the government again so the only way the US government could prevent this was to change the definition of AIDS to fit the HIV virus.

                The reason I bring all this up is that medicine is driven by big business, which is about profits.

                When I first started in to cancer research 36 years ago what really caught my attention was the fact that I found cure after cure for cancer that has the research backing their effectiveness yet the FDA was banning every single one of them. In fact, if you look in to it you will also find the same exact thing with AIDS therapies that have been shown to be effective such as hyperthermia and ozone. In both cases despite positive results in initial testing the FDA blocked all further testing stating there was no evidence of effectiveness. Of course this was a lie and further research would have only solidified that fact and thus these therapies were illegally “banned” by the FDA to protect pharmaceutical profits.

                The more banned cures I found the more intrigued I became and the more I started researching FDA and pharmaceutical corruption. For example, the JAMA report and other sources showing the drug companies dropping patients who died or did not respond to chemotherapy drugs from the final results to make the worthless chemotherapy drugs appear effective. A practice still going on to this day.

                As an example they were doing a documentary on the development of a new anti-angiogenesis drug derived from rat urine. In the documentary they followed three participants. One died during trials, who I am sure was dropped from the study especially considering the fact that a second participant was dropped citing his “tumor grew beyond the parameters of the study”. In other words the drug failed to stop or slow the growth so they simply eliminated that participant from the study to make the drug appear more effective than it really was.

                As long as medicine is dominated by a make a profit attitude instead of a cure the patient attitude effective cancer therapies for cancers in general are not going to reach the market.

                In fact, imagine what would happen to the economy. It has been said that if an effective general cancer cure were to come on the market every single medical school in the nation would go under due to the loss of research grants. And look at the losses to cancer associations like the highly corrupt American Cancer Society (ACS), who receives over $4 billion in donations. Yet they have never come up with a single advancement in cancer treatment, but have been associated with the blackballing of researchers who do come up with effective cures.

                As another example I used to post on the American Leukemia and Lymphoma Society message board. That was until I was banned for providing proof that these cancers were viral induced. One of their other posters was being sarcastic telling me to tell his doctor that since his doctor had never heard of leukemia or lymphoma viruses. So I told him he needs to find a new doctor since leukemia and lymphoma viruses, such as HIV (human T-cell leukemia/lymphoma virus type 3), have been well known for about 25 years. Then I proceeded to post numerous medical journal abstracts about the various known human leukemia and lymphoma causing viruses. I was immediately banned from the message board and all of my posts were erased while all the posts calling me a quack, which were in clear violation of their posting rules were left up. The problem is that if they admitted that leukemias and lymphomas were primarily viral in origin then they would also have to admit the cures already exist since we have numerous pharmaceutical and herbal antivirals that are highly effective in treating leukemias and lymphomas and thus there is NO reason for the American Leukemia and Lymphoma Society to exist. Therefore, they had to get rid of me and my posts before people started to catch on to what a major scam they had going.

                Do you really think these societies such as the ACS, American Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, Susan G Komen, etc. really want a cure when it means they will no longer exist either?

                I also find it very interesting when a German ozone doctor was bring interviewed he mentioned how many members of groups such as the National Cancer Institute and their families were coming to Germany for ozone treatments and even mentioned a US president that had come over. Why would these people be going clear to Germany for ozone therapy if things like chemotherapy have really been proven to be that effective?

                Maria Lozada: “But you’re ignoring that for many years chemo was the best option since better methods are relatively new.”

                You are assuming a lot again.

                First of all ozone therapy, which is significantly better than chemotherapy or ozone therapy has been around since 1892. Thus it is far from “relatively new”. Same with herbs that have a very long history of being used to cure cancer that were around long before ozone therapy. Modern research is proving the effectiveness of these herbs all the time. Try looking at PubMed and you will find all sorts of studies showing the effectiveness of various herbs for cancer.

                Speaking of ozone being around for so long this brings up another point. Did you know that ozone therapy is perfectly legal to use? According to the law any therapy in use prior to the induction of the FDA (1909) that shows no unreasonable risk to human safety has a grandfathered approval status. This ozone and most herbs used in medicine have grandfathered approval status and thus are LEGAL to use.

                Yet the FDA has arrested people and immediately seizes their bank accounts illegally for performing ozone therapy. They seize bank accounts without due process in violation of constitutional law to prevent the people from hiring good attorneys to challenge the FDA’s completely illegal activity.

                And why is the FDA once again outright breaking the law and violating people’s rights? To protect the profits of the drug companies and thus their own cash, gift and high level job source.

                Maria Lozada: “We should find better alternatives but we can’t condemn what we already have wholesale.”

                We don’t need to look for better alternatives, they already exist. And they are cheaper and more effective than chemotherapy or radiation therapy.

                For example, an ozone setup can be purchased for less than $1,000 and each treatment uses about $0.05 worth of oxygen and electricity while actually getting rid of the cancer and its cause preventing recurrence. Compare that to the over $100,000 for chemo and radiation treatments that are carcinogenic, generally have low success rates and do not address the cause of the cancer. On top of that there is the cost of more treatment when the cancer comes back or secondary treatment induced cancers occur, which is VERY common for chemotherapy and radiation therapy. By definition this makes chemotherapy and radiation therapy quackery.

        • James, if you are going to comment, please check your facts. I’m not going to pull you up on ALL the rubbish that you’re writing, as there’s way too much. But I will comment on one thing that I have personal knowledge of. You say about chemo:

          “Yes, it works SOMETIMES, especially on easy to treat cancers such as leulkemias and lymphomas that have an 80% success rate by the use of the antiviral drugs Vincristine and Vinblastine derived from the plant Madagascar periwinkle.”

          Well I had acute myeloid leukaemia 6 years ago and they don’t use antiviral drugs for it. I had a combination of Idorubicin, cytarabine and ectoposide. The only antivirals that they use aren’t for chemotherapy but to prevent viral infections after chemo! And trust me, leukaemia and lymphoma are NOT easy diseases to treat. I had 3 rounds of chemo, went into remission and then relapsed 6 months later. I had another 3 rounds of chemo and a bone marrow transplant.

          Please don’t comment on things you know nothing about. Your ranting could cost lives if it affects decisions on vaccination, in particular! If you must comment, at least get your facts from a reputable source!

          • Jenny Graves: “James, if you are going to comment, please check your facts. I’m not going to pull you up on ALL the rubbish that you’re writing, as there’s way too much.”

            Tell you what. If you are going to attempt to argue I suggest you actually learn something about medicine first.

            Secondly, it is a major pet peeve of mine when people who don’t have the faintest clue what they are talking about try to claim someone else is wrong without providing any real evidence to back their claims. People do this when they are clueless to the subject so they throw out the claim the other person is saying rubbish in the vain hopes that other clueless people will also think this because they are too lazy to check the facts as well.

            Jenny Graves: “Well I had acute myeloid leukaemia 6 years ago and they don’t use antiviral drugs for it. I had a combination of Idorubicin, cytarabine and ectoposide.”

            Again, if you want to argue medicine learn something about medicine first.

            Idorubicin has antiviral properties!!!! See:

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3344904/

            By the way this drugs is also highly toxic to the heart, liver and kidneys.

            Cytarabine also has antiviral effects:

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10639751

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC444574/

            http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/drug-database-site/Drug%20Index/Cytarabine_monograph_1May2014.pdf

            Ectoposide also has antiviral properties against cancer viruses:

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10571395

            Ectoposide is also a plant derived antiviral compound being derived from the antiviral podophyllotoxin. I found some research on podophyllotoxin several decades that were reported in JAMA and JACS stating in the 1950s. The reports found that podophyllotoxin, initially derived from mandrake and later from savin junipers was found to be “highly effective against 6 forms of cancer including breast cancer”. Of course naturally occurring substances are not as profitable sue to patent issues so the drug never came to market. It was not until 50 years later and countless deaths from these curable cancers that the University of North Carolina altered the podophyllotoxin to make the patentable semi-synthetic drug that was used on you.

            Podophyllotoxin has a very long history of being used as an antiviral and anticancer agent in holistic medicine.

            So what was it you were claiming to have “personal knowledge of”?

            Jenny Graves: “The only antivirals that they use aren’t for chemotherapy but to prevent viral infections after chemo!”

            Of course that myth has already been disproven.

            As further proof though I mentioned Vincristine and Vinblastine earlier, which are also used to treat leukemias and lymphomas. And as I pointed out these are also antiviral drugs as well.

            Unlike you I have a very extensive medical background and spend a considerable amount of time researching medical journals. So unlike you I am not guessing at things or simply making things up to sound like I know what I am talking about. Therefore, if you wan to argue with me you better come up with some serious evidence to back your claims

            Jenny Graves: “And trust me, leukaemia and lymphoma are NOT easy diseases to treat.”

            What I was referring to was the higher success rate of treatment for leukemias and lymphomas compared to most other cancers. The treatment success rate for leukemias and lymphomas is about 80%. Compare that to liver, pancreatic, small cell lung carcinoma, etc., which generally have under a 3% treatment success rate.

            Does this mean all cases of leukemia and lymphoma will be successfully cured? Not at all.

            Jenny Graves: “Please don’t comment on things you know nothing about. Your ranting could cost lives if it affects decisions on vaccination, in particular! If you must comment, at least get your facts from a reputable source!”

            Look in the mirror then repeat that statement to yourself because it is EXTREMELY clear that you don’t know near as much on this subject as you think you do!!!

        • One place where I agree with you James. Vaccines are no longer treated like the drugs that they really are. A PR war has been won, and we no longer need to look at each individual one? Its a vaccine, therefore it has to be good! And we’ve set up a perverse legal system for it where the same people who brought us all these drugs that have been recalled and sued for, can’t be sued for bringing crappy subpar vaccines. Get your flu shots!(ahem in the insert your doctor throws away, no double blind studies have found this to be effective..hush hush blah blah).

  36. I love your stuff, but can you please stop inhibiting science literacy by using the word “theory” to describe things that are not theories? I know you’re using it in the vernacular, but still. It’s not helping the cause of real science.
    Here’s a nice definition from James Krupa, “a theory is a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence generating testable and falsifiable predictions.”

  37. Hello James,
    I was having a lot of UTI’s last year, I am 67 years old, I read about d-mannose, the last UTI I had was 3 months after the last UTI, I immediately started taking the d-mannose 5 times per day and started to get relief in about 6 hrs. I did that for about 5 days, that was 10 months ago, I now take d-mannose with a week cup of week coffee in the morning, which I can’t seem to give up, if my urine has an unusual smell to it I may take another d mannose during the day. The D-mannose has been a life saver since no one wants to take antibiotics every 3 months. ..but I also suffer from incontinence, I use to take a lot of vit c, but I noticed it seem to make my incontinence worse, ..I do take DHEA in very small amounts, 6 mlg, by accident one day i took 12 mlg but noticed my incontinence had improved. the new DHEA is the one that is supposedly non hormonal. 7 keto DHEA, but I would be taking it for a long time, (not sure if it is safe to take the 12 mlg) do you have any knowledge about this nutrient? Thank you…Pat

    • Hi Patricia,

      D-mannose is great for UTIs. It does not kill the bacteria causing the infection but rather prevents the adherence if bacteria to the urinary tract walls. Just like real cranberry juice or blueberry juice does.

      I also like the herbs uva ursi or manzanita leaves, which actually kill the bacteria. These plants contain aglycones, consisting of an antiseptic hydroquinone bound to a glucose molecule. Uva ursi contains 2 while manzanita leaves contain 16. These aglycones remain intact until they reach the kidneys then the aglycone is split releasing the antiseptic hydroquinones in to the urinary tract. This kills the bacteria in the urinary tract without affecting other parts of the body like conventional antibiotics do and thus these herbs do not cause secondary infections like pharmaceutical antibiotics.

      Taking the herbs with some calcium citrate will enhance the effects by further alkalizing the urine since the hydroquinones work best in an alkaline environment.

      Synthetic vitamin C does give some people urinary tract problems. Possibly from the oxalic acid it can form. I knew one lady that always got urinary tract infections when she took even small amounts of synthetic vitamin C.

      I have not really looked much in to 7 keto DHEA since I don’t like fooling with isolated hormonal substances. I know that this is not supposed to directly convert in to testosterone, which could then be converted in to estrogen by aromatase. But it does convert in to DHEA-S, which can explain the androgenic effects of 7 keto DHEA.

      James

    • I can only comment that I am seeing a holistic dietician that supports intermittent short (24-48 hr.) fasts. I have fasted several times for 24 hrs and experienced a feeling of well being afterwards.

    • Hi B,

      There are various levels of fasting from complete no food to minimal amounts of something to help the body and prevent blood sugar from dropping.

      Personally I do not believe in strict fasts at all. The way I see it is that this is simply putting more stress on the body. For example, if a person goes on a diet where they don’t eat what happens? The metabolism simply slows down to try and conserve energy. Then the body turns around and creates more fat with the food it gets later in anticipation of future starvation periods.

      If someone is going to fast I recommend a limited fast such as still taking in some juice or nutritional herbs to reduce stress on the body, prevent blood sugar drops and to prevent the body from going in to a starvation mode.

      James

      • i beg to differ. fasting is almost always good. and you can fast for much longer than most people realize. just drink water. most people say they feel Great! on a fast.
        senses become attenuated, thinking and skin clear up,
        energy increases, toxins decamp, and sleep is deeper.

        fasting is the oldest curative we have; all animals fast when not feeling well.

        natural, temporary stress is a good thing. we rev ourselves up at the molecular level and become more efficient. the body quickly adjusts and blood markers improve as biochemistry reboots.

        it’s not just all about what you eat. we eat too often and too much, which backs up the system causing congestion, an under appreciated cause of disease.

        this congestion results in (i speculate) chronic stress, which is not good.

        • Buddhi: “i beg to differ. fasting is almost always good. and you can fast for much longer than most people realize. just drink water. most people say they feel Great! on a fast.
          senses become attenuated, thinking and skin clear up,
          energy increases, toxins decamp, and sleep is deeper.”

          …….Stress is put on the body, the body’s metabolism slows down then when eating resumes more weight is put on to prepare for future starvation periods, there is a decrease in the intake of needed nutrients………

  38. Hi Laura,

    The whole cancer cannot live in an alkaline environment is BOGUS!!!!! Cancer forms in an alkaline environment all the time. What people are confusing is the fact that in the later stages of cancer the immediate area around the tumor becomes acidic. Therefore, some people have mistook this to mean that cancer thrives in an acidic environment.

    Alkalinity drives cancer cell growth and malignant transformation:

    Role of the Intracellular pH in the Metabolic Switch Between Oxidative Phosphorylaiton and Aerobic Glycolysis-Relavance to Cancer. Cancer 2011;2(3):WMC001716

    Na+/H+ exchanger-dependent intracellular alkalinization is an early event in malignant transformation and plays an essential role in the development of subsequent transformation-associated phenotypes. FASEBJ 2000
    Nov;14(14):2185-97

    Tumorigenic 3T3 cells maintain an alkaline intracellular pH under physiological conditions. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1990 October; 87(19): 7414–7418

    31P NMR analysis of intracellular pH of Swiss Mouse 3T3 cells: effects of extracellular Na+ and K+ and mitogenic stimulation. J Membr Biol 1986;94(1):55-64

    Extracellular Na+ and initiation of DNA synthesis: role of intracellular pH and K+. J Cell Biol 1984 Mar;98(3):1082-9

    Keep in mind that the blood is kept in an alkaline state except in very rare circumstances. Yet cancer cells form in this alkaline state. Even tissues that are normally acidic, such as the stomach and colon have a higher risk of cancer when they become too alkaline.

    When the cancer cells start to grow they produce hydrogen ions (protons) just as healthy cells do as part of their energy production, which involves both glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation also as with healthy cells. The highly alkaline internal pH of cancer cells though increases the use of glycolysis over oxidative phosphorylation in cancer cells.

    The protons do generate acidity so they are removed or buffered by the body. The body can only do so much though to keep up. In the early stages of the cancer the body can keep up with the export of the acidic protons from both healthy cells and malignant cells maintaining the normally alkaline tissues in an alkaline state. As the tumor continues to grow though there comes a tipping point where the higher metabolic rate of the tumor produces more protons than the body can remove or buffer and the LOCALIZED area around the tumor becomes acidic as the tumor cells rapidly export the protons out to maintain the internal alkalinity they need to survive and thrive. If the proton pumps of cancer cells are blocked the cancer cells become acidic killing them:

    Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase in Cancer Cells: Structure and Function. Atlas of
    Genetics and Cytogenetics in Oncology and Haematology Sept. 2011

    Vacuolar H+-ATPase in human breast cancer cells with distinct metastatic
    potential: distribution and functional activity. Am J Physiol Cell
    Physiol 286: C1443–C1452, 2004

    Targeting vacuolar H+-ATPases as a new strategy against cancer. Cancer
    Res 2007 Nov 15;67(22):10627-30

    Vacuolar H(+)-ATPase signaling pathway in cancer. Curr Protein Pept Sci
    2012 Mar;13(2):152-63

    Another very common myth is that cancer cells secrete lactic acid. Cancer cells secrete non-acidic lactate, not lactic acid. These ARE NOT the same thing even though the two terms get used interchangeably all the time, even by researchers who should know better:

    Tumor metabolism of lactate: the influence and therapeutic potential for MCT and CD147 regulation. Future Oncol 2010 Jan;6(1):127-48

    Enzymes involved in L-lactate metabolism in humans. Mitochondrion 2013 Sep 9. pii: S1567-7249(13)00244-4

    Tumor metabolism: cancer cells give and take lactate. J Clin Invest 2008 Dec;118(12):3835-7

    Mitochondrial fission induces glycolytic reprogramming in cancer-associated myofibroblasts, driving stromal lactate production, and early tumor growth. Oncotarget 2012 Aug;3(8):798-810

    Therefore, the localized acidity around malignant tumors IS NOT from the secretion of lactic acid, but rather the rapid export of protons by the cancer cells to maintain their internal alkalinity.

    There have been studies where attempts to alkalize cancer cells to kill them has been tried.

    Attempts to alkalize with cesium chloride showed that the cesium chloride DID NOT kill cancer cells. To the contrary cesium chloride was found to not only cause cancer being a mutagen, but also to promote the growth of existing cancers. Cesium chloride was also found to increase the risk of death from heart issues and could cause liver damage. The whole concept of using cesium chloride stems from very faulty studies by one doctor who used more than one therapy on cancer patients then attributed the survival of the few that did survive to cesium chloride while ignoring the other therapies. And the myth that parts of the world where cesium levels are high in the soil and water have lower cancer rates. I checked the cancer rates in those areas they claim were low and found the cancer rates were normal to extraordinarily high compared to other parts of the world.

    Alkalizing with lithium chloride showed no effect on cancer cells.

    Alkalizing by the ingestion of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) showed no killing of cancer cells, but did inhibit metastases by reducing the localized acidity needed for the body’s proteolytic enzymes to allow cancer metastases.

    The problem with this though is that the study only looked at the short term effects of baking soda ingestion. To generate an alkaline effect at all the stomach acid and other buffers need to be overwhelmed. One role of stomach acid is to prevent infection by ingested pathogens, which include those that cause cancer. Another role is the absorption of nutrients, which include those required for a process known as methylation. Methylation is involved in about 4,000 reactions in the body. Among these are immune function, hormone balance and DNA repair. Therefore, neutralizing the stomach acid by ingesting baking soda actually increases not only the development of cancer but also cancer growth by decreasing methylation in the body.

    Many people will refer to the quack Simoncini who claims cancer is a fungus and who also claims Aspergillus and Candida are the same thing. That is all another story though. Simoncini has had some luck though injecting concentrated baking soda solutions directly in to tumors. People are assuming this is helping because of alkalizing, although alkalizing has NOTHING to do with it. In fact, the reaction of the baking soda with the acidity around the tumor will just form another acid called carbonic acid. The reason this can work is because the concentrated solution is causing such as strong osmotic shift on the cells that it will kill cancer cells as well as healthy cells. This is the same principle as destroying varicose veins, which are still normal cells, by injecting a concentrated saline solution in to them.

    As for diet helping, the answer is yes. But not from alkalizing since diet DOES NOT alkalize the body. Healthy foods are rich in immune stimulating nutrients such as ascorbic acid and pantothenic acid, as well as antioxidants and antivirals (the vast majority of cancers are viral in origin) such as tannic acid, chlorogenic acid, etc. Inflammation is also a key factor in cancer and healthy foods can contain anti-inflammatories such as omega 3 fatty acids and salicylic acid. Notice what all these compounds have in common? Fibers in these foods help with detox and are fermented by the flora that account for most of our immune system in to beneficial acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and other fatty acids.

    Speaking of acids I would love to see any of these people promoting the cancer loves acid and low oxygen levels explain how that works since alkalinity DECREASES oxygen levels. Acidity is needed to release oxygen from hemoglobin and to maintain circulation. People die from severe alkalosis due to the above reasons and due to the fact that severe alkalosis induces severe spasm contractions of the lungs preventing the person from breathing. So how do they explain their paradox that cancer cells thrive in low oxygen that would be induced by alkalinity but also supposedly thrive in acidity, which increases cancer cell oxygen levels?

    Speaking of which the cancer loves low oxygen levels is also a major myth. Cancer cells are highly reliant on oxygen for survival and growth. Cancer cells die in the absence of oxygen stimulating a process known as angiogenesis to increase oxygen levels to surviving cancer cells spurring their growth:

    Reliance of cancer cells on oxygen:

    Oxygen Consumption Can Regulate the Growth of Tumors, a New Perspective on the Warburg Effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

    Choosing between glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation: a tumor’s dilemma? Biochim Biophys Acta 2011 Jun;1807(6):552-61

    Comparison of Metabolic Pathways between Cancer Cells and Stromal Cells in Colorectal Carcinomas: a Metabolic Survival Role for Tumor-Associated Stroma. Cancer Res January 15, 2006 66;632

    Akt Stimulates Aerobic Glycolysis in Cancer Cells. Cancer Res June 1, 2004 64; 3892

    That cancer growth is inhibited by low oxygen levels an die in the absence of oxygen:

    Oxygen consumption can regulate the growth of tumors, a new perspective on the Warburg effect. PLoS One 2009 Sep 15;4(9):e7033

    Anoxia is necessary for tumor cell toxicity caused by a low-oxygen environment. Cancer Res 2005 Apr 15;65(8):3171-8

    Relationship between oxygen and glucose consumption by transplanted tumors in vivo. Cancer Res 1967 Jun;27(6):1041-52

    Death of cancer cells by lack of oxygen and angiogenesis stimulation to increase the growth rate of tumors by increasing oxygen levels to the tumor:

    Computational models of VEGF-associated angiogenic processes in cancer. Math Med Biol 2012 Mar;29(1):85-94

    Blood Flow, Oxygen Consumption, and Tissue Oxygenation of Human Breast Cancer Xenografts in Nude Rats. Cancer Res 47, 3496-3503, July 1,1987

    A Mathematical Model for the Diffusion of Tumour Angiogenesis Factor into the Surrounding Host. Tissue Math Med Biol (1991) 8 (3): 191-220

    The History of Tumour Angiogenesis as a Therapeutic Target. University of Toronto Medical Journal Vol 87, No 1 (2009)

    In fact, cancer cells have a higher affinity for oxygen than healthy cells due to their reliance on oxygen:

    Utilization of Oxygen by Transplanted Tumors in Vivo. Cancer Res 1967;27:1020-1030

    Growth-related changes of oxygen consumption rates of tumor cells grown in vitro and in vivo. J Cell Physiol 1989 Jan;138(1):183-91

    I cover the use of herbs and touch on diet in this write up:

    http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Cancer.htm

    But with any cancer especially metastasized and aggressive cancers my first choice will always be ozone therapy:

    http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=89

    http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6804&pid=9900&mode=threaded

    You can also run a search on the word “ozone” on the MedCapsules site fr more research on ozone.

    James

    • Some cells can’t self destruct because of low ATP production. Alkalinity both increases excretion of some carcinogens(The top two oldest documented women smoked almost their whole lives) and increases ATP production. Cells that couldnt pull the trigger to commit suicide before now can. There are also some pancreatic enzymes(cancer eating) that appear to require a minimum alkalinity to activate, just as pepsinogen in the stomach requires acidity to activate. This is why pancreatic cancer has one of the lowest survival rates of any cancer. Also predicted by alkalinity…the heart gets blood first and highest PH, virtually zero cancer, the lungs receive the lowest PH blood, highest rate of cancer.

      • Bo Jangels: “Alkalinity both increases excretion of some carcinogens(”

        Which carcinogens? And please back your claim with some credible evidence.

        Bo Jangels: ”

        Bo Jangels: “and increases ATP production.”

        That would be a pretty good magic trick since ATP formation is dependent on oxygen levels. During hypoxic glycolysis only 2 molecules of ATP are formed. As were with oxidative phosphorylation (OxPhos) there is 32 molecules of ATP formed. But excess alkalinity would increase glycolysis and decrease OxPhos since the release of oxygen to cells is ACID dependent . This is one of the reasons that severe alkalosis can kill a person from a lack of oxygen. The other reasons is that alkalosis decreases circulation by constricting blood vessels, which further reduces tissue oxygenation. In severe cases of alkalosis the lungs also go in to spasm contractions preventing respiration.

        Acidosis actually increases tissue oxygenation and thus increased ATP formation in most cells.

        Bo Jangels: “There are also some pancreatic enzymes(cancer eating) that appear to require a minimum alkalinity to activate, just as pepsinogen in the stomach requires acidity to activate.”

        Which enzymes specifically are you referring to? The only pancreatic enzymes I can think of that require alkalinity for activation digest sugar molecules, not cancer cells.

        Bo Jangels: “This is why pancreatic cancer has one of the lowest survival rates of any cancer.”

        The reason that pancreatic cancer is so aggressive has NOTHING to do with pH. Pancreatic cancer is aggressive due to the high blood flow and thus high oxygen delivery to the cancer cells. Cancer cells are so dependent on oxygen for survival and growth that they have a higher affinity for oxygen than healthy cells.

        Also same reason the initial death of the center of malignant tumors from a lack of oxygen stimulates the process of angiogenesis. The angiogenesis in turn increases the level of oxygen to the surviving cancer cells stimulating their growth.

        Same reason that liver cancer and small cell lung carcinoma have the same to lower survival rates as pancreatic cancer.

        Cancer itself arises in an alkaline environment all the time. In fact, research has also shown that when healthy cells are made excessively alkaline the healthy cells morph in to cancer cells.

        Also keep in mind that cancer cells have a more alkaline internal pH than healthy tissues. People keep mistaking the external acidity that occurs around cancerous tumors during the LATER stages of growth as meaning cancer cells are acidic or that acidity causes cancer. Neither claim is true.

        To maintain their alkalinity cancer cells rapidly export acidic protons in to the external matrix making the micro-environment just around the outside of the tumor acidic when the tumor finally grows large enough that the proton export exceeds the removal rate. This is what people commonly mistake for acidic cancer cells. When the proton pumps of cancer cells are blocked the cancer cells become acidic killing them.

        Bo Jangels: ” Also predicted by alkalinity…the heart gets blood first and highest PH, virtually zero cancer, the lungs receive the lowest PH blood, highest rate of cancer.”

        That is a severely flawed hypothesis.

        First of all if you knew how the heart worked then you would know that there are parts of the heart that pump well oxygenated blood, and parts that pump de-oxygenated blood. So according to your faulty hypothesis of pH being dependent on oxygen levels then how could the heart be completely alkaline when it has both oxygenated and de-oxygenated blood? According to your faulty hypothesis there should be well oxygenated high pH areas decreasing cancer, but there would also be low oxygenated, low pH, areas that should be causing cancer. So clearly your hypothesis is wrong.

        Oh by the way have you ever taken in to consideration what is formed during ATP formation? Acidic hydrogen ions (protons).

        As for lungs there is also the same flaw in your hypothesis. Keep in mind that the lungs are exchanging carbon dioxide for oxygen and thus the lungs have both high and low oxygen levels.

        Actually I have been working on my own hypothesis along the lines of ATP formation for a number of years and have put together a lot of evidence to back it up. You may get there some day if you drop the pH myths about cancer.

        By the way, how would you explain blood cancers when the blood is kept in alkaline state? And what about lymphatic cancers since the lymphatic system is kept more alkaline than the blood? And what about cancers in much of the intestine, which is also mainly alkaline? Actually the majority of tissues that do develop cancer have alkaline pH levels. And science has shown that areas of the body that are normally acidic for health have an increased risk of cancer when they become too alkaline.

  39. Hi James, obviously you have a very firm grasp of textbook, human physiology, respiration being the primary mechanism of body ph control, etc. After an open minded perusal of the general thrust of your take on this, I am left with the feeling that there is something you are missing in the big picture of the ultimate effect of diet on overall body ph. If what you say is true, that the ph of the food we eat, ultimately has little to no effect on, let’s say our blood ph, then it should be true in the most extreme of cases. So you are saying then…. that if one went on a “fast” consuming only large quantities of water with sodium bicarbonate in it… that at the end of say 3 weeks time of consuming only SBC solution, that that alone would have ZERO effect on anything except possibly stomach/intestinal ph? Would not affect our blood ph AT ALL? Or, the opposite, consuming only water and strong acetic acid solution for the same period of time, would not have some blood ph lowering effect at all? ZERO? Honestly I find that hard to imagine though I’m open to being wrong. If you accede that it ultimately would, if taken to an extreme have an effect, then it’s not hard to imagine then, that it would also have a more subtle, though not well understood, effect under normal conditions? Because saying that though “alkaline food is good for us”, it has NOTHING what so ever to do with it’s ph level, it just strikes me as highly possibly being… “iffy”. After all, just a few years ago MD’s and accepted physiology claimed that eggs caused heart disease, and now “we” pretty much know it’s much more complicated than that. I’m not “settled” either way on this, just looking for feedback. Btw, I never was taken in by the 4K water machines 🙂 Thanks.

    • Hi Allan,

      In general you are right that if you go on a fast and take nothing but water and baking soda or water and vinegar this is not going to change your blood pH one bit. Again the body can only live in a very narrow pH range, which is why the body has so many redundant systems to keep the pH within that narrow range. And tiny fluctuation is met with an increase in respiration to reduce acidity or decrease in respiration to increase acidity. If the lungs cannot keep up the kidneys can take up a lot of the slack. If they cannot keep up then the body still has various other means to keep the pH in balance.

      Now, there have been cases where people have developed acidosis or the even more dangerous alkalosis by ingesting too much acid, such as lots of kombucha, or by ingesting too much baking soda or calcium carbonate. But these are extremely rare cases because this requires overwhelming the body’s pH buffering system, which is very difficult to do.

      Also keep in mind that neither baking soda nor vinegar are really foods. And I have been talking about foods not alkalizing the body. As I pointed out several times already ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. Many of those acids are also what make up your body, allow your cells to produce energy, that help with detoxification, that maintain your circulation and blood pressure, that allow oxygenation of tissues,…………. People need to stop fearing the acids we derive from food and that are formed by the body. Most are not evil, they are essential!!!

  40. http://www.nature.com/hr/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/hr201523a.html
    “Association between the markers of metabolic acid load and higher all-cause and cardiovascular mortality in a general population with preserved renal function”
    Although metabolic acid load has been associated with many well-known risk factors for mortality, its clinical implications are not yet clear.
    To evaluate the association between biomarkers of metabolic acid load, such as serum bicarbonate, serum anion gap and urine pH and mortality, we analyzed the health records of 31 590 adults who underwent a health screening between January 2001 and December 2010 and had an estimated glomerular filtration rate greater than or equal to60 ml min−1 per 1.73 m2.
    Urine pH was measured by a dipstick test performed on fast morning urine sample and categorized as acidic (urine pH less than or equal to5.5), neutral and alkaline (urine pH greater than or equal to8.0).
    Using the Cox proportional hazard model, the adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) of all-cause mortality of the lowest quartile of serum bicarbonate was 1.460 (95% confidence interval (CI) 1.068–1.995) compared with the highest quartile, after a median follow-up of 93 months.
    The aHRs of cardiovascular and cancer mortality of the lowest quartile of serum bicarbonate were 2.647 (95% CI 1.148–6.103) and 1.604 (95% CI 1.024–2.513), respectively, compared with the highest quartile.
    Acidic and neutral urine pH were significantly associated with a higher all-cause mortality (aHR 2.550, 95% CI 1.316–4.935; aHR 2.376 95% CI 1.254–4.501, respectively), compared with an alkaline urine pH.
    In conclusion,higher metabolic acid load was associated with an increased all-cause and cardiovascular mortality in a healthy population.
    The association between metabolic acid load and mortality and the causality of the relationship need to be confirmed.

    Unfortunately I haven’t as yet been able to read the full text but I think most people after reading the abstract, they may want to reconsider the importance of increasing intake of frut and vegetables and reducing meat intake?
    Urine pH is an indicator of dietary acid-base load, fruit and vegetables and meat intakes: results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC)-Norfolk population study.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18042305

    • Ted Hutchison,

      Do you understand the fact that we have been discussing blood pH and the urinary pH discussed in this article DOES NOT reflect blood pH as has been pointed out so many times.

      Furthermore, your comment about increasing the intake of fruit and vegetables and reducing meat is irrelevant since as also pointed out diet DOES NOT alkalize the blood. ALL foods get metabolized in to acids.

      James

        • Why are you bringing up fat, which is not being discussed? And by the way there is more water than fat in the body. So how can the body be 60% fat? Since there is more water in the body even a 61% water content would be an impossible 121% not even including other things such as minerals and amino acids. So once again your hypothesis is very faulty.

  41. This is a very well researched and detailed article against the validity of the ash alkaline diet. I have read other articles, both in support of and against it, but very few of them are this well thought out, refuting the effectiveness of the diet, point by point. However, I will add this. In all the articles that say that the alkaline diet plan does not really work, they all concede that there are some claims in the theory that are actually valid and are based in science. So the inability of any argument I have read to completely refute the legitimacy of the alkaline diet, tends to make me believe that parts of the alkaline
    diet are actually real.

    • The only benefits of the so-called “alkaline diet” are the higher nutritional value, which includes numerous beneficial acids and the higher fiber intake, which are fermented in to more beneficial acids.

  42. I am sorry but there is too much information out there that absolutely supports alkalizing…..including other holistic doctors….i was so thrilled to read Kris’s article on magnesium stearate in supplements but this article throws all his information into question for me. Seems everyone has an angle and when presented singly it makes the most sense….oh well Kris you have dropped a few notches in my book….

  43. I understand what you are trying to say, and I do agree that the alkaline diet is not well founded, or necessary based on current scientific knowledge. However, as a biochemist, I must ask that you revise you paragraph titled “Kindneys – not none – regulate blood pH.” It suggests that metabolic processes in the kidneys have nothing to do with bone health, which is simply untrue. I would hate to see the focus of the article stray away from “debunking” the Alkaline diet, however this paragraph could cause some confusion, and as a result negate some of the article’s credibility. Here are some websites that can better explain the role of the kidneys in calcium metabolism.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18591745
    http://courses.washington.edu/conj/bess/calcium/calcium.html
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9763881

  44. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104095/

    Effects of natural mineral-rich water consumption on the expression of sirtuin 1 and angiogenic factors in the erectile tissue of rats with fructose-induced metabolic syndrome

    https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/hmbci.ahead-of-print/hmbci-2014-0032/hmbci-2014-0032.xml
    Natural mineral-rich water ingestion improves hepatic and fat glucocorticoid-signaling and increases sirtuin 1 in an animal model of metabolic syndrome

    Isn’t what we are seeing here what actually happens when the acidifying effects of fructose are adequately buffered with alkalizing mineral waters?

    • Ted Hutchison: “Isn’t what we are seeing here what actually happens when the acidifying effects of fructose are adequately buffered with alkalizing mineral waters?”

      No.

      First of all you ignoring the fact that mineral rich waters can be acidic or alkaline.

      Secondly, minerals in water can produce all sorts of beneficial effects on the body even though they are not doing anything to alter blood pH. For example, magnesium common in mineral waters can help regulate blood sugar among numerous other things since magnesium is required for about 300 processes in the body. These are not related to alkalizing the blood.

      You are also overlooking various other facts. For example, why are fruits considered alkalizing when they contain fructose, which you say is acidifying?

      The fact is that ALL foods get metabolized in to acids regardless of what the food is.

      So what keeps us from becoming overly acidic? Not diet, that is for sure. And minerals in water really play little if any role.

      As pointed out our pH is maintained primarily by respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention or elimination by the kidneys. These account for virtually all pH regulation of the blood.

      A person can sit and drink highly mineralized water all day long and this still would not alter their blood pH since the blood buffers the blood constantly to prevent acidosis and the significantly more dangerous alkalosis.

      By the same reasoning consuming fructose DOES NOT induce acidosis either. Therefore, highly mineralized water is not buffering any acidosis from fructose since acidosis from fructose is not occurring in the first place.

  45. So if an acid state has no impact on the absorption of calcium that means that when we drink milk the body is NOT leaching calcium from our bones in an attempt to re alkaline the body!?????
    So dairy is safe to drink….?

      • Yes. The high protein content of milk blocks calcium absorption from milk, which is why dairy is actually a bad source for calcium. The high phosphorus content of mil leads to calcium loss from bone making things even worse.

        Calcium in milk will also block iron absorption.

        • James… it is a bit off the topic but would you please share your opinion on the pine pollen and testosterone hormone metabolism?
          Kind regards,
          Jadgpanther

          • Hi Jadgpanther,

            Pollen in general is a good source of sterols, which can help with testosterone production. It does not need to be pine pollen.

            There are numerous other sterol sources as well, some much higher than pollen such as jiaogulan, which id the highest source I have ever found.

            If you want to maintain testosterone levels it is also a very good idea to combine an aromatase inhibitor such as nettle root. This blocks the conversion of testosterone in to estrogen.

            James

  46. I have wondered if the “alkaline” diet folks understand the digestive process, whereby food is broken down into small molecules, first in an acidic environment, then in an alkaline one. The body is not a “black box.”

    • I think we are all able to read and understand what actually happens when we take young people and some elderly folk and change their diet from a high protein to a high vegetable diet and then swap the diets.
      Try reading the full text of this paper.
      Effect of diet composition on acid–base balance in adolescents, young adults and elderly at rest and during exercise
      http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn2014245a.html
      and then consider this article
      Small change in blood acidity could prove detrimental to kidney disease patients
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150106081518.htm
      Then bear in mind what % of the population have asthma, COPD, Pulmonary dysfunction or low vitamin d status all of which mean lung function is not optimal.

      • Just because someone has asthma, COPD (which includes asthma), pulmonary dysfunction (which includes COPD) or low vitamin D this DOES NOT mean they will also have acidosis. Nor does this mean they have kidney dysfunction in the first place, which is what your link is saying acidity can be a problem with.

  47. Self regulating blood ph may be a normal function of a healthy person, but what about when the body is plagued by illness? From my understanding most bacteria prefer a acidic environment and the body has to spend energy regulating blood ph which takes away from it’s capability to heal from illness and vice versa. This is especially true in cancer patients because the cancer produces large amounts of lactic acid which can put extra strain on your liver, kidneys, and body systems. Prescription medicines for these sorts of illnesses will also put extra strain on the liver. Ultimately this will have an acidifying effect on all systems in the body. Reference: http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/sugar_cancer.htm

    • In my opinion Mercola is far from a credible source of health information.

      First of all even if the body is plagued with illness this DOES NOT make the blood acidic. And most pathogens thrive in alkalinity, not acidity. Stomach acid for example kills many pathogens as do acids from our flora. On the other hand bacteria tend to alkalize tissues and fluids to survive. For example, Helicobacter pylori secretes highly alkaline ammonia to protect itself. The bacteria that cause urinary tract infections secrete urease to split urea to form highly alkaline ammonia to protect themselves from the acidity.

      As for cancer, the cancer cells secrete lactic acid myth was dispelled decades ago.

      Cancer cells secrete lactate, not lactic acid:

      Tumor metabolism of lactate: the influence and therapeutic potential for MCT and CD147 regulation. Future Oncol 2010 Jan;6(1):127-48

      Enzymes involved in L-lactate metabolism in humans. Mitochondrion 2013 Sep 9. pii: S1567-7249(13)00244-4

      Tumor metabolism: cancer cells give and take lactate. J Clin Invest 2008 Dec;118(12):3835-7

      Mitochondrial fission induces glycolytic reprogramming in cancer-associated myofibroblasts, driving stromal lactate production, and early tumor growth. Oncotarget 2012 Aug;3(8):798-810

      Cancer DOES NOT make the body acidic, only the immediate microenvironment around the tumor becomes acidic. This is due to to the cancer cells rapidly exporting the acidic hydrogen ions in to the extracellular (outside the cell) to maintain the alkaline internal pH that allows the cancer cell to survive and to drive glycolysis in the cancer cells.

      • Introduction to the molecular basis of cancer metabolism and the Warburg effect
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25672512
        Here are a couple of paragraphs from the above paper that may interest readers here.
        There is also evidence suggesting that due to the Warburg effect and the production of lactate cancer cells possess a selective advantage over normal cells in their microenvironment.
        It has also been shown that lactate is a key driver of angiogenesis and is critical for the development
        and growth of cancer cells.

        Further in the paper they explain,
        “When tumors increase in size, blood vessels supplying
        nutrients and oxygen relative to the size of the tumor is
        often not enough to sustain the development of the tumor.
        As a result of the Warburg effect, reduced oxygen supplied to the tumor acts as a compromise, ultimately leading to hypoxia.
        When molecules of ATP lactate are yielded as a result of aerobic glycolysis in cancer cells, lactate is secreted into the tumor microenvironment.
        The consequence of the release of lactate leads to the development in growth and proliferation of cancer cells, also increasing the likelihood of metastasis

        • Cancer cells will use some of that lactate as a fule source as lactate is one of various fuel sources for cancer cells. The others being glucose, fructose, ketones and some amino acids.

          And yes, hypoxia will develop as the tumor grows, but only in parts of the tumor. This is due to the erratic vasculature within the tumor, which leaves parts of the tumor highly oxygenated and other parts hypoxic. It is these hypoxic regions that chemo and radiation therapies tend to fail due to the lack of oxygen radical formation to kill the cancer cells.

          One area I really disagree with is the claim that lactate promotes metastases. Metastases is driven by proteolytic enzymes such as hyaluronidase. But these enzymes are activated by acidity, which comes from the excess hydrogen ions secreted by the cancer cells. Lactate itself IS NOT acidic and thus would not activate the enzymes needed to drive metastases.

          • Dear James,
            “Cancer as a metabolic disease” book brings forth the wide academic proof that the cancer causes the mitochondrial damage and irreversibly cancer cell mitochondria consume sugars even if the oxygen is widely available. For that reason, they have supercharged blood veins in order to consume so much sugar to create so little energy. Not my claim. But frankly, I bought that idea. I do respect your approach and experience and let me listen to you why you subscribe to such opinion and whether it is based on personal experience or something else. I ll cling on to that until you persuade me to something else.
            Kind regards,
            Jadgpanther

            • Cancer does involve changes to the genes of the cells. But these changes, most often from viral insertion, are the cause of the cancer, NOT the result of the cancer.

              And yes, cancer cells will feed on glucose and fructose even in the presence of high oxygen levels (the reverse Warburg effect), but you overlooked my point. My point was that sugars are only ONE potential fuel source for cancer cells. Cancer cells also utilize some amino acids, lactate and ketones for fuel sources. So even if blood sugar levels are reduced the cancer cells still feed and grow.

              Not sure what you mean by “supercharged blood veins”. In actuality the vascular structure of malignant tumors is very poor and erratic. This is why there are areas of malignant tumors are well oxygenated and other areas are hypoxic. Same reason most chemotherapy drugs and radiation therapy tend to have such low success rates. Most rely on a free radical principle to kill the cancer cells. The oxygen saturated areas therefore are more prone to oxidative destruction of the cancer cells. But the hypoxic regions tend to be chemo and radiation resistant due to the hypoxia inhibiting the production of oxygen radicals to kill the cancer cells.

              That same erratic vasculature is going to inhibit glucose delivery just like oxygen delivery is inhibited.

              Here is the research showing cancer cells using glucose, amino acids, lactate and ketones for fuel:

              Ketones and lactate “fuel” tumor growth and metastasis: Evidence that epithelial cancer cells use oxidative mitochondrial metabolism. Cell Cycle 2010 Sep 1;9(17):3506-14

              Glucose-Independent Glutamine Metabolism via TCA Cycling for Proliferation and Survival in B Cells. Cell Metabolism, 2012; 15 (1): 110

              Glycine consumption and mitochondrial serine hydroxymethyltransferase in cancer cells: the heme connection. Med Hypotheses 2013 May;80(5):633-6

              Energy transfer in “parasitic” cancer metabolism: mitochondria are the powerhouse and Achilles’ heel of tumor cells. Cell Cycle 2011 Dec 15;10(24):4208-16

              The autophagic tumor stroma model of cancer: Role of oxidative stress and ketone production in fueling tumor cell metabolism. Cell Cycle 2010 Sep 1;9(17):3485-505

              Autophagy and senescence in cancer-associated fibroblasts metabolically supports tumor growth and metastasis via glycolysis and ketone production. Cell Cycle 2012 Jun 15;11(12):2285-302

              Ketone bodies and two-compartment tumor metabolism: stromal ketone production fuels mitochondrial biogenesis in epithelial cancer cells. Cell Cycle 2012 Nov 1;11(21):3956-63

              Pyruvate kinase expression (PKM1 and PKM2) in cancer-associated fibroblasts drives stromal nutrient production and tumor growth. Cancer Biol Ther 2011 Dec 15;12(12):1101-13

              Warburg meets autophagy: cancer-associated fibroblasts accelerate tumor growth and metastasis via oxidative stress, mitophagy, and aerobic glycolysis. Antioxid Redox Signal 2012 Jun 1;16(11):1264-84

                • Nice OPINION piece. Where is the research to back his view. All I see him referencing are other opinion articles. Again, where is the REAL research countering the studies that show ketones are a fuel source for cancer?

                  In addition, you are still overlooking the fact that cancer cells can also use other fuel sources other than sugars and ketones. This includes amino acids that can be supplied by a ketogenic diet. So you keep focusing on looking at one tree while ignoring the rest of the forest.

                • Ted Hutchinson: “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4197426/”

                  Once again you post something that you expect someone to go through and try to guess what point you are trying to make instead of stating what you are getting at in the link and quoting what you think is true. So all I can do is guess that this is the quote from the study you posted that you wanted me to see:

                  “Despite the evidence outlined above showing how CHO restriction counteracts tumor glycolysis, accounts for the altered metabolism of the tumor-bearing patient and may even improve the tolerability of radiation treatment, some authors still question the scientific rationale for the KD and deny any possible benefits171.”

                • I think this is a very important debate and those with a cancer diagnosis will have to take extremely seriously.
                  It’s important they consider all sides of the debate and not think James’ view are the only opinions that matter.
                  I see absolutely no point in debating issues with those whose minds are closed to reason or evidence.
                  Of course such is the nature of consensus medical opinion it will be many years before the use of ketogenic diets to assist cancer therapy become commonplace.
                  If we look at the history of ketogenic diets for epilepsy we can trace it back to 500years BC but despite a period in the 1920s it’s been ignored until perhaps the last 20 years but still we see it’s mainly used a last resort after drug therapies have been tried and failed.
                  When lots of money is involved in medical treatments it’s not patient safety or common sense that come first.
                  It may help to understand the issue from the perspective of someone fighting brain cancer.
                  http://greymadder.net/2014/04/28/fight-cancer-with-a-ketogenic-diet-book-review/

                • Ted Hutchison: “It’s important they consider all sides of the debate and not think James’ view are the only opinions that matter.”

                  Stop trying to make this about me. I AM NOT the topic. I am merely providing evidence that REAL science has already shown. I am not in to opinion pieces as “evidence”.

                  Ted Hutchison: “I see absolutely no point in debating issues with those whose minds are closed to reason or evidence.”

                  If there was REAL evidence presented in the first place then maybe I would reconsider. Posting opinion articles IS NOT “evidence”. I posted actual research showing cancer cells use ketones as one of various fuel sources. That is an example of REAL evidence.

                  Ted Hutchison: “it will be many years before the use of ketogenic diets to assist cancer”

                  If ever. Again, so far the only REAL evidence that has been presented shows ketones fuel cancer. Why put so much effort in to trying to make an argument for something where real evidence is lacking when we already have things that have been proven to work on cancer such as ozone therapy?

                  Ted Huthison: “If we look at the history of ketogenic diets for epilepsy we can trace it back to 500years BC”

                  A of things we use today can be dated back to ancient times. Are you aware that electrotherapy and even thermography principles were being used back in Greek and Roman days? The reason they are in use today is because there was an actual rational for their use backed by REAL science and not some hypothesis that goes against what real science has already shown.

              • “May Be Vital to Tumor Suppression”

                “May be”? Do you understand this this means hypothetical, not proven?

                Even if you red through the article they are still pointing out this is all hypothetical.

                In addition, it sounds like they did a Petri dish study, which IS NOT the same as in a living body since a Petri dish DOES NOT have a metabolism. See, in an actual human body if glucose is restricted guess what happens? The body can generate its own glucose from a variety of things including glycogen, amino acids from proteins, fats and lactate. The process is known as gluconeogenesis. This is why one cancer therapy, known as hydrazine sulfate (HS), is used in some countries to treat cancer. HS helps to prevent the conversion of lactate in to glucose thus helping to reduce fuel to the cancer cells.

                But again, cancer cells can use various fuel sources including ketones. Therefore, a Petri dish study DOES NOT reflect what actually happens in the human body.

                When they put the cancer cells in a Petri dish and withhold glucose there are no secondary fuel sources to feed the cells as occurs within the human body. And there is no response to low blood sugar from the adrenals and thus no glucose generation by the liver as in the actual human body.

                Petri dish studies ARE NOT proof of anything. They are great manipulation tools though to try and prove a point or to get more grant money because most people don’t understand that these types of studies mean very little.

                As an example of where I said “try and prove a point” there was a study reported all over the media a while back claiming vitamin C caused infertility. How did they come to this bogus conclusion? They put vitamin C directly on semen in a Petri dish killing the semen. Of course semen is alkaline to survive the acidic pH of the woman’s reproductive organs, but still it can only take so much acidity. If this bogus study were true then none of us would exist since we also need vitamin C to exist and survive.

              • James, what are you trying to say about the Ketogenic Diet?

                What do you know about it and it’s relation to cancer?

                • I am not saying one way or the other about the ketogenic diet. I simply pointed out the well known fact that cancer cells use more than glucose as a fuel source. These include ketones, fructose, lactate, some amino acids and fatty acids.

      • Blood can become acidic, but this is an EXTREMELY rare occurrence.

        As for tissues, some tissues need to be acidic to keep them healthy. For example the skin and colon.

        Normally alkaline tissues again rarely become acidic. An example would be an accumulation of uric acid. The body routinely produces uric acid, which is done to not only protect us from highly alkaline and highly poisonous ammonia but is also one of the body’s primary antioxidants. Excess uric acid can be produced and/or accumulate in certain instances such as antifreeze poisoning, dehydration, some medications, hypothyroidism, etc.

        • James :”The body does not become acidic from a lack of minerals. Again the body’s primary means of pH regulation are respiration followed by kidney retention or elimination of hydrogen ions”

          To relate this to the overly touted RO water systems with remineralization filters…Many claim that they have superior systems because in RO systems without remineralization filters, you are left with acidic water, which is “bad for you”.
          James, do you have any thoughts bout this topic?

          • Hi Amy,

            Purified waters (distilled, reverse osmosis) do go rapidly acidic as they absorb gases from the air. When water absorbs carbon dioxide this forms carbonic acid. As the water absorbs nitrogen and sulfur oxides from the air various nitrogenous and sulfurous acids are formed.

            Are these harmful? Not really. The acidity is pretty minor and the only potential danger would be to the tooth enamel.

            As with other acids in foods, drinks and stomach acid these acids will simply be neutralized in the chyme as the chyme leaves the stomach. This is a normal part of the digestive process. As chyme leaves the stomach the pancreas releases bicarbonate to neutralize acids in the chyme so the acids will not harm the intestines.

            James

            • Thanks for your thoughts on this topic, James. The way you explained it makes sense. It should not be surprising that some companies utilize fear tactics to try and reel us in. A quick example, I stumbled upon
              an RO system that markets itself as superior to all others and gives two major reasons:
              ” Reverse osmosis (RO) systems do an outstanding job eliminating a wide range of toxins, Unfortunately, they are not discriminating and strip the good with the bad. We’re then left with super clean water, but water that is acidic, dead and biologically damaging.
              The —-(company x) uses RO for its filtration basis, but then adds our healthy Mineral Mix to the water. By using a specially designed cartridge with slow release minerals and ceramics (no worries about kidney stones or overdosing) we are able to create water with high pH levels, ionized antioxidant benefits and the same light, super hydrating properties found using electric water ionizers.”

              When I first read this, I felt stuck. RO systems seem to be the only way to be rid of the more harmful aspects of municipal water- chlorine, chloramine, and fluoride (etc.). Yet most RO systems produce water that is “acidic, dead and biologically damaging.” With the exception of company x, who will provide perfectly balanced pH etc…

              Still another article argued against RO altogether and recommended high quality spring water.
              Sounds like I should take all of this with a big grain of salt.
              It is confusing to say the least. Do you have any further thoughts on this?

              • Hi Amy,

                Personally I prefer a good spring water with the minerals still intact over any other water. This is not always available though so my second choice would be a reverse osmosis system. All you need to do is to add a little trace element slat such as Real Salt (Himalayan salt) to the water. To my water bottles I just add a pinch. This reduces the solvency of the water as well as reduces the dangerous osmotic shift that can occur with purified waters. And that tiny amount does not make the water taste salty. my other favorite is to add a spoon full of food grade diatomaceous earth to a gallon of water and let it settle out. Then I drink the water part way down then refill the jug and let the DE settle out again repeating this process over and over. The DE is left in the bottom all the time and each time you add new water traces of silica in the DE is dissolved, which is extremely beneficial to the body.

                And neither of these will dangerously neutralize the stomach acid like ionized alkaline waters or waters highly alkalized with carbonates or oxides.

                Both the trace element salt or DE are cheap, safe and effective means to reduce health problems that can occur from drinking purified waters.

                James

                • James, thank you once again for your time and knowledgeable feedback. I also read your responses to Ian. One of the main takeaways from reading your comments is the fact that water ionizers alkalize water through the formation of unhealthy mineral hydroxides…
                  Example: Magnesium carbonate is converted in to magnesium hydroxide.
                  So, water that is naturally alkaline through minerals etc…is the way to go. Or with an RO system, I just need to “take it with a grain of salt”, real Himalayan, that is.

                  I do have another question for you. Before receiving your recent feedback, I continued my research of RO systems and found an interesting one by AquaLiv. It promises all the bells and whistles sans electric water ionizers. They seem to be on the same page with you regarding the dangers of water ionizers.
                  (AquaLiv)“All common alkaline water ionizers provide hydrogen derived benefits. However, they also provide artificial pH side effects. It is not possible for any common alkaline water ionizer to separate the two. If an alkaline water ionizer uses electricity, it’s the type you want to avoid.”
                  Instead, they utilize “ActivMag”, which looks to be magnesium bound to oxygen (see below)…
                  “The AquaLiv Water System uses ActivMag™ Technology to ensure the water you drink has a proper, naturally alkaline pH through the addition of trace amounts of magnesium. The magnesium used in ActivMag™ is pre-oxidized (bound to oxygen) in order to create a self-regulating pH system. Because the magnesium is oxidized, it is not readily available to dissolve in water. It first needs to react with the naturally occurring H+ ions in the water. The more H+ in the source water, the more acidic that water is. When the H+ ions interact with the magnesium, it frees the magnesium from the oxygen and allows it to dissolve, increasing the water’s alkalinity.
                  “In addition to slightly increasing the pH, a small amount of the magnesium reacts with water to produce molecular hydrogen, H2. The world’s first and best antioxidant. ActivMag™ Technology is the next best thing to water flowing down mineral deposits in a mountain stream.”

                  Do you think the above method would produce water akin to the dangerous ionized alkaline waters or waters highly alkalized with carbonates or oxides?

                  AquaLiv makes many enticing promises:
                  • Leaves in the beneficial minerals that reverse osmosis systems strip away
                  • Creates Energized Structured Water
                  • Creates a healthful, stable alkaline pH 1(8-9.5)
                  • No electricity needed to run the system
                  • System is eco-friendly—no water is wasted unlike reverse osmosis water filters 2
                  • Increases circulation and blood oxygen levels 3
                  • Stabilizes blood sugar 4
                  • Safe for people and pets of all ages
                  • Increases Dissolved Hydrogen level in water
                  • Improves Oxidation Reduction Potential
                  • Provides Magnesium to the body (NO MENTION OF CALCIUM?)

                  I was excited to see a potential RO system that seemed to meet real health standards- but I’m skeptical due to all that I’ve been learning. Thanks again for your part in that learning! Out of curiosity, do you have a science background?
                  For now, I’ll look for some good New England spring water and await your congenial responses.

                • Hi Amy,

                  This is just more bogus sales hype and made up science.

                  For example if they released the oxygen from the magnesium then they would have elemental magnesium, which would not alkalize the water.

                  They can form magnesium hydroxide, which like other hydroxides is still caustic. Just not as caustic as other hydroxides. That is why you can ingest magnesium hydroxide (Milk of Magnesia) but not potassium hydroxide (Drano).

                  Simply putting magnesium oxide in water forms magnesium hydroxide. So if they are claiming magnesium bound to oxygen then it sounds like this is exactly what they are doing. Adding magnesium oxide to form magnesium hydroxide. I buy magnesium oxide for about $16 for a 50 pound bag. No need for a machine costing thousands of dollars. Although magnesium oxide is still caustic and poorly absorbed. Adding an acid such as citric acid will neutralize the caustic nature and increase its absorbability.

                  As for the hydrogen claim this is more sales hype. Hydrogen gas is formed in the body as part of the fermentation process by our flora. If hydrogen was such a good antioxidant and prevented disease then disease would be nearly non-existent.

                  The body produces various antioxidants that are much better. And we get more from diet and supplements.

                  Also keep in mind that an excess of antioxidants increases the risk of disease including cancer.

          • Amy, the whole debate about alkaline water and RO is very much a marketer’s dream becasue most people have never had the need to really learn about something that most people simply take for granted. james is correct about RO. I t does acidify the water. It’s known as ‘hungry water’.

            Water ionizers do not actually alkalize water. they simply concentrate the alkaline minerals in the existing supply. The pH of these units comes about through electrolysis.

            The active ingredient in water from a water ionizer be it natural or electric is molecular hydrogen, and the therapeutic effects of H2 have nothing at all to do with alkalinity.

            The problem electric ionizers have – it’s really a design problem – is that to get high H2 infusion in output water, the user has to increase the electricity in the electrolysis chamber to a point where the pH can go over pH 10, making it rather nasty to consume. There are now new technologies that give more H2 with less pH – even neutral pH.

            • Ian Blair Hamilton: “Amy, the whole debate about alkaline water and RO is very much a marketer’s dream becasue most people have never had the need to really learn about something that most people simply take for granted. james is correct about RO. I t does acidify the water. It’s known as ‘hungry water’.”

              Purified waters are not known as “hungry water” because they become acid. It is because the more pure water is the more solvent it becomes and it will try to saturate with whatever it can.

              Ian Blair Hamilton: “Water ionizers do not actually alkalize water. ”

              Actually they do through the formation of mineral (metal) hydroxides.

              Ian Blair Hamilton: “they simply concentrate the alkaline minerals in the existing supply. ”

              Again not true. The minerals that are naturally occurring in the water, which are usually carbonates, are artificially altered in to synthetic mineral (metal) hydroxides, which are what create the high pH in these waters.

              For example, calcium carbonate that is common in many tap waters is concerted in to calcium hydroxide, used to make cement. Magnesium carbonate is converted in to magnesium hydroxide, which is used as a laxative in part because it chemically burns the intestinal wall. If you have potassium in your water like our water contains naturally you will form potassium hydroxide commonly sold as Drano. Or if you have sodium in your water you will form sodium hydroxide commonly sold as Red Devil Lye. Note all these compounds are caustic to the tissues and dangerously neutralize the stomach acid when ingested. Neutralization of stomach acid can lead to food allergies and nutrient deficiencies from improper digestion of foods. A lack of stomach acid also decreases methylation increasing the risk of cancer, heart disease, immune suppression, depression, hormone imbalances, arthritis, decreased cellular energy production, etc.

              In addition these hydroxides dissociate forming a dangerous free radical.

              In short people are just asking for health issues by drinking ionized alkaline water, especially in the long term. But as you said “most people have never had the need to really learn about something that most people simply take for granted.”

              Ian Blair Hamilton: “The pH of these units comes about through electrolysis.”

              Yes, that is true. The alkalinity comes from the electrolysis forming caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides, not from concentrating alkaline minerals.

              During the electrolysis process water is split leaving the positively charged hydrogen and the negatively charged hydroxyl group. Since opposite charges attract they have to be kept separated so they don’t simply form back in to water. So the negatively charged hydroxyl group looks for a positive charge to balance and gets that from the positively charged metals of the minerals in the water. Calcium (Ca+) for example reacts with the negatively charged OH to form CaOH2. See, the calcium in the water was not concentrated, it is was simply transformed in to a dangerous and synthetic hydroxide to make the water alkaline.

              Ian Blair Hamilton: “The active ingredient in water from a water ionizer be it natural or electric is molecular hydrogen, and the therapeutic effects of H2 have nothing at all to do with alkalinity.”

              That is not what all the water ionizer sales hype is claiming. They have been claiming for decades that it has to do with the alkalinity, which really is rubbish. The fact is that the alkalinity of the ionized alkaline waters is actually quite harmful to the body as I pointed out above.

  48. Truly Chris,
    You are one of the best Alternative Medicine practitioners in the field of all health studies. That you also support Brian Peskin’s studies into Omega oils lends credence to your endeavours.

    All the standard medical profession has to offer are chemicals that address the symptoms yet do nothing to heal the problem itself.

    There are a lot of great natural health providers on the net but many of them get caught up in the confines of their beliefs and studies, and though they offer some excellent support, they fail to continue to reach beyond their own set of interests and background of studies as you and a few other natural healers do.

    I also like Dr Mercola who never fears to step beyond his past understandings. For example, he has proposed, since 2008, that the noon day sun (10 AM to 3 PM) is the best time for healthy sun exposure (UVB) to ensure healthy Vitamin D and skin. The other hours of the day have the dangerous, intense sun rays, UVA, that damages skin and seems to be the cause of skin cancers.

    I was a believer of the alkaline/acid use of baking soda to change my alkalinity. I do find that it does calm my eczema when the itch occurs, but now I know to be careful, and not over do the amount I take at one time, though with the information on Omega oils, my need to clear the itch is much lessoned.

    The protocols of Professor Peskin and you regarding the negative nature of fish oils and the better use of plant based Omega oils have very much helped my skin. I have now a salve mixture of MSM, vitamin C and oils that is finally taming the itch and healing my eczema for the first time in the seven or so years I have had this plague. (This past holiday season the skin from my elbows and knees down fell off and I was in the worst health and pain of my life. Nothing helped, except alkalising with backing soda water, until I found yours and Prof Peskin’s information.)

    My skin was certainly better this summer when I was getting the noon time sun suggested by Dr Mercola and now I am trying to get the immediate 12 O’clock sun in the warmer days of winter in my norther country. Along with proper Omega oils, now, I think I can beat the blight that makes my life, at times, unbearable.
    Namaste and care,
    mhikl

  49. My research has led me to believe that the foundation of good health requires good mineral nutrition. And that without it the body becomes acidic due to the gradual depletion of it’s mineral reserves and all types of health stress can occur. And that the goal is to move pH back into the ideal range. I also thought it had been clinically established the urine’s pH is an accurate reflection of the whole body’s acid/alkaline status. I thought urine pH was directly correlated to both tissue oxygen levels an soft tissue levels of minerals (calcium, magnesium, trace elements). That these minerals are the basic currency of exchange for literally every cell in the body. Thoughts?

    • The body does not become acidic from a lack of minerals. Again the body’s primary means of pH regulation are respiration followed by kidney retention or elimination of hydrogen ions. Since these do not require any kind of reserve we do not deplete these pH regulation methods.

      As for urinary pH, no urinary pH does not reflect the pH of the blood or other tissues whatsoever. Urinary pH is affected by hydration levels, certain supplements and medications, exercise, things in diet or by degradation of food products and by bacteria in the urine. Urinary tract infections lead to highly alkaline urine as the bacteria use the enzyme urease to split urea in to highly alkaline ammonia. The alkalinity helps the bacteria, as with most pathogens, to survive.

      Therefore, urinary pH does not tell us anything about tissue oxygenation or mineral levels either.

      The pH of the blood does affect tissue oxygen levels though. Excess alkalinity leads to decreased tissue oxygen levels by both constricting blood vessels leading to decreased circulation and by inhibiting oxygen release from hemoglobin. Excess acidity has the opposite effect.

  50. Hi James,

    At the start of each day, my wife whisks up a cup of matcha, eat probiotics, vitamin c and spirulina to cleanse and energize her body. I am concerned if these can be consumed together in one go and if matcha is indeed effective as there aren’t much scientific research to begin with. Do you know of any research which supports claims of its benefits?

    Does having alkaline foods (in general) have the counter effect of causing the stomach to work harder and secrete excess acid?

    • Hi Clement,

      I am not big on green tea, including matcha, for several reasons. Green tea is very high in fluoride, which can lead to thyroid suppression. The tea plant is also high in tannins, which can block nutrient absorption and could adversely affect the probiotic bacteria. If she is going to drink the matcha then it needs to be done away from supplements and probiotics.

      Green tea does have benefits, such as the antioxidant effect. Unfortunately those same antioxidants can interfere with nutrient, supplement and medicine absorption.

      And the high fluoride content is also an issue. I prefer other teas such as jiaogulan, nettle leaf, rooibos, etc.

      Vitamin C should also be taken away from probiotics as the vitamin C could also harm the probiotics.

    • Hi Vickie,

      I support my kidneys’ filtering/cleansing function by taking occasionally doTERRA’s Zendocrine Detox Complex (herbal blend of dandelion roots, clove buds, burdock root, etc). I know also of essential oil blend of clove, rosemary, grapefruit and geranium that can do the same job as above. Also, Juniper Berry essential oil is a kidney oil. It can be applied topically or internally to support the kidneys. Let me know if you’re interested. Shot me an email at [email protected]. Nannette

        • Hi Bagsimon,

          You can find published health benefits of essential oils and herbs at Pub-Med.gov, plenty of them. It is good to be cautious but don’t close your eyes completely about these products because you miss a lot through sheer lack of credible information and understanding.

          In such a situation, the challenge is to find an honest supplier. Thankfully, in a wold geared to sole profit, there are still a few out there who could be trusted.

          Sincerely,

          Nannette

        • I disagree with you. Aromatic oils for health are real and I am a living testimony. I will not give the name of the company but I have been taking a few drops of Thieves every night since March of 2013 and have not gotten sick once. I also put a drop of cloves essential oil in my tea and Roma hot drinks. One time I was in someone’s kitchen in the winter so all the windows and doors were closed. She started smoking and after an hour I had to leave. My throat felt irritated. I put less than a nano-drop of this Thieves on my fingertip and stuck it down my throat. In an instant everything cleared up and never returned. Also, I had a slight histamine reaction to some unknown thing and I took an empty gelatin capsule and added four drops each of Lavender, Lemon, and Peppermint. Then swallowed it. This acts as a natural anti-histamine. No more symptoms. OK, so much for the remarks about condemning essential oils. They are great and lots of companies make real good ones.

          • Christine, that is some good information you gave, along with your experiences.

            It is SO important for us to know that science and the medical establishment will ALWAYS lag behind the truth about health and healing……and the truth of how to heal ourselves of anything is available to all.

        • Oh bee ess, she may be spamming but to say essential oils for health are a hoax is just ignorant. Just one example, essential oil of Oregano kills parasites. That alone makes you full of it. I suppose all botanical herbs are “for health” are a hoax too, EH? Note (?) many pharmaceuticals are synthesized compounds based on phyto-chemicals. Sweeping generalizations much?

    • Vickie, what I find very helpful is fresh celery juice. I take one whole bunch and pulverise it in my blender and then pass it to my juicer. I keep it in the fridge and drink it regularly.

      When I first started using this I drank a complete celery bunch every day for quite a few days—don’t remember exactly how long, but it was at least a week in length. Now I probably down two bunches a week and I use another one or more in my cooking as well.

      The improvements I found was an ease and strength in urine flow. There were other indicators but it is so long ago since I began this protocol that I do not remember. When I go off it, it takes months for problems to re-occur, but I have learned my lesson and it is a mainstay to my health.

      Here are 2 sites I just found in a Google search that you might find interesting:
      http://juicing-for-health.com/basic-nutrition/healing-vegetables/health-benefits-of-celery.html
      http://www.kidney-cares.org/ckd-nutrition-recipe/1246.html
      Namaste and care,
      mhikl

  51. Maybe there in USA alkaline is myth, here in Germany, if u get ill, your doctor first test your body acidness, then if its high, you must first make your body alkaline, then come back for medicaments. Usually 90% dont come back to doctor, because illness is gone when body is alkaline.

    • So why would acidosis be so common in Germany and EXTREMELY rare in the rest of the world?

      And why is it that so much disease only occurs in an acidic body in Germany yet in the rest of the world mos disease occurs in the normally alkaline blood bodies?

      • Because in Germany many people think “Naturopaths” are doctors and many doctors use naturopathic nonsense to to get the patient to make lifestyle changes, which the patients would not believe in if the doctor told them the truth… that it is their own fault for eating wrong, drinking to much and exercising too little. If you tell the patient their malaise is his own fault he will go to someone else. If you tell them its toxins and acid, they are more likely to follow the advice about diet and exercise.

        • Yes, Bangsimon, it is so much better when doctors, who are ignorant as to the cause of an ailment, prescribe pharmaceuticals to mask symptoms rather than use any of that “naturopathic nonsense” to deal with the root cause.

        • Here is this country naturopaths actually have a lot more medical training than MDs. In fact, i know quite a few MDs that went and got the additional training to become naturopaths because allopathic medicine has a ton of flaws in their thinking and approach to what they call “healing”.

          Regardless, what someone is told is not going to change their pH. So the question remains why is acidosis supposedly so common in Germany and so rare in the rest of the world?

      • PaleoHuntress has is correct.

        You are not going to alkalize by taking supplements or through diet. The body’s main means of pH regulation is through respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention or elimination by the kidneys. This accounts for virtually all pH regulation in the body and why you will likely never meet anyone who has acidosis.

        When people try to force their pH one way or the other all they do is put more stress on the body as the body now has to work harder to deal with the imbalance the people are actually creating.

        • Heres an interesting study. It agrees with my experience, the other day I was working under the hot sun all day with a guy 20 years younger than me. Despite eating no breakfast or lunch(only taking some alkaline electrolytes), I felt fine. He got heat stroke at one point, lips white, losing vision and had to sit out the rest of the day. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3186938
          You really should spend a little while searching on pubmed for studies looking at anion gap or low urinary PH, it might surprise you.
          Here’s another little gem
          http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/2/415S.full
          “The skeletons of land vertebrates contain a massive reserve of alkaline mineral (hydroxyapatite), which is ultimately available to buffer metabolic H+ if acid-base balance is not maintained within narrow limits. The negative impact of acidosis on the skeleton has long been known but was thought to result from passive, physicochemical dissolution of bone mineral. This brief, selective review summarizes what is now known of the direct functional responses of bone cells to extracellular pH. We discovered that bone resorption by cultured osteoclasts is stimulated directly by acid. The stimulatory effect is near-maximal at pH 7.0, whereas above pH 7.4, resorption is switched off. In bone organ cultures, H+-stimulated bone mineral release is almost entirely osteoclast-mediated, with a negligible physicochemical component. Acidification is the key requirement for osteoclasts to excavate resorption pits in all species studied to date, and extracellular H+ may thus be regarded as the long-sought osteoclast activation factor. Acid-activated osteoclasts can be stimulated further by agents such as parathyroid hormone, 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol, and receptor activator of nuclear factor κB ligand.”
          That agrees with the PH range of 6.9-7.4 of intracellular fluid that accounts for 70% ish of the human bodies fluids.

          • Bo Jangles: “Here’s another little gem”

            The study is being misinterpreted.

            They are talking primarily about the acids released by bone cells that are involved in the bone remodeling process. This is essential to maintaining proper bone health and strength.

            There is also a major error in the study where they assume bones are a major pH buffer. Bones are only used as a very last resort and therefore would require such severe and prolonged acidosis that the person would be on their death bed. Acidosis itself is extremely rare and acidosis that bad is even more rare. So rare that most doctors will never see such as case that severe in their entire careers.

      • Sounds like you are referring to hyperthermia, which has been around since about the 1960s.

        The process used radiofrequencies to heat up and literally cook the tumors. Since tumors cannot dissipate heat as efficiently as healthy tissue only the tumor gets cooked.

  52. I have osteoporosis and I have been reading and researching alternative methods of treating it, rather than using the pharmaceutical drugs like Fosamax etc. I’ve been studying this issue for about a year. So much of what I have learned convinced me that an alkaline diet was the key. So, imagine how interesting I found this article which debunks the theory. One of my particular issues is that when I’ve had the 24hr urine test done, I am losing more calcium in my urine than normal. I was guessing this was due to an acidic body/diet. Even though I’ve increased my vegetables and eat a relatively healthy diet; no processed foods, I am still excreting more calcium in my urine than the normal range. One Dr. suggested that I start taking even more calcium but that didn’t seem necessarily wise to me. I take supplements and I eat tons of kale, broccoli, etc Any ideas anyone?

    • First of all eating a lot of kale is not a good idea since it is high in oxalic acid, which binds calcium preventing its absorption.

      As for why you are losing so much calcium the main reasons for this are hyperparathyroidism and pseudohyperparathyroidism.

      Did the doctor check your parathyroid hormone (PTH) levels?

    • Hi Jessie.

      I agree with James.

      I had a high blood calcium and high urinary calcium. A high PTH level confirmed hyperparathyroidism caused by a benign parathyroid tumor.

      All was resolved with a simple surgery to remove the one affected parathyroid gland ( most people have 4)

      I had my surgery done by Dr Norman @ http://parathyroid.com because no one in my area was doing the type of procedure that he was doing with minimal scarring.

      • These benign parathyroid tumors that cause hyperparathyroidism have been linked to low vitamin D levels. I would try supplementing with Vitamin D3 and NO supplemental calcium before I would undergo surgery.

        Supplementing with magnesium malate or citrate can also help counter side effects of high calcium.

  53. Hi James, Thanks for your willingness to share what you have found out about the acid-alkaline effect upon Osteoporosis. It has reached me in Australia. This subject is far more than just an intellectual discussion to me. I have been diagnosed with osteoporosis, and I have decided not to take the prescribed drugs, because of their serious side effects. Therefore, I need to understand my problem so that I can do some things to help myself. Up to reading your articles I thought that I could do something by following the acid- alkaline diet. However, you have shot that down. Now I do not have a reason for my problem such as an over acid diet that caused my body to rob minerals from my bones to keep my blood at the right ph level. Also, I do not have a plan of attacking my problem apart from taking several supplements to help me. I need a new reason why my body is naturally breaking down bone but not rebuilding it to the point that I on a road to diminishing bone density. Maybe I was deficient in K2, D3, magnesium, calcium, & other minor elements, and if I take them I will do all I need to do. Apart from not meeting the body’s Vitamin and mineral needs does science have another reason why peoples bones naturally break down but do not fully build up each cycle? This is what I need to know, and I am asking you have you seen any scientific info on this subject!

    • The effect of supplementation with alkaline potassium salts on bone metabolism: a meta-analysis.
      CONCLUSIONS:

      This meta-analysis confirms that supplementation with alkaline potassium salts leads to significant reduction in renal calcium excretion and acid excretion, compatible with the concept of increased buffering of hydrogen ions by raised circulating bicarbonate. The observed reduction in bone resorption indicates a potential benefit to bone health.

    • Hi, George, I too found I was suffering from severe Osteo at age 66. I’m now 69 and after my 3rd Dexascan I can say that things have improved, thanks to the diligent research of my partner, Cassie Bond (alkalinepaleodiet.com).
      I was a vegetarian for many years and then adhered to the Alkaline diet but Cassie discovered that the absence of K2 in my diet meant the adequate calcium I was receiving was not able to deposit on my bones. My Dexascan results taken annually are improving. I’m 70 this year. I am now on what we like to call the new Alkaline Diet.

    • Hi George,

      Calcium, magnesium, vitamin D and vitamin K will not reverse osteoporosis for a simple reason. A common misconception about osteoporosis is that this is a loss of bone minerals. A loss of bone minerals though is actually osteopenia or osteomalacia, not osteoporosis. Osteoporosis is the result of a a lack of bone collagen, which decreases mineral binding sites in bone. Without sufficient mineral binding sites bone density decreases.

      Bone collagen formation is dependent on the amino acids lysine, hydroxylysine, proline, hydroxyproline and glycine as well as vitamin C, silica and traces of copper and zinc as catalysts.

      The most common deficiencies that lead to a loss of collagen are silica and vitamin C.

      Most of our silica comes from insoluble plant fibers. Brans and seaweeds are especially good sources. Herbally I prefer bamboo, which is the richest herbal source of silica and nettle leaf. I avoid horsetail grass (shavegrass) due to its vasoconstrictive properties, which can be dangerous for some individuals such as diabetics, those with Raynaud’s, heart disease, etc.

      Silica is acid dependent for proper absorption since acid helps convert silica in to its absorbable form orthosilicic acid (OA). Stomach acid levels decline with age though, and stomach acid blockers, such as proton pump inhibitors, or stomach acid neutralizers such as antacids, baking soda, ionized alkaline water, calcium carbonate (oyster shell, coral, dolomite) and magnesium oxide/hydroxide (found in many supplements and Milk of magnesia) further decrease the conversion of silica in to OA. Many “aging” conditions are actually the result of OA deficiencies leading to a loss of collagen and the similar protein elastin.

      Silica is poorly absorbed due to the poor conversion of silica in to OA, which declines even more if acid levels decline. Due to poor absorption most silica supplements do not do a lot of good since most of the silica in the supplement is not absorbed and people are generally not very good at taking supplements more than once a day. I prefer to get silica from diatomaceous earth (DE) in water. Any silica from the DE that dissolves in to the water forms OA. And since people drink water throughout the day drinking the DE water guarantees more silica being absorbed since a little is absorbed with each drink of water. I discuss how to do this here:

      http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2800

      As for vitamin C I prefer naturally occurring vitamin C sources since they tend to be more stable and effective. An exception is camu camu, which is rather unstable. Great food sources include papaya, kiwis, mangoes, berries and peppers. Recommended herbal sources include acerola cherry, amla, rose hips and nettle leaf.

      James

  54. I’ve read that drinking Kombucha is not advised while on a Candida cleanse due to the high acidity and fermented sugars which supposedly feed the yeast in the gut. Is this probably true? Just started experimenting with maple syrup/baking soda blend to attract the yeast and kill them. Wondering if adding baking soda to kombucha will help attract and kill Candida? Also thinking that adding baking soda to Kombucha might disrupt the acidity and unfortunately kill the good bacteria though…. I’ve been working very hard for months on getting rid of the overgrowth, from diatomous earth, bentonite clay, antifungal herbs, lemon water, aloe vera, paleo low car diet, but it hasn’t gotten better. Should Kombucha be consumed and will baking soda help get rid of Candida?

    • Hi CD,

      Acids DO NOT feed Candida, they control Candida.

      In short, Candida is a dimorphic microbe meaning it can exist in two forms. In the normal acidic environment the Candida growth gene is turned off and the Candida remains in its BENIGN yeast form. When our acid producing flora, which keep the Candida under control, are reduced the terrain becomes alkaline turning on the Candida growth gene and morphing the Candida in to its PATHOGENIC fungal from. This later state caused by the excess alkalinity is known as candidiasis. When the Candida morphs in to its fungal form from the alkalinity the Candida forms finger-like projections known as hyphae that allow the Candida to dig in to tissues causing tissue damage and inflammation.

      This is why antibiotics lead to fungal Candida infections because they kill the beneficial acid forming flora alkalizing normally acidic tissues. This alkalinity then leads to candidiasis. Probiotics and prebiotics are used to treat candidiasis because they restore the natural acidity to these tissues thereby once again halting the Candida growth and converting the Candida back in to its benign yeast form. See:

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1452732#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1452739#i

      http://curezone.info/forums/fm.asp?i=1452747#i

      http://medproductreview.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/using-probiotics-to-treat-candida-yeast-infections/

      Using baking soda is not going to help at all. Whether you mix it in the tea or ingest it the baking soda the baking soda is simply going to be neutralized by acids and therefore will no longer be baking soda.

      Also keep in mind that many things are claimed to work based on Petri dish studies. But what happens in a Petri dish is not always the same as what happens in the body. There is no evidence that ingesting baking soda will control Candida.

      James

  55. I was encouraged to post and seek comment when I saw the dates on this article. I generally only seem to come across things posted ages ago. I have been struggling for some time now to grasp the true effects of acid/alkaline diets. Looking to add more probiotics to my diet, I started making my own kombucha about a year ago, but I struggled with the idea of drinking something acidic in order to lower my ph. I have a ph meter for canning so I started testing my urine ph. The numbers were disturbingly low (ie highly acidic). I understand that my blood ph will be kept within a tight range, but my urine had very large swings in acidity. Which lead me to ponder whether my kidneys were possibly being overburdened trying to pull my ph into range. I wonder, James, if you would comment on this.

    Actually I’m hoping for your insights on two specific issues: 1) How is it possible that consuming things high in acid (ie lemon, apple cider vinegar, or kombucha) can work to alkalize us, and 2) Why shouldn’t a highly acidic urine be seen as an indication that our bodies are being asked to work extra hard to compensate?

    • I changed my urine ph from 5.5 to 8 in two weeks by drinking a glass of water with a level teaspoon of baking soda, the juice of half a lemon (squeezed by hand) and a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar…

      this was to assist the healing of a UTI. I am not sure how long the lowering of the h took but the tests were two weeks apart.

      I did not change my diet other than that and I eat a lot of sugar.

      • Rhys,

        What reaction did you see occur when you added the lemon and vinegar to the baking soda? It foamed and bubbled, right?

        Well, the drink you consumed was practically neutral– the acids and alkalines neutralized each other in the cup long before they could change anything in your body. <–(Were that not a myth.) You consumed a drink with some sodium and a little vitamin C and acetic acid, but even the vitamin C was reduced by the baking soda. After mixing the two together, if there were any such thing as acid or alkaline forming foods, both properties were neutralized, rendering them both useless.

        Urine pH has no correlation whatsoever to blood and tissue pH.

        • Thank you, for being one of the few who actually possesses common sense & a REAL education regarding this subject matter.

          So much anecdotal information floating around out there that people claim is “evidence”, I’ve been fighting this fight for YEARS and it just keeps getting worse and worse as time goes on.

      • Rhys,

        Bacterial urinary tract infections are detected by a urine analysis because the bacteria alkalize the urine for their survival. They do this by secreting the enzyme urease to increase urinary ammonia alkalizing the urine.

        Adding lemon juice and/or vinegar to baking soda simply neutralizes the baking soda. The lemon juice will form primarily sodium citrate and sodium malate. The vinegar reacts with the baking soda forming sodium acetate, the flavoring for salt and vinegar potato chips.

        James

    • Hi De Aun,

      Urinary pH does fluctuate normally. It is affected by hydration levels, certain supplements and medications, exercise, things in diet or by degradation of food products and by bacteria in the urine.

      As for the acid foods question, they don’t. This myth stems from the fact that the so-called “alkaline response” is a normal part of the digestive process. But somewhere along the lines the supporters of the “alkaline diet” myth twisted this fact to make it sound like only acids stimulate this response and that this somehow alkalized the blood. Neither claim though is true.

      All foods are made acidic or more acidic in the stomach as part of the normal digestive process. When the chyme (partially digested food, stomach acid and enzymes) is released from the stomach in to the intestines the pancreas releases sodium bicarbonate to neutralize the acid. This is the “alkaline response”. Therefore, the neutralization of acidity is only in the intestine, not the blood. And it does not matter if you eat greens, or steak or candy bars, or………. you will still get the same exact alkaline response.

      As for your last question, a highly acidic urine is only an issue if it is higher than a normal acidity, which is below 4.6. This can be from something like diabetic ketoacidosis or starvation.

      James

  56. What a relief! Now I can go back to drinking soda pop with reckless abandon and forget organic green smoothies. Thanks for clarifying how nutrition has nothing to do with acidic levels in your blood. Now to find a Dr. Pepper to add to my whiskey.

    • What a completely ignorant comment that was!!!!

      I guess some people still have not caught on to the fact that even though you cannot alkalize the blood through diet the so-called “alkaline diet” is still healthy due to the higher nutritional levels including the high level of beneficial acids!!!

      • Someone’s sarcasm detector clearly needs fine tuning. Did you consider that the comment might have been made as a retort to the tone of the article? Why spend so much energy making the inane point how blood alkalinity is maintained at a constant level regardless of what you ingest? If an alkaline diet is beneficial (and I strongly believe that it is), why build a case suitable for a trial lawyer to prove an esoteric point that leads a casual reader to think alkalinity is not important in nutrition? Was that just to show off biochemistry acumen? If one believes organic green smoothies are better for overall health functioning than soda pops and alcohol, why not spend time writing an article that directly supports that premise?

        • Why make such a stupid statement in the first place? Did your comment serve some actual purpose other than to sound stupid?

          For some reason though the supporters of the mythical “alkaline diet” keep using the same stupid statement. It is like they have some make the same dumb response playbook and they are going to play it out exactly.

          As for diet, what is good for one person is not going to be exactly good for another person. And many of the so-called “healthy foods” are not always as healthy as people think. For example, how many people are aware of the fact that flax seed is nearly 4 times higher in thyroid suppressing phytoestrogens than raw soy? And even higher compared to fermented or cooked soy? Point is that it would take way more than a little article to cover the topic of what is considered a healthy diet. Maybe a book or two might cover a good majority of the topic.

          • Stupid, huh? Nice intelligent retort. Very thoughtful. You know, being constipated can make one especially grouchy. You might consider increasing the roughage in your diet, say for example with more green smoothies. From a blender, not a juicer. Think of that pulp as scrubbing bubbles for the colon. Not sure what to suggest about the judgmental attitude. Perhaps more meditation for you, grasshopper.

    • TG…..I got your humor and I was trying to think of something to say to add to your sarcasm.

      I was also going to warn you that there may be small number of people that won’t get it. I’m too late. Now you know.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Your next serious point is right on, plus you don’t have to only ‘believe’ the so-called, alkaline diet is beneficial, ….it IS beneficial. Without question.

      Fortunately, I believe most people that read this blog, see it for what it really is and won’t be negatively influenced.

      • Thanks, Dennis. I appreciate that. Speaking of Organic Green Smoothies, I have to give props to rawfamily.com for great recipes (no, I don’t work for rawfamily.com or are affiliated in any way; just a fan). I also found Sergei’s 30 day green smoothie challenge where his youtube videos show a different recipe each day. http://bit.ly/1sFllAf

        Good stuff!

        Greg

        P.S. Adding coconut water instead of plain water makes them especially delicious!

  57. James,
    good article!

    I’m sad to see how many people are brain dead blindly trusting US government (or any government) and “official” studies.

    It is probably a big surprise for many alkaline folks to know that there are other countries on the planet and other studies in many different languages.

    US is the only country where they promote and sell alkaline-only water machines.
    In Japan, Russia or EU you get dual action machines (acidic/alkaline).

    They even call them “Live” (acidic) and “Dead” (alkaline) water machines.

    Don’t be lazy! Learn other languages like Russian, German or Mandarin, for example.
    You will find out why do you need both types of water and foods, plus so much more…

  58. Hi!
    I would simply like to let tell you left out some very important information in your article. Even though there are pH buffers in our blood, they do not correct our blood’s pH INSTANTANEOUSLY, so if you’re eating food that causes excess positive hydrogen ions in your blood all day every day, your blood is indeed going to be too acidic for a good part of the day, every day. Also, it would be an abusive use of your bloods buffers, which is energy demanding and could lead your body to fail at making enough of it or making it properly. It could also indeed cause your body to look for material to make buffers in places you don’t want it to, if it’s abused. Just like you shouldn’t eat too much sugar just because your body can produce insulin, because you’ll abuse it, and it can lead you to diabetes.
    It is not a myth that it is a good thing to eat properly in order to keep your blood’s pH balanced without having to abuse the mechanisms that your body uses to keep homeostasis constant.
    That is something you should have mentioned it your article, if you really wanted to make sure people would not be misguided.
    Thank you! (and sorry for my bad english)
    Have a nice day!

    Ben

    • Ben: “Even though there are pH buffers in our blood, they do not correct our blood’s pH INSTANTANEOUSLY, so if you’re eating food that causes excess positive hydrogen ions in your blood all day every day, your blood is indeed going to be too acidic for a good part of the day, every day. ”

      This is not true. The body’s main means of pH regulation is respiration. If the blood starts to become acidic at all the respiration increases to decrease the acidity instantly. If the blood becomes too alkaline the respiration slows down or even stops temporarily to allow an immediate increase in acidity to bring the pH back to normal.

      Ben: “Also, it would be an abusive use of your bloods buffers, which is energy demanding and could lead your body to fail at making enough of it or making it properly.”

      Again, the body’s main means of pH regulation is simply breathing. The second in line is the elimination or retention of hydrogen ions (protons) through the kidneys. These account for virtually all pH regulation in the body and neither of these require the production of buffers by the body that can be depleted.

          • Hello James,

            Hope you have a great new year. I have little understanding of pH regulation in the body and how it may or may not help the human body.

            But then I thought the idea should not be to get into technicalities, but to look at which of these food groups (alkaline vs acidic) has healthier foods. There is some classification on this page – http://greenopedia.com/alkaline-acid-food-chart I am sure google god would lead readers to others.

            Needless to say, alkaline food camp has lesser items which are processed or meat products. I think that says everything! One should not miss out on the larger picture.

            • Andy,

              I have pointed out various times that the benefits of the so-called “alkaline diet” are from the higher nutritional value. The diet DOES NOT alkalize the blood or tissues as so many people falsely believe.

              James

          • hi
            I liked your comments james. about PH I’m interested in health and nutrition from a personal standpoint as I’ve had adrenal fatigue and sugar addiction issues. I’m even putting together a short article for my blog to sharre with others

            I’ve heard both sides of the ph issue but my question concerns something I heard about terminally ill cancer patients. The cancer wards for the terminally ill supposedly smell like ammonia. Can this be because the bodys going thru it’s last stages of shutting down ie the organs are failing and giving out the smell. Has nothing to do I assume with the ph of the body and I’ve heard esp paleo people that It’s an last ditch attempt of the body to get rid of the cancer by changing its ph. What are your thoughts on this subject. Thanks

            rudy ferrara

            • Hi Rudy,

              I have spent a lot of time working in cancer wards and never experienced the ammonia smell some people claim.

              If there is an ammonia smell from a patient I would suspect liver failure since ammonia levels can reach toxic levels in cases of liver failure.

              James

      • Respiration is primarily for oxygen / carbon dioxide interchange which is why you can’t breathe your way out of diabetic ketoacidosis.

      • Yeah, even though you were just debunked Ben, this person still believes in what she believes in so she totally agrees with you.

        I read this article with no previous knowledge of either camp. Now I know so much more about it because I bothered to look at both sides. I’ll have to go with the evidence which is that Ben is wrong.

        • How have I been debunked?
          It did forget to mention respiration, but I also didn’t say it wasn’t true.
          My point is still valid. Your body’s means to keep the balance is like an air bag; you’re glad it’s there but you’d prefer not to have to use it. Hyperventilating or choking to correct your blood’s ph because you use respiration as an excuse to have an unbalanced diet is unwise.
          Like I said, why not also eat a lot of refined sugar until you become diabetic and realise you can abuse your body, also eat a lot of unhealthy fats until you realise your weight is a problem and you can also abuse your body that way. My point was simply that there is some important information missing in this post, it should’ve been added, unless the objective wasn’t t inform people so they can make better choices.

          • You don’t have to hyperventilate or choke to maintain your proper pH. The body maintains that on its own primarily through normal respiration. If you hyperventilate you throw off your pH, causing the blood vessels to constrict from the alkalinity and you pass out from a lack of blood flow to the brain. When you pass out respiration slows or even stops temporarily to restore the proper pH by building CO2 levels back up. If you are choking and cannot breathe this will lead to an excess build up of CO2 and hydrogen ions. If the ability to breathe is restored respiration will be increased temporarily to blow off that excess CO2 and hydrogen ions until the proper pH is restored then the respiration slows back down to normal.

            • First with TG and now with me, you really are bad with people, and with explaining what you think you know. That was sarcasm James, I know the blood’s pH doesn’t cause sudden hypoventilation or hyperventilation.
              That’s the point, when people eat junk they usually don’t compensate by working out or entering in deep medidation. after eating, you won’t start breathing faster to regulate your pH because even though you need to balance it, you don’t need the extra oxygen/hyperventilation. If you’re at rest The kidneys do most of the work most of the time (and that needs proper hydration too).
              Acidosis is real, Renal tubular acidosis is real, you CAN abuse your system defense, slowly or rapidly.
              You didn’t address that, you just give some partial information (misinformation) to try to debunk the supposed myth of ingestion-pH balance. Anyway good luck James! I’m done with this thread.

              • Ben,

                You obviously do not understand how things really work in the body so let me try to give you a very basic explanation in regards to the topic.

                You mention when people eat “junk”. But the fact is that ALL foods, even greens are metabolized in to acids in the long run. So junk foods don’t make you any more acidic than any other food including greens. This is part of the reason that the whole “alkaline diet myth” is just that, a myth.

                Secondly, if the blood does start becoming too acidic then your respiration will increase automatically. See, we don’t need to think about breathing, our breathing is regulated all by itself without our having to think about it.

                And just because respiration increases this does not mean the person is hyperventilating. A person can have an increase of 16 to 20 respiration per minute and this is still an increase even though it is not hyperventilation. Generally, fluctuations in our blood pH are very slight and so only require slight variations in the respiratory rate to make adjustments

                As far as your claim about acidosis being real, nobody ever claimed it was not. All I said is that true acidosis is EXTREMELY rare due to all the redundant systems the body has to maintain its normal pH. Respiration being the primary means.

                It is not that hard to understand. All you have to do is a little actual research to verify all this. Here are a few articles I wrote a while back explaining this:

                https://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-3-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-1/

                https://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-2-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-2/

                • It’s pointless telling me that you think I don’t understand how things really work in the body, I think the same of you.
                  Not to mention we’re not talking about how things work in the body, but only about one very specific thing.
                  You’re wrong, not all food is acid-forming, not even ultimately in the long run. Breathing is not always enough, not for those who abuse acid-forming junk. The buffer systems can be overworked. This can cause health problems such as kidney stones. I really don’t find a lot of literature that support your claims, especially the “there is no alkaline-forming food”. Now, your immense immaturity and “no lifeness”, expressed through your constant replying to every comment here in a very immature way with insults, and by not admitting that you don’t know everything, that you might be wrong, that you don’t address a lot of things in regards to this topic, makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously, including when you say you’re a health professionnal. If you are one, you’re the kind I would never consult, and would never recommend. You’re like a child. You could say I’m immature too, even though I only reply to your replies directed to me, not to every single comment here, and I don’t use insults, but most of all, I don’t have to be credible here cause and I don’t pretend to be a health professionnal and some sot of authority in the subject, so nobody as the rely on me or on what I say. Also, I am indeed still an undergrad teen. But what’s your excuse? Even I can point out all that is wrong or incomplete in what you said here. Honestly, I think you’re quite lame.
                  I said I was done with this thread, I thought you would understand it was pointless to keep replying to me, but I see I have to make it clear for you: Please don’t reply anymore, its pointless.
                  Again, sorry for my bad English, good luck and, I suggest you rethink your attitude and life in general.
                  Don’t believe anyone that tells you you cannot get smarter and better as a person!
                  Good bye!

                • Ben: “You’re wrong, not all food is acid-forming, not even ultimately in the long run. ”

                  I’m not wrong at all. Tell you what, name even one specific food that does not get metabolized in to acids and I will show you why you are wrong.

                  Ben: “Breathing is not always enough, not for those who abuse acid-forming junk.”

                  Again, ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. And many of the so-called “alkaline foods” already have an acidic pH to begin with.

                  Ben: “The buffer systems can be overworked. This can cause health problems such as kidney stones. ”

                  It is almost impossible to overwork the buffer systems. That is why acidosis is so extremely rare.

                  Also, if you use a little common sense here. You will generate more acid from heavy exercise that you do from the acids formed from eating a salad or steak. Does this mean exercise is dangerous for the health? Does exercise cause kidney stones?

                  Also keep in mind that alkalinity can cause kidney stones as well.

                  Ben: “You’re like a child. You could say I’m immature too”

                  I did not have to since you already pointed out that fact yourself and as is evidenced by your long drawn out childish tirade.

                  But neither of us are the topic. So let’s get back on topic by your answering my questions above and I will explain the facts.

    • Hi Ben,

      I just wanted to drop in and say I support you in believing choosing an alkaline diet can alter your health drastically. Recently a 60 yr old male coworker of mine was going through stage 3 colon cancer and was being treated at Roswell Park Institute. After going through extensive chemo with no improvement he was given 6 months to live. He decided to take his health into his own hands, and after some research decided to 1 ) adopt an alkaline diet 2 ) exercise rigorously to send oxygen to cells and 3 ) cut out all sugar from his diet. After some time, his health improved but following a clinical evaluation, his results were withheld. It became a battle he wasn’t expecting just to receive his results but eventually, one of the head doctors at Roswell reluctantly gave him his cancer free diagnosis. He beat his cancer and nobody wanted him to know it. Since then he has begun studying law so that other people don’t have to fight as hard as he did to prove that cancer is treatable by natural means.

      The moral of the story is don’t let these kinds of articles fool you. There is a major giant out there that only makes money when people are sick and destitute. It is an industry, not a practice.

      A

      • Once again, nobody claimed the so-called “alkaline diet” is not good. We only pointed out that the diet DOES NOT alkalize the body. The benefits of this diet actually come from the higher level of nutrition, which includes various beneficial ACIDS!!!!!

        • Big difference in natural healthy sugars and GMO sugars….seem to like to argue about anything… I will never bet my life on your nonsence….you must believe in chemo…radiation and Big Pharma too…Dead Doctors never lie…..good luck…

          • My post said nothing about sugars. Why do people keep making up crap about something never said. Are they just that desperate for attention?

            And NO, I do not believe in chemo, radiation or big pharma. I have written extensively and done videos explaining the massive quackery behind these numerous times.

      • Alexander,
        It is great that your friend “beat” cancer. It is likely that eliminating sugars from his diet and regular exercise were what “cured” him, not some fad “alkaline” diet.
        The ketogenic diet has had amazing results similar, with focus on high quality fats and elimination of all sugars.

        • Eliminating sugar does not cure cancer for several reasons.

          One is that virtually anything you eat, including meats contain sugar. Secondly, if you body needs sugar it simply produces it. And finally, cancer cells can use other fuel sources other than sugars. This includes some amino acids, lactate and ketones.

          • It may help other readers here (and maybe even James) to watch Thomas Seyfried: Cancer: A Metabolic Disease With Metabolic Solutions available on You Tube
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEE-oU8_NSU
            THE IHMC have other videos providing more information relevant for those fighting cancer
            Dominic D’Agostino: Metabolic Therapies: Therapeutic Implications and Practical Application
            Colin Champ: Augmenting Cancer Therapy with Diet

            You can also learn more by reading
            “Starvation of Cancer via Induced Ketogenesis and Severe Hypoglycemia” Adam Kapelner and Matthew Vorsanger
            available online free here
            http://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.7622.pdf

            • Ted,

              I am not going to sit through a nearly hour long video and try to guess what point you are trying to make. If you want to debate something specific about cancer then be specific in your claims and stop posting vague references that supposedly support your vague claims.

              I did skip through a little of the video though and found the guy really does not have a clue about cancer when he first claimed Warburg was right when Warburg’s hypotheses were disproven decades ago. Note I said hypotheses. Warburg NEVER made those claims as fact. He merely hypothesized (an educated guess) about cancer cells having a respiratory defect and producing all their energy from glycolysis. Again, these hypotheses were disproven decades ago. Today we know that cancer cells derive at least 50% of their energy production from oxidative phosphorylation. In fact, just like healthy cells cancer cells utilize both glycolysis and oxidative phosphorylation for energy production.

              And even more when he started claiming cancer cells “ferment lactic acid”. First of all lactic acid is not fermented it is a byproduct of fermentation. But not in cancer cells, which DO NOT secrete lactic acid. They secrete lactate, which IS NOT the same thing. In fact, look at the chart he shows at 23:49. Do you see the words “lactic acid” anywhere? Of course not. But we do clearly see the word “lactate”, which is what is being released. Yet even with this chart he still continues to erroneously stating “lactic acid”, then goes on further erroneously claiming that the non-existent lactic acid is making the microenvironment around the tumor acidic. Again, this acidic microenvironment is due to a build up or protons, not non-existent lactic acid nor non-acidic lactate. This guy needs to stop getting his information from the 1930s and get current in his research!

              We don’t build up lactic acid either during exercise either as he implies. Again, we build up lactate. The “burn” is from a build up of hydrogen ions (protons), not lactic acid. Another hypothesis that was disproven decades ago.

              One thing he did get right is that viruses can cause cancer. But NOT from interfering with the respiration cycle of cells. Cancer viruses have been shown to lead to cancer through altering or genes to turn off apoptosis, increasing growth hormone output and by turning off tumor suppressor genes.

              He is also overlooking the fact that ROS also kill cancer cells. This is the basis for most chemo drugs and for radiation therapy, which kill cancer cells in the well oxygenated regions of tumors through ROS generation. These therapies are ineffective in the hypoxic regions of tumors due to the inability to generate ROS.

              And what in the hell is he talking about our immune cells fusing to cancer cells leading to metastases?!!!!!! First of all our immune cells have a very difficult time even detecting cancer cells, which is why they can grow from a single cancer cell in to a tumor in the first place. One of the main reasons for this is the formation of HCG coatings that shield the tumor from the immune system. Anyway, back to the point. Metastases is the result of proteolytic enzymes that are activated by the acidity from the hydrogen ions (protons) released by the cancer cells during their energy production.

              He also falsely claims that the cancer cells cannot utilize the ketones. I already posted the titles of more current research disproving his hypothesis. Cancer cells can and do in fact utilize ketones as a fuel source.

              I am not going to sit here and address every mistake this guy is making because he is relying on antiquated research. So again, if you want to debate this subject then use your own words to state your opinion instead of posting links to other people’s claims where I have to guess as to what the point is you are trying to make.

              James

  59. James,
    You are sounding very defensive!
    I was recently diagnosed with a return of Prostate Cancer. This was found after 4 years of a rise in mt PSA from Post Prostatectomy of 0 to 1.18. Established medicine, of which you subscribe,wanted to perform 42 Radiation treatments over a period of 7 weeks. I chose the PH Diet and after 3 weeks my PSA dropped from 1.18 to 1.04. I have remained on the diet and I am due for my next blood test in a week.
    When is your profession going to stop killing people with old methods that don’t work just so you can take the money from the drug companies.

    • John: “You are sounding very defensive!”

      Gee, why would I become defensive sounding when there are so many fools on here trying to make this personal against me instead of sticking to the topic of the blog article? And when they keep falsely accusing me of being associated with allopathic medicine when I have been working in HOLISTIC medicine for the last 24 years?!!!!

      John: “I was recently diagnosed with a return of Prostate Cancer. This was found after 4 years of a rise in mt PSA from Post Prostatectomy of 0 to 1.18. Established medicine, of which you subscribe,wanted to perform 42 Radiation treatments over a period of 7 weeks. I chose the PH Diet and after 3 weeks my PSA dropped from 1.18 to 1.04. I have remained on the diet and I am due for my next blood test in a week.”

      And once again, I DO NOT subscribe to “established medicine” so stick to the topic instead of trying to make this personal.

      By the way PSA counts are garbage. They can rise for a variety of reasons including BPH, infection and even caffeine!!!

    • Have you ever heard of the phrase; “post hoc ergo propter hoc”?

      Look it up, and stop trying to pretend to yourself that you can generalise from one case to another.

      You apparent positive seeming change my have nothing to do with your diet.

  60. Hi James. I’ve been reading nutritional info since I was 16. I’m 58 now. I agree with you. Thanks for the info!
    Anyways, could you advise me as how to make a facial toner using citric acid.

    Thank you,
    Helen

    • Hi Helen,

      I have not mixed this in quite a while but if I recall right I was using a quarter teaspoon of the citric acid in a gallon of water. You don’t want it strong as fruit acids can be irritating to the skin if too concentrated and the skin only needs to be slightly acidic to keep healthy.

      James

  61. The lower the ph the more acidic stuff is the higher the ph it is it becomes a base people dont seem to realize 7 is a ok ph its neutral a strong base is dangerous look at bleach get some on you and do nothing about it your skin could start peeling off

  62. James,

    I read some of your comments and am especially interested in the one where you talk of hydroxides. I make magnesium water from magnesium hydroxide and carbonated water and use it regularly. I’m wondering now if this is safe after seeing your comments. I do dilute the magnesium bicarbonate with distilled water before drinking but am wondering if it might be working against me. I’ve been trying to correct a magnesium deficiency with the magnesium bicarbonate water. Now I’m thinking it may be creating other issues. Please give me you take on this. Thanks in advance.

    • Reacting the magnesium hydroxide with carbonic acid will form a magnesium carbonate and carbonates are a lot safer than the mineral hydroxides. Although both neutralize stomach acid, which is not a good thing, the carbonates are not caustic like the mineral hydroxides and do not chemically burn the tissues like the mineral hydroxides formed in ionized alkaline water or formed from mixing certain metal oxides in water.

      Overall though the best thing to do would be to mix the magnesium hydroxide with malic or citric acids to form magnesium malate or citrate. Both are found in lemon juice.

      Hydroxides and carbonates are very poorly absorbed to begin with. The acidified salts such as the malates and citrates are much better absorbed.

      • Also, another thing. Would you prefer to drink a mixture of 10grams magnesium hydroxide with 100gwater or 10g of potassium carbonate with water?…

        • I would not ingest either one. Both can be caustic.

          In fact, I have known for a long time that some forms of potassium salts could be corrosive to the stomach lining. In the earlier days of the medical establishment using potassium salts in treatment they found that some forms could actually burn a hole through the stomach. That is why the main sources of potassium seen on the market for ingestion are potassium chloride or potassium gluconate.

          • Ok, so tak a sodium carbonate (not bicarbonate) instead, compare it with magnesium hydroxide. Which mixture would you dring (assuming you HAVE to drink one)?…

    • Add some lemon juice to the magnesium carbonate and drink the solution . It won’t make your blood more alkaline 🙂 but will be absorbed more easily; though some studies ( http://www.jle.com/fr/revues/mrh/e-docs/study_of_magnesium_bioavailability_from_ten_organic_and_inorganic_mg_salts_in_mg_depleted_rats_using_a_stable_isotope_approach_267774/article.phtml?tab=texte )show that carbonates are absorbed quite good as well.

      Also, one thing in mind: the more magnesium in food, the lesser percentage of it is absorbed – so ensure you have a little magnesium in all foods you eat.

      There are also some

  63. I haven’t read all the comments, but i have read a lot. I am not a scientist but I have a laymans understanding of some things. James, you could be wrong. Science is and always will be flawed. True scientists talk in ‘odds’ and not ‘facts’. Just because your science doesn’t indicate something, it doesn’t mean it can not be. Placebo is most likely a very real ‘thing’. Faith in a lifestyle has strongly indicated positive results in many studies and this is probably as true of the blinkereed scientist as it is of the health fad fanatic. The truth is that we don’t really ‘know’ anything and everything falls in to infinite decreasing/increasing half lifes of posibility. I don’t trust the medical profession, the cancer charity industry, the meat and dairy (and food) industry or any establishment with financial/political interests in what I think, say and eat. What I am more likely trust is my own personal observations and the very impartial trials of this diet in the un-regulated real world. Wheather or not we can explain it with food-science or not at this point in time, if it’s improving people’s diet, lifestyle and quality of life then I think we should let it be and work out the science afterwards. MAny thanks xxx

    • Hi Keiron,

      “Could be wrong” is far from “am wrong”.

      Science is evolving all the time but we have to go with what science has “proven” at this point. Just because you think science is flawed does this mean that we should just claim gravity may not really exist? Maybe we should just regard all the claims made about healthy nutrition since science has proven this but according to you science is flawed. At what point do we stop throwing out all that science has taught us just because it MAY be flawed?

      I will agree that SOME science is flawed. For instance there are all sorts of manipulated medical studies out there. How do we know they are manipulated? Because science gives us the evidence to weed through what is real and what is obviously quack science.

      For example, there was a study that claimed vitamin C increased the risk of heart disease. Was this claim true or were the study results misinterpreted? How would we be able to tell the difference without science? Answer, we could not. So how did I know these study results were misinterpreted. Simple, science told me. According to the findings of the study the claim of increased risk of heart disease because it thickened the arterial wall. What science told me is that this was not a bad thing and it was not increasing the risk of heart disease. Vitamin C is needed for the formation of the structural proteins collagen and elastin in the blood vessels. This makes the arterial walls thicker so they can handle the higher pressure the arteries are exposed to and prevents aneurysm. The thicker walls DO NOT mean decreased circulation since the elastin allows the arteries to expand and contract to maintain proper circulation and blood pressure. Therefore, science told me that even though the walls were thickening just like they are supposed to for health of the artery this would not decrease circulation since the muscle of the blood vessel would simply relax to compensate.

      We should not fear science, we should embrace it and learn from it.

      As for the so-called alkaline diet as has been pointed out diet does not alkalize the blood. But this does not mean the so-called alkaline diet is bad. People benefit not from a pH adjustment but rather better nutrition, which includes a variety of beneficial acids.

      James

      • Two things I noticed: your first statement said eating alkaline foods to leave an acid ash. Not necessarily. Limes have a low pH but leave an alkaline ash. Also, thickening of the arteries is detrimental to cardio health in that the function of elastin depletes as we age and therefore it becomes more difficult for our bodies to compensate…leaving us with hardened thick arteries. I really enjoyed your chemical explainations on magic and citric acids!

        • Tomatoes and avocados also leave an alkaline ash. I would like to learn more about the different combinations of foods and how that changes the chemical process our bodies have to use in order to compensate for the types of foods we eat as individuals. I am sure it also very much depends on the activity level and lifestyle of the individual. I think it is nearly impossible to come up with a perfect set of guidelines for everyone to follow.

          • Morgan: “Tomatoes and avocados also leave an alkaline ash.”

            Again, the metabolism of foods DOES NOT leave an ash residue as is obtained by the thermal burning of foods used to create the ash that is being analyzed.

            Morgan: “I would like to learn more about the different combinations of foods and how that changes the chemical process our bodies have to use in order to compensate for the types of foods we eat as individuals.”

            Compensate for what? As pointed out there is NO such thing as an alkalizing food. ALL foods get metabolized in to acids. And pH is regulated almost exclusively through respiration followed by hydrogen ion retention or elimination by the kidneys. Not diet.

            • Morgan meant by ‘ash’, I guess, the metabolism products of lemons. Still, I won’t believe it until I see WHAT ‘ash’ is it.
              However – methyl alcohol is chemically neutral, but drink it and you can be sure of severe acidosis… so there MAY be some point in ‘alkaline ash’ theory. Not believing it though, unless I see WHAT metabolite of lemon is ‘alkalizing’ blood.

        • Morgan: “Two things I noticed: your first statement said eating alkaline foods to leave an acid ash”.

          I never said that. What I said is that the alkaline myth is based on the measurement of alkaline ash only. And that this is extremely misleading since it totally ignores the naturally occurring acids within these foods and the acids that ALL foods metabolize in to.

          Morgan: “Not necessarily. Limes have a low pH but leave an alkaline ash. ”

          Limes have a low pH because of the various acids in them, which again is not considered when foods are considered alkalizing. But these foods do not burn in the body in the same sense as they are burned to obtain the ash residue. So no, they do not leave an ash when digested.

          There is a lot of potassium in limes, but this DOES NOT alter the blood pH. First of all keep in mind that the potassium is going to react with stomach acid forming potassium chloride salt. The potassium is alkaline, but the chloride is acidifying. And has been pointed out so many times virtually all pH regulation is maintained by respiration followed by ion retention or elimination by the kidneys. Not by salts.

          People do often talk about the so-called “alkaline response” from ingesting citrus juices. Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the potassium in the citrus juice. In addition, this same exact alkaline response occurs with EVERY food you consume including steak, candy bars, lettuce, cake, etc. The alkaline response is nothing more than the release of pancreatic bicarbonate to neutralize the acid in chyme leaving the stomach as part of the normal digestive process. So again, this occurs with ALL foods.

          Morgan: “Also, thickening of the arteries is detrimental to cardio health in that the function of elastin depletes as we age and therefore it becomes more difficult for our bodies to compensate…leaving us with hardened thick arteries.”

          Not really.

          First of all the arteries need to be thicker for a very simple reason. They are subjected to much higher pressures than the veins. Without the thicker walls they are more prone to problems such as aneurysm and rupture.

          The loss of elastin comes primarily from the decline in stomach acid people tend to develop with age. This leads to less production and absorption of orthosilicic acid that is essential to the formation of collagen and elastin.

          “Hardening of the arteries” results from inflammation leading to the deposition of cholesterol that calcifies. One of the major factors that can lead to atherosclerosis is elevated homocysteine levels. And the most common causes of high homocysteine are low or absent stomach acid and hypothyroidism.

          Bottom line is that the arteries need to remain thick throughout our lives. And hardening of the arteries is really a separate issue from the natural and essential thickening of the arteries.

      • Long before science came along there were medicine men who cured many body ailments. They probably jacked a few up along the way in a trial and error manner, but still, healing properties were observed and used to cure disease… science has its value, but science around health is highly manipulated. Healthy people do not produce profits for the medical industry. Thus, things that truly improve health tend not to be studied or done so in a manner which can skew the perception of the truth. Your article fits, so I see why you were assumed to be allopathic. Great feedback for you.

        I for one, have witnessed 100′ s of anecdotal stories of massive health improvement through pH. My own health is top notch in every single test that can be run. I eat about 80% alkaline forming foods and drink alkaline water.

        The bogus thing I notice about your article is that you keep making it about blood pH. The point of an alkaline diet is to make the interstitial fluids of the body more alkaline. The blood pH is highly regulated, as you suggest. It’s not going to change much. Further, you don’t talk about the quality of blood on an alkaline diet.

        Many microorganisms form in the blood of a body that is too acidic and often the negative charge around the red blood cells is lost, causing them to clump up and distort in shape, making one feel more lethargic due to the lack of quality of the blood… alkaline forming foods create the opposite. Red blood cells are round and bounce off of each other with fewer microorganisms present.

        Debunking a pH diet based on blood pH alone is kinda like what a magician does when he directs your attention to only part of what he is doing to make something explainable look like magic. You aren’t even covering how an alkaline diet affects the body… just using one little piece of the puzzle which will never change much because the body self regulates it, and omitting what an alkaline diet actually does to improve health. It’s kinda shady. I feel bad for the people you are misleading. You make some true statements, but what you use as a means to debunk the value of managing body pH is misleading. Stop the magic tricks and give people sound information.

        Just goes to show you, anyone can write online and it doesn’t mean it’s true… this article has many truths in it, but a VERY faulty conclusion based on half truths. Dangerously misleading.

        • Excellent Amber. You’re the only person to allude to Zeta Potential of the blood – that is the state of the ionic charges – induced by mineral adsorption onto the three formed elements of the blood (white/red blood cells and platelets). Zeta potential determines the degree that red blood cells may either be optimally suspended and discrete or tend more toward coagulation. The blood is in CONSTANT flux. This is NOT classic blood chemistry – chemistry in terms of biochemical cascade reaction – but electrostatic. Old science actually. But overlooked in significance. Congrats on the some of the highest thinking I’ve seen in these comments over the months.

        • Amber: “science has its value, but science around health is highly manipulated.”

          Some is, but not all. And there is bogus information on both sides of the fence. For example, all the bogus information about being able to alkalize by diet, “liver flushes”, cesium chloride or “oleander soup” for cancer. All have been proven to be bogus.

          Amber: “I for one, have witnessed 100′ s of anecdotal stories of massive health improvement through pH.”

          Fantastic example of skewing science to fit a personal view.

          Amber: “My own health is top notch in every single test that can be run.”

          Wait, those tests are based on that manipulated science you talk about. So how do you know you are really healthy since you cannot base this on those manipulated tests? Or is science only acceptable when you feel it fits your view?

          Funny thing is that I am seen so many alkaline diet supporters claim that they are 100% healthy. But the more you question them all of a sudden they start taking about all their health problems.

          Amber: “I eat about 80% alkaline forming foods and drink alkaline water.”

          There is NO such thing as an alkaline forming food. As has been pointed out so many times ALL foods are metabolized in to acids. And many of the so-called “alkaline foods” are acidic already from their naturally occurring acids.

          As for alkaline water this does not alkalize the blood any more than the so-called “alkaline foods” that do not alkalize the blood either.

          Amber: “The bogus thing I notice about your article is that you keep making it about blood pH. The point of an alkaline diet is to make the interstitial fluids of the body more alkaline. ”

          How is it bogus when it is the blood and even more alkaline lymph that maintains the alkalinity of the interstitial fluid? This is a great example of why people need to stop relying on propaganda sites to get their health information and need to start getting their health information from real scientific sites.

          Amber: “The blood pH is highly regulated, as you suggest. It’s not going to change much. Further, you don’t talk about the quality of blood on an alkaline diet.”

          Yes, the blood pH, and thus the pH of interstitial fluid is highly regulated.

          And the blog article was about the alkaline myth, not the nutritional aspects of the so-called “alkaline diet”, which includes a number of beneficial acids we need to survive and function properly.

          Amber: “Many microorganisms form in the blood of a body that is too acidic and often the negative charge around the red blood cells is lost, causing them to clump up and distort in shape, making one feel more lethargic due to the lack of quality of the blood… alkaline forming foods create the opposite. ”

          More bogus claims found on various alkalizing propaganda sites.

          First of all most pathogens thrive in an ALKALINE environment. This is one of the reasons pathogen induced diseases still occur despite the fact that the blood is maintained in an alkaline state as even Amber admits.

          Pathogens elsewhere in the body also need alkalinity to survive and thrive. The ulcer and cancer causing pathogen Helicobacter pylori for example secretes highly alkaline ammonia to protect itself from the stomach’s acidity. The bacteria that lead to urinary tract infections use the enzyme urease to split urea forming the highly alkaline ammonia that creates the alkaline pH it needs to survive. The dimorphic microbe Candida albicans remains in its benign yeast form in an acidic environment. Acidity also turns off the Candida growth gene. In an alkaline environment the Candida growth gene is turned on and the Candida morphs in to its pathogenic fungal form. In this fungal form the Candida forms hyphae that allow the Candida to dig in and damage tissues. These are just a few examples of the numerous pathogens that rely on alkalinity to survive.

          As for the red blood cell clumping claim again this bogus claim is based on a real misunderstanding of human physiology. What this refers to is a process known as rouleaux. The claim being made here is the same as I saw on a video pushing goji (lycii) berries, so here is a copy of my response:

          “The clumping of the blood cells shown in the slide is known as rouleaux and has NOTHING to do with the blood being acidic or alkaline. Rouleaux most commonly occurs from dehydration, excessive sodium and some medications.

          Another company selling enzymes claims that the rouleaux is not from acidity but rather a lack of enzymes, which is also untrue. But of course they were selling the enzymes they claim you need just like this company is selling the goji berries at outrageous prices. You can buy these berries at China Town under the name lycii berry for a fraction of the cost.

          Also pay close attention to the slide where they claim the black spots are bacteria and cholesterol. Notice how they do not move when the red blood cells shift. This is because they are not in the blood, they are artifact on the slides. Again they are lying to their audience to sell their product.

          Then they claim the light colored centers of the red blood cells indicate anemia. More BS. They are lighter because if you ever look at the structure of red blood cells they are concave in the center making the cells thinner in the center and thus the light passes through the center easier.

          Note where they claim there are uric acid crystals in the blood but again they are not moving, which leads me to believe these are again artifact on the slide. Even if uric acid is present, which is in everyone, uric acid is one of the body’s primary antioxidants. Its present DOES NOT mean the blood is acidic. The uric acid is formed in everyone as a protective mechanism against the highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia. The ammonia is converted in to uric acid to protect the body from ammonia poisoning.

          Fungi in the blood is also EXTREMELY rare.

          Basically the video is loaded with lies and misrepresentations because its sole purpose is to push sales.”

          As we can see people twist real science all the time to make up whatever “facts” they feel fits their needs. This DOES NOT make those claims they are making up true.

          Amber: “Red blood cells are round and bounce off of each other with fewer microorganisms present.”

          Again, not true.

          Amber: “Debunking a pH diet based on blood pH alone is kinda like what a magician does when he directs your attention to only part of what he is doing to make something explainable look like magic.”

          Not at all. The topic was the myth of the alkaline diet, and so that is what was being discussed. If the topic was about the beneficial acids and other nutrients supplied by the so-called “alkaline diet” even though none of them alkalize the blood then those nutrients would have been discussed. Your analogy is like saying if someone is discussing rockets that they are diverting attention if they don’t discuss all the planets in the universe.

          Amber: “You aren’t even covering how an alkaline diet affects the body”

          Again, because that WAS NOT the topic!!!

          Amber: “and omitting what an alkaline diet actually does to improve health. It’s kinda shady. I feel bad for the people you are misleading. ”

          Some people really amaze me, and not for good reasons.

          Read the title of the articles so you can figure out what the topic of the article is.

          And how about your various misleading statements I addressed above?

          Amber:You make some true statements, but what you use as a means to debunk the value of managing body pH is misleading. Stop the magic tricks and give people sound information.”

          The information was sound. Just because it debunks what you read on various bogus propaganda sites this does not make Kessler’s information non-credible. The fact that anyone would think differently that what science has already proven only shown how gullible some people can be.

          Amber: “Just goes to show you, anyone can write online and it doesn’t mean it’s true…”

          Yes, what you posted is proof of that since the information you presented is bogus.

          Amber: “this article has many truths in it, but a VERY faulty conclusion based on half truths. Dangerously misleading.”

          If you are going to claim the article is full of dangerous half truths then why don’t you present REAL evidence to the contrary instead of just regurgitating the same bogus information you read somewhere on propaganda sites?

  64. IMHO the Alkaline Diet is a bit of a problem when you get right down to trying it out.

    All foods have different acid and alkaline mineral content, but the charts most websites offer don’t take into account that many so-called alkaline foods also have large amounts of acid-forming minerals or substances. A banana is a perfect example. Although high in potassium, it’s also loaded with fructose, a highly acidifying form of fruit sugar.

    We’ve been helping people over come this difficulty for years now. First step was to find a good source of alkaline food lists. The only one we found was Dr Susan E Brown’s Acid Alkaline Food Guide, because she has based her easy-to-use lists on the work of Dr Russell Jaffe, who spent countless hours measuring the acid/alkaline balance of foods, but also ‘calibrating’ his findings based not just on pH but also on the biological effect of the particular acid or alkali.

    We designed our Alkaline Food Chart based on their work.

    So if you look at my lunch yesterday, that I absolutely enjoyed, by the way, it may not look particularly alkaline balancing.

    Let’s take a look at yesterday’s lunch!

    1. Cos lettuce picked straight from our garden: Medium alkalizer
    2. Wild caught Salmon: Medium acidic
    3. Kalamata Olives: Medium acid-forming. If I’d chosen green olives, they would have been medium alkaline forming.
    4. Tiny Tom tomatoes from the garden: Low acid forming.
    5. Cucumber from the Farmers’ Market: Low alkaline forming ability
    6. Fresh Snow peas: Low alkaline forming ability
    7. Cassie’s home made Mayo: Low acid forming.
    8. Dill Pickles: Medium alkaline forming
    (see it here: http://www.alkaway.com.au/blog/alkaline-lunch/)

    Now… looking at this, the simple way would be to say that I consumed a total of 4 alkaline forming foods, and three acid forming foods. But.. what about how MUCH I ate? And what about whether I am deficient in the minerals that are being replenished. We Aussies, for instance, are almost all deficient in Magnesium. So what looks simple isn’t simple at all. But there’s something else on my plate. Did you notice? Fresh Lime, straight from our own tree! Highly alkaline forming! So my quarter lime could have easily tipped the balance to alkalizing. We use either lime or lemon with almost every main meal. I have even trained my palate to use the squeezed lime as a mouth refresher after my meal. Wow! It’s amazing!

    Summarizing, my alkaline forming ‘secret strategies’ make it easier for me to avoid this balancing act. Here they are; the result of 15 years of deep and meaningful alkalizing. I just use lime and lemon any time I can, as often as I can, and I also consume leafy greens as often as I can.

    With Cassie’s support, and because I found I had severe osteoporosis, I’ve also eliminated the BIG acidifiers, sugar grains and bread, which also happen to be seriously addictive. Once my addiction eased up i found I was also eating far less, including meat. As an addict I would eat anything in front of me. Anytime. Anywhere. A walking vacuum cleaner. Now meat doesn’t ever become the big acidifier it can when you consume too much. Dr Susan Brown points out in her Guide that excess meat converts directly to acid and is stored in our fat!

    Raw? Vegetarian?
    I have watched some alkaline diet advocated who have somehow ‘arranged’ the alkaline science to suit their own diet preferences – usually raw or vegetarian. however a diet high in fresh fructose-laden fruit, especially juices, is an acid time bomb. Ask me – I was a vegetarian for 14 years and I directly attribute my osteoporosis to the diet. They are slowly coming around, leading em to wonder if they ever really examined thew science in detail.

    A Non-Radical Approach

    |So an alkaline diet doesn’t have to be radical. You can also supplement your food with alkaline electrolytes, or alkaline green powder which easily takes you up to the recommended 6 serves of green vegetables a day without the bulk. Cassie eventually gave our diet a name; The Alkaline Paleo diet, and although she doesn’t post much on her blog today, the info there is still excellent and still helping a lot of people.

    Water Support

    Of course, I support it with alkaline ionized water from our mighty UltraStream, but although it’s a great alkaline water producer, its great benefit is its ability to supply me with a constant supply of molecular hydrogen, which in turn (may) assist me with issues such as free radicals, inflammation and allergies. (and perhaps a huge amount more, according to the 400+ studies!) I sincerely believe that any diet without good hydration is like having a good car with bad oil. Dumb and dumber.

    • The first problem with your comment is that as has been pointed out so many times there is no such thing as an alkaline forming food. ALL foods, including those incorrectly considered “alkaline forming” are metabolized in to acids in the body. So it does not matter if you are eating eating cucumbers or candy bars they will all be metabolized in to acids.

      This is one of the reasons that diet does not alkalize the blood. Blood pH is maintained primarily by respiration followed by kidney excretion or retention of hydrogen ions. These account for virtually all the pH regulation in the body. Diet has virtually no effect.

      As for the comment on the ionized water there are some problems with the statement.

      First of all the alkaline water is a free radical source, not antioxidant. Alkaline ionized water is formed by the electrolysis of water with minerals in it. On the alkaline side the hydroxyl (OH) radical binds with the minerals in the water forming caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides such as calcium hydroxide, magnesium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, etc. Hydroxides are not safe to ingest or even get on the tissues because they dangerously neutralize stomach acid and hydroxides chemically burn the tissues. Magnesium hydroxide for example is used as a laxative because it chemically burns the intestinal wall. This leads to an influx of water in to the intestines and increased peristalsis. Bags of calcium hydroxide used to make cement among other things have clear warnings not to allow contact with the tissues since again it can burn the tissues. Potassium hydroxide (Drano) and sodium hydroxide (Red Devil Lye) also have these same warnings due to severe chemical burns they can cause to the tissues. So I find it hard to phantom that anyone would recommend ingesting these dangerous chemicals and do so while falsely claiming ionized alkaline water is health promoting. How can chemicals that repeatedly burn the tissues increasing the risk of diseases like cancer be considered healthy by any means?

      As these mineral hydroxides disassociate they re-create the hydroxyl radical, which is a free radical.

      This free radical is damaging to the cells and IS NOT antioxidant. Anti-oxidant means “anti-oxygen”. The hydroxyl radical DOES NOT mop up singlet oxygen radicals. In other words it does not form HO2.

      It is the acidic water, not the alkaline water, that provides molecular hydrogen that mops up the oxygen radicals. In other works: H (molecular hydrogen) + H (molecular hydrogen) + O (singlet oxygen radical) forms H2O (water).

      Therefore, the ionized alkaline water is a dangerous and disease forming free radical source while the acid water is antioxidant.

      • There are no hydroxyl radicals produced in the alkaline side. It is hydroxide (OH-) ions that are produced.

        At a low pH 8-10 the hydroxide ions do not bind to the those minerals, except for a small amount that makes up some of the white flakes in the water (although that is primarily carbonates)…mineral hydroxides are only toxic when at a molar concentration above 0.01 M or so, not 0.0001 pH 12 vs10, respectively.

        • Ian Hamilton: “There are no hydroxyl radicals produced in the alkaline side. It is hydroxide (OH-) ions that are produced.”

          Incorrect. Hydroxyl radicals are formed from the disassociation of the mineral hydroxides that are formed when the water is split by electrolysis to make the alkaline water.

          Ian Hamilton: “At a low pH 8-10 the hydroxide ions do not bind to the those minerals, except for a small amount that makes up some of the white flakes in the water (although that is primarily carbonates)”

          First of all a pH of 8 to 10 IS NOT “low”. Those are high pH levels.

          Secondly, the hydroxide group does in fact bind to the minerals. I hate to say it but this is very basic chemistry. Ever hear the term “opposites attract”? The negatively charged hydroxyl group needs to be balanced. So it binds to the positively charged metals from the minerals such as sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium forming the corresponding mineral (metal) hydroxides.

          And these DO NOT form white flakes as is being claimed. These hydroxides are water soluble. To form white flakes they would either have to insoluble or the water supersaturated with the mineral (metal) hydroxides to allow them to precipitate out.

          And how could they be carbonates? Where are the carbonates coming from? They would had to have been in the water to begin with such as calcium and magnesium carbonates. So this brings up the very obvious question, if these carbonates were insoluble why were they not in the water to begin with before the electrolysis?

          Ian Hamilton: “mineral hydroxides are only toxic when at a molar concentration above 0.01 M or so, not 0.0001 pH 12 vs10, respectively.”

          First of all source on your claim?

          Secondly, studies showing the mineral hydroxide content of various ionized alkaline waters for an average.

          And finally, what SPECIFICALLY are you deeming to be toxicity? In other words SPECIFICALLY what side effects from the toxicity?

          • Just a few points:

            ….. If you Google “electrolysis of water” you will see that it is OH- hydroxides that are produced are not toxic hydroxyl (OH) radicals

            ….pH 8 -10 is relatively low compared pH 12-14.

            ….Some people’s home water has a pH near 10

            ….if mineral hydroxides are soluble then they don’t bind to each other, if they do then they are called insoluble. Again google that.

            …. wikipedia. …the carbonates are coming from the tap water, their is always some dissolved CO2, which forms CO3^2- and HCO3-, their solubility is a function of pH and as the pH increases they bind to calcium to form insoluble calcium carbonate, which is the white flakes. …

            James, I’ve followed your posts over the last months. You have a good mind and good knowledge in your specialities. I won’t be posting on this again.

            • Ian hamilton: “Just a few points:

              ….. If you Google “electrolysis of water” you will see that it is OH- hydroxides that are produced are not toxic hydroxyl (OH) radicals”

              Read what I said again because that is not what I said. As we can see I CLEARY stated:

              “Hydroxyl radicals are formed from the disassociation of the mineral hydroxides that are formed when the water is split by electrolysis to make the alkaline water.”

              So I DID NOT say that the hydroxyl radicals were formed from the electrolysis. What I pointed out was that the negatively charged hydroxyl group formed during electrolysis is attracted to the positively charged metals from the minerals in the water forming mineral (metal) hydroxides. These dangerous, caustic hydroxides are what make this disease promoting water alkaline. It is the disassociation of these mineral hydroxides that form the dangerous hydroxyl radical making the alkaline water a free radical source.

              And again, for this water to be antioxidant the water would have to react with oxygen radicals neutralizing them. But the dangerous free radical, the hydroxyl radical DOES NOT do this since we cannot form O2H (O+OH). The antioxidant properties of electrolyzed water would come from the ACID water, which contains reactive hydrogen that reacts with reactive hydrogen to form water. Thus H+H+O forms H2O otherwise known as water.

              Ian Hamilton: “….pH 8 -10 is relatively low compared pH 12-14. ”

              I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I red this. What a way to stretch things to cover up a major error. By your same reasoning we could say that a pH of 1 or 2 is “relatively low” compared to a pH of 12 to 14. But my statement stands, a pH of 8 to 10 ins widely accepted as being a HIGH pH value, not a low one.

              Ian Hamilton: “….Some people’s home water has a pH near 10”

              And?!!!! So what? Naturally alkaline waters are alkaline due to naturally occurring carbonates, not dangerous caustic and free radical providing mineral (metal) hydroxides.

              Ian Hamilton: “….if mineral hydroxides are soluble then they don’t bind to each other, if they do then they are called insoluble. Again google that.”

              Again, you missed my point. The mineral (metal) hydroxides in ionized alkaline water are SOLUBLE!!! Look up the solubility of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium hydroxides. All can be dissolved in water in small amounts.

              Yes, you can get precipitate if enough hydroxide is ADDED to supersaturate the water or if you use a cobalt, iron or aluminum hydroxides, which are insoluble. Of course I never mentioned those last three hydroxides.

              Ian Hamilton: “…. wikipedia. …the carbonates are coming from the tap water, their is always some dissolved CO2, which forms CO3^2- and HCO3-, their solubility is a function of pH and as the pH increases they bind to calcium to form insoluble calcium carbonate, which is the white flakes. ”

              But in your original statement you said “At a low pH 8-10 the hydroxide ions do not bind to the those minerals, except for a small amount that makes up some of the white flakes in the water”.

              And I reponded:

              “And these DO NOT form white flakes as is being claimed. These hydroxides are water soluble. To form white flakes they would either have to insoluble or the water supersaturated with the mineral (metal) hydroxides to allow them to precipitate out.”

              So the primary question is how can these white flakes be the mineral hydroxides when they are soluble in the water in those amounts? The question still stands.

              Then I went on to say:

              “And how could they be carbonates? Where are the carbonates coming from? They would had to have been in the water to begin with such as calcium and magnesium carbonates. So this brings up the very obvious question, if these carbonates were insoluble why were they not in the water to begin with before the electrolysis?”

              You kind of answered that question with a reasonable answer I was hoping you would answer since this provides the evidence to what could be yet another danger to ionized alkaline water.

              Now, as you pointed out the solubility of this calcium salt decreases with increasing pH, which is true. Therefore, using the reasoning by the ionized alkaline water supporters, if their claims were true that drinking this water actually alkalizes the blood then this would also mean that the higher alkalinity would decrease the solubility of calcium salts in the body leading to calcifications. For example, calcified arterial plaque, bone spurs, calcified gallstones, etc. So thanks for answering that question so that everyone will know that the claims by the alkaline water supporters claiming the water is alkalizing is either bogus or the water can lead to disease causing calcifications in the body.

              Ian Hamilton: “I won’t be posting on this again.”

              Oh, but we are making so much progress discrediting ionized alkaline water. Don’t give up yet. There are still more questions on of your claims I am still waiting for answers on. You have not backed up these claims you made yet:

              Ian Hamilton: “mineral hydroxides are only toxic when at a molar concentration above 0.01 M or so, not 0.0001 pH 12 vs10, respectively.”

              First of all source on your claim?

              Secondly, studies showing the mineral hydroxide content of various ionized alkaline waters for an average.

              And finally, what SPECIFICALLY are you deeming to be toxicity? In other words SPECIFICALLY what side effects from the toxicity?

              Don’t leave us hanging Ian, we need evidence and answers to your claims!!!

              • Oh lord, I’m so confused now. James, I don’t know if you’re still commenting on this thread or not, but I need to ask this.

                My family has been drinking purified/distilled water (mostly because we don’t want to drink our city water, and also because it just tastes better). Over the past few weeks, I had gotten increasingly worried, because I kept reading about how distilled water is “acidic” and will leach minerals from your bones via osmosis, etc. People have recommended adding pink Himalayan salt to the water to remineralize it.

                In your opinion, is it necessary, or even crucial, to do this? I have begun to do it, but remain worried about the years we’ve been drinking distilled water (without even realizing there were any arguments against it!). And if there is no such thing as “alkalinizing” by way of diet…what would remain possible costs or benefits to adding pink Himalayan salt to distilled water? Does it make a difference at all? Or would you recommend it?

                This article you wrote has been very informative, and I appreciate what I’ve learned in reading it. I hope your still commenting on this thread, because this topic has, literally, kept me up at night! Lol.

                • I’ve heard the same about distilled water. Nature abhors a vacuum… the water stripped of minerals and dissolved solids tries to reconstitute as it passes through you by collecting your trace minerals. In effect, stripping you of minerals right back.

                  There is some truth to that as any refrigerator repair man can tell you. Through the door water dispensers dispense charcoal filtered water on many new refrigerators. The hose, from the filter to the dispenser that fills your glass, must be plastic. The supply line to the actual filter is often still copper. Why is this? Because the stripped water slowly eats away at the inside of pipe until pin holes appear. I’m not going to call it acidic… I’m going to just say its what water does. A river of water flowing over rocks collects minerals.

                  Distilled water would logically leach and collect as it passes through you. I would certainly would not be drinking distilled water long term or at least I’d be adding trace minerals to each glass of it I consume.

                  By the way, James did not write the article… Chris Kresser did (or at least his people). James is still here lurking. Just try saying his name 3 times in a mirror and poof there he is. 🙂

                • I guess James would go crazy if he would see your comment. Now let us go back to Chemistry 101. If you drink pure water, it will consume everything on its path till it reaches equilibrium since its osmotic pressure is different. Now it is not related with acidity. If you get this, if you drink acid or alkali water but with different osmotic pressure, same applies. So what you drink in pure water is a neutral sponge. It will suck its minerals out of you. If you drop a piece of pure water on your eye (DONT DO IT!!! It is an example of its effect.) your eye would be blurred immediately and you will need to get it removed like a cataract if you are lucky.
                  Last, if your parents are not using a pure water machine, then what they use should be filtering the water with active carbons. That is not the same thing. It is purified water, not pure water and they should have salt (in its general meaning) additive section.

                • Hi Chris,

                  They are partially right. Purified waters will absorb carbon dioxide, sulfur oxides and nitrogen oxides from the air making the water acidic. But this has NOTHING to do with taking minerals from the body.

                  Water is the universal solvent so it will dissolve substances in an attempt to reach some type of saturation. A simple way to understand this is if you take a glass of water and start stirring in sugar it will dissolve the sugar until it reaches a saturation or in some cases a supersaturation.

                  It is this solvency that also allows vitamins and minerals to be dissolved and carried both in to and out of the body.

                  Now, the more pure the water is the more solvent it becomes, and ultrapure waters are so solvent that they are actually highly corrosive. Of course we are not going to drink ultrapure water anyway and reverse osmosis and distilled waters are far from ultrapure waters.

                  Regardless, as I said the more pure a water is the more solvent it becomes. In addition, water does not have a brain to say I will take the bad stuff and leave the good stuff. It will dissolve both and again can carry both out of the body as easily as it can carry these in to the body.

                  I actually did some videos on the subject a while back:

                  http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6357

                  Therefore, drinking purified waters will rob the body of nutrients, but NOT from acidity.

                  And this is not the only danger issue with purified waters.

                  The other factor goes to the osmosis factor. Water will go from a level of higher purity to a level of lower purity to try and reach equilibrium. If you want to research examples study the difference between hypotonic, isotonic and hypertonic IV solutions.

                  When people drink a purified water the water RAPIDLY enters the bloodstream since the concentration of of purer water is greater in the stomach than the blood. But this sudden influx of water in to the blood can raise blood pressure and dangerously hyper-dilute the electrolytes. Therefore, the body has to work extra hard to rapidly remove this sudden influx of water to prevent problems. This is why when people drink a purified water they need to urinate so much sooner than with a mineralized water. This can also lead to a rebound dehydration if the body over reacts in trying to eliminate that sudden influx of water.

                  There are expensive, trendy water on the market claiming to hydrate cells faster using bogus claims like the water molecules are smaller. Great sales hype. Again, these are nothing more than purified waters so the water enters the bloodstream faster, but again can lead to rebound dehydration.

                  If drinking a lot of purified water, such as on a hot day there is also a greater risk of death from water intoxication ( selling of the brain due to hyper-dilution of the electrolytes) for the same reason.

                  So to answer your question about adding Real Salt (Himalayan Salt) to the water, yes this is one way to help re-saturate purified waters to reduce the dangers mentioned above. You do not need to make the water taste salty. I add a pinch to a bottle or glass of water.

                  I also like to use food grade diatomaceous earth to my water as an alternative to get the benefits of the silica. See:

                  http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2800

                  http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Silica.htm

                  http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Silica_Diatomaceous%20Earth%20vs%20Horsetail%20Grass.htm

      • Magnesium hydroxide isn’t caustic; its solubility is so low, that the pH of saturated solution is around 10 (that is similar to typical soap). it can ‘irritate’ intensinal wall but not burn.
        Also, magnesium sulphate or chloride have a laxative effect as well…

  65. Interesting reading…any suggestions for an AB+ kidney transplant recipient, non diabetic, seeking to provide kidney longevity through diet & not giving kidneys more stress through acidic diet? I am strongly considering an alkaline diet vegan life change.

    • As for diet more foods high in silica such as oat bran or rice bran and foods high in natural vitamin C such as papaya, kiwis, mangoes, berries, etc.

      The herb nettle leaf is also highly supportive of the kidneys and is not an issue with the anti-rejection drugs,

  66. Dear James

    Brilliantly explained
    Keep it up but I’m afraid there is no educating or convincing some people

    really nicely explained

    • Thanks Andrew.

      I agree, some people will never figure it out. But there are those who will listen and will research the claims. Then hopefully they will start spreading the correct information and the correct information will start to snowball drowning out the bogus “alkaline diet” misinformation.

  67. Forget about blood ph. People should be looking at saliva and urine ph and how they relate to health. People with systemic chronic illnesses have more acidic saliva and urine. Pathogens produce the acid present in the saliva and urine of people who are significantly acidic long term – directly and indirectly. Taking bicarb does over time have a similar effect on the pathogens involved as antimicrobials do – they do not thrive in an alkaline environment and their numbers decrease. Yes, the typical alkaline diet will provide better nutrition than the average diet.
    Though I would like to see some studies of blood ph in seriously chronically ill people vs healthy people to see how well the body’s buffering systems keep up. Not much point in arguing about blood ph without knowing that.

    • Salivary and urinary pH are not a reflection of blood pH.

      Salivary pH actually tells us very little. Salivary pH is affected by the amount of bacteria in the mouth so things such as brushing your teeth will make the saliva more alkaline. So will drinking water, thinking of certain foods, etc. Dry mouth increases acidity as alkaline saliva normally washes away acid forming bacteria in the mouth.

      Urinary pH is affected by hydration levels, certain supplements and medications and by bacteria in the urine. Urinary tract infections lead to highly alkaline urine as the bacteria use the enzyme urease to split urea in to highly alkaline ammonia. The alkalinity helps the bacteria, as with most pathogens, to survive.

      Ingesting baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) does not really alkalize the blood in most cases and even if it does it is very temporary. Ingesting baking soda can actually cause acidosis since as it reacts with the stomach acid it forms carbonic acid and sodium chloride. Carbonic acid can cause acidosis as well as excess sodium chloride, which can cause hyperchloremic acidosis.

      Another common myth is that most pathogens cannot survive in an alkaline environment. Actually most pathogens cannot survive in an acidic environment and thrive in an alkaline environment. Look at H. pylori bacteria, which secrete highly alkaline and highly toxic ammonia to neutralize stomach acid and protect themselves. In addition, roles of both stomach acid and the acids produced by the beneficial bacteria that inhabit our bodies is to destroy pathogens. Same reason people exposed to food poisoning pathogens are more prone to the pathogens when they have low stomach acid and acid producing flora.

      The acid producing flora also keeps Candida under control. These acids turn off the Candida growth gene and keep the Candida in its benign yeast form. When the flora numbers are decreased the environment becomes alkaline turning on the Candida growth gene and morphing the Candida in to its pathogenic fungal form (candidiasis). It is in this fungal form that the Candida forms finger-like projections known as hyphae that allow the Candida to dig in to tissues causing damage and inflammation.

        • Hi Kayla,

          I want to start by pointing out that everyone has Candida. It is a normal part of the body. But not everyone has candidiasis, which is the overgrowth of fungal Candida. And again, the overgrowth is due to an alkaline environment, which turns on the Candida growth gene and morphs the Candida in to its pathogenic fungal form.

          Therefore, you cannot really kill off the Candida. This is the most common mistake people make. For example, using enzymes to try and digest the Candida, which will not work and can make things worse. See:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMPoie_16ns

          What people with candidiasis need to do is to restore the naturally acidic environment in the areas of the body where Candida naturally exists.

          To do this the first thing I recommend is eating more cultured foods such as kefirs, cultured vegetables, miso, tempeh, etc. These provide a good source of probiotics to jump start the growth of the beneficial bacteria to restore the acidity.

          A side note here. I generally do not recommend yogurts unless homemade since most are not live culture even if they claim they are on the package.

          The second thing I recommend are prebiotics, which are the fibers that feed the flora. My favorites are rice or oat bran since they are also great sources of B vitamins and silica and do not cause severe bloating like psyllium does. Other good sources include vegetable gums (guar, glucomannan, xanthan, etc.), fructooligosaccharides (FOS) and inulin. More high fiber vegetables in the diet is also good. The bacteria feed on these fibers breaking them down and fermenting the resultant sugars forming the acids that control the Candida.

          You cannot cut out sugars from the diet since basically all foods contain sugars. Even meats contain sugars. But try to stay away from high glycemic foods.

  68. Please advise on the following info: “Osteoporosis Around the World: Throughout the world, the incidence of osteoporosis correlates directly with animal protein intake. The greater the intake of protein, the more common and more severe will be the osteoporosis. In fact, world health statistics show that osteoporosis is most common in exactly those countries where dairy products are consumed in the largest quantities – the United States, Finland, Sweden and the United Kingdom. Nathan Pritikin studied the medical research on osteoporosis, and found no basis at all for the Dairy Council viewpoint:
    African Bantu women take in only 350 mg. of calcium per day. They bear nine children during their lifetime and breast feed them for two years. They never have calcium deficiency, seldom break a bone, rarely lose a tooth… How can they do that on 350 mg. of calcium a day when the (National Dairy Council) recommendation is 1200 mg.? It’s very simple. They’re on a low-protein diet that doesn’t kick the calcium out of the body’.
    At the other end of the scale from the Bantus are the native Eskimos. If osteoporosis were a calcium deficiency disease it would be unheard of among these people. They have the highest dietary calcium intake of any people in the world – more than 2000 mg. a day from fish bones. Their diet is also the very highest in the world in protein – 250 to 400 grams a day. The native Eskimo people have one of the very highest rates of osteoporosis in the world.
    In March, 1983, the Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported the results of the largest study of this kind ever undertaken. Researchers in Michigan State and other major universities found that, by the age of 65 in the United States:
    •Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 3%
    • Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 7%
    • Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 18%
    • Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 35%
    This is from the website Food Maters.

  69. Hey Chris,

    I love your blogs and I find them really informative and I loved the studies. I’m an almost RD, and so I’m familiar with ketoacidosis, which I know is what happens in type 1 diabetics who neglect to use their insulin. In the case of the diabetic, their blood sugar spikes, cells starve, hydroxy butyrate (ketones) are formed, but again, ketones aren’t taken into the blood, and they are acidify the blood…causing acidosis. I can’t remember how they acidify, I keep visualizing my notes from medical nutrition and keep thinking they are broken down, released H+, but I can’t remember the little details. In this case, why do the kidneys not balance Ph? Is it just an overload they can’t handle? Also, if you’ve seen the documentary forks over knives you know all about anti meat because of the carboxylic acid of the protein: again, why does eating more meat (intaking more carboxylic acid) not effect serum Ph in the same way? I’m always learning new things in nutrition, and I’ve decided I’ll be reading articles and studies until (or after) I retire -thanks

  70. I have donated a kidney to my son 7 years ago. A couple of years post transplant I have developed a few health issues like high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol , weight gain etc.
    The kidney specialist suggested to start with medications. I decided to reverse my health issues by following a vegan lifestyle, and I make sure the urine is never than 8.
    All the issues have been reversed.
    I run a wholistic clinic, and I witnesses many reversals with clients following the Alkaliney lifestyle. E.g. cancer, diabitis, auto immune diseases, shrinking of fibroids etc etc etc.
    I also read Dr. Colin Campbell book “The China Study” and it confirmed my beliefts. I do believe that by not touching any animal protein, I am allowing my one and only kidney to have an easier time filtering all the toxins, and the results are my best witness.
    Thank you.

    • Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or my-side bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true. As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way.

      They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and/or recall have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a stronger weighting for data encountered early in an arbitrary series) and illusory correlation (in which people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

      https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Confirmation_bias.html

  71. Teresa: “Yet again James , you have missed the point. You try and speak so knowledgeably and yet you know so little.”

    I actually know a whole lot more than you think including how the body REALLY works.

    Teresa: “This is a common side effect the first time you start an alkaline diet. ”

    There is NO such thing as an alkaline diet as has been explained in depth numerous times.

    Teresa: “My body and particularly my head was just emptying itself of all the toxins I had accumulated over the years. ”

    The fact that you actually believe that shows how little you really know about the body.

    Teresa: “All my life I used to get colds and particularly sinus attacks every single winter but since taking alkaline water I have been completely sinus free after that first detox.”

    Have you ever heard of placebo effect? See:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6r9U-tbKAM

    You cannot predict when a cold will happen. The fact that you tell yourself you only get colds during the winter, but not during the rest of the year when they can still happen leads to believe that they are most likely psychosomatic rather than viral.

    • NOTE: We will not be approving any more of these comments that contain personal attacks and insults.

      James, Paleo Huntress, Teresa, Guest, and whoever else is involved in this debate: please move your conversation elsewhere. Chris’s website is not a forum for people to verbally attack each other over the internet.

      If anyone involved in this discussion continues to post in this manner, I’ll have no choice but to ban you from the site, so please keep this in mind when writing comments in the future.

  72. Teresa: “Eighteen months ago, I bought a quality ioniser that is attached to my main water tap – I can get four levels of water in varying degrees of alkalinity or just plain filtered water.
    When I first started using it, I seemed to have what appeared to be like a heavy head cold, very phlegmy and sinusy. That lasted for over a month, but then that cleared up and so do my acid reflux, and happily I haven’t had a head cold either for well over a year now which is very unusual for me.”

    It took over a month for what you think was a heavy head cold to clear up? Usually they take a lot less time to clear up on their own. Sounds like the water slowed down the normal healing process quite a bit.

    • Yet again James , you have missed the point. You try and speak so knowledgeably and yet you know so little.
      This is a common side effect the first time you start an alkaline diet. My body and particularly my head was just emptying itself of all the toxins I had accumulated over the years. All my life I used to get colds and particularly sinus attacks every single winter but since taking alkaline water I have been completely sinus free after that first detox.
      But of course this isn’t what you want to hear is it? You just go on blindly believing that everything you say is correct and the naysayers must all be talking rubbish.
      Why don’t you try it for a while and see how you feel? You never know you might actually find it works.

  73. While James et al battle away on this subject, all I know is that I suffered from acid reflux for fifteen years until I started drinking alkaline water. Result? No more acid reflux. You figure it out.

      • Eighteen months ago, I bought a quality ioniser that is attached to my main water tap – I can get four levels of water in varying degrees of alkalinity or just plain filtered water.
        When I first started using it, I seemed to have what appeared to be like a heavy head cold, very phlegmy and sinusy. That lasted for over a month, but then that cleared up and so do my acid reflux, and happily I haven’t had a head cold either for well over a year now which is very unusual for me.
        You can only speak as you find, and I know I wouldn’t be without my alkaline water now.

    • Teresa: “While James et al battle away on this subject, all I know is that I suffered from acid reflux for fifteen years until I started drinking alkaline water. Result? No more acid reflux. You figure it out.”

      Not hard to figure out. The caustic mineral hydroxides in the ionized alkaline water will neutralize stomach acid just like Tums, which is not caustic like ionized alkaline waters. This covers up the symptoms of acid reflux, but DOES NOT correct the underlying problem. In fact, it make the underlying condition worse since low stomach acid leads to acid reflux from decreased digestion and increased fermentation.

      In the long run the use of ionized alkaline waters will really screw up digestion really bad as the neutralization of stomach acid inhibits proper nutrient absorption. This includes the vitamins B6, B12 and folate that are all acid dependent for absorption. Decreased absorption of these nutrients interferes with the production of the methyl donor SAMe. Among the numerous functions of methylation there are DNA repair to prevent cancer, reduction of heart disease, hormone formation, breakdown of excess hormones, neurotransmitter formation, allergy reduction, proper immune function, cartilage formation, etc. in fact, there are about 4,000 methylation reactions in the body.

      Another important function of methylation is the formation of stomach acid. Therefore, when people ignorantly neutralize or block stomach acidity such as by drinking the caustic ionized alkaline water they actually put themselves at risk for numerous diseases and disorders. To make matters worse methylation is also required for stomach acid formation. Therefore, when a person neutralizes their stomach acid they are actually inhibiting the formation of more stomach acid, which further decreases stomach acid………. All the time they continue putting their health at greater risk do to the decreased methylation and from the chemical burning from the caustic mineral hydroxides in the water and tissue damage from the hydroxyl radicals these mineral hydroxides disassociate in to.

      Stomach acid is also required for the proper absorption of zinc as well, which is a required catalyst for the production of stomach acid.

      People may feel better initially due to becoming hydrated, by covering up symptoms such as with acid reflux or simply placebo effect. I have also seen where people have added supplements to their regime that could account for alleviating their symptoms but gave credit to the ionized alkaline water that could not have anything to do with alleviating their symptoms.

      People just want so hard to believe that ionized alkaline water is a cure all or is going to improve their health. Especially if they were duped in to buying one of those quack, overpriced and over-hyped water ionizers.

      If they would do their homework first though they would realize some important facts such as:

      -You CANNOT alter the blood pH with ionized alkaline water unless you first dangerously overwhelm the stomach acid and the body’s pH buffering systems.

      Even if they manage to do this the induced alkalosis will lead to more problems as minor alkalosis constricts blood vessels leading to decreased circulation and increased blood pressure. Alkalosis also inhibits oxygen release from hemoglobin leading to decreased tissue oxygenation leading to all sorts of health risks.

      -Ionized alkaline water contains caustic mineral hydroxides that make the water alkaline. These hydroxides can include potassium hydroxide sold as Drano, sodium hydroxide sold as Red Devil Lye, calcium hydroxide sold as lime used to make cement and magnesium hydroxide sold as Milk of Magnesia used as a laxative because it chemically burns the intestinal wall leading to a water influx in to the intestines and increased peristalsis. People really want to drink this crap?!!!!

      • James, you are wrongly assuming that I put nothing in my stomach apart from alkaline water, which is absolutely not true.
        I supplement two large glasses of ordinary water a day for alkaline water. the rest of the time I drink filtered water, Green or Jasmine tea, almond milk, red wine and such like.
        I would rather treat acid reflux that way than the proton-pump inhibitors that Doctors give out like Smarties.
        I was diagnosed osteo-porotic five years ago, and was told to take bio-phosphates, which once I researched I refused to take any more.
        What with the above medications, and now we are all meant to be on Statins for the rest of our lives, the medical profession is probably doing a better job of killing us all off than a couple of glasses of alkaline water a day.

        • Teresa: “James, you are wrongly assuming that I put nothing in my stomach apart from alkaline water, which is absolutely not true.”

          I did not assume anything. Why would I think for example that you would not put food in your stomach?

          What else you put in your stomach is irrelevant though to my points about the dangers of ionized alkaline water such as the caustic nature, the radicals formed, the inhibition of nutrient absorption from the other things you do put in your stomach, etc.

          Teresa: “I would rather treat acid reflux that way than the proton-pump inhibitors that Doctors give out like Smarties.”

          Proton pump inhibitors DO NOT treat acid reflux, they mask the symptoms just like ionized alkaline water. And both PPIs and ionized alkaline water make the underlying condition worse in the process.

          If you want to learn about acid reflux and how to actually treat it then read this:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2632

          Teresa: “I was diagnosed osteo-porotic five years ago, and was told to take bio-phosphates, which once I researched I refused to take any more.”

          You are referring to bisphosphonates, which also do not treat osteoporosis and are well known for increasing the risk of fractures among other side effects.

          Osteoporosis is the result of collagen loss in the bone decreasing mineral deposition sites. The main reasons for loss of bone collagen are lack of ascorbic acid and/or orthosilicic acid.

          Bisphosphonate drugs, such as Boniva and Evista, basically kill cells that break down bone inhibiting the bone remodeling process needed for healthy bone. This leads to “rotten” bone that the drugs then “plaster” minerals to. In the long run the bone loses strength and flexibility leading to an increased risk of fractures.

          Alkaline ionized water can make matters worse b inhibiting mineral proper mineral absorption as well as inhibiting proper protein digestion needed for collagen formation.

          Statins are a joke. See:

          http://medreview.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/why-statins-and-low-cholesterol-cause-heart-attacks-and-strokes/

          If you really want to get cholesterol down see:

          http://www.medcapsules.com/info/Heart_Disease.htm

  74. I really wish you guys would stop with the obsessive-compulsive arguments-personality conflicts going on here in this thread. I am getting 15-30 emails a day of you guys which is useless to me.

    • Sorry, but people get accurate health information for health and safety overrides your slight inconvenience.

      You can do as I do and leave the e-mail in place. This will accumulate most if not all the responses in one e-mail then when done you can delete it.

  75. To james,

    again, what u used isnt real science. A lot are unproven and far fetched. everyone please read from the very beginning, while i only started to get aggressive after more than 10 comments, james have been aggressive ever since the start.

    the thing that made me furious is that he said what i said is wrong and bogus and use assumptions and speculations, while he himself admitted that he cant prove me wrong, and he himself uses lots of speculations which is solely based on his own understandings. Worst is that lots of his speculations cant be found on the internet, while mine can.

    • Bean: “again, what u used isnt real science. A lot are unproven and far fetched. everyone please read from the very beginning, while i only started to get aggressive after more than 10 comments, james have been aggressive ever since the start.”

      Providing facts is not being aggressive. And again, this blog article is not about me. Trying to discredit me with your lies is aggressive. So I am asking you again, stay on topic about the acid-alkaline myth and stop trying to make this personal.

      Bean: “the thing that made me furious is that he said what i said is wrong and bogus and use assumptions and speculations, while he himself admitted that he cant prove me wrong”

      I did not say I could not prove you wrong. In fact, I have proven you wrong a number of times. But again, you are being aggressive by trying to make this personal.

      Bean: “and he himself uses lots of speculations which is solely based on his own understandings. Worst is that lots of his speculations cant be found on the internet, while mine can.”

      Thanks for saving me the time of proving how you keep lying. If the claims I am making cannot be verified on the internet then how was I so easily able to find medical studies in a matter of minutes backing what I said? You yourself claimed you could not find anything, anywhere on the internet backing the fact that osteoporosis is caused from a collagen loss. So given your lack of research skills I am not surprised at all that you cannot find any real research backing either of our claims. Just because you are incapable of finding readily available research though, this does not mean it does not exist.

      As for your “evidence”, propaganda sites claiming what you want to hear IS NOT evidence. For example, show us the medical research proving that long term ingestion of foods claimed to be acid forming induce acidosis as you keep implying. Let’s see if there really is any evidence to back your claims as you just claimed here.

  76. To james,

    this is about the statistic part.

    james: “Statistics only prove what the person wants to prove. This is why statistics are such a popular alternative to real research since real research is much harder to manipulate or misinterpret.

    For example, if people really look deep in to the issue the longest lived people in the world have better health not due to diet, but rather the least stress. Stress will kill a person much faster than bad diet anyday.”

    so i guess what u are saying is that stress kills part has a more concrete study and evidence, rather than healthy diet leads to a healthy life then. This is your BS “real science”. no real prove.

    and i need u to clarify on another thing. you are saying that statistics done by a lot of people in the world are manipulated and changed to their advantage ?
    and i will need u to give eg. of which statistics done are like that please.

    the 1st 1 i take it as you say that selectively chose 6 good results out of 100 results yea ?

    please clarify that u, james sloane, said all these stuffs.

  77. To james,

    DUDE, the only thing that i have been wrong is when i didnt explain that stomach acids does other functions, as i think its not really relevant to the main topic. THE REST OF THE STUFFS WE BEEN DISCUSSING, U YOURSELF ADMITTED THAT U CANT PROVE IT TO BE WRONG OR RIGHT EITHER.

    mots of the stuffs u posted are NOT real science. It is based on your understandings and its NOT PROVEN SCIENCE.

    As for the osteoporosis stuffs, scroll above for my reply, what u gave me about the collagen stuffs is NEVER been 100% proven, and the study done on ncbi is totally wrong if realize those condition set by the researcher him/herself will cause loss in minerals itself. U are and old man but u argues like a child.

    james : “There is yet more I could have found, but again it is not my job to do your homework for you. As we can all see though I base my statements on known scientific fact while Bean relies on speculation and poor or absent research skills.”

    BS. you said u treat people the way they treat you. TOTAL BS. scroll up and see from the 1st comment i made till now. Did i ever sound so offensive like u ?

    Everyone who is seeing this post now, please search for the reason why osteoporosis happen. While i gave the simplest explanation, which is accepted worldwide ( loss of mineral density), james gave an explanation which is loss of collagen (which i found out that it is result of loss of mineral density that leads to it)

    search and tell this james to his face who is using speculations and who is using “real science” .

    • Bean: “DUDE, the only thing that i have been wrong is when i didnt explain that stomach acids does other functions, as i think its not really relevant to the main topic. THE REST OF THE STUFFS WE BEEN DISCUSSING, U YOURSELF ADMITTED THAT U CANT PROVE IT TO BE WRONG OR RIGHT EITHER.”

      First of all my names is not “DUDE”. So don’t refer to me that way.

      Secondly, yes the stomach acid issue is relevant since people attempting to alkalize often dangerously neutralize their stomach acid putting themselves at risk for various health problems.

      And as I said before what I have said is backed by REAL science, not assumptions like you rely on. This is why you have to discredit anything I have said with any real research. That is not the same as claiming something cannot be proven.

      Bean: “As for the osteoporosis stuffs, scroll above for my reply, what u gave me about the collagen stuffs is NEVER been 100% proven, and the study done on ncbi is totally wrong if realize those condition set by the researcher him/herself will cause loss in minerals itself.”

      LOL!!!! You could not even find any studies anywhere on the internet with all the time you have available to argue. I find several studies backing this within a couple of minutes. If you are not smart enough to even find these studies then you clearly are not smart enough to understand them.

      I also noticed how you tried to manipulate what was said in the first study and keep completely ignoring the second study, which also proves my point.

      Bean: “BS. you said u treat people the way they treat you. TOTAL BS. scroll up and see from the 1st comment i made till now. Did i ever sound so offensive like u ?”

      Here is one: “i guess u really just want to win in every argument” from July 31. In your post you claimed I argue like a child since you cannot counter anything I said with real evidence. Instead you have argued from the start using assumptions but no REAL evidence to back your claims.

      But again, this blog IS NOT about me. When people try to keep going off topic making it about the messenger instead of the message they do this because they have no REAL evidence to present. So they try attacking the messenger instead to divert attention away from their ignorance of the subject. I have seen you try to make this about me a number of times and have yet to provide even one piece of solid evidence to back your claims proving my point.

      Bean: “Everyone who is seeing this post now, please search for the reason why osteoporosis happen. While i gave the simplest explanation, which is accepted worldwide ( loss of mineral density), james gave an explanation which is loss of collagen (which i found out that it is result of loss of mineral density that leads to it)”

      Mineral loss IS NOT the cause, it is a result. Again learn some anatomy and physiology!!! And the studies I provided back this fact. Just because you tried to distort what the one study said and keep ignoring the second study this does not change that fact. Again, mineral loss from bone result in ostoepenia and osteomalacia, not osteoporosis. The lack of collagen matrix reduces mineral binding sites thus decreasing bone density. Since the minerals cannot bind they get eliminated if not useable elsewhere to prevent other health issues such as the side effects of hypercalcemia.

    • Of course i coudnt find any, because its so few and maybe non-existent.

      i did not manipulate your 2nd study. Your 2nd stdy TOTALLY did not support what u claimed to be real science. It says it is loss of mineral density and MAY BE associated with loss of collagen. i really dont know how u can totally ignore the 1st part of the stdy saying its loss of minerals and keep on clinging on to the “may be” part. I feel its really stupid to continue saying osteoporosis is loss of collagen just because u found a website stating that “it may be associated with loss of collagen”

      i wrote that because u did it. u does argue like a child. and if u see the time correctly, it was all posted on the same day by me ( same as the day i said u didnt treat ppl the same way others treat u ), because i read what u wrote which is way way more offensive than mine, way before i posted these. Check the time and date beside and compare with your own comments please.

      AGAIN…. u failed to prove it. and again, u use the word “real science”. i am really fed up with u james. i am done with arguing on this topic with u. Everyone can judge this case ( whether osteoporosis is loss of minerals or loss of collagen ) . Not that i really cared about it anymore.

      • Bean: “Of course i coudnt find any, because its so few and maybe non-existent”

        That only proves your poor research skills. I found two studies in less than two minutes proving my point. Just because you keep twisting what the first study said and keep ignoring the second study altogether, this DOES NOT make them wrong. Only you.

        If I spent hours searching like you probably did then I would have found a lot more. But the fact that I was able to find those tow studies with hardly any effort proves my point about your poor research skills.

        From the first study you keep deliberately keep ignoring ” A primary loss of collagen in osteoporotic bones is an essential prediction of the hypothesis; in fact this loss is well established but, inexplicably, it has been assumed to be secondary to the bone loss”. No wonder you keep ignoring this study since it backs what I have said all along and says the exact opposite of what you keep trying to falsely claim. And from the second study which you keep trying to twist what was said “The high remodeling rate is associated
        with decreased bone mineralization”. Wow, not a loss of minerals from bone as you keep falsely claiming, but a lack of bone mineralization as I have said all along. And again, the lack of bone mineralization is the result of a lack of bone collagen decreasing mineral binding sites. So you can keep trying to twist what the studies have proven all you want. All that will prove is how desperate you are and to what lengths you will go to in order to make it appear you have a clue what you are talking about.

        Of course I am still waiting for a rational response from the person who thought water was food, glucose was an acid and that amino acids and alkaline ammonia are the same thing among other ludicrous thoughts.

        By the way, still waiting for you answer how it is that athletes maintain bone density despite the high protein diets you claim are acid forming.

        Actually you have ignored all my questions for you as well as requests to provide REAL evidence to your claims. Not surprising since you keep making stuff up rather than rely on real science.

        Bean: “i did not manipulate your 2nd study. Your 2nd stdy TOTALLY did not support what u claimed to be real science. It says it is loss of mineral density and MAY BE associated with loss of collagen.”

        Thanks again for proving my point of how you are lying by twisting what was really said in the abstract. I ran a search for what you are claiming was quoted from both abstracts to make sure I did not miss what you claim. Guess what? What you claim was said DOES NOT show up because that is not what was said. Instead the abstract CLEARLY states: “there is increasing evidence that a high remodeling with a negative bone balance induces bone loss and modification of the microarchitecture, such as decreased trabecular thickness and loss of connectivity, decreased cortical thickness, and increased cortical porosity. The high remodeling rate is associated with decreased bone mineralization “. So they mention “microarchitecture”, which refers to the collagen matrix, which is what gives bone much of its strength and allows bone to deal with forces. Then the abstract states “The high remodeling rate is associated with decreased bone mineralization “. Again, “decreased bone mineralization” backs what I have said all along and is the opposite of what you keep falsely claiming of mineral loss. Further in the abstract they state “An overhydroxylation of lysine residues and an overglycosylation of hydroxylysine have been reported [145–147], resulting in the formation of fibrils of small diameter [148] that may affect the collagen fiber’s ability to mineralize normally”. Wow, affecting the ability of the collagen fibers to mineralize normally just as I have been saying all along and just the opposite of your false claims you keep making by twisting what was really said.

        Bean: “i really dont know how u can totally ignore the 1st part of the stdy saying its loss of minerals and keep on clinging on to the “may be” part.”

        Because that IS NOT what the abstract says. You keep twisting what was said to mislead people to fit your needs. Again, here is the EXACT quote “The high remodeling rate is associated with decreased bone mineralization that may reduce bone stiffness and may be associated with a modification of the content of collagen crosslinks.”

        As we can see it DOES NOT state the result is a loss of minerals as you keep twisting things to make it appear as if that what was said. In fact, they CLEARLY state “decreased bone mineralization” as I have said all along, and NOTHING about mineral loss as you keep falsely claiming.

        This brings up another question I posed to you earlier that you also ignored. Since you keep harping on the word “may”, does decreased bone mineralization reduce bone stiffness or not? Stop ignoring the question just because answering it will blow the misleading word games you keep playing.

        Bean: “I feel its really stupid to continue saying osteoporosis is loss of collagen just because u found a website stating that “it may be associated with loss of collagen”

        Again, that is not what the abstracts said. Learn to read!!! Both studies back what I have been saying all along. And again, these are only the two studies I found in less that two minutes after you claimed to not having been able to find anything, anywhere on the internet. If I spent as much time as you did finding nothing I could find a lot more research backing this fact because unlike you I know how to do real research.

  78. To james,

    stop claiming u have been giving real science
    lots of “facts” u given are not proven stuffs
    in fact, its what most of us never even heard before of. Its like u are better than those researchers doing researches.

    while i enjoy peoples’ feedback, infact i am searching for people like those to to correct what i may have understood wrongly, your feedbacks are really offensive and aggressive. AND YOU DO NOT TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY THEY TREAT YOU.

    scroll up and look at every comments between u and me, since the very start please.

    • Bean: “stop claiming u have been giving real science
      lots of “facts” u given are not proven stuffs
      in fact, its what most of us never even heard before of. Its like u are better than those researchers doing researches.”

      What researchers are backing your claims? And where is their research backing these claims since you have failed to produce any?

      • i didnt claimed that it was from “real science” like u do.

        everything we have discussed until now, u have yet to prove me wrong. so stop saying its wrong.

        • Bean: “i didnt claimed that it was from “real science” like u do.”

          I did not say “real science” in the post you are responding to. I asked for “research”, which you failed to provide. So again you show your poor reading skills, which also explains why you kept misquoting the abstracts I provided proving osteoporosis was due to collagen loss, not mineral loss as you keep falsely claiming.

          Bean: “everything we have discussed until now, u have yet to prove me wrong. so stop saying its wrong.”

          LOL!!! I have proven you wrong numerous times. But you keep twisting what was said to make it appear that you were not wrong in the first place even though the solid evidence says otherwise.

  79. of course i know alkalosis is also a disease. But due do the modern diet which is really “acidic” there’s virtually no way for our body to take in too much alkalies. Even if we do eat only veges which is really hard for aprrox 90% of the population of the world, we are only restoring our body to a more balance state which is the results of taking in net forming acidic food for decades. Do you think something which takes so long to have effect can be overturn by just taking in alkalies in a short time ?
    and while lots of different food are really really acidic, its not the same with alkaline forming food. Their alkalinity is not as strong as the acidity of the those food.

    James : “Again, if people would simply learn how the body really works then they would stop perpetuating these myths.”

    again if you would start opening your mind accept some of the facts, you might change your mind. NOT EVERYTHING U SAID IS PROVEN RIGHT EITHER.

    • Bean: “of course i know alkalosis is also a disease.”

      Clearly you did not, just like you did not know water is not a food. Funny though how every time I call you on your comments that prove you were unaware of these things that you all of a sudden claim that of course you knew that. If you did then why do you keep making such ridiculous statements to begin with?

      Bean: “But due do the modern diet which is really “acidic” there’s virtually no way for our body to take in too much alkalies.”

      Again, DIETS ARE NOT ACIDIC!!!!! Learn some real science and real anatomy and physiology!!!

      Bean: “Even if we do eat only veges which is really hard for aprrox 90% of the population of the world, we are only restoring our body to a more balance state which is the results of taking in net forming acidic food for decades.”

      Again, all MYTH!!!! In fact, how many naturally occurring acids are found in vegetables? A lot!!!! And again ALL foods, including vegetables are metabolized in to acids in the long run. There is NO such thing as an alkalizing food. As has been explained to you so many times the diet has virtually no effect on alkalizing the blood. How many times do you have to be told to learn some real chemistry and anatomy and physiology instead of just making crap up?

      Bean: “Do you think something which takes so long to have effect can be overturn by just taking in alkalies in a short time ?”

      If acidosis was cumulative like you imply and diets could really be acid forming as you also falsely claim then we would be dead in a short time from acidosis. Add learn some common sense along with real chemistry and anatomy and physiology.

      Bean: “and while lots of different food are really really acidic, its not the same with alkaline forming food.”

      You insist of repeating the same disproven garbage. I guess you will never realize the truth.

      Bean: “again if you would start opening your mind accept some of the facts, you might change your mind. NOT EVERYTHING U SAID IS PROVEN RIGHT EITHER”

      Then show me some facts rather than your assumptions. And if they are facts then back them with some real science instead of guessing.

      Also keep in mind that the things I have said are backed by real science. So far you have failed to provide any real evidence to prove anything I have claimed wrong. You just keep posting your assumptions of truth as evidence.

      • To james,

        DUDE, i never once mention alkalosis until u mention that it is a disease too. Why should i claim i know that it is a disease too when i didnt even touch a topic about it.

        and DUDE again, i am not like u. I dont like to explain stuffs which most of the population already know. Everyone knows water is a drink and not food. And thus, i feel its stupid to explain it to u, given u are an educated man possibly much more than me, and it would insult u if i had to explain every single small detail like water is not food to u. If u want me to explain that way to u, i can gladly try to make it as simple as possible to reduce the stress of other readers reading completely useless stuffs they already known.

        • Bean: “i never once mention alkalosis until u mention that it is a disease too. Why should i claim i know that it is a disease too when i didnt even touch a topic about it.”

          You keep harping on acidosis being so dangerous. Clearly you are not aware that alkalosis is even more dangerous. And this is all on topic since we are discussing the acid-alkaline myth.

          Bean: “I dont like to explain stuffs which most of the population already know. ”

          Reality, you cannot explain what you know nothing about. It is that simple. Just like how you implied water was food, that sugar was an acid, that amino acids and alkaline ammonia are the same thing, etc. Maybe the general public is well aware of the differences but you clearly are not.

      • To james,

        NOT ALL CHEMICAL COMPOSITION IN VEGES ARE METABOLIZED INTO ACIDS. get your “REAL SCIENCE” right 1st before you claim it to be a real science. BS. Again i have to stress here again, we are talking about NET forming. YOU are the one which is not acceptive to new ideas.

        OMG, how childish can u be ? that u feel the need to win argument of every sentence ? or u are just plain idiot. I CLEARLY meant these wont happen in a short time. and btw, FYI, acidosis is very dangerous and if not treated early enough, the acids would have done irreversible damages and cause problems with organ function, respiratory failure, and kidney failure. Severe acidosis can also cause shock or even death.

        common sense ? i think u are lacking a lot of it.

        yes, a lot of stuffs i said are my guesses or i would like to use the word hypothesis as u suggested to me. But bear in mind that its from real facts that these guesses are formed, and when one day it is proven, it will be a discovery.

        • Bean: “NOT ALL CHEMICAL COMPOSITION IN VEGES ARE METABOLIZED INTO ACIDS. get your “REAL SCIENCE” right 1st before you claim it to be a real science. ”

          More proof of how Bean twists what was REALLY said to fit his needs. NEVER did I claim that all the chemicals in vegetables were metabolized in to acids. What I have CLEARLY said over and over is the fact that ALL foods are eventually metabolized in to acids. This fact is not refutable. Proteins are broken down in to amino acids and eventually metabolized in to uric acid. Oils are metabolized in to fatty acids. The shorter chain sugars including those formed from starches are metabolized in to carbonic acid. The insoluble fibers (long chain sugar molecules) are fermented by the flora in to a variety of beneficial acids including lactic and acetic acids.

          Bean: “FYI, acidosis is very dangerous and if not treated early enough, the acids would have done irreversible damages and cause problems with organ function, respiratory failure, and kidney failure. Severe acidosis can also cause shock or even death.”

          Wow, you repeated the symptoms of acidosis I already posted for you!!! Nothing like riding on the coattails of someone that already knows what they are talking about to make yourself appear smart.

          But then you slid right back down in to Dunceville by ignoring the well known fact that acidosis is EXTREMELY rare. This despite the high consumption of foods that you falsely think are acid forming. Again, ALL foods are eventually metabolized in to acids. But the body uses respiration and kidney function as primary means to maintain the proper, necessary levels of acid in the blood while eliminating the rest. This is why acidosis is so rare regardless of what the propaganda sites you get your health information from claim.

          Bean: “yes, a lot of stuffs i said are my guesses or i would like to use the word hypothesis as u suggested to me. But bear in mind that its from real facts that these guesses are formed, and when one day it is proven, it will be a discovery.”

          Only IF it is ever proven. So far all the science has proven the alkalizing claims are completely bogus.

  80. Thanks everyone your comments have been incredibly helpful. I am more confused about this topic than I was when I first read the article. Mind numbing.

  81. To james

    u deny alkaline theory so much but u supported ozone therapy which doesnt have evidence and scientific studies strong enough to back it up. The ozone therapy can cost their whole life-savings while the alkaline theory to help in cancer cost the same price as a meal. Ozone therapy also comes with many hazards and serious side effects which can kill the user.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10394090/Ozone-therapy-endangered-patients-life-court-hears.html

    i really dont understand why u deny alkaline diet theory so much
    and u yourself admitted that u cant prove it to be wrong either

    • Bean: “u deny alkaline theory so much”

      It is not a theory, it is a hypothesis. A theory has evidence backing it.

      Bean: “but u supported ozone therapy which doesnt have evidence and scientific studies strong enough to back it up”

      Says who? Have you even bothered looking at the research and the chemistry backing ozone? Clearly not!!!

      Bean: “The ozone therapy can cost their whole life-savings while the alkaline theory to help in cancer cost the same price as a meal.”

      Yep, you CLEARLY have no idea what you are talking about again. Ozone machines are a fraction of the cost of the quack water ionizers so many people are trying to push for one. You also overlook that when the so-called “alkaline diet” does not work for a health problem then the cost becomes significantly higher.

      Bean: “Ozone therapy also comes with many hazards and serious side effects which can kill the user.”

      Wow, you found a propaganda article and never bothered to check your facts again. Study conducted in Germany followed nearly 6 million doses of ozone given. There were less that 40 adverse events reported most minor such as irritation at the injection site.

      Look, I can play your same game:

      http://www.ehow.com/about_5542158_alkaline-diet-complications.html

      The fact is that all therapies can pose dangers and possibly cause dearth is USED IMPROPERLY!!!! This does not make the therapies inherently dangerous, just the people who promote crap without understanding what they are promoting such as yourself.

      Bean: “i really dont understand why u deny alkaline diet theory so much”

      Again, it IS NOT a theory, it is a HYPOTHESIS!!! Learn the difference!!!

      Bean: “and u yourself admitted that u cant prove it to be wrong either”

      I have provided plenty of evidence discrediting the so-called alkaline diet. So stop making stuff up in a poor attempt to support your position.

      What I said is that the so-called “alkaline diet” DOES NOT alkalize the blood as has been proven by science, but it does provide health benefits by providing a high level of nutrition.

      • fine, ok. it is a hypothesis.

        but i am not going to argue further with u anymore on this topic.

        i urge everyone to search about ozone therapy, particularly the myths part and costs, and scientific reports backing it up if u can find it.

        i am far too lazy to continue with this stubborn person. Be your own judge and i am sure u can find what i said is true.

        he is just like everyone else explaining using his own assumptions, giving out opinions which doesnt have evidence proving it but just that he is much much more stubborn than anyone else.

        • Bean: “i urge everyone to search about ozone therapy, particularly the myths part and costs, and scientific reports backing it up if u can find it.”

          We have all seen Bean’s lack of research skills when he could not find “anything anywhere in the net” concerning the fact that osteoporosis is a loss of collagen matrix. Yet I found two studies in less than two minutes with hardly any effort. If I tried a little harder I could have found even more since there is more research backing this readily available. It just takes being smarter than a first grader to find the research.

          But to show Bean how easy it is once again, here:

          http://medcapsules.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=354

          This is only some of the research readily available. I have other research that is not on the internet and thus was not listed. Pay attention to that fact Bean. Not all research can be found on the internet. Sometimes you have to resort to other sources such as medical libraries and databases.

          I also recommend that anyone real serious about the research on ozone also get the book The Use of Ozone in Medicine, which was written by doctors for doctors.

  82. I know WATER IS NOT FOOD. but u are smart enough to know that i am implementing the concept that both goes in our mouth and absorbed by our body. And if water does changes to our body, why not food ?

    and FYI, i have been trying alkaline water for past few weeks and the effects are amazing. I have chronic acne for past 10 years and i have tried basically everything from antibiotics to laser therapy. The only thing i havent tried is plastic surgery. I myself never trust this alkaline BS but since my family brought one of the water ionizer which produces alkaline water, i have no choice but to drink this water (unless i boil tap water everyday). In just 2-3 weeks, i can see that no more big acne comes out till now. I also frequently get sick from flu and cough but i have been sick free ever since. My little brother has asthma attacks once in a while but he hasnt had any ever since he started drinking this water. I TELL U TO TRY IT BECAUSE U WILL NOT TRUST ME.

    The reason i tell u to try not alkaline water but acidic water is that i know u will just SPOUT ANOTHER THEORY why your body gets healthier and its not because of this alkaline water. If u try to explain why i get lesser acne , flu and cough, and my brother’s asthma, u just justified my reason to let u try the acid water.

    • Bean: “I know WATER IS NOT FOOD”

      Apparently not.

      Bean: “i am implementing the concept that both goes in our mouth and absorbed by our body. And if water does changes to our body, why not food ?”

      Of course water and food implement changes in the body. There is just no evidence that either alkalize the body as people keep trying to claim.

      Water can react with silica forming orthosilicic acid, which is essential to the body. And water helps to maintain the vascular system. Food can supply energy sources for the body and provides amino acids that help form neurotransmitters and hormones among other functions of food. But again, where is the proof that either alkalize the blood?

      Bean: “and FYI, i have been trying alkaline water for past few weeks and the effects are amazing. I have chronic acne for past 10 years and i have tried basically everything from antibiotics to laser therapy. The only thing i havent tried is plastic surgery. I myself never trust this alkaline BS but since my family brought one of the water ionizer which produces alkaline water, i have no choice but to drink this water (unless i boil tap water everyday). In just 2-3 weeks, i can see that no more big acne comes out till now. I also frequently get sick from flu and cough but i have been sick free ever since. My little brother has asthma attacks once in a while but he hasnt had any ever since he started drinking this water. I TELL U TO TRY IT BECAUSE U WILL NOT TRUST ME.”

      I have tried it and I did not like it. I also know a lot of other people who tried it and reported becoming ill from drinking the water, which makes a lot of sense if you understand the chemistry.

      If the water really helped your acne or your brother’s asthma as you claimed then there must be a scientific rationale for these effects. So exactly how did the water affect the androgen hormone levels that lead to acne formation or the adrenal dysfunction that leads to asthma. Please be specific in your explanations.

      I see people trying to make a case for the quack ionized alkaline water all the time giving credit to the water when they did other things that are what really helped. For example, a woman on another site tried to claim the ionized alkaline water got her off her thyroid medication although there is nothing in the water that supports thyroid function. She totally ignored the fact that her doctor claimed she was magnesium deficient and therefore was given magnesium shots and started on a magnesium citrate supplement. Guess what REAL science has proven to support thyroid function? That’s right, MAGNESIUM!!! So it was the magnesium shots and supplements that likely helped her get off her thyroid medication since the water has nothing in it to significantly help.

      Again, people do this all the time. They want so hard to believe in a product that they throw common sense out the window and give credit to a product that has nothing to do with it while ignoring the other changes that were really helping.

      Another good example of this is cesium chloride often touted as a cancer cure. This despite the fact that cesium chloride has been shown to induce cancer and promote the growth of already existing cancers. Yet the believers love to quote one study that showed a small number of remissions among test subjects given cesium chloride. Sounds promising until you read the rest of the study they ignored where the people were given various other things in conjunction including things known to boost immunity and fight cancer. So there is no proof that cesium chloride cured any cases of cancer. Although various other studies do show that it causes and promotes cancer.

      As another example, another quack cancer and AIDS “cure” is “oleander soup”. Every humans study on oleander has found it to ineffective for cancer and according to the latest research appears to shorten the lives of cancer patients. But the promoters of oleander ignore this fact and also twist the findings to make it sound effective when it is not. And as usual they cite one source that makes it sound effective. This is not even a study, but rather someone’s thesis. What the promoters of quack oleander ignore is that in these thesis the person is also discussing the use of Sutherlandia, which unlike oleander has been proven to cure cancer. Yet they ignore this fact and give credit to the oleander, which has been proven to be ineffective while ignoring the Sutherlandia given to the same patients despite its being proven to be effective. Same with the AIDS patients who were given antiviral and immune stimulating foods and supplements. So it is common for people to ignore common sense and real research to focus on what they desire to believe even when no scientific reasoning exists.

      Bean: “The reason i tell u to try not alkaline water but acidic water is that i know u will just SPOUT ANOTHER THEORY why your body gets healthier and its not because of this alkaline water. If u try to explain why i get lesser acne , flu and cough, and my brother’s asthma, u just justified my reason to let u try the acid water.”

      Did you know that the acidic water is actually antioxidant? As where the alkaline water contains caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides that chemically burn tissues and dangerously neutralize stomach acid. As these caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides disassociate they form the very dangerous hydroxyl radical. Again, basic science. Unfortunately people are often too laze to do real research. So they just read some bogus propaganda sales site and accept whatever they claim as the gospel. Kangen is no exception. See:

      http://medreview.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/top-5-worst-internet-health-information-sites-curezone-org-part-3-alkalineacid-support-forum-part-1/

      • To james,

        thats exactly the reason why i tell u to drink the water. because u said theres no proof to water alkalizes the blood. If i drink it and show it to u, u wont believe it and just come out with another 100+ reasons why it happen and not because of the water.

        i can try to research why it helped me, but u will just again come up with countless reasons again. Its futile and i dont want to waste my time anymore with such a stubborn person.

        all the more reason i tell u to try acidic water instead of alkaline. because if alkaline water does help u, u will just spout another reason unrelated to water which make the change in your body

        if u think this acidic water is anti-oxidants, wow, its really good. it can clear up free radicals for u. u should really try it.

        as for how the machine creates alkaline water is not by adding those metals. its mainly by electrolysis of water to make the water separates into H+ and OH- and by manipulating the concentration of H+ and OH-, walahhhh, u got your alkaline water or acidic water.

        FYI, enagic’s kangen water machine has operate in japan for past 40 years and the only known problem found is that its contraindicated in people who cant produce enough stomach acids. and yes, it has obtained much more quality and safety recognition all around the world than some of the methods u recommended to other people. If u think that the water is dangerous, go ahead and sue them, stop spreading rumors and unproven stuffs on the net like so many other people.

        as for how u said it dangerously neutralize stomach acids, it just shows that u are the 1 that did not do any research. Although stomach acids exists at normal time, it is mainly produced when there is food intake. That is why people who dont eat at the same time everyday more prone to gastric. This is proven real science.

        • Bean: “thats exactly the reason why i tell u to drink the water. because u said theres no proof to water alkalizes the blood. ”

          EXACTLY, NO proof just as I have been saying all along. So stop trying to promote this myth as fact.

          Bean: “i can try to research why it helped me, but u will just again come up with countless reasons again.”

          Again, REAL facts cannot be disputed. Therefore, all you have to do is to provide some REAL research backing your claim. Even a scientific explanation of exactly how the water is working for these different conditions. All I keep hearing from you is excuses as to why you can’t provide the evidence. Come on Bean be honest and just admit the reason is that there is no real reason the water can help other than maybe placebo effect.

          Bean: “if u think this acidic water is anti-oxidants”

          Yes, this is BASIC science. You should try using some basic science for once. You will be surprised at what facts you may actually learn. Just like how basic science has proven how ionized alkaline water disassociates forming the powerful and dangerous hydroxyl radical.

          Bean: “as for how the machine creates alkaline water is not by adding those metals. ”

          Never said it did. I have made it CLEAR that they start with mineralized water. The minerals in the water allow for the formation of caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides, which when dissociate form the dangerous hydroxyl radical. Look it up. Ah, that’s right, I forgot you don’t know how to do even basic research. Just like how you could find nothing anywhere on the internet discussing the fact that osteoporosis is the result of collagen, not mineral loss. Yet I found two studies in less than two minutes. And there is still more I could have found if I spent a little more time. All you have to do is to know how to research to find the facts.

          Bean: “its mainly by electrolysis of water to make the water separates into H+ and OH- and by manipulating the concentration of H+ and OH-, walahhhh, u got your alkaline water or acidic water”.

          Very good, all stuff I have explained to people in the past. What you left out are the facts that the negatively charged OH binds with the positively charged metals in the minerals forming the caustic mineral (metal) hydroxides known for neutralizing stomach acid and chemically burning tissues. As these disassociate they form the dangerous hydroxyl radical.

          Bean: “FYI, enagic’s kangen water machine has operate in japan for past 40 years”

          So what? Chemotherapy has been around longer than that. This does not mean it is safe or effective!!!

          Bean: “and the only known problem found is that its contraindicated in people who cant produce enough stomach acids”

          There are a lot more dangers than that. But again, you have to understand basic chemistry and how the body really works to understand why it also increases the risk of cancer, heart disease, allergies, immune suppression, hormone imbalances, neurotransmitter imbalances, decreased collagen synthesis, nutritional deficiencies, etc. Obviously you don’t understand basic chemistry and how the body really works. This is why you keep getting your health information from propaganda filled sales sites.

          Bean: “If u think that the water is dangerous, go ahead and sue them, stop spreading rumors and unproven stuffs on the net like so many other people.”

          You obviously know as little about law as you do health. In order to sue you have to show cause as in proof of your own injury. Since I have never tried the water long term to cause these problems I don’t have cause. Again, you should learn something about what you are posting about before posting such foolish assumptions

          By the same token, if you had even the slightest clue of what you were talking about then you would know that these are not unproven statements but rather well known science and human physiology.

          Bean: “as for how u said it dangerously neutralize stomach acids, it just shows that u are the 1 that did not do any research. Although stomach acids exists at normal time, it is mainly produced when there is food intake.”

          Note your own wording of “mainly”. Thus you are apparently also aware that stomach acid can also be produced even when food is not present. Even drinking water produces stomach acid. And basic proven real science has proven that the stomach acid will neutralize the alkaline water making it no longer alkaline unless the alkaline water dangerously overwhelms the stomach’s acidity.

          • I found reading this interesting until it got to be a full out spat and it was about only refuting another’s claim rather than informing the general public and that person. I don’t credit or discredit the alkaline water community. Honestly I have met many who swear by their water machines and they are radiantly healthy individuals. But it might just be put down to the fact that they are doing themselves the gigantic favor of drinking more water which we should all do. I was looking for information and in the end had to settle for an argument. Will have to go elsewhere to understand the validity of alkaline vs acid.

            • Hi Elizabeth,

              Addressing your comment about some people using these machines and looking radiantly healthy this does not mean anything. First of all we have to keep in mind that many people who are severely ill can still look radiantly healthy. This is why so many people do not realize they are sick with cancer or other diseases until they go in for routine tests or some trauma or health issue pops up and they end up in the hospital where tests are run.

              In addition people who invest in to these machines thinking they are doing something healthy are likely doing other things for their health such as a better diet, herbs, supplements, exercise, etc. To give credit to a caustic water without any evidence to back this is ridiculous, but people do it all the time Just like the lady who swore up and down that the ionized alkaline water cured her hypothyroidism. Of course the water will not do squat for hypothyroidism. With further questioning low and behold the truth came out. She said she had started feeling better after receiving magnesium injections from her chiropractor. So she continued to supplement with magnesium citrate. Guess what helps support thyroid function? Magnesium!!!

              This is why real scientific evidence is needed instead of assumptions that something is working just because people want to believe that after they plunked down $5,000 on one of these quack devices that it had better do something for their money’s worth! So most people are not going to believe that a $12 bottle of magnesium cured them when they were conned in buying a $5,000 machine to correct what people claim will cure the same health issues.

              On the seller’s side they need to justify their expensive machines. So they use whatever twisted scientific facts or outright bogus science claims counting on people not researching the claims.

              For example, they claim the alkaline water is antioxidant. Have they ever explained this claim scientifically? I have never seen a real explanation. But we know in chemistry that antioxidant means “anti-oxygen”. So an antioxidant would have to neutralize oxygen radicals such as singlet oxygen. But the hydroxyl radicals formed by the disassociation of the mineral (metal) hydroxides in the ionized alkaline water DOES NOT neutralize singlet oxygen. On the other hand the hydrogen ions in the acid water does as pointed out in my earlier post. If the alkaline water peddlers had any proof whatsoever to the contrary then they would have posted the proof. Instead they simply come back with unsupported claims and misinterpretations of the studies they tout.

              This is why I always tell people RESEARCH the claims they read on the internet from credible sources. I even tell people to research my claims because I have already researched the facts from credible medical sources and am confident in my statements. And unlike so many of the people who tend to post on medical topics on blogs and videos I have a very long medical background and do know how to read and understand medical studies.

              Anyway, good luck with your health research.

              James

  83. Bean: “It dont have to be severe for our body to start looking for other sources of alkali forming substances, because our body already dont have the means to keep the pH in normal range.”

    James: “Again, the body DOES NOT have to seek out alkali forming substances since virtually all pH regulation is through respiration followed by ion secretion or retention by the kidneys. NO alkaline reserves required and no having to seek out alkaline forming substances in these methods that account for virtually all pH regulation in the body.”

    Bean: ” It might just be normal for a while while our body compensates it and it slowly decreases till below pH 7.35 which doctors may finally start to diagnose it as metabolic acidosis. the reason why people is saying only under EXTREME conditions, that minerals are pulled out is that people can noticed it much easier under such conditions. It doesnt prove tha