What do all of these chronic diseases have in common?
- Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline, and memory loss (collectively referred to as “aging”)
- Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
- Mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and psychosis
- Cardiovascular disease
- Learning or developmental disorders in kids
- Autism spectrum disorder
- Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
- Cancer
- Male and female infertility
Answer: Their signs and symptoms can all be mimicked by a vitamin B12 deficiency.
An Invisible Epidemic
B12 deficiency isn’t a bizarre, mysterious disease. It’s written about in every medical textbook, and its causes and effects are well-established in the scientific literature.
However, the condition is far more common than most healthcare practitioners and the general public realize. Data from a Tufts University study suggests that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range—a range at which many experience neurological symptoms. Nine percent had an outright nutrient deficiency, and 16 percent exhibited “near deficiency.” Most surprising to the researchers was the fact that low B12 levels were as common in younger people as they were in the elderly. (1)
That said, this type of deficiency has been estimated to affect about 40 percent of people over 60 years of age. It’s entirely possible that at least some of the symptoms we attribute to “normal” aging—such as memory loss, cognitive decline, and decreased mobility—are at least in part caused by a deficiency.
Why Is It Underdiagnosed?
This is why most studies underestimate true levels of deficiency. Many deficient people have so-called “normal” levels of B12.
Yet, it is well-established in the scientific literature that people with B12 levels between 200 pg/mL and 350 pg/mL—levels considered “normal” in the U.S.—have clear vitamin deficiency symptoms. (2) Experts who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of a deficiency, like Sally Pacholok, R.N., and Jeffrey Stuart, D.O., suggest treating all patients that are symptomatic and have B12 levels less than 450 pg/mL. (3) They also recommend treating patients who show normal B12 levels but also have elevated urinary methylmalonic acid (MMA), homocysteine, or holotranscobalamin, which are other markers of a deficiency in vitamin B12.
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In Japan and Europe, the lower limit for B12 is between 500 and 550 pg/mL. Those levels are associated with psychological and behavioral symptoms, such as:
- Cognitive decline
- Dementia
- Memory loss (4)
Some experts have speculated that the acceptance of higher levels as normal in Japan and the willingness to treat levels considered “normal” in the U.S. explain the low rates of Alzheimer’s and dementia in that country.
What Is Vitamin B12 and Why Do You Need It?
Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. You can think of the brain and the nervous system as a big tangle of wires. Myelin is the insulation that protects those wires and helps them to conduct messages.
Severe B12 deficiency in conditions like pernicious anemia (an autoimmune condition where the body destroys intrinsic factor, a protein necessary for the absorption of the vitamin) used to be fatal until scientists figured out death could be prevented by feeding patients raw liver, which contains high amounts of B12. But anemia is the final stage of a deficiency. Long before anemia sets in, deficient patients will experience several other problems, including fatigue, lethargy, weakness, memory loss, and neurological and psychiatric problems.
The Stages of a Deficiency
B12 deficiency occurs in four stages, beginning with declining blood levels of the vitamin (stage I), progressing to low cellular concentrations of the vitamin (stage II), an increased blood level of homocysteine and a decreased rate of DNA synthesis (stage III), and finally, macrocytic anemia (stage IV). (5)
Common B12 Deficiency Symptoms
The signs can look like the symptoms of several other serious disorders, and the neurological effects of low B12 can be especially troubling.
Here are some of the most common vitamin B12 deficiency symptoms:
- Tingling or numbness in the hands and feet
- Brain fog, confusion, and memory problems
- Depression
- Premature aging
- Cognitive decline
- Anemia
- Weakness
- Fatigue
- Reduced appetite and weight loss
- Constipation
- Trouble balancing (6)
Children can also show symptoms, including developmental issues and learning disabilities if their B12 levels are too low.
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Why Is It So Common?
The absorption of B12 is complex and involves several steps—any of which can go wrong. Any of the following can cause B12 malabsorption:
- Intestinal dysbiosis
- Leaky gut and gut inflammation
- Atrophic gastritis or hypochlorhydria, or low stomach acid
- Pernicious anemia
- Medications, especially proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) and other acid-suppressing drugs
- Alcohol
- Exposure to nitrous oxide, during either surgery or recreational use
This explains why a deficiency can occur even in people eating large amounts of B12-containing animal products. In fact, many of my patients that are B12 deficient are following a Paleo diet where they eat meat two or three times daily.
Who Is at Risk for a Deficiency?
In general, the following groups are at greatest risk for a deficiency:
- Vegetarians and vegans
- People aged 60 or over
- People who regularly use PPIs or acid-suppressing drugs
- People on diabetes drugs like metformin
- People with Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac, or IBS
- Women with a history of infertility and miscarriage
Note to Vegetarians and Vegans: B12 Is Found Only in Animal Products
You cannot get B12 from plant-based sources. This vitamin is only found in animal products. That’s why vegetarians and vegans need to know the signs of deficiency—and the steps necessary to fix the problem.
A common myth among vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:
- Fermented soy
- Spirulina
- Brewers yeast
However, plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of and increase the need for true B12. (7) That explains why studies consistently demonstrate that up to 50 percent of long-term vegetarians and 80 percent of vegans are deficient in B12. (8, 9)
Seaweed is another commonly cited plant source of B12, but this idea is controversial. Research indicates that there may be important differences in dried versus raw purple nori; namely, raw nori may be a good source of B12, while dried nori may not be. One study indicated that the drying process used for seaweed creates B12 analogs, making it a poor source of the vitamin, while animal research suggests that dried nori can correct a B12 deficiency. (10, 11) Seaweed may provide B12, but it’s not clear if those benefits are negated when that seaweed is dried. I recommend caution for that reason.
The Impact of a Deficiency on Children
The effects of B12 deficiency on kids are especially alarming. Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient even years after they start eating at least some animal products. In one study, the researchers found an association between a child’s B12 status and their performance on testing measuring:
- Spatial ability
- Fluid intelligence
- Short-term memory
Researchers found that formerly vegan children scored lower than their omnivorous counterparts in each area. (12)
The deficit in fluid intelligence is particularly troubling, the researchers said, because this area impacts a child’s ability to reason, work through complex problems, learn, and engage in abstract thinking. Defects in any of these areas could have long-term consequences for kids.
I recognize that there are many reasons why people choose to eat the way they do, and I respect people’s right to make their own choices. I also know that, like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. This is why it’s absolutely crucial for those that abstain from animal products to understand that there are no plant sources of B12 and that all vegans and most vegetarians should supplement with B12.
This is especially important for vegetarian or vegan children or pregnant women, whose need for B12 is even greater. If you’re not willing to take a dietary supplement, it may be time to think twice about your vegetarian or vegan diet.
How to Treat a Deficiency
One of the greatest tragedies of the B12 epidemic is that diagnosis and treatment are relatively easy and cheap—especially when compared to the treatment patients will need if they’re in a late stage of deficiency. A B12 test can be performed by any laboratory, and it should be covered by insurance. If you don’t have insurance, you can order it yourself from a lab like DirectLabs.com.
As always, adequate treatment depends on the underlying mechanism causing the problem. People with pernicious anemia or inflammatory gut disorders like Crohn’s disease are likely to have impaired absorption for their entire lives and will likely require B12 injections or high-dose oral cobalamin indefinitely. This may also be true for those with a severe deficiency that’s causing neurological symptoms.
Typically in the past, most B12 experts recommended injections over high-dose oral cobalamin for people with pernicious anemia and an advanced deficiency involving neurological symptoms. However, recent studies have suggested that high-dose oral or nasal administration may be as effective as injections for those with B12 malabsorption problems. (13, 14)
Try Supplementing
Japanese studies indicate that methylcobalamin is even more effective in treating neurological symptoms and that it may be better absorbed because it bypasses several potential problems in the B12 absorption cycle. (15, 16) On top of that, methylcobalamin provides the body with methyl groups that play a role in various biological processes important to overall health.
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Change Your Diet
Nourishing your body through whole food is the best way to get the vitamins and nutrients you need. If you’re low on B12, try eating some vitamin-rich foods like:
- Liver
- Shellfish
- Clams
- Oysters
- Organ Meats
Eating other kinds of seafood, like octopus, fish eggs, lobster, and crab, can also help you attain normal B12 levels. If you’re seafood-averse, you can also get this vitamin from:
- Lamb
- Beef
- Eggs
- Cheese
It’s important to note, though, that the amount of B12 in these foods is nowhere near as high as the levels in shellfish and organ meats.
What to Do if You’re Experiencing Vitamin B12 Deficiency Symptoms
If you suspect you have a deficiency, the first step is to get tested. You need an accurate baseline to work from.
If you are B12 deficient, the next step is to identify the mechanism causing the deficiency. You’ll probably need help from a medical practitioner for this part. Once the mechanism is identified, the appropriate form (injection, oral, sublingual, or nasal) of supplementation, the dose, and the length of treatment can be selected.
So, next time you or someone you know is “having a senior moment,” remember: It might not be “just aging.” It could be B12 deficiency.
I’m very sorry to have to say that the Jarrow brand, while outstanding for 9 years has changed. We are conducitng a collection of data searching for some additional brands. Right now only the Enzymatic Therapy B12 infusion is the only 5 star mb12 and Anabol Dibencoplex, adb12 with Boron is added to the good adb12 brands. The effect of Boron is a little foggy right now but it does make a difference for many. I had a resonalbly severe Subacute combined degenration flare up with the Jarrow after 9+ good years. Others have had similar problems.
After taking the injections of cyano regularly for 4 months, my b12 levels went from under 200 to 1200. Do I still need to continue the injections? Does this mean I don’t have PA?
A friend mentioned that b12 levels drop significantly after a stroke. Has anyone heard or read about any information to support this?
Thanks for reading,
Lucy
Cyanocbl is about 1/100 to 1/10,000 as effective as the combined adb12 and mb12. No matter what your level “pernicious anemia” is never cured as that indicates you have antibodies or otherwise lack intrinsic factor and can’t absorb b12 from the diet. Cyaocbl injections are far inferior to sublingual 5 star mmb12 and adb12 as far as healing the up to several hundred symptoms you may have. Cyanocbl may affect a few of them. It is the worst possible form of treatment for any b12 deficincy that might have even a prayer of doing something. The question to ask, are ALL your symptoms noticably better or only those measured by tests? If not you might want to look for something that actually works. My average serum level is en excess of 100,000pg/ml for nweurological health in my subacute combined degeneration nervous system. That was what was need to improve the last 50 or symptoms.
Hi Freddd, I have been injecting Cyanocbl B12 for a couple of months now and have not had the nerve healing I had hoped for and I have read here that there are more effective treatments for B12 deficiency. I have looked on iherb.com and can’t seem to see the items you recommend in your post…there are so many choices and brands. The pill form I had tried before I got at a GNC store and they didn’t work. I want to try the kind you said worked for you but I can’t find it. Can you post a link or two to the specific items I need? I’d appreciate it.
Pernicious anemia doesn’t just go away. It’s an autoimmune condition. You will need ongoing B12 supplementation, but active forms like methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin are superior to the cyanocobalamin form. The Jarrow form of methylcobalamin and the Source Naturals dibencozide (adenosylcobalamin) that Fredd recommends are good choices.
hi.this is dolly..
since last 2 years,once in every 4 to 6 months, I suffered from light-headedness ,accompanied by dizziness and nausea.This continued for a while-around a weak,and then would subside..the doctor gave me Vertin along with some antibiotics .In july 2012,I had a the similar symptoms,but more intense, and lasted long…this time it was also accompanied by some vision problem… swaying moment,weakness and all..it took me a long time to get better.
However since that time I have never felt completely relaxed,as now and then i have a feeling of light-headedness,severe heaviness in eyes and sometimes in head , headaches- which are not very intense ,intolerance to crowded places especially malls etc., confusion.and so many more..
The doctor gave me antibiotics in intervals which made me felt better for the time being…
Finally I checked with the neurologist.He thinks it to be the Symptoms of migraine and also recommended a B-12 test..So finally today I was diagnose with the B-12 deficiency which is 171 pg/ml..He has suggested 10 injection of -UNICOBAL and also the oral cap.of the same..(I being a pure veg.no eggs too).He thinks my B-12 level triggers the Migraine…
My concern is that all these are really the symptoms of deficiency of B-12 . and nothing else!!.I am really really confused ..since last seven months not a day of my life has been normal…I feel depressed.Once a active and energetic me is becoming dull and depressed..
someone pl. suggest…
Don’t give up Jan. You deserve to live a good life. Hopefully these people are learning from you.
Hi everyone. I have no idea how to read this site, where to start. I have been dealing with a B12 deficiency for two years. I cannot stop the shots, or space them too far apart. If I do, I drop back into the 200’s and I am sure I would go back to double numbers. It is so so so frustrating. I am someone who was dx with MS, incorrectly. Then, they decided it was CIDP, sort of like the chronic form of Guillain Barre. It got really bad, the banding of my feet, the extreme numbness, was horrible and I had to pull myself up stairs. I was in the hospital 7 times last year to receive treatments of IVIG, and while it worked, it also made me very sick. So, I am in remission, numbly. And, the shots that I gave myself to treat the MS for 4 yrs, seems t have caused my heart to develop a “spot” on it that now causes the electrical impulses to malfunction. I was going into fatal ventricular tach. I had a defibralator implanted in Feb. to save my life. I can never tell you how upset and frustrating my life has become, why in the world are our numbers so out of whack in the US? When will someone address that issue? 200 is nornal? Really? Our lab charts show normal ranges of 200-900. It is horrible. And, my neurologist is a specialist in muscle/neuropathy, as with the CIDP, but seems clueless about B12. However he told me last week he thinks that I have pernecious anemia. And no one will hear of having the Methy. B12, they all tell me that the synthetic is fine. My numbers do go up with that, so am I ok? I hate all of this, and I hate being my own Dr. I have lost all of my reflexes in my body. He thought they may have been slightly better, but he said not any better last week. The beta blocker that I now have to take to keep my heart on track is messing with me a lot as well. Cold extremities, body temp usually at 97.5, and then frying hot. No ovaries since 2003, so this is not menopause. And, lost both breasts to cancer in 2004, so no replacement therapy, natural or otherwise. Autonomics? probably.
Jan,
My heart breaks for you. It IS terrible that our country’s medical professionals still are so clueless about this. And I am guessing our “normal” range hasn’t been changed because drug companies cannot make money off B12 deficiency. It disgusts me. I was lucky enough to have caught mine before, hopefully, any long term damage was done.
I take cyanocobalamin shots too and it helped me and made my levels rise. I think if that works for you then don’t sweat it right away. You could try the sublingual methycobalamin in addition to it. I did that for a few months and I did not notice any great difference in how i felt. I had to add B-6 to get my foot numbness/pins and needles to get better. I only take 50 mg every night at bedtime for that and it worked well.
I think the best thing we can do is be as vocal as possible both online and in person to spread awareness so that more and more people are educated and hopefully at some point someone will fund a study and prove that methyl is better than cyano and change the normal range as well.
At any rate, you are not alone and I hope things get better for you.
Thanks Mary. The really bad part of getting sick for me has been being my own Dr. I had to fight for the core needle biopsy, it could not be cancer, cancer does not look like that, and I lost both breasts, it was really aggressive. I had to fight for everything that has been done, do my own research, and now I will have to continue to do so. No one would listen about my heart. I had to fight to get the holter monitor, they treated it like it was nothing, but when my spouse turned the monitor in at noon, they called me and me in CCU by 2, and told me not to drive. I should have died. And, I have no heart disease, just electrical issues. Same for the brain tumor. Fight fight fight. What is wrong in this world? Sometimes, I just get tired and want to stop it all.
Hi Jen
At the least, Enzymatic Therapy b12 infusion (1mg). Also Anabol Dibnecoplex. Put 1/4 of the mb12 under your top lip and about 1/6 of the capsule along the gum;ine along your lower lip. Let both st there for 2 hours. Also Metafolin (L-methylfolate) 800mcg. In 3 days it is highly likely that methylation will turn on starting up widespreqad healing in your body. At that point be sure th have potaqssium on hand and be prepared to t5ake 2000-3000mg of potassium daily in at least 5 doses, motstly with food and to tiyrate methylfolate to comfort of the other set of new ly intensified symtpoms. There is a post a ways up the page that distinguishes the two and has a lot of “IF” statements. Also all the usual vitamins and minerals and omega3 will either be supplemented or will run out and stop healing. SOme people need l-carnitine fumarate to really turn on healing BUT if a person has “anxiety” on a regular basis the person has to be very cautious with LCF and get specific very low titatration (100MCG) NOTmg.instructions. First there will be intesnsified neurology everything, that is normal. Then you will like feel quite sick on the third day and potassium and more metafolin woll help. Metafolin might need to go up to 15-30mg (worst form of paradoxical folate defciency folinic acid-veggie)), 6-9mg (middle severeity paradoxical folate deficiency folic acid) 2400mcg of Metafolin, normal folate utilization.
This is likely to work 100-10,000 times better than any “shots” for real b12 deficienciencoies, which you clearly have. You may start feeling the ENZY mb12 5 minutes after you put it in your mouth along your gum. I healed by the day. Good luck.
Hi, can anyone please help with some advice? i’m going round in circles after various tests all showing up different results, and i dont know whats wrong with me!! i’m still awaiting further testing for zinc, prealbumin and lactulose breath test. I’m also still waiting for coeliac diagnosis but villi atrophy wasnt bad enough so im back on gluten with another biopsy to follow. My dr doesnt seem too worried but as i feel like im about to collapse at any minute i’m starting to get worried!! I have a whole host of symptoms, and i’m underweight. (47kg 1m68cm) Here are some of my results:
wbc: 10.41 10^3/mmc, rbc: 4.06 10^6/mmc, mcv: 96 fl, mch: 33 pg,
iron: 57 mcg/dl, ferratin: 23.77 ng/ml, vitamin b12: 104 pg/ml, folates: 2.3 ng/ml,
free t3: 3.86 pg/ml, c4 complement: 0.15 g/l, c3: 0.83 g/l,
ata iga 160.7, ata igg: 3.4
endoscopy and biopsy showing ii grade duodenitis, primary lesions, gastric metaplasia, villi atrophy.
genetic test: hla-drb1*:*03,*15, hla-dqa1*:*05:01, hla-dqb1*:*02:01,*06
h2 lactose breath test: constant zero for both hydrogen and methane…..
The blood count and iron/vitb12, folates results only came back 2 days ago, my doc just said go back to the gastroenterologist…….unfortunately this will take time, do i need to be worried? should i be on b12 shots straight away??
any help would put my mind to rest, thanks!!
My second B-12 shot after one week didn’t seem as effective. I may have given it to myself wrong, not deep enough. I don’t know. I waited 2 weeks for my third shot to see if I got noticeably weaker and I certainly did. I gave myself the third shot a few hours ago and already feel stronger and more coordinated plus I feel warmer again. I was sure to get the needle deep enough this time. I did because I felt the B-12 spreading out in my thigh muscle after the shot. I’m convinced now that my body has been starved for B-12 for a very long time.
Hi Robsct,
The most effective way to inject b12 is to inject methylb12 subcutaneously with a 31 gauge 5/16″ insulin syring. Any kind of injections wirth Cyanocbl or Hydroxycblo at any interval is the worsrt possibl2 way to trea b12 deficiency. At best it works on a few out of hundreds of symptoms. Adb12 and mb12 together will work on most all of the hundrees of asynptoms assuming needed cofactors. There are 4 critical factors to be sure of starting healing going a a good clip; adb12, mb12, methylfolate and l-carnitkne fumaratte. You can start feeling better and not stop. Cyanocbl and hydroxycbl make deficiency worse over time making most of the problems worse.
This can be confusing reading all this information. It’s discouraging to read that the shots that it took me a year to badger my doctor into letting me have are the wrong kind of B-12. I started having another problem recently and I don’t know that it’s related to the shots or not. I’ve been having some episodes where when I take the Parkinson’s medication it is not effective and I actually have a strength relapse where I have to sit for a long time before I recover any strength. I thought I may have been severely dehydrated from water pills I use to get rid of fluid but I never had this problem in the past when I used them. My sister thinks I have depleted my electrolytes. I have wondered if the B-12 shots burned up something else in my body faster and that was creating another deficiency.I have been getting such poor diagnosis from my doctor I don’t know what to do. I feel I need a thorough blood screening but they didn’t even do that when I went to the emergency room.They just did a standard screening
What kind of parkinson’s medication?. Here is the thing. taking b12 can trigger healing whicch will cause all sorts of induced deficiencies but right up front and potentially really badly, a potassium deficiency that causes spasms and all sorts of nasty symptoms. Right behind it can induce paradoxical folate deficiency (insufficiency) and thne potentially dozens of others. Now Parkinson’s appears to be at the tail end of a long term b12 deficiency in the brain. Tests show that people with Parkinson’s have low CSF cobalamin levels and raised MMA levels. This indicates low adenosylcobalamin, the active form that makes energy and appears to control inflammation very well as well as a likely mb12 insufficiency along with an extreme l-carnitine deficincy in the limbic system of the brain which is where all those mood (anxiety, fear, panic, anger, rage)m often seen as part of Parlinson’s reside. 1mg of l-carnitine can cause 36 hours of limbic insanity if there is adenosylb12 in the brain sufficient to make use of the l-carniitine. The ATP made in the neurons of the limbic system then is somehow connected to dopamin. Benzos also cause problems for these people as benzos lower the dopamin receptors sensitivity.
So while mb12, adb12 and methylfolate titrated from very low lovels to 100mcg of a combined adocbl and mecbl absorbed and 200mcg of Metafolin, then titrate potassium to comfortable levels, ie 2000-3000mg daily in 5 doses or so. Also, Metafolin may have to be adjusted to anywere between 800mcg and 30mg depending upon a person’s specfic genetic needs for types of folates. Many people have paradoxical folate deficiency. After this intial balance is attained and reasonaby stable, other vitamins adjusted as needed, then a very low and slow titration of L-carnitine of the right variety and amount. If you prefer to think about things differently than this, that is of couurse your choice. I’m merely offering my best right up to the bleeding edge hypothesis. Good luck.
Fred
Thanks for your responses Fred. I am not familiar with all those things and am not sure how to find out where I am with those substances in my body. My doctor is uncooperative and believes any improvement I feel from B-12 shots is in my head…the placebo affect. I’m trying to get a referral to a hematologist but that is a tricky thing too. I’d like to have a complete blood screening and see where I stand with everything.
Since my doctor diagnosed me with Parkinson’s he has had me taking Sinemet (carbidopa-Levodoa 25-250 mg tab) 4 times a day then increased to 5 times a day. I’ve been taking that since July 2011. It gives me a period of time of free movement that lasts 2 1/2 to 3 hours and, it used to be a little longer but the effect has diminished a little. The doctor says that if I didn’t have Parkinson’s the Sinemet would not work at all. But I don’t trust that he’s right about that either. If B-12 deficiency causes a Parkinson’s symptom then why wouldn’t a medication made to correct that work for B-12 deficiency too. Lately I’ve been having episodes when the SInemet doesn’t work or is delayed working with extreme weakness. My sister said she had similar problems when she was dehydrated and her electrolytes were out of balance from using water pills (as I do) and her doctor had to have her stop using water pills. So that symptom may be unrelated to B-12. It’s hard to say but I did have a recovery from this weakness after drinking Gaterade and Pedialite.But all these symptoms can be very confusing.
Fredddd, I think I have been having the extreme potassium deficiency you talked about. I am just learning how to deal with this and without the help of the medical profession who seem to snap and snarl like a dog when you mention B12 deficiency and that they might be wrong.
http://www.hy-ls.org/index.php/hyls/article/download/92/74
Here is a link for the paper to down load. Note that Born is referred to only as H4B as a catalyst in the reaction, but it is absoluteky critical.
Hi Fredd
Want to thank you again for sharing your journey and and the info you have accumulated along the way. AND! for dealing with ppl who express criticism and impatience regarding your strategy…can’t get over this weird sense of entitlement I guess;-) I hope you get back better and stronger!
Also, pls take a look at this formula by Thorne research that I found after reading your latest posts (very reputable company) called Basic Nutrients V, as I think it may serve as a basis of supplementation for many people, and they can add the extras you recommend to it:
http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=basic-nutrients-v
Let me know what you think if you get a chance:-))
Thnx!
Hi Kira,
It’s good to read labels. —500mcg as Calcium Folinate is liasted on the lable. If a person has the folinic acid (vegetable source folate) this could cause paradoxival folate deficiency blocking, with the folate from veggies up to 15-30mg of Metafolin. Until a person turns on healing, and titrates potassium and Metafolin until symprtoms go down and then try this item would you know if it would let you heal. Also,you would need the Enzymatic Therapy mb12 and the Anabol Dibencoplex to get adequate amounts of methycobalamin and adenosylcobalamin. The amount in the oral formula would absorb at best abourt 10-15 mcg. A 1mg sublingual held for 45-120 minuted xcould hold 15-25% (150-250mcg absorbed). The daily sublinguals are 100-10000 times as efective as injections if cyanocbl or \hydroxycbl of any amount at any interval.
http://www.canceraction.org.gg/system/files/ABSTRACT.pdf
Here is a taste from that paper, Adensylcobaloamin, the very large gorrila in the room.
Hi Everybody,
I had a reasonably severe relapse of Subacute combined degeneration (like a relapse of MS, increased dymyelination) t(also many overlapping with FMS/ME) hat has put me under since some time in August. My main line mb12, Jarrow, stopped being effective on my neurology (and a lot of other peoples too). Enzymatic Therapy B12 infusion is the only remaining mb12 I know of. I am helping organize a test of a lot of brands to see if some of those have changed for the better. It’s just as possible due to natural variations or something in the b12. Boy have I learned a lot. I am on the road to recovery yet again and mostly back.
Also I have identified a 4 way deadlock in people all around the adb12, mb12, l-methylfolate and KL-carnitine fumarate (or ALCAR for some). I also received the PA society newsleter showing a study that found 1/3 of the newer cobalamoin serum level tests are msiing severe deficiencies, even more useless than thought. For neurological good health I need my serum level over 100,000pg/ml at least half the day of 5 star mb12 and a good adb12. Right now the Anabol Dibencoplex appears to be about as good as an adb12 supplement can get. It has boron which the new paper shows where that is essential in the whole thing. So, for all those asking questions about various forms of b12, there are only two real b12s, adb12 and mb12. In combination they are 100 to 10,000 tomes more effective than hycbl and cyanocbl. Instead of being effective for a few symptoms and letting hundreds continue to get worse and have worsening deficiencies as with hycbl and cycbl the active combo is essentially 100% active for all symprtoms with the needed cofactors. The main poroblem is when it turns on hard everybody goes deficient in potassium and metafolin. The balance tends to look like this.
100mcg or nore combined active b12s (adb12 and mb12)
2400mcg metafolin, without paradoxical folate deficiency
6000-8000 mcg metafolin for folic acid based [paradoxical folate deficiency
12-30mg metafolin for folinic acid(veggie folate) paradoxical folate deficiency
2000-3000mg of additional potassium
The four members of the Deadlock Quartet are adb12, mb12, methylfolate and L-carnitine. Lack of any of these can prevent healing startup. People with anxiety need to start titrating l-carnitine from the Jarrow liquid at 100mcg (1/33 of a drop) to avoid huge anxiety-fear-panic etc reactions and increase of Parkinson’s type symptoms. However, all four are required for healing startup in some people and for continued healing. Using these excellent brands of mb12/adb12 sublingually far outperforms any injections.
The Very Large Gorilla Sitting in the Room? Adenosylcobalamin is the Missing Link: its Radical and Tetrahydrobiopterin are the Principal in vivo Catalysts for Mammalian Nitric Oxide Synthases.
Carmen Wheatley
In this paper Dr Wheatly lays the ground work for adenosylcobalamin, adb12, adocbl etc being tremendously more effective at reducing inflamation and disease than hydroxycbl. The difference in effect is so huge as to largly account for the overwhelming differnce in effectiveness of tyhe active b12 protocol
Sad to hear that you had a relapse Fred!! I hate to hear about this as I also have SCD from B12 deficiency and thankfully have not had a relapse for just over a year.
On a side note, funny you mention the newsletter from the PA society. I just got an email from them today : ) Some great info there!
I wish you continued recovery from this, take care.
hey im 19 year old and i just got my report it says that my b12 is 140 when the nrmal range is 176-686pmol/l,,i also have megaloblastic anemia,,my mcv is 106fl,im also underweight my bmi is 14,,i dnt have any clinical symptoms at all but i read online that macrocytosis is 4th and last stage of b12 defeciency,,should i be worried and do i require parenteral administration?
I talked to my doctor and although he says it’s all in my head that I improved he is allowing me to get a shot a week. I think the shots are cyanocobalamin B-12, I’ll check. What’s the difference? I did improve with only one shot. My daughter suggested that the water pill I take might be flushing the B-12 out of my body faster. I didn’t know there was a patch. Can your body get too much Folic acid? Is that vitamin C? I feel like there’s a very good chance I don’t have Parkinson’s Disease at all. Thanks everyone for your time and information. I ordered that book too.
I’m so glad you ordered the book. It will really help you.
Cyanocobalamin is synthetic B12 that your body must convert to an active form. It is the least effective form of B12 and is the cheapest one to make. it was developed a long time ago to treat pernicious anemia and may not be very effective at treating damage to the nervous system from B12 deficiency.
Methylcobalamin is an active form of B12 and is readily availalble without a prescription in sublingual form.
Folic acid is a synthetic form of folate (vitamin B9). About half the human population lacks the genetic make up to efficiently convert folic acid to folate. Fortunately, it is possible to buy metafolin which is the active form of folate, just like you can buy methylcobalamin, the active form of B12. Chris Kresser has a great article on the difference between folic acid and folate, here on this website.
Folate and B12 work together, so if you are going to supplement with one, it’s good to take both.
Hi, my blood test (MGH) showed a 296pmol/L. The range that the hospital had as normal was above 133. I really felt I was low but my doctor said no. Thank you Dr. Chris for this valuable information about the ranges and how Japan is so different. My Ferritin level was low so I am now on Iron supplements.
I am now going to start on a Vit. B12 patch (Each patch contains 1000 mcg of Vitamin B-12 (methylcobalamin) and 400 mcg of Folic acid).
I am looking forward to feeling more energy and having less memory problems.
Thank you so much!!
Today is one week since I had the first B-12 shot and had new strength return to my muscles. It feels like the B-12 shot has just been used up by my body and I need more. But the doctors say one shot a month is all I need. One size doesn’t fit all! How do they know what MY body needs? I’m going to talk to my doctor today about it all and ask him to allow me to take another shot and see if the weakness goes away again. If it does then case closed. If it doesn’t then he’s right. Why not test it? It can’t hurt me if I don’t need it.
Why not buy a bottle of Enzymatic Therapy methyl B12 and use it sublingually? If you want to continue with shots, make sure they are hydroxyB12 or methyl B12 and not cyanocobalamin. And, you can get the shots from a pharmacy and do it yourself.
I have depression at times and get B-12 shot monthly. I am still tired all the time. What I did today was tell my daughter to get blood work done since she has mood swings. I also had chrons but fortunate that it is in remission. Does anyone get more than 1 B-12 shot monthly? I continue to have mood swings.
Your body needs B12 all the time, not just once a month. There are people who inject methylcobalamin daily or twice weekly. Many other people are using sublingual methyl B12, Fred recommends Enzymatic Therapy B12 infusion. You can order it online and take it daily with better results than a monthly shot of cyanocobalamin. When B12 is used sublingually, you have to leave it in your mouth as long as posible–an hour or two, best between cheek and gum. If you are tired, you might also try dibencozide or adenosylcobalamin which helps boost energy in the cells. Buy a brand without folic acid.
It took over a year to convince my doctor to let me have B-12 shots…he says I have Parkinson’s and has me on meds for that. He only perscribed 10 B-12 shots, one a month, which I see from reading here is not enough. I got the first shot two days ago. Within a couple hours my legs felt stronger and they had more stamina. I also feel hotter. It’s a little easier getting up from a chair or out of bed. I’m thinking I should give myself the shots once a week (or more) and if I improve then convince the doctor somehow to give me more. He says once a month is enough to correct pernicious anemia which he doesn’t think II have. My B-12 tested in the 400’s (over a year ago) which is below the 550 threshold the Europeans use. And my symptoms have gotten worse since the time of that blood test. My iron has tested low since 2001. I’ve taken iron since then in a multivitamin with some improvement but never reaching normal levels. Comments?
I’m hoping someone might be able to help. I’m a 33 year old woman with pernicious anemia, I was diagnosed about 4 years ago and currently take cyanocobalamin injections once a month (I’m approved to take it twice a month) as well as methylcobalamin sublingual tablets. I have a 4.5 month old daughter who I am exclusively breastfeeding and I was concerned that she could be deficient because my own nerological symptoms have returned intermitently and I had been a little lax in taking the methly tablets since her birth. Her pediatrican tested her b12 level which showed up at 558 and her MMA test showed up at 220 I also requested a homocystine level which they didnt manage to do. I’m wondering if anyone knows what the normal range for infants is, the pediatrician is not concerned because she thinks that you have to be anemic to have a b12 deficiency.
Hi, there. I’m afraid I can’t read through the 600+ comments right now to see if this issue has already been addressed. I’m wondering if anyone has had any experience with headaches caused by sublingual methylcobalamin supplementation (or any B12 supplementation, for that matter). Thanks!
No, but you can search for the word “headache” and read what the postings say about them… right?
I have heard that if a person is deficient in both B12 and folate, a headache can result if the person takes B12 but not folate. Make sure you get folate, not folic acid.
@Lorina – It is possible, according to Sally Pachalok. You should be tested to rule out B12 deficiency as a possible contributing factor. If your test comes out normal, it’s still a good idea to try B12 and see if it helps. The benefit of getting tested is that your doctor will be more supportive if the result is obviously low.
Just to add to the dicussion. I recently went to the doctor complaining of many neurological symtoms. She told me she thought it was depression (despite my denial), but she ordered a blood test none the less. The blood test came back as both Iron and B12 deficient. The deficiency was not severe, however within a few days of taking B12 and iron, I felt almost completely restored. What a relief. I recommend to anyone with fuzzy thinking, memory loss and other neurological systems to get tested.