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A Silent Epidemic with Serious Consequences—What You Need to Know about B12 Deficiency

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Reviewed by Chris Masterjohn, PhD

This tired man rubbing his eyes may be experiencing B12 deficiency.
Fatigue is a common symptom of B12 deficiency.

What do all of these chronic diseases have in common?

  • Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline, and memory loss (collectively referred to as “aging”)
  • Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
  • Mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and psychosis
  • Cardiovascular disease
  • Learning or developmental disorders in kids
  • Autism spectrum disorder
  • Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
  • Cancer
  • Male and female infertility

Answer: Their signs and symptoms can all be mimicked by a vitamin B12 deficiency.

An Invisible Epidemic

B12 deficiency isn’t a bizarre, mysterious disease. It’s written about in every medical textbook, and its causes and effects are well-established in the scientific literature.

However, the condition is far more common than most healthcare practitioners and the general public realize. Data from a Tufts University study suggests that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range—a range at which many experience neurological symptoms. Nine percent had an outright nutrient deficiency, and 16 percent exhibited “near deficiency.” Most surprising to the researchers was the fact that low B12 levels were as common in younger people as they were in the elderly. (1)

That said, this type of deficiency has been estimated to affect about 40 percent of people over 60 years of age. It’s entirely possible that at least some of the symptoms we attribute to “normal” aging—such as memory loss, cognitive decline, and decreased mobility—are at least in part caused by a deficiency.

Why Is It Underdiagnosed?

B12 deficiency is significantly underdiagnosed for two reasons. First, it’s not routinely tested by most physicians. Second, the low end of the laboratory reference range is too low.

This is why most studies underestimate true levels of deficiency. Many deficient people have so-called “normal” levels of B12.

Yet, it is well-established in the scientific literature that people with B12 levels between 200 pg/mL and 350 pg/mL—levels considered “normal” in the U.S.—have clear vitamin deficiency symptoms. (2) Experts who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of a deficiency, like Sally Pacholok, R.N., and Jeffrey Stuart, D.O., suggest treating all patients that are symptomatic and have B12 levels less than 450 pg/mL. (3) They also recommend treating patients who show normal B12 levels but also have elevated urinary methylmalonic acid (MMA), homocysteine, or holotranscobalamin, which are other markers of a deficiency in vitamin B12.

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In Japan and Europe, the lower limit for B12 is between 500 and 550 pg/mL. Those levels are associated with psychological and behavioral symptoms, such as:

  • Cognitive decline
  • Dementia
  • Memory loss (4)

Some experts have speculated that the acceptance of higher levels as normal in Japan and the willingness to treat levels considered “normal” in the U.S. explain the low rates of Alzheimer’s and dementia in that country.

What Is Vitamin B12 and Why Do You Need It?

Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. You can think of the brain and the nervous system as a big tangle of wires. Myelin is the insulation that protects those wires and helps them to conduct messages.

Severe B12 deficiency in conditions like pernicious anemia (an autoimmune condition where the body destroys intrinsic factor, a protein necessary for the absorption of the vitamin) used to be fatal until scientists figured out death could be prevented by feeding patients raw liver, which contains high amounts of B12. But anemia is the final stage of a deficiency. Long before anemia sets in, deficient patients will experience several other problems, including fatigue, lethargy, weakness, memory loss, and neurological and psychiatric problems.

The Stages of a Deficiency

B12 deficiency occurs in four stages, beginning with declining blood levels of the vitamin (stage I), progressing to low cellular concentrations of the vitamin (stage II), an increased blood level of homocysteine and a decreased rate of DNA synthesis (stage III), and finally, macrocytic anemia (stage IV). (5)

Common B12 Deficiency Symptoms

The signs can look like the symptoms of several other serious disorders, and the neurological effects of low B12 can be especially troubling.

Here are some of the most common vitamin B12 deficiency symptoms:

  • Tingling or numbness in the hands and feet
  • Brain fog, confusion, and memory problems
  • Depression
  • Premature aging
  • Cognitive decline
  • Anemia
  • Weakness
  • Fatigue
  • Reduced appetite and weight loss
  • Constipation
  • Trouble balancing (6)

Children can also show symptoms, including developmental issues and learning disabilities if their B12 levels are too low.

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Why Is It So Common?

The absorption of B12 is complex and involves several steps—any of which can go wrong. Any of the following can cause B12 malabsorption:

  • Intestinal dysbiosis
  • Leaky gut and gut inflammation
  • Atrophic gastritis or hypochlorhydria, or low stomach acid
  • Pernicious anemia
  • Medications, especially proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) and other acid-suppressing drugs
  • Alcohol
  • Exposure to nitrous oxide, during either surgery or recreational use

This explains why a deficiency can occur even in people eating large amounts of B12-containing animal products. In fact, many of my patients that are B12 deficient are following a Paleo diet where they eat meat two or three times daily.

Who Is at Risk for a Deficiency?

In general, the following groups are at greatest risk for a deficiency:

  • Vegetarians and vegans
  • People aged 60 or over
  • People who regularly use PPIs or acid-suppressing drugs
  • People on diabetes drugs like metformin
  • People with Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac, or IBS
  • Women with a history of infertility and miscarriage

Note to Vegetarians and Vegans: B12 Is Found Only in Animal Products

You cannot get B12 from plant-based sources. This vitamin is only found in animal products. That’s why vegetarians and vegans need to know the signs of deficiency—and the steps necessary to fix the problem.

B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element (cobalt), which is why it’s called cobalamin. Cobalamin is produced in the gut of animals. It’s the only vitamin we can’t obtain from plants or sunlight. Plants don’t need B12, so they don’t store it.

A common myth among vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:

  • Fermented soy
  • Spirulina
  • Brewers yeast

However, plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of and increase the need for true B12. (7) That explains why studies consistently demonstrate that up to 50 percent of long-term vegetarians and 80 percent of vegans are deficient in B12. (8, 9)

Seaweed is another commonly cited plant source of B12, but this idea is controversial. Research indicates that there may be important differences in dried versus raw purple nori; namely, raw nori may be a good source of B12, while dried nori may not be. One study indicated that the drying process used for seaweed creates B12 analogs, making it a poor source of the vitamin, while animal research suggests that dried nori can correct a B12 deficiency. (10, 11) Seaweed may provide B12, but it’s not clear if those benefits are negated when that seaweed is dried. I recommend caution for that reason.

The Impact of a Deficiency on Children

The effects of B12 deficiency on kids are especially alarming. Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient even years after they start eating at least some animal products. In one study, the researchers found an association between a child’s B12 status and their performance on testing measuring:

  • Spatial ability
  • Fluid intelligence
  • Short-term memory

Researchers found that formerly vegan children scored lower than their omnivorous counterparts in each area. (12)

The deficit in fluid intelligence is particularly troubling, the researchers said, because this area impacts a child’s ability to reason, work through complex problems, learn, and engage in abstract thinking. Defects in any of these areas could have long-term consequences for kids.

I recognize that there are many reasons why people choose to eat the way they do, and I respect people’s right to make their own choices. I also know that, like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. This is why it’s absolutely crucial for those that abstain from animal products to understand that there are no plant sources of B12 and that all vegans and most vegetarians should supplement with B12.

This is especially important for vegetarian or vegan children or pregnant women, whose need for B12 is even greater. If you’re not willing to take a dietary supplement, it may be time to think twice about your vegetarian or vegan diet.

How to Treat a Deficiency

One of the greatest tragedies of the B12 epidemic is that diagnosis and treatment are relatively easy and cheap—especially when compared to the treatment patients will need if they’re in a late stage of deficiency. A B12 test can be performed by any laboratory, and it should be covered by insurance. If you don’t have insurance, you can order it yourself from a lab like DirectLabs.com.

As always, adequate treatment depends on the underlying mechanism causing the problem. People with pernicious anemia or inflammatory gut disorders like Crohn’s disease are likely to have impaired absorption for their entire lives and will likely require B12 injections or high-dose oral cobalamin indefinitely. This may also be true for those with a severe deficiency that’s causing neurological symptoms.

Typically in the past, most B12 experts recommended injections over high-dose oral cobalamin for people with pernicious anemia and an advanced deficiency involving neurological symptoms. However, recent studies have suggested that high-dose oral or nasal administration may be as effective as injections for those with B12 malabsorption problems. (13, 14)

Try Supplementing

Cyanocobalamin is the most frequently used form of B12 supplementation in the U.S. But recent evidence suggests that hydroxocobalamin (frequently used in Europe) is superior to cyanocobalamin, and methylcobalamin may be superior to both—especially for neurological disease.

Japanese studies indicate that methylcobalamin is even more effective in treating neurological symptoms and that it may be better absorbed because it bypasses several potential problems in the B12 absorption cycle. (15, 16) On top of that, methylcobalamin provides the body with methyl groups that play a role in various biological processes important to overall health.

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Change Your Diet

Nourishing your body through whole food is the best way to get the vitamins and nutrients you need. If you’re low on B12, try eating some vitamin-rich foods like:

Eating other kinds of seafood, like octopus, fish eggs, lobster, and crab, can also help you attain normal B12 levels. If you’re seafood-averse, you can also get this vitamin from:

  • Lamb
  • Beef
  • Eggs
  • Cheese

It’s important to note, though, that the amount of B12 in these foods is nowhere near as high as the levels in shellfish and organ meats.

What to Do if You’re Experiencing Vitamin B12 Deficiency Symptoms

If you suspect you have a deficiency, the first step is to get tested. You need an accurate baseline to work from.

If you are B12 deficient, the next step is to identify the mechanism causing the deficiency. You’ll probably need help from a medical practitioner for this part. Once the mechanism is identified, the appropriate form (injection, oral, sublingual, or nasal) of supplementation, the dose, and the length of treatment can be selected.

So, next time you or someone you know is “having a senior moment,” remember: It might not be “just aging.” It could be B12 deficiency.

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  1. SORRY FOR THE ‘SHOUTY’ CAPITAL LETTERS, BUT I THOUGHT THEY MIGHT GARNER MY COMMENT A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION AMONGST THE APPROXIMATELY 1000 COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THE EVER-EXPANDING DISCUSSION SECTION HERE! 🙂

    I AM JUST LETTING READERS OF THIS B12 ARTICLE (PUBLISHED MAY 2011) KNOW THAT CHRIS KRESSER ACTUALLY WROTE A FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE ABOUT B12 DEFICIENCY ON JANUARY 18, 2013.

    ADDITIONALLY, HE PROVIDED AT THE END OF THAT FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE HIS SUGGESTED LIST OF THE *FOUR* SUPPLEMENTS (BRANDS, TYPES, AND DOSAGES) TO TAKE IF YOU WISH TO REPLENISH YOUR B12.

    PLEASE CHECK OUT HIS “NEW” POST ON B12 TO GET HIS LATEST THOUGHTS ON B12 DEFICIENCY AND SUPPLEMENTATION.

    THE DIRECT LINK TO IT IS: http://chriskresser.com/what-everyone-especially-vegetarians-should-know-about-b12-deficiency

    • Wow, thanks Lily, I did not see the other article until you shouted it out, so much appreciated. Lots more info in that piece and the comments, very helpful!

  2. My husband has been diagnosed with B12 deficiency after complaining of extreme fatigue. He is 80 years old but very active bicycling 3000 miles a year. He had cerebral arteritis last year and was on prednisone for the entire year. He came off it in October. While on the prednisone, his energy levels dropped a lot and his rheumatologist has said this may be the “new normal”. However, he has suddenly experienced an even greater fatigue. His B 12 level is 186pg/mL. Total iron 104. All other labs seem normal. His doctor has ordered B12 shots, 3 over 3 months. He had one shot yesterday and has not achieved any relief yet. What can he expect from the shots and could the prednisone have anything to do with the deficiency?. Thank you.

  3. Chris, appreciate you making this post available for extended commentary. I just started Jarrow Methyl B-12 two weeks ago and then found Fredd’s protocol yesterday. Additional supplements should arrive tomorrow. My mother was diagnosed with MS 12 years ago, so when I started having neuro symptoms four years ago, I assumed that’s what I had. I have a long history of symptoms that I haven’t sought medical attention for, but I have been diagnosed at various times with UC, GERD, gastritis, allergies, chronic gingivitis which doesn’t respond to treatment, and most recently estrogen dominance.

    By God’s grace and a healthy lifestyle (I have been weight training for over 20 years), I no longer have symptoms of any of these conditions except estrogen dominance and gingivitis (though I’ve had diminished symptoms of these since starting B12). I had PVCs when I was pg with my first 17 years ago which the cardiologist said were normal. When the neuro symptoms started four years ago, the PVCs were back. They have been mild and scarce until the last several months when I’ve had the sensation that my heart has completely stopped and I feel like I’m going to pass out. Terrified me as I have not experienced this sensation before. I know it isn’t anxiety related (I’m a psychologist).

    By the way, my mother’s B12 level hasn’t been checked. She just started taking Methyl B12 at my request and I will probably have a hard time getting her to try more as she is very trusting of her docs. My question is this: Since taking the B12, I’ve been excessively thirsty, the palpitations got worse, have had increased dizziness, pulse dropped into the 50s, had more twitching, an edgy feeling (like I’m hopped up on caffeine) and I’m experiencing a burning sensation in my lips, fingertips and feet. I have been taking one to two Potassium supps (the ones around 500mg) a day for the past few days when I discovered you need more with B12. Are these all symptoms of potassium deficiency or am I experiencing some healing?

    I am unwilling to see a physician for these symptoms because I know that they won’t give me the tests I want, will put something on my medical record that may make it impossible for me to get insurance if I need to change plans in the future, and will want to treat me with immuno-suppressive drugs that have killed a friend of mine (giving her cancer). At the same time, I don’t want to die because I’ve got a potassium or other deficiency that isn’t being sufficiently treated.

    I’m not going to bore everyone with a long list of symptoms, but I realized yesterday that I constantly have skin peeling from the inside of my mouth. I have always thought of that as normal, just disposing of it like you’d blow your nose. I now know that isn’t normal at all! For the second time in four years, I’m also experiencing considerable hair loss. How long should it take before I stop losing so much hair?

    Thanks in advance for any information or encouragement.

    • Melinmo,
      Someone else pointed out that along with potassium, you need to watch out for magnesium. I was also getting twitchy and edgy sensations (like restless legs) and I added a nightly magnesium to my routine. It really helped.

      • Thanks, Amber. I already take quite a bit of magnesium, so I don’t think that’s it. How far along in this process are you?

        • Hi Melinmo, I’ve been doing Freddds protocol for about a month and half now. It’s really helping me. In fact, I just picked up my recent lab results, and compared to 4 months ago, my blood cell numbers are slightly higher (I’ve been anemic all my life, so this is a very good thing!!! woohooo!)
          Sorry, I don’t know what else could be causing your side effects. As for hair loss, which has been a major problem for me, it FINALLY seems to be lessening since I added a B-complex to the mix a week and half ago. I’m probably low in another B. I had bad reactions to other B complexes, so it took me a while to find one which suited me. Now I take Swanson Ultra Activated B complex, which I’m doing well on.
          I strongly suspect I have the variants of MTHFR gene which limit my ability to process folate. I was surprised by my recent lab results…B12 serum was in normal range (708 pg/ml), but folic acid number was in the “excessive” range, at >24.00 ng/ml. Folic acid can build up in the blood when there’s not enough MTHFR to process it to the active form (as far as I understand). And of course, without active folate, the B12 is then unable to be processed and hence B12 deficiency symptoms. Unfortunately my useless doctor refused to test homocystiene or MMA, which could clarify things for me. Nevertheless, I ordered a 23andMe test, so hopefully will have my answers soon.
          I hope you also figure out whats going on!

  4. I’m having headache and tinnitus in my ear for long time. Sleep disorder and IBS also giving me problem. Unable to focus / concentrate on my work and took several absenses. I had sleep study and even rented CPAP and used. But no improvement at all.
    All kinds of blood test was done and everything was normal. I met psychiatrist and was with anti-depressent for 1 year. because of anti-depressant my problem was solved little, but core problems are not solved. i’m unable to wakeup in morning and feel tired and uninterested. it seems to be Chronic Fatigue syndrome.

    For last one month i’m taking magnesium supplement and feeling good at morning. i’m able to wakeup at morning but not fully cured. ( Due to IBS for long time, essential mineral like magnesium was not absorbed properly )

    Now i’m having headache and slight giddiness still.

    I don’t know what to do. I need help from anyone who experienced the same symtoms of mine.

  5. I am 33 and have a lot of symptoms of b12 dif and get b12 shots for my fatigue but when I asked my naturopath to test me if I actually have defficiency she said that most of the the tests are not accurate and they do not tell how much of b12 is stored in the body. Is she right?

    • Hi Karina,

      She is right. However, you made need other forms of b12, ie AdoCbl, MeCbl as well as l-methylfolate and L-carnitine fumarate. These four susing succeed in getting energy production and healing going. Other vitamins and ,inerals are needed too. But the test just can’t tell you anything useful, espcially not after an injection, and before they can only say how bad it is, not what willl work. They dfon;t interpret them properly. Check out those lists of symptoms a few posts above this. Find you symptoms.

  6. Approximate timing of my startup of individual items that being considered here, this gives a quite distinctive pattern for each nutrient or set of nutrients: 03/05/13, Version 1.1
    Others mentioned similar patterns and variations.
    23. Initially – Mecbl
    24. +5 months 400mcg SAM-E
    25. + 4 months AdoCbl
    26. + 3 months titrate +50mg zinc
    27. +4 years 400mcg Metafolin
    28. +1 year LCF
    29. + 1 month TMG 1000mg/day
    30. 30mg MeCbl injections (3 or 4) daily,
    31. +0 Reduce SAM-e to 200mcg
    32. + 4 years remove TMG
    33. +6 months increase SAM-E to 800mcg
    14 Next 1 year titrating Metafolin and finding all the reasons I get folate insufficiency, early partial methylation block by effect. This whole process has taken 10 years so far

    Sexual related symptoms, both men and women – These responded with the most response to lesser responses in order to MeCbl, Metafolin (l-methylfolate), AdoCbl, L-carnitine fumarate
    reduced libido – loss of sexual desire
    loss of orgasmic intensity
    unsatisfying orgasms
    inability to orgasm
    loss and/or change of genital sensations
    burning genital skin sensation
    unable to feel aroused
    numb genital skin
    low sex hormones

    MEN

    In order of response – MeCbl, AdoCbl

    low testosterone men

    In order of response – MeCbl, Metafolin, AdoCbl, L-carnitine fumarate

    erectile disfunction men

    In order of response – MeCbl, Metafolin, AdoCbl

    low sperm count
    poor sperm motility
    Poor sperm quality
    no sperm

    WOMEN

    In order of response – MeCbl, AdoCbl

    low testosterone
    low estrogen

    In order of response – MeCbl, Metafolin, AdoCbl, L-carnitine fumarate

    post partum depression
    post partum psychosis

    In order of response – MeCbl, Metafolin, AdoCbl

    Frequent miscarriage

    In order of response – MeCbl, Metafolin

    False positive pap smears, defective cells
    menstrual symptoms

  7. Approximate timing of my startup of individual items that being considered here, this gives a quite distinctive pattern for each nutrient or set of nutrients: 03/05/13, Version 1.1
    Others mentioned similar patterns and variations.
    12. Initially – Mecbl
    13. +5 months 400mcg SAM-E
    14. + 4 months AdoCbl
    15. + 3 months titrate +50mg zinc
    16. +4 years 400mcg Metafolin
    17. +1 year LCF
    18. + 1 month TMG 1000mg/day
    19. 30mg MeCbl injections (3 or 4) daily,
    20. +0 Reduce SAM-e to 200mcg
    21. + 4 years remove TMG
    22. +6 months increase SAM-E to 800mcg
    13 Next 1 year titrating Metafolin and finding all the reasons I get folate insufficiency, early partial methylation block by effect. This whole process has taken 10 years so far

    MeCbl – AdoCbl – L-carnitine fumarate – Metafolin

    shortness of breath, oxygen hunger
    heart palpitations

    MeCbl – AdoCbl – L-carnitine fumarate

    extremely sore neck muscles reversing normal curvature of neck
    painfully tight, stiff muscles, especially legs and arms
    frequent muscle spasms anywhere in body
    weak pulse

    MeCbl – AdoCbl

    Confusion
    Disorientation
    Difficulty in word finding

    MeCbl – AdoCbl – Metafolin

    irritable
    depression
    SAD – Seasonal Affective Disorder
    mental slowing
    personality changes
    chronic malaise
    poor concentration
    moodiness
    tiredness
    mood swings
    memory loss
    listlessness
    impaired connection to others
    mentally fuzzy, foggy, brainfog
    dizziness – even unable to walk
    Vertigo

    MeCbl – Metafolin – AdoCbl – L-carnitine fumarate

    psychosis, including many of the most florid psychoses seen in literature, megaloblastic madness
    Alzheimer’s
    delirium
    dementia
    paranoia
    delusions
    hallucinations – multisensory
    anxiety or tension
    nervousness
    mania
    Widespread pain throughout body

    A caution, those with anxiety and panic symptoms may respond with extreme moods of increased fear, anxiety, panic, anger rage, homicidal rage and profound depression, usually in repeatable sequences following LCF or ALCAR even at levels of 1mg oral. A micro titration of carnitine would be cautious. While most find the moods intolerable, certain persons have been able to tolerate these (both past) and current, to find they can fade after some months of consumption. A few people may find similar, maybe somewhat lesser, response to MeCbl or more likely AdoCbl. As these are less controllable than LCF which can be micro dosed, they should be considered first.

  8. Approximate timing of my startup of individual items that being considered here, this gives a quite distinctive pattern for each nutrient or set of nutrients: 03/04/13, Version 1.1
    Others mentioned similar patterns and variations.
    1. Initially – Mecbl
    2. +5 months 400mcg SAM-E
    3. + 4 months AdoCbl
    4. + 3 months titrate +50mg zinc
    5. +4 years 400mcg Metafolin
    6. +1 year LCF
    7. + 1 month TMG 1000mg/day
    8. 30mg MeCbl injections (3 or 4) daily,
    9. +0 Reduce SAM-e to 200mcg
    10. + 4 years remove TMG
    11. +6 months increase SAM-E to 800mcg
    12. 12Next 1 year titrating Metafolin and finding all the reasons I get folate insufficiency, early partial methylation block by effect. This whole process has taken 10 years so far.

    These symptoms are what responded very well to CNS penetrating doses of MeCbl either as 50mg sublingual single 4-5 hour dose or 4 x 7.5mg or 3 x 10mg or for some 2 x 15mg subcutaneous MeCbl injections. Metafolin in some way enhances retention of AdoCbl and MeCbl with excretion visibly decreased. A sublingual dose of 1-2 tablets each hour added for 12 hours appears to generate substantial CNS penetration as well.

    CNS penetrating dose MeCbl – AdoCbl – Metafolin – Omega-3 oils

    Elevated CSF Hcy
    Low CSF cobalamin
    limbs feel stiff
    Drowsy

    CNS penetrating dose MeCbl – AdoCbl

    dimmed vision – usually not noticed going into it because change can be very slow or present for life
    Clumsiness

    CNS penetrating dose MeCbl – AdoCbl – Metafolin

    Slow to adapt to night vision

    CNS penetrating dose MeCbl – AdoCbl – Metafolin – LCF

    Difficulty in word finding

    CNS penetrating dose MeCbl – AdoCbl – Metafolin – Omega-3 oils

    Brainstem or cerebellar signs or even reversible (with mb12) coma may occur
    demyelinated areas on nerves
    subacute combined degeneration

    axonal degeneration of spinal cord
    unsteadiness of gait
    ataxic gait, particularly in dark
    positive Romberg
    positive Lhermittes
    Loss of motor control over some or all of toes
    Loss of motor control over part or all of feet
    Loss of sense of joint position
    sudden electric like shocks/pains shooting down arms, body, legs shooting down from neck movement
    sudden “ice pick” pain
    decreased reflexes
    brisk reflexes
    Foot Drop
    tripping over toes
    injuring toes catching top of toes on floor
    general feeling of weakness

  9. Approximate timing of my startup of individual items that being considered here, this gives a quite distinctive pattern for each nutrient or set of nutrients: 03/04/13 Version 1.1
    Others mentioned similar patterns and variations.
    13. Initially – Mecbl
    14. +5 months 400mcg SAM-E
    15. + 4 months AdoCbl
    16. + 3 months titrate +50mg zinc
    17. +4 years 400mcg Metafolin
    18. +1 year LCF
    19. + 1 month TMG 1000mg/day
    20. 30mg MeCbl injections (3 or 4) daily,
    21. +0 Reduce SAM-e to 200mcg
    22. + 4 years remove TMG
    23. +6 months increase SAM-E to 800mcg
    24. Next 1 year titrating Metafolin and finding all the reasons I get folate insufficiency, early partial methylation block by effect. This whole process has taken 10 years so far.

    These symptoms are what responded very well to L-carnitine fumarate AND AdoCbl for the first two items

    L-carnitine fumarate – AdoCbl – Metafolin – MeCbl

    weight loss involuntary
    muscular atrophy
    exercise does not build muscle

    L-carnitine fumarate – Metafolin – AdoCbl – MeCbl

    weight gain, watery fat
    edema

    L-carnitine fumarate – AdoCbl – MeCbl – Metafolin

    mild to extremely severe fatigue
    continuous extremely severe fatigue
    easy fatigability
    severe abnormal muscle fatigue up to and including apparent paralysis leading to death
    weakness
    muscle pain especially around attachment points to bones
    Eighteen severely tender muscle spots of FMS

    AdoCbl – L-carnitine fumarate

    exercise debilitates for up to a week, making things much worse
    accumulating muscle pains following exertion
    sore muscles throughout body
    lack of muscle recovery after exercise
    High urinary MMA

    AdoCbl – L-carnitine fumarate – Metafolin

    congestive heart failure
    Elevated CSF MMA
    Elevated uMMA

  10. Approximate timing of my startup of individual items that being considered here, this gives a quite distinctive pattern for each nutrient or set of nutrients: 03/05/13, Version 1.1
    Others mentioned similar patterns and variations.
    1. Initially – Mecbl
    2. +5 months 400mcg SAM-E
    3. + 4 months AdoCbl
    4. + 3 months titrate +50mg zinc
    5. +4 years 400mcg Metafolin
    6. +1 year LCF
    7. + 1 month TMG 1000mg/day
    8. 30mg MeCbl injections (3 or 4) daily,
    9. +0 Reduce SAM-e to 200mcg
    10. + 4 years remove TMG
    11. +6 months increase SAM-E to 800mcg
    12 Next 1 year titrating Metafolin and finding all the reasons I get folate insufficiency, early partial methylation block by effect. This whole process has taken 10 years so far

    These symptoms responded relatively partially first to 5 star MeCbl and then very strongly to Metafolin with basics. Many started improving in hours. Some took 7 years to correct.

    splits/sores at corners of mouth -angular cheilitis
    impaired white blood cell response
    poor resistance to infections
    easy bruising
    pronounced anemia
    macrocytic anemia
    megablastic anemia
    pernicious anemia
    decreased blood clotting
    MCV > 93 first warning,
    MCV > 97 alert
    MCV > 100 outright macrocytosis
    MCV > 105 urgently needs treatment, severe problem

    Plus Vitamin E
    Child with neural tube defects
    mother of child with neural tube defect
    These symptoms responded not at all first to 5 star and then very strongly to Metafolin with basics. Many started improving in hours. Some took 7 years to correct.

    lack of dreaming
    MCV > 100 outright macrocytosis
    macrocytic anemia
    metallic taste
    Widespread body & muscle pain responding to NSAID
    Joint pain responding to NSAIDS
    splits/sores at corners of mouth -angular cheilitis

  11. this post this is a list of symptoms that are mine, and others experience of these nutritional items in relieving their symptoms, and in a very few instances reflect research and successful practice, such as p5p for Hcy and Liver extract studies of several disorders in old journals. In some instances the same symptoms might have different combinations of nutrients.
    These symptoms responded almost entirely or entirely to 5 star MeCbl – Methylcobalamin – Methylb12 – Mb12 – Mecobl with basics. Many started improving in hours. Others took 9 months to correct.

    5 star MeCbl – Methylcobalamin – Methylb12 – Mb12 – Mecobl with basics

    morning joint stiffness and pain
    paleness
    rapid heart rate
    standing with eyes closed, lose balance
    hands feel gloved with loss of sensitivity – glove anesthesia
    feet feel socked by loss of sensitivity – stocking anesthesia
    glove and stocking anesthesia
    neuropathic bladder
    unable to release bladder, mild to severe
    unable to fully empty the bladder
    fecal incontinence – occasionally to frequently
    diminished hearing – gradual onset or present for life, sudden return possible
    tinnitus – ringing in ears
    always feeling cold
    intolerance to loud sounds
    intolerance to multiple sounds
    sleep disorders
    non restorative sleep
    Night terrors
    Prolonged hypnagogic or hypnopompic states transitioning to/from sleep
    Sleep paralysis
    alteration of touch all over body, normal touch can be unpleasant and painful
    alterations and loss of taste
    taste hallucinations
    smell hallucinations
    sound hallucinations
    visual hallucinations
    alterations and loss of smell
    loss of smell and taste of strawberries specifically
    loss or alteration of smell and taste of potato chips specifically
    roughening and increased raspiness of voice, mb12 can smooth in mid word
    blurring of vision – can be sudden onset and sudden return
    Visual impairment can be seen; ophthalmological exam may show bilateral visual loss
    optic atrophy
    centrocecal scotomata
    hypersensitivity/intolerance to bright light
    intolerance to loud sounds
    intolerance to multiple sounds
    burning muscle pain
    burning muscle pain
    diminished hearing – gradual onset or present for life, sudden return possible
    tinnitus – ringing in ears
    sore burning tongue

  12. I was diagnosed with b12 deff over a year ago, had weekly jabs for 10 weeks then 2 monthly since, but all my symptoms remained and infact started to get worse. GP sent me to rheumatologist and neurologist and now been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, as they state my symptoms of pain in all parts of body, diahorea, memory loss, the fogs, pins and needles and numbness to name but a few symptoms, are not due to b12. Now on anti depressants as that’s wat they give for fibro and codydramol which after just over a week no change at all. I’m now finding it difficult to walk but GP just fobs all this off. Tried to get dla or incapacity benefit as cant work and been refused as GP makes less of it. I am in so much pain day and night, can’t do my bra up myself due to the bad pain if I try, I do try to keep moving but every step beyond approx 6 to 8 steps is agony.

    • Hi Jacquie,

      FMS is caused by various combinarions of deficiencies of body and CNS (brain/cord) of mostly MeCbl, AdoCbl, L-methylfolate and L-carnitine fumarate. I used to have fibro and all the stuff that goes with it. I’m cured and have been for some years now. I figured out how. The tests don’t begin to to tell the stories. Stop the nerve damage before it gets worse. I came close to a wheelchair and are now maybe 6 months away and holding becasue of nerve damage.

  13. Hi Chris and Fredd,

    Kudos to you both for providing so much vital information and care for so many around the world.
    Am writing to you from Hong Kong.

    For years I have been telling Doctors of my many many symptoms to no avail- including Dizziness/ Weakness/ Joint pains/ Sore mouth and Tongue/ LOC/ Frequent Bowel disorders/ smelly farting/ Disturbed sleep/ excess sweating/ skin rashes & warts/ Hair loss/ Boils on knees and legs/ Shaky fingers and hands etc…+ “Hyper-pigmentation” all over my body for last 15 years & have severe Psoriasis since the last 20 years- resulting in a very dark, itchy & easily-bleeding skin rash condition around the entire Groin and anal region.

    In fact I had been taking supplements for several years- including Life Extension B Complex + Vit D3 1000IU + Nature Life’s Vit C but still my condition worsened severely! Then finally they discovered my B12 deficiency just by luck- which came in at 141Ng/L. Further my Vitamin D-25 Hydoxy Test came in low at 13 Ng/ml (or 33 nmol) so relatively deficient too!

    Blood Intrinsic Factor and Hemoglobin levels all tested fine- hence not presumed to be suffering from Pernicious Anemia (yet!) or Auto-immune Disease. Folate/ RBC Folate/ TSH Thyroid/ Creatinine/ Platelet/ INR/ Cortisol levels all were fine!
    Further the Biopsies from a thorough Endoscopy were all fine too + Brain scan showed no neurological damage to date. Waiting to do a Hydrogen Breath test + Colonoscopy + the Capsule Exam to rule out Crohns Disease/ Celiac Disease + maybe a Bone Marrow Biopsy! Not sure if I need to do a Urinary MMA test or a MTHFS test (to determine if body can metabolize Folic acid).

    Moreover its interesting to note that my sister was diagnosed 6 months prior with the same issues- ie low B12 of 170 and low D of 13- but for decades she has suffered from Iron deficiency Anemia caused by Menstrual blood loss. Docs feel there could be a correlation to my case as Celiac tends to run in the family. I did actually try a Gluten free diet awhile back for 4-5 months which didn’t help but Docs feel it probably needs to be stricter.

    To boost my level at once- I ordered Methyl-cobalamin Injections (500mcg weekly) just to start with and plan to use Sublingual tablets thereafter. However the main issue that remains is WHY the B12 + D are deficient…ie What is the Cause resulting in these Symptoms?
    Pls note I eat a very healthy and balanced diet with meats, dairy, fish, vegetables, fruits and exercise very regularly.
    So Doctors here are very hesitant to treat the Symptoms before ascertaining the true Cause.

    Nevertheless I have ordered some Supplements from your recommended list and based on people’s past experiences shared over the net- it seems the best Brands to currently use are:

    -Enzymatic Therapy 1mg B12 Infusion Daily (How do you chop the tabs to one tenth or a quarter?)
    -Solgar Methyl-Folate 400mcg Daily (to be taken sublingual or just swallowed?)
    -Adenosyl B12 Source Natural’s Dibencozide 10mg Weekly
    (I realize that Anabol Dibencoplex is the preferred choice now so will switch to it once my supply of above runs out)
    +
    -Enzymatic Therapy 2000IU Vitamin D3 sublingual chewable tables
    -Mens Optimized Multi-Vitamin Vitacost (sadly discovered it contains Folic Acid but only 200mcg/tab)
    -Vital Nutrients Pure Fish Oil
    +
    Plan to eat 2 Bananas daily to boost Potassium levels

    So wanted to ask your expert opinions on whether the above seems like a reasonable method of treating my current conditions (or if you have any other Brand or Supplement recommendations ) and further if you can advise me the best times of day to take the above- given that the sublingual tablets need much time to dissolve.

    Much much appreciated!

    Mark
    ps. Sorry for the extensive mail!

    • Hi Mark,
      It is good that you have recognized your deficiency. A couple of comments, depending upon your conditions you will need both adenosyl and methyl cobalamin. Our calculations indicate that if you are truly deficient, and certainly being below 200 pmol/L we would regard as extremely low as data suggests that being less than 300 pmol/L should be regarded as low. So you and your sister definitely is very low.
      Next thing to overcome the deficiency, the amount of VB12 you absorb orally is less than 1% of the dose if you use the high dose supplements, as uptake is entirely non-specific. Now the VB12 that is absorbed has to get onto transcobalamin II, which is the transporter for vitamin B12 around the body, which controls vitamin B12 uptake into the cells. IF you get vitamin B12 across the gut non-specifically, the majority of this does not get onto this transporter and so you pee it out and it is wasted. So whilst it may appear in the serum it is NOT on the transporter. We have also calculated that even if you had an intact Intrinsic Factor mediated uptake, it would take 20,000 days to overcome deficiency and get back to normal, which clearly is not going to happen, particularly as you loose 1 ug VB12 per day.
      It is for this reason that we developed a transdermal system for vitamin B12. Using this technology the vitamin B12 is slowly released into the blood thereby allowing much more time to get onto the transporter (transcobalamin II).

      Next the vitamin D3 deficiency, recent data in the literature suggests that oral supplements for this are not very effective, and it would be much better to have topical vitamin D3. FYI many of the conditions associated with vitamin B12 deficiency are also associated with vitamin D3 deficiency, which brings me to your psoriasis.
      We currently have a topical curcuminoid preparation that should be beneficial for psoriasis. It is in a non-sticky oil, which should give relief on its own, but you would need both vitamin B12 and vitamin D3 to really try to deal with it. (Look up the anti-inflammatory activity of curcumnoids).
      You can contact me off line if you want to know more about potential products for this [email protected] . Good luck with it all

      • Hi Greg,
        Really appreciate yr detailed reply.
        For now have started treatment with the oral supplements & will see how that goes.
        Will keep u posted.
        Thanks n best,
        Mark

    • Hi Mark,

      I take the Enzy 5 at a time, 6 times a day along with about 3.33mg of AdoCbl once a day. The root cause of so much of this appears to me to be pardoxical folate deficiency cased by either folic acid and/or flolinic acid/veggie folate. That can casue the entire set of symptoms then over decades. B12 goes deficienct ffor all sorts of reasons most never deternined. Once the folate and then b12 go low, then one has partial methylation block, methyltrap and parrtial ATP block bseparately in CNS and body.. They all feed back and forth on each other and symptoms can flip around paradoxically. So in treating them I think it works better to start with small doses of MeCbl AND AdoCbol plus 200mg of Metafolin. Then when you get to a certain pint perhaps 100mcfg of absorbed active b12s and healing starts. Perhapos 1/4 of an ENZY 1mg and a bit from the Anabol AdoCbl capsule under the lip for as long as possible. After healing turns on about the 3rd day more potassium perhaps 1200-3000mcg titrated a few hundred mg at a time. 4-6 doses a day for the total. Something similar had to be done with possible paradoxical folate deficiency symptoms, titrate Metafolin to effectiveness, also in multiple doses.

      • Hi Fredd,
        Many thanks for your help and reply.
        So I am on Day 3 & have been taking following:
        -Multi Vitamin 1 Tab
        -S.Folate 1/2 of 400Mcg
        -Ultra Pure Fish Oil 1 Tab
        -1/4 of B12 E.Therapy 1mg under lip
        -2000IU of D3 E.Therapy under lip
        + eating some Bananas throughout day for natural Potassium
        and will start some AdoCbl 1/4 from next week

        Do you feel there is anything else I should add or beware of?

        Lastly I have a real hard time chopping the tablets into smaller pieces- dont know how you guys get them into 1/4 sizes without crushing some of it into powder?

        Thanks for all!
        Mark

  14. FREDDD…ty for your fast response, I will be talking to a new Doc on Friday, I’m sure it is not MS…not to much pain unless my bones are chilled. Just pure muscle wasting. But years of being misdiagnosed I have to reach out to others and take my own health into my hands and get it fixed, I see my mum and where I will be if I don’t help my self on this. Thank you for all the info you have supplied me with I really appreciate it, and will read every word, this is a hell of alot more than any doc has done for me…..they say oh well see you in year, yea yea its gonna be ok, see you in 6 months….Im done with that garbage, I decide now, I have the power to change my life and my health, thank you so much for the start I so desperately needed.

  15. Family inherited and diagnosed with 6 or 7 different neuro muscular diseases ADULT ONSET. (CANADA)…finally told they don’t know what it is, so now I feel I have to figure out what a parent (in a wheelchair now) passed on to 3 children. Now I am wondering if we all can have a B12 deficiency? I have a new doctor and have an appointment Friday with him, in terms and words I can understand, what tests should I ask him for? I will be asking for an MRI, BUT I hope some blood tests will come back with a easy fix (wishing) any help here is greatly appreciated.

    • If you are looking for an MRI, “weighting” should be set so as to see the appropriate areas etc for Subacute combined degneration demyelinations.. As SACD goes with a MeCbl, AdoCbl and l-methylfolate deficiencies in the body and CNS, MS has MeCbl and l-methylfolate deficiencies in the brain (Elevated cerebral spinal fluid Hcy) and Parkinson’s with AdoCbl and l-carnitine deficiencies in the CNS with elevated CSF MMA. I got to within a month of a wheel chair from SACD and managed to regress it to about 6-12 months from a wheelchair and holding. My maternal grandfather had MS and b12 deficiency, my halfsiblings have lots of symtpoms and I and all 3 of my children have have the same deficiencies. Now they are getting the right vitamins to prevent their getting these nueuromuscular diseases. The tests that they will do are not definitive. A trial with the right brands of vitamins done in the right way will tell you everything. Also, I have a list of hundreds of these symptoms grouped by nutritional deficiencies. I am busy getting those posted. I’ve put up several pages of them and am dping the rest. They are at this link spread across the last half a dozen pages. http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/the-stages-of-methylation-and-healing.21725/page-17

  16. Hi

    With great concern and confusion, I read this blog. I am in every one of these comments and concerned with every persons experience. I am also unsure when it comes to reading any lay persons strong opinion and do not know whether to run and hide my head in the sand or begin eating all the foods and vitamins and sublinguals and shots and so forth and so on.

    Without a doubt, the US is WAY down in their normal numbers for the range that is acceptable for B12. I have been coming here, reading all and trying everything in the world forever and I cannot help it, I am a skeptic of a sort. I am using the subling methyl micro, 5000. I am not sure where anyone is getting injectible in the US now as I am told that the only factory in this country is down. So, I would love to know. But, all of the other stuff was checked and now I have developed a myopathy of some sort on my heart and had to have a defibrillator implanted and I am so over all of this. I have all these neurological problems and now this. It all fits together for what I read here but I need a damn doctor. I need someone who can guide me. I am too confused by all this. What kind would you go to??????

    • Hi Jan,

      Where do you live? In the USA thatere are hundreds of independent compounding pharmacies mixing up MeCbl injections. New England Compounding Center wasn’t supposed to be a factory. It was supposed to be a compounding pharamcy. Unfortunately the only 5 star MeCbl I can suggest at the moment is Enzymatic Therapy 1mg. I take 30+ every day to keep my nervous system functioning. I don’t know how to find a doctor that treats this well. Good luck.

      • Hey

        I am in NC. By factories, I am referring to rx grade injectible. I bought my shots via rx and I am only comfortable using that grade for injectibles. I wish I knew where to get it, I will check on the place that you noted, thank you for the info…

        • Jan, I was giving an example of a compounding pjharamacy turning into a factory and killing people witjh mold contaminated products. They are the BAD example. University Pharamcy in Salt Lake City utah, fills prescriptions for MeCbl injectable by prescriptions and as far as I know is a good example..

          • See, I did not catch that and I am so flipping intimidated by all the posts on here, I just go with the flow. Listen, here is what I have been told, and who the hell knows, ok? the only place that produced B12 for injection here in the US, as of last fall, was shut down due to some type of compromise or something and would eventually reopen. So, I had to go to sublingual. I have no idea if they are working, I have not had my blood drawn in a bit. But, I can say that the beta blocker given to me to keep me alive since the fatal ventricular tach. was found 2/12, has taken my quality of life to crap. The depression is horrible. My cognitive ability has been on a downtrend for so long, and this site overwhelms me more than I can ever tell any one of you. Read all the posts, are you kidding me? When this started for me in 2006 with the misdx of MS, and I was told there was a brain stem tumor, I was struggling with just being told those two things. Now, after the wrong meds being pushed into my flesh, and being told I did not have MS after two years, but rather CIDP, and being treated with IVIG so that I can feel my feet and hands, and now living feeling like a human tuning fork all over, having the cognitive abilities of a person who has been in a coma for a few years and is not awake, nothing makes sense, and I was a stock broker for my career, and worked in Two World Trade. I am not an idiot, or I did not used to be, I am undone. I can find no one. I need an dr. who can tie all my issues together, I need help. I would go on Dr. Phil in a NY minute to get to the PNP clinic in TX for a total overview. And I have super insurance. Just no confidence in any Dr. I have. A machine in my heart, and a team of drs. for my gastro, which is horrible, two hospt stays passing only blood, each stay dictating ten days. THey do not allow you in the hospt. anymore, so you know how sick I was. I was in the hosp in 2011 12 times. I have a monitor on my heart again, and a difibrillator implanted. If I were not afraid to die, I would end this misery. And I cannot read all this. I have been through so much, I did read, I had all the tests ran. I am negative, negative and againg for everything. I have no idea where to run, or to who.

            • correction…I was told that I did not have MS after taking meds, betaseron, for four years and it is possibly why I have this heart issue. I have an electrical condition i nmy heart because a spot developed. No disease of the plumbing type. Just a stupid spot in the wrong place to ablate. He tried.

              • My last lot of injetible methyl came from Apothecure in Dallas. Don’t know if it’s still available. I’m due to get my next lot very shortly, so if it’s from the US and is a different lab I’ll post on here.
                I’ve also put the link to the new video about b12 deficiency from the US again in case you’ve not seen it.
                I’m truly sorry to hear all you’ve been through and know from experience how you will be struggling to clarify all the info being thrown at you.
                Here’s the link – if nothing else it will prove to you that you are not alone.

  17. Hi Jasmine,
    I read your question about folic acid. Folic acid plays a big part in the absorbtion of B12. I take B12 and since I’ve been taking folic acid with it it’s made my level stay stable.

  18. DUH… stop buying pills and GET TESTED FOR CELIAC !
    Mal-absorption is caused by Celiac disease.
    Ask your doctor for the blood tests: tTG-IgA and DGP-IgG

    • Marcus, that’s a somewhat trite and simplistic thing to say to people who have been through the proverbial wringer. I HAVE been tested for celiac. I was negative. Regardless, I am not only gluten free, I am grain free, soy free and dairy free. I have been working for a solid year to heal my gut. But there is ALSO pernicious anemia, which is a lack of intrinsic factor which means that even giving up wheat forever will not fix my B12 issue. Not to mention that many people in this thread, myself included, likely have a genetic mutation or two called MTHFR- which affects the methylation of folate and B12 so while it is good to suggest things that people may not think of, prefacing it with DUH seems a tad bit offensive. Thanks.

    • I second Tara’s response….I was also tested for celiac (negative) but I have 2 copies of another gene which predisposes me to gluten allergy. And I had elevated antibodies for gluten, so obviously it’s a problem for me. Like Tara, I’ve also gone on a paleo type diet for quite some time and avoid grains, but it has not completely healed me. The B12 supplement I now take is the first time I’ve really seen my health begin to improve. It’s helping me sooo much! It’s easy for those who don’t need them to tell others to “stop buying pills”.

  19. I just found out I am B12 deficient or am B12 anemic and just had first injection. I just had my first B12 injection today. Does anyone know if these shots are expensive and are you able to give injections to yourself at home so help w/ cost.

    I am a type 2 diabetic and take metformin twice daily and read people who take this are at greater risk for being B12 deficient.

    I’ve been experiencing extreme fatigue this past year. I used to workout daily and started to notice my body struggling to get through the work out. I’ve gone from having knee problems, to lower back problems, and now I’m having problems w/ my legs and feet. I would complain to the doctor but they never checked my B12. I’m extremely concerned because I’ve noticed such a big change in my body this past year and I’m only 43 and considered myself to be pretty healthy before.

    I am also being tested for MS since and am scheduled for an MRI on Monday. I notice the symptoms are very similiar. I’m wondering if they are linked at all.

    If anyone has any thoughts or advice that you think might be helpful I would really like to hear back from you. Thanks!

    • Hi Lisa,

      A lack of both types of active b12, Metafolin and carnitine can casue all your symptoms. If you do the right brands of subclingual active b12s and so on injections are not needded. Thsoe are usually CyCbl or HyCbl and are expensive to be given them and don’t work as well as MeCbl and AdoCbl. These are typically 100 to 10,000 times more effective. I have injected MeCbl at various times. It isn’t as consitantly as good as the best sublinguals.

      • Actually, B12 is not expensive to give yourself shots, but I cannot buy them any longer. The only factory for them in the US, by RX, is not producing due to contamination, according to my pharmacy. So, it is not available. But, when I bought it, it was hella cheap. When you get checked for MS, be sure that they also check your reflexes to be sure that your neuropathy is not from your nerve sheaths instead of from your brain signals. Muscle response tests also. I was dx with MS and did not have it but gave myself shots for MS for four years and as a result, my heart was damaged. Now, I have a defibrillator implanted and I have CIDP, a totally different disease and I have a b12 def. that has to be treated. Chicken, Egg. Who knows. But, make sure you get All the tests you need before they throw you onto meds for MS. You need MS meds if you have it to stop it’s progression but if you do not have it, it can hurt you.

  20. Does anybody here ever experience or has felt your heartbeat in your knees?
    my knees pulsate all the time and it’s been going on for more than a month, at night time it’s so powerful it distracts me from my sleep. I do take magnesium, potassium and metafolin beside my Mb12 and Adb12 and bunch of other vitamins.