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A Silent Epidemic with Serious Consequences—What You Need to Know about B12 Deficiency

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Reviewed by Chris Masterjohn, PhD

This tired man rubbing his eyes may be experiencing B12 deficiency.
Fatigue is a common symptom of B12 deficiency.

What do all of these chronic diseases have in common?

  • Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline, and memory loss (collectively referred to as “aging”)
  • Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
  • Mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and psychosis
  • Cardiovascular disease
  • Learning or developmental disorders in kids
  • Autism spectrum disorder
  • Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
  • Cancer
  • Male and female infertility

Answer: Their signs and symptoms can all be mimicked by a vitamin B12 deficiency.

An Invisible Epidemic

B12 deficiency isn’t a bizarre, mysterious disease. It’s written about in every medical textbook, and its causes and effects are well-established in the scientific literature.

However, the condition is far more common than most healthcare practitioners and the general public realize. Data from a Tufts University study suggests that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range—a range at which many experience neurological symptoms. Nine percent had an outright nutrient deficiency, and 16 percent exhibited “near deficiency.” Most surprising to the researchers was the fact that low B12 levels were as common in younger people as they were in the elderly. (1)

That said, this type of deficiency has been estimated to affect about 40 percent of people over 60 years of age. It’s entirely possible that at least some of the symptoms we attribute to “normal” aging—such as memory loss, cognitive decline, and decreased mobility—are at least in part caused by a deficiency.

Why Is It Underdiagnosed?

B12 deficiency is significantly underdiagnosed for two reasons. First, it’s not routinely tested by most physicians. Second, the low end of the laboratory reference range is too low.

This is why most studies underestimate true levels of deficiency. Many deficient people have so-called “normal” levels of B12.

Yet, it is well-established in the scientific literature that people with B12 levels between 200 pg/mL and 350 pg/mL—levels considered “normal” in the U.S.—have clear vitamin deficiency symptoms. (2) Experts who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of a deficiency, like Sally Pacholok, R.N., and Jeffrey Stuart, D.O., suggest treating all patients that are symptomatic and have B12 levels less than 450 pg/mL. (3) They also recommend treating patients who show normal B12 levels but also have elevated urinary methylmalonic acid (MMA), homocysteine, or holotranscobalamin, which are other markers of a deficiency in vitamin B12.

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In Japan and Europe, the lower limit for B12 is between 500 and 550 pg/mL. Those levels are associated with psychological and behavioral symptoms, such as:

  • Cognitive decline
  • Dementia
  • Memory loss (4)

Some experts have speculated that the acceptance of higher levels as normal in Japan and the willingness to treat levels considered “normal” in the U.S. explain the low rates of Alzheimer’s and dementia in that country.

What Is Vitamin B12 and Why Do You Need It?

Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. You can think of the brain and the nervous system as a big tangle of wires. Myelin is the insulation that protects those wires and helps them to conduct messages.

Severe B12 deficiency in conditions like pernicious anemia (an autoimmune condition where the body destroys intrinsic factor, a protein necessary for the absorption of the vitamin) used to be fatal until scientists figured out death could be prevented by feeding patients raw liver, which contains high amounts of B12. But anemia is the final stage of a deficiency. Long before anemia sets in, deficient patients will experience several other problems, including fatigue, lethargy, weakness, memory loss, and neurological and psychiatric problems.

The Stages of a Deficiency

B12 deficiency occurs in four stages, beginning with declining blood levels of the vitamin (stage I), progressing to low cellular concentrations of the vitamin (stage II), an increased blood level of homocysteine and a decreased rate of DNA synthesis (stage III), and finally, macrocytic anemia (stage IV). (5)

Common B12 Deficiency Symptoms

The signs can look like the symptoms of several other serious disorders, and the neurological effects of low B12 can be especially troubling.

Here are some of the most common vitamin B12 deficiency symptoms:

  • Tingling or numbness in the hands and feet
  • Brain fog, confusion, and memory problems
  • Depression
  • Premature aging
  • Cognitive decline
  • Anemia
  • Weakness
  • Fatigue
  • Reduced appetite and weight loss
  • Constipation
  • Trouble balancing (6)

Children can also show symptoms, including developmental issues and learning disabilities if their B12 levels are too low.

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Why Is It So Common?

The absorption of B12 is complex and involves several steps—any of which can go wrong. Any of the following can cause B12 malabsorption:

  • Intestinal dysbiosis
  • Leaky gut and gut inflammation
  • Atrophic gastritis or hypochlorhydria, or low stomach acid
  • Pernicious anemia
  • Medications, especially proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) and other acid-suppressing drugs
  • Alcohol
  • Exposure to nitrous oxide, during either surgery or recreational use

This explains why a deficiency can occur even in people eating large amounts of B12-containing animal products. In fact, many of my patients that are B12 deficient are following a Paleo diet where they eat meat two or three times daily.

Who Is at Risk for a Deficiency?

In general, the following groups are at greatest risk for a deficiency:

  • Vegetarians and vegans
  • People aged 60 or over
  • People who regularly use PPIs or acid-suppressing drugs
  • People on diabetes drugs like metformin
  • People with Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac, or IBS
  • Women with a history of infertility and miscarriage

Note to Vegetarians and Vegans: B12 Is Found Only in Animal Products

You cannot get B12 from plant-based sources. This vitamin is only found in animal products. That’s why vegetarians and vegans need to know the signs of deficiency—and the steps necessary to fix the problem.

B12 is the only vitamin that contains a trace element (cobalt), which is why it’s called cobalamin. Cobalamin is produced in the gut of animals. It’s the only vitamin we can’t obtain from plants or sunlight. Plants don’t need B12, so they don’t store it.

A common myth among vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:

  • Fermented soy
  • Spirulina
  • Brewers yeast

However, plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of and increase the need for true B12. (7) That explains why studies consistently demonstrate that up to 50 percent of long-term vegetarians and 80 percent of vegans are deficient in B12. (8, 9)

Seaweed is another commonly cited plant source of B12, but this idea is controversial. Research indicates that there may be important differences in dried versus raw purple nori; namely, raw nori may be a good source of B12, while dried nori may not be. One study indicated that the drying process used for seaweed creates B12 analogs, making it a poor source of the vitamin, while animal research suggests that dried nori can correct a B12 deficiency. (10, 11) Seaweed may provide B12, but it’s not clear if those benefits are negated when that seaweed is dried. I recommend caution for that reason.

The Impact of a Deficiency on Children

The effects of B12 deficiency on kids are especially alarming. Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient even years after they start eating at least some animal products. In one study, the researchers found an association between a child’s B12 status and their performance on testing measuring:

  • Spatial ability
  • Fluid intelligence
  • Short-term memory

Researchers found that formerly vegan children scored lower than their omnivorous counterparts in each area. (12)

The deficit in fluid intelligence is particularly troubling, the researchers said, because this area impacts a child’s ability to reason, work through complex problems, learn, and engage in abstract thinking. Defects in any of these areas could have long-term consequences for kids.

I recognize that there are many reasons why people choose to eat the way they do, and I respect people’s right to make their own choices. I also know that, like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. This is why it’s absolutely crucial for those that abstain from animal products to understand that there are no plant sources of B12 and that all vegans and most vegetarians should supplement with B12.

This is especially important for vegetarian or vegan children or pregnant women, whose need for B12 is even greater. If you’re not willing to take a dietary supplement, it may be time to think twice about your vegetarian or vegan diet.

How to Treat a Deficiency

One of the greatest tragedies of the B12 epidemic is that diagnosis and treatment are relatively easy and cheap—especially when compared to the treatment patients will need if they’re in a late stage of deficiency. A B12 test can be performed by any laboratory, and it should be covered by insurance. If you don’t have insurance, you can order it yourself from a lab like DirectLabs.com.

As always, adequate treatment depends on the underlying mechanism causing the problem. People with pernicious anemia or inflammatory gut disorders like Crohn’s disease are likely to have impaired absorption for their entire lives and will likely require B12 injections or high-dose oral cobalamin indefinitely. This may also be true for those with a severe deficiency that’s causing neurological symptoms.

Typically in the past, most B12 experts recommended injections over high-dose oral cobalamin for people with pernicious anemia and an advanced deficiency involving neurological symptoms. However, recent studies have suggested that high-dose oral or nasal administration may be as effective as injections for those with B12 malabsorption problems. (13, 14)

Try Supplementing

Cyanocobalamin is the most frequently used form of B12 supplementation in the U.S. But recent evidence suggests that hydroxocobalamin (frequently used in Europe) is superior to cyanocobalamin, and methylcobalamin may be superior to both—especially for neurological disease.

Japanese studies indicate that methylcobalamin is even more effective in treating neurological symptoms and that it may be better absorbed because it bypasses several potential problems in the B12 absorption cycle. (15, 16) On top of that, methylcobalamin provides the body with methyl groups that play a role in various biological processes important to overall health.

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Change Your Diet

Nourishing your body through whole food is the best way to get the vitamins and nutrients you need. If you’re low on B12, try eating some vitamin-rich foods like:

Eating other kinds of seafood, like octopus, fish eggs, lobster, and crab, can also help you attain normal B12 levels. If you’re seafood-averse, you can also get this vitamin from:

  • Lamb
  • Beef
  • Eggs
  • Cheese

It’s important to note, though, that the amount of B12 in these foods is nowhere near as high as the levels in shellfish and organ meats.

What to Do if You’re Experiencing Vitamin B12 Deficiency Symptoms

If you suspect you have a deficiency, the first step is to get tested. You need an accurate baseline to work from.

If you are B12 deficient, the next step is to identify the mechanism causing the deficiency. You’ll probably need help from a medical practitioner for this part. Once the mechanism is identified, the appropriate form (injection, oral, sublingual, or nasal) of supplementation, the dose, and the length of treatment can be selected.

So, next time you or someone you know is “having a senior moment,” remember: It might not be “just aging.” It could be B12 deficiency.

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    • That paper indicates that 36% “of the total corrinoid vitamin B-12 activity in Spirulina is human active.” However, if some cobamides inhibit b12 activity, I have to wonder about the remaining 64% in that form of Spirulina. Further, it is not clear that the percentage comes from any of the papers cited at the bottom of that article, so I don’t see how to verify their claim.

  1. Please help! I have horrific optic nerve pain and the only reason found could be low b12 ( 150). The doctors say “that is a little low”, but in reading the thread it seems it is really low. 6 months of b12 injections and nerve pain subsided, just had it checked and I am in the 400 range and all of a sudden I have horrific optic nerve pain again??? I have no appetite yet have put on 20 pounds! I have read that low b12 causes both weight gain and loss. I seem to find conflicting arguments on anything I read.

    • Hi Christine, interesting problem that you have. Be aware that the serum B12 that you measure (400) will be the same type of B12 that was injected, it may not represent active B12. Thus, if you were injected with cyanocobalamin, that is what is most likely in your serum. Cyanocobalamin is a sort of pro-vitamin form of vitamin B12, and must be converted to methyl and adenosyl cobalamin within the cell. The next thing is that when they measure serum B12 it can be on one of two different proteins (i) transcobalamin (the active transporter to take the B12 into the cell and (ii) haptocorrin (this is not active for cellular transport). Hence, just because your B12 level is now 400, if your symptoms have returned it suggests that first, the analogue measured in serum is the inactive one, and second, the B12 that is there is not bound to transcobalamin.
      As for weight gain and weight loss. You need both methyl and adenosyl cobalamin (B12) to properly process your energy derived from fat, and proteins, without it you may feel hungry and so put on weight but feel like you have no energy. You also need vitamin B1 to properly process sugar, so if you are low in this you won’t get energy even from sugar. As an adjunct to this you need riboflavin (vitamin B2). If you are hypothyroidic all of this can be a problem.
      The most important thing is to treat the symptoms as the diagnosis can be ambiguous.

    • Christine T.,
      What do you mean by optic nerve pain? Could you describe the way it feels, and where it is located?
      Have you ruled out diabetes or problems with your endocrine glands such as thyroid and adrenal?
      Make sure you take Magnesium, Zinc, get enough iodine, and take a B complex vitamin as well as B 12. Also, get your D tested.

  2. This message is for Jerry Boucher
    I’ve been suffering from B12 deficiency for 9 yrs.
    My level was 41, by the time drs. found the problem, nerve damage had happened. I use Nascobal and my levels have been anywhere from 700’s to 800’s except when I had breast cancer it was 200. Right now I’m using the red oil along with my nascobal. I’ve been using the oil for about 4 weeks now and
    haven’t noticed any difference. I wonder if the oil is even going to help my nerves.

    • Hi Judy, Have you been checked for other vitamin deficiencies? Once you are critically deficient in B12 and/or folate your gastro-intestinal tract can become very compromised and you may find that you can’t absorb the majority of your B group vitamins. You need them all if you are going to recover. Also you need to have your vitamin D levels very high for neuronal recovery. All this in combination with both Ado and Methyl B12. If your B12 levels were SOOOO low, you undoubtably would have gut damage and poor absorbtion.

      • HI Judy,
        Me again. I was thinking about this a bit, and then it swigged to me that you are using cyanocobalmin in the Nascobal (I am pretty sure that that is right). I would stop using this. If you are one of the people that can’t convert cyanocobalamin to the active forms (Adenosyl and methyl) the cyanocobalamin may block up the machinery inside the cell that processes the other active forms and stop them from working, The other thing is that the Nascobal B12 will get first look at transcobalamin , which is the protein responsible for uptake into the cell, and may further interfere with uptake of the adenosyl and methyl B12.

  3. @Molly Malone: thanks so much for your reply, I’ll read through the articles you posted.

    Michael

  4. Actually, you can find B12 from vegan sources (algae’s and sea vegetables) and multiple studies prove that they are linked to higher levels of B12, so it’s clearly being absorbed to some extent.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20108213 – “Compared to the control period, in the intervention period participants improved their vitamin B12 status, significantly reducing Hcy blood concentration (p=0.003). In conclusion, the Klamath algae product AFA-B12 appears to be, in a preliminary study, an adequate and reliable source of vitamin B12 in humans.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7562085 – “The vegans consuming Nori and/or Chlorella seaweeds (n = 16) had serum vitamin B-12 concentrations twice as high as those not using these seaweeds (n = 5) (mean 221 pmol/L, range 75-408, vs. 105, 35-252, P = 0.025). In the longitudinal study, six of nine vegans showed slow, but consistent deterioration of vitamin B-12 status over a 2-y observation period. On the basis of these results we conclude that some seaweeds consumed in large amounts can supply adequate amounts of bioavailable vitamin B-12.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20013055 – “Chlorella supplement may be useful as a resource of natural folate, vitamin B-12 and iron for pregnant women.”

    In my opinion, the algae’s are a necessity on a vegan diet. It’s not that vegan diets are unhealthy, it’s that most people aren’t properly educated on how to follow a well-planned vegan diet so they don’t run into serious nutritional deficiencies over the long-term. Chlorella provides large amounts of iron, zinc, chlorophyll, nucleic acids, and high-quality bioavailable amino acids.

  5. Hi:
    This is very interesting article. My mom is taking this supplement “Calomide S.C. Tablets 250 µg”, I searched the net and it said contains Cobamamide, in your article you mentioned Cobamide, which is not a true B12 but analog, are they the same thing? The box said B12 supplement.

    Thanks for your help.
    Michael

    • Cobamide ≠ Cobamamide. I think cobamide refers to the general class of all of the B12 analogs: http://www.reference.md/files/D003/mD003038.html
      Whereas cobamamide refers to adenosylcobalamin only. That seems to be the ingredient in Calomide:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobamamide
      http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/medical/cobamide.htm
      http://www.drugs.com/international/cobamamide.html
      Here’s the best of all, though, this page gives synonyms and cobamamide is a synonym for adenosylcobalamin:
      http://www.ecmdb.ca/compounds/ECMDB02086

      Looking at the structure on both the wikipedia page and this next page, it looks like adenosylcobalamin to me:
      http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?sid=7847110
      for comparison, just type adenosylcobalamin into a google search and then click on images.

      It seems that it is actually a very good form of B12, as it is adenosylcobalamin. Whether it is well absorbed in the form it is in is another matter. Sublingual tablets are designed to dissolve under the tongue and absorb across the mouth’s membranes; some of them work fairly well according to those who use them. Pills that are swallowed don’t work so well as the B12 is destroyed during digestion and never makes it to the small intestine where it can be absorbed. Injections of methylcobalamin or hydroxocobalamin work well because the digestive tract is bypassed.

      Your mom’s Calomide seems like a low dose after reading this article, being 250 micrograms, but if it works, then it works.

      • Regarding B12 pills not being absorbed from the stomach. I have a friend who is a district health nurse, and her department gets all the people newly diagnosed with B12 depletion. They start by giving methylcobalamin shots weekly, and then the person switches to oral. They also have all the latest research on B12, and supposedly if you give very large amounts by mouth then it will be absorbed. She said that large amounts by mouth are better absorbed than the sub-lingual type..but I have to confess that i am sticking to sub-lingual.

  6. Dear Chris: I am desperate for your expertise on B12 deficiency. I am 59 years old and at the age of 35 my Dr. Told me I was very low on b12, I wasn’t told I was b12 deficient, I changed Dr’s and did not take my medical records. The doctor I have now had tested my levels, they were 222, this was about 7 years ago. She told me my levels were fine and I have been experiencing many symptoms for all these years. The symptoms I have been experiencing are, insomnia, lack of appetite, weight loss, fatigue, depression, memory loss, panic attacks, I have colitis, vitiligo and the last visit with my Dr. She said that my levels should be at least 300, and to take the b12 pills. I took them for about 3 years with no success, she doesn’t believe in giving the shots. I have very little energy and I am so sick of feeling this way for all of these years. I spoke to many of pharmacist that told me that usually shots are given to bring up your levels then the pills will work. I would greatly appreciate any help you can give me, I am so sick of feeling terrible! I’m afraid that I have a lot of damage because of the length of time this has been going on. Please, please reply, it would me the world to me. Thank you, any info would help, I am feeling so defeated, and you cannot get another doctor in my area. Thanks again

    • Oh my word you poor thing! Many people here know a lot more about this than I do, so hopefully they will chime in, but just to give you more info, here is what I think:

      1 – Read Chris’ articles, here’s another: http://chriskresser.com/what-everyone-especially-vegetarians-should-know-about-b12-deficiency

      2 – Here’s Freddd’s protocol, lots of good info: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/active-b12-protocol-basics.10138/

      3 – Check out the book Chris recommends on Amazon: “Could it Be B12?” by Sally M. Pacholok and Jeffrey J. Stuart. There isn’t a particular protocol in this, but there is a good check list on P. 189-193 to self-diagnose and the book is full of info. even if you don’t have a decent doctor at the moment.

      4 – Then write up a protocol that seems good to you, for your own body and situation using Freddd’s guidelines. He gives wonderful info that is not anywhere else, just at least read that one page I linked in #2 above.

      You can get spray on oils for B12 deficiency and use them instead of the sublingual tablets. You spray on your skin and rub in. Here’s the product page: http://www.b12oils.com/Products.htm

      You can also get spray sublingual methylcobalamin at a dose of 500mcg per single spray. This is what I’m using but I need a lot, and more cofactors that I am learning about from both Chris and Freddd (Thank you both!). I get mine from http://www.vitacost.com/ Just type B12 into the search bar and then look for Pure Advantage brand. Yes I can actually feel a positive difference when I use it, but it is slight. (Perhaps I am not using enough? Perhaps I need more cofactors that I am unaware of?)

      I do believe that injections are the best way to go in the beginning, but I went to an ND who still didn’t believe my symptoms, written down and told to her, with me standing in front of her, because the MCV was in range. She is blind in one eye, can’t see out of the other! I got precisely one injection and felt like a new person for 1.5 days, then no more. Bummer. The spray I use is nowhere near as good as that was, so the search continues…

      Try to find another doctor, preferably an orthomolecular MD/DO or a holistic MD/DO or a naturopath (ND) that actually believes there is such a thing as B12 deficiency. Use google to search. You may be able to find someone to help you that will do it online or long distance. It may be worth it to travel once just to get started, and then continue on your own.

      Best Wishes!

    • Hi Marlene, Your description certainly sounds as if you B12 deficiency, particularly when you combine your B12 levels with your symptoms. You will see many protocols on the web-site for getting better. One thing that you need to do before you decide which one is best for you, you need to work out why your are deficient. as this may help you choose the correct protocol. Thus, do you think it is your diet (vegan or vegetarian), genetic problems (methylation associated mutations),, metformin use, hypothyroidism, atrophic gastritis, etc, etc., or is it the colitis? Colitis can be the cause or the effect. If you have colitis, you will also have other B group deficiencies, and possibly vitamin D deficiency, and in addition most oral, sublingual, nasal spray treatments will be almost ineffective.

    • Hi Marlene,
      Here are all the supplements that I take. I still have my period, and I definitely notice a cycle as to how good or bad I feel, so keep in mind, as a woman, it doesn’t matter if you are post or pre menopausal, you are going to have a certain number of good days and a certain number of bad days each month.

      Anyway, I take
      Natural Factors Sublingual Methylcobalamin 2 5000mcg daily
      Phillips Magnesium Caplets. 2-3 daily
      Feosol Bifera 1 caplet daily-ish
      Vitafusion PowerC 2 Gummies Daily
      Phillips Colon Health. Probiotic caps. 1 Daily
      Sundown Naturals inulin Fiber Prebiotic. 4 capsules daily
      Vitafusion. Platinum 50+. 2 Gummies Daily
      Nature Made Super B Complex. 1 caplet Daily
      Vitafusion Vitamin D. 2 gummies Daily

      I avoid artificial sweeteners as best I can. I would avoid them altogether, but they put them in so many products now, even Wrigley’s gum, that I can’t eliminate them completely.

      I drink unfiltered apple cider vinegar diluted in water, or take the apple cider pills about once a week. More often makes me feel better, but, you know how it is.

      I haven’t tried it yet, but I probably will, try Royal Jelly. If you are severely allergic to bees, you can’t use it, and you have to only start with like 1/8 of a teaspoon a day, but it is supposed to be good for what ails ya.

      I don’t exercise at all (I know, I know). I took a Tai Chi class a few years back, and it did give me a feeling of well being. Something like that, or yoga might help you.

      So, try taking the things I listed for a month or two, and see how you feel. Though, I you may want to take 2 B12’s in the morning, and 2 at night. Also, wait a little while if you are going to try the Royal Jelly, or even the Vinegar. See how you feel with the vitamins first.

      If you don’t notice an improvement after 2 months, have yourself checked for allergies, viruses and the like, and parasites.

      I also drink only water most of the time. Soda gums up the works,and I can feel alcohol in my system for days. I do take aspirin almost daily, but I only use enteric (coated), and never take it on an empty stomach. I also try not to take acetaminophen — I find the fact that they keep lowering the dosage and telling us what not to have with it troubling (after it being sold for over 60 years, they’re just finding out about it now?)

      Just one more thing, coffee was giving me heartburn, so I now take roughly 2-3 Jet-Alert tablets a day until I can kick the caffeine ( yeah, right). They don’t have the same kick as coffee, but one pill gives me quite a bit of stamina for 3-4 hours. That might help you a bit, and for nausea, get some Clove gum, Amazon sells it.

      In the summer I take Zyrtec, sudafed, and sometimes for dizziness, prescription Meclizine, which is GREAT, I can even read a map while my husbands driving, and I don’t feel like I need to throw up.

      I know where you’re coming from, so I hope my drug list helps.

  7. If you haven’t had genetic testing and don’t know if you are COMT V158 positive, then according to Amy Yasko (expert on nutrigenics) I don’t see how you can know what kind of B12 you need. Double COMT like I am is very sensitive to B12 of any kind and I can only use Hydroxy and or Adenosyl B12. On top of that, if your lithium is low, any b12 you take may not be available since lithium is thought to transport it. She says find out your lithium levels through hair metal analysis to determine if you need to get that balanced before moving onto B12 support. Google her protocol for autoimmune, autism , chronic disease……it is based on your genetics…….otherwise you are shooting in the dark on this stuff !!!

    • I am not sure that I agree with this. One of the reasons that people think that they do better on the OH/Ado b12 mix is because basically the OHB12 is not really working and for good reason. They can’t reduce the OHB12 to turn it into MeCbl. Even the science doesn’t support the idea that you won’t do well on MeCbl. It now looks like many of these people need riboflavin (as FAD or FMN) as it is used in the enzymes that are involved in breaking down adrenalin and histamine using SAM. If they are hypothyroidic or have low riboflavin then they appear to be bad responders to methyl, as they can’t make FAD, and so can’t inactivate DOPA, histamine or adrenalin once it is stimulated. The whole hypermethylation story is unproven scientifically and has not even a rational reason to be right.

  8. You all need to go on the internet and look up Methylation Cycle/Methy B12/Methylfolate. You will get tons of information about brain chemistry cycles that involve B12 and folic acid. You may want to get a genetic test done (you can self order thru the ” 23&me” website for $100). You will get a report of genetic deficiencies, but you may not know how to interpret it, so It would be best if you could work with a Dr (MD and or homeopathic) that is aware of “MTHFR” (the genetic defects that cause B12 & Methylation deficiencies). Having said that, most main stream Dr do not even know about this and cannot (will not??) help you. I have seen a neurologist, an ENT, a cardiologists and a family practitioner – non of which had a clue how to help me. Note: If you are not biology or chemistry minded it may seem overwhelming at first, but there are many articles written by laymen that are easier to understand. My main Symptoms: Light headed every day for 2 years, feet burn at night, brain fog. balance issues. Hope you all find answers to your problems.

    • Genetic Genie on the net can decipher your 23& me test and puts it in a understandable format . I think they ask for a small donation for the service but ($15 ?) but it was well worth it.

    • Hi Pat,
      Yes it is a pretty good book, but probably her web-site has quite a bit of additional information. She doesn’t appear to have linked the deficiency to variants in methylation related enzymes (MTHFR, MTRR, etc) nor to the prevalence in CFS. Good on her for trying to make the population aware of the problem. Now if you can just get the doctors to be aware many of us will be better off!

    • Her book is o.k. to show to your doctor if he is not a believer in the harm low B12 can cause, but frankly, she’s preaching to the choir. I really don’t like the fact that she tells people to wait to take B12 until they get a diagnosis from their doctor, when her main complaints are that doctors won’t listen, and that the tests aren’t definitive.

      If I hadn’t started taking B12 on my own 3 years ago, I don’t know where I’d be — probably in a wheelchair waiting for another test to come back. Seriously.

  9. Hi,chris i had vitamin b12 low when i had my total blood count 6 weeks back and it was 186 only as the normal range is between 198 and 500 .I started having symptoms like buzzing in my ears or brain,memory problems,thinking problems,shortage of breath,lack of energy.Doctor suggested me jamieson sublinguil 1000 which didnt really helped me of which i use to take 2 daily almost 6 weeks still have neuorological problems,now i have switched to ola loa b12 with hydroxycobalamin and folic acid also magnesium bisglycinate plus ,i am not sure if its really gonna help me its affecting my social life including my exams,plz suggest me something as my main problem is neurological.

  10. “This is especially important for vegetarian or vegan children or pregnant women, whose need for B12 is even greater than adults.”

    You do realize that pregnant women are adults, right? It would probably be prudent to re-word this sentence.

  11. There are plenty of sources of B12 for Veggie and Vegan eaters. I hope you did not deter anyone from their own choices by stating false information as fact.

    It’s also stated that vegans and vegetarians live an average of 10 years longer than meat eaters. Doesn’t seem like a B12 deficiency to me.

    • Ed,
      What are the vegetarian sources for B12, because I’ve never heard of any. Also, what studies show that vegans and vegetarians live longer (and hopefully without more problems) than meat eaters?
      This isn’t meant to sound confrontational, just wondering.

    • Ed, I don’t know that anyone would agree with you on this. Even meat eaters can have trouble getting enough B12. For instance you would need to eat 4 lbs of chicken to get your daily allowance and up to 10 eggs. As for non-meat sources, the only one of any note is mushrooms, where you would need to eat a whole room of mushrooms to get your daily allowance. Other “supposed sources” have generally been found to be due to bacterial contamination, or shrimps (in the case of seaweed). Having had to deal with someone who had B12 deficient dementia I am very careful about dietary B12 intake.

  12. I’m a vegetarian and also use a proton pump inhibiter, so that may likely be the cause. I saw the Dr. today and he was pretty surprised it was so low so he ordered another test to make sure. We’ll wee how that comes back. He mentioned that there is a nation wide shortage on B12 injections and said that the nasal spray may be the way to go depending on how the re-test comes back. Anyway have any experience with that?

    • Hi Chris, a double whammy. PPI’s are known to cause B12 deficiency, put that in with a vegetarian diet and you would have to have a miracle not to be deficient!!
      I wouldn’t bother with the nasal spray, they are an experiment and a way to get around a couple of patents, all they do is slowly dribble the dose down the back of your neck slowly into the stomach.

      • Thanks for the information. I guess I’ll try to call around and see if I can find any place to get the injections and if so try to convince my Dr to prescribe them. Is it possible to get injections online from a reputable place if you have a doctors prescription. I’m in a fairly big city, but in case I can’t find any.

  13. Well, I ended up going to get the B12 test on my own and figured that if it came back on the borderline I might opt for getting the MMA on my own as well. The B12 blood test came back at <31, so it doesn't seem to be necessary to do the MMA. Seems pretty low. I'm going to see my Dr. to get his take.

    • Well Chris, looks like you now know what is wrong. Your levels should be above 300, so you have a long way to go to get back to that. Now you just have to work out why it so low, and then how you are going to get your levels up and stay up. This will depend a lot on why you are low.

  14. I have b12 deff, fibromyalgia and like another person on here I cannot raise my left arm above my head anymore and now have pain in my left foot as though it’s broken, but doc says it is poss plantar facilitus. I am about to have a active b12 test.

    • Jacquie,
      If you already know you have B12 deficiency, why are you going for a B12 test? No matter what the test says, I would recommend taking two 5,000 mcg sublingual b12 tablets (1 in the morning and 1 at night) each day and see how you feel after a month. Also, see if you are low in D, and take that if you are, but wait for the test on that one because too much D can cause you harm. I was REALLY low, and the doctor prescribed a super-duper D3, but it upset my stomach so much that I had to stop. I tried lower dose over the counter pills, but they upset my stomach also. I then tried Vitafusion gummies, and found that I can tolerate those. Look for low Zinc and Magnesium as well.
      I have been taking Amlodapine and Hydrochlorathiazide for blood pressure, and have had a lot of problems since I began that didn’t go away after taking my vitamins. I decided to lose weight, exercise, and step down from the pills, and am now taking one half dose every other day, and have noticed that I feel a lot better. I haven’t lost the weight or exercised, so my BP will more than likely go up when I’m done with the pills. If you take medicine, it could be that, but don’t be like me. Make lifestyle changes (I know It’s hard when you really, really don’t feel well), and plan with your doctor so you can get off any meds you can.
      I have been taking Unprocessed Apple Cider Vinegar in water with honey every night, and when I can’t, I take an Apple Cider Vinegar Pill, and it seems to help.
      Some people have tried Royal Jelly (bees make it) for fibromyalgia, and they say it works, but I’ve never tried it for anything, so I don’t know how good it is.
      Good Luck!

  15. I’m going to go to a local lab to get a B12 blood test and a urinary MMA test myself and bypass the Doc for now and then decide how to proceed. After looking at all the posts in this blog, I’m confused on what to use as a value for the MMA test to determine if I should pursue B12 shots. Do you just follow the guidance on the report or is there some other level I should use?

    Also, I take a daily multivitamin and separate D vitamin and a B-complex vitamin (just the recommended one a day dosage). Is it recommended to not take these prior to the tests?

    • Chris,
      It’s good that you are taking the B-complex, but they can mask B12 deficiency, especially if they contain Folic Acid. I would stop taking them AT LEAST a month before the test.
      Are you in the U.S.? You can go to a lab without a doctor sending you? Also, I have asked for an MMA test, and other B12 tests from three doctors, and they don’t know what they are.

  16. Hi Chris

    I have been Diagnosed has a
    Having a stroke, vascular diamentia and the onset of Alzheimer,s . My B12 has been low for many years and last checked was 240 My sister has been diagnosed with pernicoi

    • Hi Chris, you need to really address the deficiency. Many studies have shown that you would need high dose repeated injection or the B12 oils to start to repair the damage to your neurons. Nerve velocity measurements suggest that it will take at least one year, but if you are really, really bad it will possibly take longer. Sounds like you may have some genetic predisposition to B12 deficiency. Do you know if you have mutations in your methylation associated enzymes?

  17. Hi Everybody,
    I am from India, Female 41 , 65 Kg Weight , 5′ 5” got recently tested vitamin B12 with 156 pg/ml (Picograms per milileter) ?
    How much medication of Methycobalamine Injection or HydroxyIcobalamine Injection I should take per day till how many days for replenishment?? What happen if i took excess medication??
    You can advice me any other options if necessary…
    Looking forward for your reply.
    Tanisha
    India

    • Hi Tanisha,
      In December 2011, I diagnosed myself with low B12 after reading an online article, “Antacids Ruined My Life”. For the longest time, I had severe fatigue, but by 2011, my hair was falling out; I had extreme memory loss and brain fog; my sight was weird, I could see, but yet couldn’t see was how I described it; my periods were so painful, that I would double over and wouldn’t be able to a stand straight for 5-10 minutes; I was always dizzy, and had a severe attack of Vertigo the year before; my feet hurt as though I had Plantar Faciitis, the pain then went up to the back of my leg to my knee — I was in pain at night in bed, and during the day, I could barely walk; and everything in my life started to overwhelm me, even putting up the Christmas tree was too much for me.

      After the article, I started off with the sublingual cyanocobalamin — 4 pills of 5,000mcg each. I took 2 in the morning and 2 at night. Before 2 weeks was up, my feet and legs were much better, and by the time 1 month had passed, most of my symptoms were either gone, or much, much better. I then switched to the methylcobalamin at the same dose. There is supposed to be no limit to the amount of B12 one can take, but it’s also processed by the liver and goes through the kidneys, and the dose I was taking was high, so for my own peace of mind, I tried lowering the dose, but each time, the pain in my feet came back instantly. By about December 2013 (2 years), I was finally able to lower it to the one 5,000mcg pill. I tried to lower it to 1,000mcg, but the foot pain returned after 2 weeks.

      I still have a few slight problems, and the fatigue, though better, never did go away, but I am taking Blood Pressure and Water Pills which have quite a few side effects (like fatigue), so I am trying to slowly go off of them, too.

      I hear the B12 injections are better than the pills, but my doctor won’t give them to me. If you watch “Living With the Fog” on YouTube, they say that every person is different.

      I’m Female, 51, 65 Kg (if the calculation on Google is right), and am 5’3″.

      Good Luck, and Be Well.

      Ann
      U.S.A.

      • Hi Ann, it sounds like you are experiencing the problems with oral tablets and B12. The amount that you absorb is only a tiny fraction of the dose that you take. This means that whilst it can help with some of your symptoms it won’t really make you better. You probably would be better with the product from b12oils.com which is a topical oil which gets a much higher dose in. I have found it marvellous. Good luck.

        • Madge,
          Many of my extra problems are definitely being caused by my BP meds, but I will try the oils, and see if they do better than my sublinguals. Thanks.

      • Ann – I had similar symptoms.
        For your eyes, I think you should try vitamin B2. That gave me amazing results. My dry eyes and eye fatigue has improved significantly. I tried Natures Plus B2 or Solgar, about 50 to 100 mg initially and can lower the dose later.

        • Thanks for the advise Vin, but my eyes were better after I started the B12. I also take a B complex, and vitamin D gave an extra boost.
          I am over 50, so I need the drugstore readers for reading, but only 1x.

        • Vin,
          I think I will look into the B2. My eyes aren’t as dry as they used to be, especially since I stopped taking my BP meds, and I don’t need my allergy medicine this year. The dry eye flare ups still bother me, and I came across your post again, so I will try the B2 out. Thanks.

      • AnnF, you described everything I have been dealing with lately including the plantar faciitis, and ever since I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in 2010. The doc had put me on Cymbalta which gave me intestinal issues so I got off it and Ive been struggling for 5 years now trying to self treat myself with organic foods, mineral supplements and vitamins. None of the doctors ever thought of B12. One mentioned I had Low D3 but never stressed the importance of it. But NOW after having my blood work faxed to me this time around from being sick and tired, of being sick and tired and in constant pain and overweight, I started googling each result. My MCH was high indicating B12 deficiency and megloblastic anemia? And my D was showing as <4.2 how does one just shrug their shoulders to these results knowing I have these symptoms of fibro, fatigue, unable to lose weight no matter what I did, and then digestive issues that went from 5 years of constipation to suddenly diarrhea! I recently ordered a multivitamin patch since I realized I cant digest anything correctly at the moment, which includes 5000iu D3 and 1000mcg B12 AND a straight patch of B12 5000 mcg only. Directions say the patch is supposed to be used once per week but Ive been wearing one per day since I got them. Seems to be helping but I need more to recoup faster so maybe 4 patches a day (20k mcg) on me would help for a couple months? What say you? (Although they are not cheap they are convenient and I might be able to talk them into a bulk discount)

        • If you can’t get the B12 shots, I think you should try the oils that a few people wrote about on here. I keep saying I am going to try them, but I haven’t yet, just because I’m a little confused about which one to use.

          As for D3, spend time in the sun, drink milk if you can, and try the GummyVites D3. I wrote before (I wish we could sort the posts by name at least), that my doctor was concerned about my D levels, and prescribed, I don’t know, 15,000 units or more of D3, but the pills made me sick, so I tried a few OTC brands until I found the GummyVites. I have been able to tolerate all the vitamins I take, except for the B complex, and that is not so bad if I take it with milk, and especially with food. Make sure you take probiotics.

          I did have the opposite issues in one department. I had diarrhea all the time until I started the B12, and now I am constipated. The Magnesium really helped, but now I can only take one a day, and I know I really have to exercise.

          I think that most of the doctors people go to are competent, it’s just that they have been trained in a certain way. It doesn’t help when stupid reports come out that state that vitamins don’t help at all. How can they quantify something like that?

          Anyway, look at the list of vitamins I put on here in a few places. If you can’t find them, I’ll write them down again. Try for the shots. You never know. Don’t avoid oils and fats — use the whole egg, drink whole milk, use mainly olive oil — imported if you can afford it, I like grapeseed oil as well, try to buy as much organic/non GMO produce as your budget will allow, use raw honey daily, and drink diluted unfiltered apple cider vinegar daily. Get off the coffee if you drink it!

          It takes a long while, but one day you’ll notice that you are starting to feel better, and that really gives you a boost. Good Luck!

  18. I have been trying to sort out my symptoms and have suspected everything from metal poisoning to Lyme and co-infections to Candida and leaky gut. It started after a tick bite, birth of my first child, and amalgam fillings (8 years ago). I had extreme stiffness in my ankles upon waking in the morning. Also, pain in my spine upon jarring. Lyme and lead tests were normal but SED rate was 35.
    Over the years, I developed sharp pains in my neck (thyroid), heart palpitations, chest pain, nose burning when coughing, and more. Last year, after the birth of my 3rd child, IV antibiotics during labor (another tick bite during pregnancy), and metal ortho. braces two months post partum, I suddenly noticed that I was having problems with balance. Subtle, but noticeable. Also, for about two weeks after getting the braces, I had extreme fatigue upon waking and my feet were sore at night and upon first steps in the morning. I didn’t pay much attention, because it subsided. But, then general fatigue and other symptoms began to surface. Shortness of breath, sharp ice-pick head pains, temple tension, facial fat loss, intestinal and eye muscle twitching, then all over muscle twitching. Then I began to panic and woke up with one leg burning and creepy crawly sensations. Cold sensations, tingling, sound sensitivity, smell sensitivity, hyper-nerves and more. It would take pages to describe it in detail. When I had the braces removed, I had instant relief, but have been struggling with finding an optimal balance with diet, supplements and detox. My SED rate has remained around 28-35. My B12 was low normal. 312, I think. My Vitamin D was 28. I have had a few amalgam fillings removed and the supplements and the toxins caused tremors, increases sound sensitivity and brain snapping sensations. A month of Doxy and no supplements solved the brain snapping and sound sensitivity, but the muscle twitching persisted. It has been the most persistant and hard to deal with symptom. Heart palpitations and chest pains and upper torso pains, are the others. Magnesium and B12 has recently almost stopped the twitching, but weakness and sore muscles have started. Also, I have noticed a strange reaction to alcohol for years. I get weak all over my body within seconds of sipping wine. Any insight about what tests to order, or supplements to try would be greatly appreciated. Can I expect to get well?

    • I should also mention that the supplements I have been taking include MethylCobalamin B12, Vitamin D 1000, Glutathione cream, Pectasol C, Fish Oil, CoQ10, Magnesium w/wo calcium, Pau D’Arco. Grapefruit Seed Oil for a short time.
      I have only taken most supplements for a week or so at a time, with a week or so off. Busy life, makes it hard to be regular with anything, and also the flair up of symptoms can usually be attributed to something I am taking, but on so many things, that I have a hard time knowing what.
      Yesterday, I took the b12 twice and today my left arm and hand feels like the blood supply has been cut off and I have a cold sensation in it. I noticed threads about potassium, so yesterday and today I ate a banana. Hasn’t helped, yet.

    • Hi Danielle,

      First, what is Doxy and SED?

      Tests — Lupus, there are other tick diseases besides Lyme, MS, check all your endochrine glands, your Lymph system, Hodgkin’s and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, diabetes, liver, kidney, HEART, lungs, particularly asthma, brain, and D3. Long list, I know.

      If you look back, you might remember signs of B12 deficiency, but never realized. For me, you know the end scene from Queen of the Damned, where the vampires are walking in slow motion, while everyone else is speeding? That was me as child, and still is as an adult. I can relate to the tick bite and childbirth (though tick bite just kind of made me more aware. Seriously, I do think what you have is B12 deficiency. So many things — EYE TWITCHING — sound exactly like what I was going through.

      B12 deficiency really sneeks up on you. I remember whem I was 19, feeling slower than I had been, then at 30, complaining to others that I felt so tired, and that everything just seemed so hard, and them saying that everyone felt like that, and me saying to myself, “I don’t think so..”. At 32, even though I was eating the same or less, and exercising more, I gained so much weight in one month, that none of my clothes would fit. Slowly, until, like you, everything started breaking down. I laughed when you mentioned the alcohol, because the same thing always had happened to me.

      My advice to you, stick with the vitamins I listed a few times now. Do not take fish oil. Take cod liver oil. Lately I have been taking Carleson Norwegian Cod Liver Oil. I take a teaspoon a day, and it doesn’t taste fishy at all. Stop taking the more “different” supplements. I have found they are not worth it, and the grapefruit seed, I love grapefruit, and eat it a few times a year, but really, it effects too many things, so I am very wary of it.

      I think you know this, you already said it yourself, you have to stick with it. A banana a day is a very good idea, but a banana EVERY day. I’m a housewife, so I can make sure I take my supplements every day. I still can’t sleep too well at night, but I can take a long nap during the day. It makes me anxious because all the housework piles up, then I spend my well time playing catch-up, but at least I am lucky because I can be flexible, and let work pile up. I know most people can’t let things slide,or work around illness, but you really have to try to do what you have to in order to feel better.

      Good luck, and write back in a few months to let us know how you are doing.