What do all of these chronic diseases have in common?
- Alzheimer’s, dementia, cognitive decline, and memory loss (collectively referred to as “aging”)
- Multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurological disorders
- Mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and psychosis
- Cardiovascular disease
- Learning or developmental disorders in kids
- Autism spectrum disorder
- Autoimmune disease and immune dysregulation
- Cancer
- Male and female infertility
Answer: Their signs and symptoms can all be mimicked by a vitamin B12 deficiency.
An Invisible Epidemic
B12 deficiency isn’t a bizarre, mysterious disease. It’s written about in every medical textbook, and its causes and effects are well-established in the scientific literature.
However, the condition is far more common than most healthcare practitioners and the general public realize. Data from a Tufts University study suggests that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range—a range at which many experience neurological symptoms. Nine percent had an outright nutrient deficiency, and 16 percent exhibited “near deficiency.” Most surprising to the researchers was the fact that low B12 levels were as common in younger people as they were in the elderly. (1)
That said, this type of deficiency has been estimated to affect about 40 percent of people over 60 years of age. It’s entirely possible that at least some of the symptoms we attribute to “normal” aging—such as memory loss, cognitive decline, and decreased mobility—are at least in part caused by a deficiency.
Why Is It Underdiagnosed?
This is why most studies underestimate true levels of deficiency. Many deficient people have so-called “normal” levels of B12.
Yet, it is well-established in the scientific literature that people with B12 levels between 200 pg/mL and 350 pg/mL—levels considered “normal” in the U.S.—have clear vitamin deficiency symptoms. (2) Experts who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of a deficiency, like Sally Pacholok, R.N., and Jeffrey Stuart, D.O., suggest treating all patients that are symptomatic and have B12 levels less than 450 pg/mL. (3) They also recommend treating patients who show normal B12 levels but also have elevated urinary methylmalonic acid (MMA), homocysteine, or holotranscobalamin, which are other markers of a deficiency in vitamin B12.
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In Japan and Europe, the lower limit for B12 is between 500 and 550 pg/mL. Those levels are associated with psychological and behavioral symptoms, such as:
- Cognitive decline
- Dementia
- Memory loss (4)
Some experts have speculated that the acceptance of higher levels as normal in Japan and the willingness to treat levels considered “normal” in the U.S. explain the low rates of Alzheimer’s and dementia in that country.
What Is Vitamin B12 and Why Do You Need It?
Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. You can think of the brain and the nervous system as a big tangle of wires. Myelin is the insulation that protects those wires and helps them to conduct messages.
Severe B12 deficiency in conditions like pernicious anemia (an autoimmune condition where the body destroys intrinsic factor, a protein necessary for the absorption of the vitamin) used to be fatal until scientists figured out death could be prevented by feeding patients raw liver, which contains high amounts of B12. But anemia is the final stage of a deficiency. Long before anemia sets in, deficient patients will experience several other problems, including fatigue, lethargy, weakness, memory loss, and neurological and psychiatric problems.
The Stages of a Deficiency
B12 deficiency occurs in four stages, beginning with declining blood levels of the vitamin (stage I), progressing to low cellular concentrations of the vitamin (stage II), an increased blood level of homocysteine and a decreased rate of DNA synthesis (stage III), and finally, macrocytic anemia (stage IV). (5)
Common B12 Deficiency Symptoms
The signs can look like the symptoms of several other serious disorders, and the neurological effects of low B12 can be especially troubling.
Here are some of the most common vitamin B12 deficiency symptoms:
- Tingling or numbness in the hands and feet
- Brain fog, confusion, and memory problems
- Depression
- Premature aging
- Cognitive decline
- Anemia
- Weakness
- Fatigue
- Reduced appetite and weight loss
- Constipation
- Trouble balancing (6)
Children can also show symptoms, including developmental issues and learning disabilities if their B12 levels are too low.
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Why Is It So Common?
The absorption of B12 is complex and involves several steps—any of which can go wrong. Any of the following can cause B12 malabsorption:
- Intestinal dysbiosis
- Leaky gut and gut inflammation
- Atrophic gastritis or hypochlorhydria, or low stomach acid
- Pernicious anemia
- Medications, especially proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) and other acid-suppressing drugs
- Alcohol
- Exposure to nitrous oxide, during either surgery or recreational use
This explains why a deficiency can occur even in people eating large amounts of B12-containing animal products. In fact, many of my patients that are B12 deficient are following a Paleo diet where they eat meat two or three times daily.
Who Is at Risk for a Deficiency?
In general, the following groups are at greatest risk for a deficiency:
- Vegetarians and vegans
- People aged 60 or over
- People who regularly use PPIs or acid-suppressing drugs
- People on diabetes drugs like metformin
- People with Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac, or IBS
- Women with a history of infertility and miscarriage
Note to Vegetarians and Vegans: B12 Is Found Only in Animal Products
You cannot get B12 from plant-based sources. This vitamin is only found in animal products. That’s why vegetarians and vegans need to know the signs of deficiency—and the steps necessary to fix the problem.
A common myth among vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:
- Fermented soy
- Spirulina
- Brewers yeast
However, plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of and increase the need for true B12. (7) That explains why studies consistently demonstrate that up to 50 percent of long-term vegetarians and 80 percent of vegans are deficient in B12. (8, 9)
Seaweed is another commonly cited plant source of B12, but this idea is controversial. Research indicates that there may be important differences in dried versus raw purple nori; namely, raw nori may be a good source of B12, while dried nori may not be. One study indicated that the drying process used for seaweed creates B12 analogs, making it a poor source of the vitamin, while animal research suggests that dried nori can correct a B12 deficiency. (10, 11) Seaweed may provide B12, but it’s not clear if those benefits are negated when that seaweed is dried. I recommend caution for that reason.
The Impact of a Deficiency on Children
The effects of B12 deficiency on kids are especially alarming. Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient even years after they start eating at least some animal products. In one study, the researchers found an association between a child’s B12 status and their performance on testing measuring:
- Spatial ability
- Fluid intelligence
- Short-term memory
Researchers found that formerly vegan children scored lower than their omnivorous counterparts in each area. (12)
The deficit in fluid intelligence is particularly troubling, the researchers said, because this area impacts a child’s ability to reason, work through complex problems, learn, and engage in abstract thinking. Defects in any of these areas could have long-term consequences for kids.
I recognize that there are many reasons why people choose to eat the way they do, and I respect people’s right to make their own choices. I also know that, like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. This is why it’s absolutely crucial for those that abstain from animal products to understand that there are no plant sources of B12 and that all vegans and most vegetarians should supplement with B12.
This is especially important for vegetarian or vegan children or pregnant women, whose need for B12 is even greater. If you’re not willing to take a dietary supplement, it may be time to think twice about your vegetarian or vegan diet.
How to Treat a Deficiency
One of the greatest tragedies of the B12 epidemic is that diagnosis and treatment are relatively easy and cheap—especially when compared to the treatment patients will need if they’re in a late stage of deficiency. A B12 test can be performed by any laboratory, and it should be covered by insurance. If you don’t have insurance, you can order it yourself from a lab like DirectLabs.com.
As always, adequate treatment depends on the underlying mechanism causing the problem. People with pernicious anemia or inflammatory gut disorders like Crohn’s disease are likely to have impaired absorption for their entire lives and will likely require B12 injections or high-dose oral cobalamin indefinitely. This may also be true for those with a severe deficiency that’s causing neurological symptoms.
Typically in the past, most B12 experts recommended injections over high-dose oral cobalamin for people with pernicious anemia and an advanced deficiency involving neurological symptoms. However, recent studies have suggested that high-dose oral or nasal administration may be as effective as injections for those with B12 malabsorption problems. (13, 14)
Try Supplementing
Japanese studies indicate that methylcobalamin is even more effective in treating neurological symptoms and that it may be better absorbed because it bypasses several potential problems in the B12 absorption cycle. (15, 16) On top of that, methylcobalamin provides the body with methyl groups that play a role in various biological processes important to overall health.
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Change Your Diet
Nourishing your body through whole food is the best way to get the vitamins and nutrients you need. If you’re low on B12, try eating some vitamin-rich foods like:
- Liver
- Shellfish
- Clams
- Oysters
- Organ Meats
Eating other kinds of seafood, like octopus, fish eggs, lobster, and crab, can also help you attain normal B12 levels. If you’re seafood-averse, you can also get this vitamin from:
- Lamb
- Beef
- Eggs
- Cheese
It’s important to note, though, that the amount of B12 in these foods is nowhere near as high as the levels in shellfish and organ meats.
What to Do if You’re Experiencing Vitamin B12 Deficiency Symptoms
If you suspect you have a deficiency, the first step is to get tested. You need an accurate baseline to work from.
If you are B12 deficient, the next step is to identify the mechanism causing the deficiency. You’ll probably need help from a medical practitioner for this part. Once the mechanism is identified, the appropriate form (injection, oral, sublingual, or nasal) of supplementation, the dose, and the length of treatment can be selected.
So, next time you or someone you know is “having a senior moment,” remember: It might not be “just aging.” It could be B12 deficiency.
A general comment on serm level with mb12 and adb12. Generally body healing is best accomplished with levels around 20,000pg/ml peak or more (1x1000mcg Enzymatic Therapy or Jarrow for 45-120 minutes under lip up to 15-20mg daily of Jarrow 5mg). For CNS damage a constant average serum level of around 200,000pg/ml is often needed to reverse subacute combined degeneration and other CNS damage. This is achieved with 3x10mg SC injections daily. However, these levels are titrated to by effects. A trial of 50mg of Jarrow for 120-180min will demonstrate what such injections can do.
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Clive, 1000mcg of a 5 star methylb12 (Jarrow, Enzymatic Therapy) is so far superior to ANY number of any dose hydroxcbl that you will be pleased. However, it is more than just b12 you need. In order to heal neurology with some reliability and possibilty of completeness you need basically a good b-complex, a,d,e,c, magnesium and calcium (normal amounts), 5 star methylb12, adb12, Metafolin, zinc (about 50mg daily), omega3 oils, l-carnitine fumarate as a minimum.. hen abouyt 90% of people will have rapidly decreasing potassium typically 3 days after healing starts (3 days after starting) requiring approximately 2000mg-3000mg (titrate to effect) of potassium daily in divided doses. Also depending upon your folate polymorphisms somewhere between 2.4mg and 15mg of Metafolin. As some people have very extreme responses to mb12, adb12, l-carnitine fumarate as they are depsarately deficient, they need to be titrated, with some people starting as low as 50mcg a day. Start the basics with mb12. A quarter of a 1mg tablet under the lip for an hour will tell you what your response is going to be to mb12. Many start at 1mg and some people think that the lighting up of the nervous system is terribly unpleasant. When the nerves heal first all the damage becomes very obvious with a strong increase in the perception of the symptoms and damage. Then often shootng pains then painful buzzing/tingling slowly fading to more common moderate tingling fading to hypersensitvity then finally to normal sensation. it tends to walk through the symnptoms backwards from the ordeer of onset. Feeling suddenly sick on the 3rd day approxximately is low potassium, sudden muscle spasms while resting, heart palpitations, mood changes, personality changes, malaise etc are usually all potassium.. Induced folate deficieciency/insufficincy results in peeling fingertips and around nails, IBS, and a host of other symptoms. Increase metafolin as folic and/or folinic acid and/or green drinks or veggie folate can also block metafolin,.
Adb12 can cause extreme reaction depending upon which deficiencies one has and so can l-carnitine fumarate. Those who find either of these two intolerable and anxiety provoking have a specific set of symptoms and damages and need a slow titration of these to have a chance to heal the problem.
What happens if you are B-12 deficient but then have allergic response to cobalt? The supplements make me brake out into hives on the palms of my hands and the soles of my feet. Im in a bit of a pickle here.
Lauren, Most reactions to b12 is to the flavoring, fillers, sweetners or other than the cobalamin itself. Try the Enzyamtic Therapy and Jarrow brands of methylb12. Also, paradoxical folate deficiency really hypes up allergic response. This may be telling you that you need a sizable dose of Metafolin. Deplin comes as 7.5mg and 15mg. Folate deficiency and mb12 deficiency causes hyper reactivness of every type especially allergy for many.
Lauren,
There have been some reports of allergy to nickel and cobalt, but they are not so well documented.
Now the thing is that these allergies are to free cobalt, not to cobalt bound into the corin ring in vitamin B12. You may have a problem dealing with cyanide, which is in the cyanocobalamin supplements, also marketed as vitamin B12. You could try methylcobalamin and/or adenosylcobalamin. In these natural forms of vitamin B12, the cobalt is actually hidden in the molecule in a fashion that would be very hard for an antibody molecule to get to.
The best way to tell would be to get the mix and put a small amount (a drop) on your skin and see if you get a reaction to the material. You can try the material from http://transdermoil.com (Red B12).
Fredd is right about the material that is mixed with the vitamin B12 (the excipients), many people react to the salts etc, particularly in the cyanocobalamin (provitamin B12) form.
I have been having neurological symptoms + anxiety/depression for about 3-4 months.
The neurological symptoms have included pain, cramp and numbness in my feet and pains up my legs into my backside.
I have recently started on a course of 6 loading injections of hydroxocobalamin. I am also starting Freddd’s protocol. Is combining the two an overkill?
Considering the extent of my symptoms – how long before I can expect resolution of my neuropathy. My mental state is now quite a bit better after 3 injections.
Also what does the “nervous system waking” up feel like as compared with the nervous system deteriorating.
Cheers
Clive
I posted on here back in Jan after having my active b12 test done. The result was 40 showing borderline difficient. My GP prescribed cyanocobalamin and folic acid as my bloods showed my folate level was low. After 2 months I went back for a repeat prescription and gp said after this he was not going to give me anymore as my levels are fine. I got a list of blood results from my gp which showed my mcv and mch high throughout this has been ignored. The GP said to me to go and buy my own B12 , I said to the GP why are injections prescription only if it is something that patients should treat themselves. I see a neurologist next week as I have epilepsy, sclerosis of hippocampus, and severe neuralgia and hope to find out why my levels are low. What should I ask my neuro for or am I better self treating. I have severe nerve pain all over sometimes feels like barbed wire inside me.
Hi.
I recently had a urine b12 test which came back normal and a blood test b12 test which came back 740.
My iron level was done too which was low at 3. I have been told a few times this year that I was anemicI have also had tests done that show I am b3 and b6 deficient. I have breathing problems that I need oxygen 24 hours a day, I try to follow a wheat free diet as I know this causes me problems. I am from the uk. What would you suggest I take in the way of supplements to help with this, and is there anything I should be doing.
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Have you heard of Stiff Person Syndrome. This is one of the main symptoms of body getting stiff.
I have suffered progressively worse over the last 10 years with IBS-like symptoms, extreme tiredness, brain fog, joint and muscle pain, weakness, “depression and anxiety”, teeth problems etc. I was on PPIs for GERD for 15 years. I stopped the PPIs in Jan and felt better for a month (not NORMAL just better) and then bammo, took a big drop. Just finally found a doc that cares about nutrition. B12 level is 221. D25 is 11! Progesterone was a little low too. I start injections for B12 today. I’m on D3 5000IU orally. And I am starting treatment also for SIBO/Candida even though my stool test showed digestive enzymes were off, not bacteria and yeast. A little worried about that…. hoping I don’t have a tumor on my pancreas or anything. :/
Hi,
I was told (after blood tests) that my B12 was 165….. i go to a state clinic, and they arent too helpfull on telling me more about this. All ive been told is that i must go for an injection once a week, and take 2 Vit B12 Strong tabs every morning. Thing is, i dont know the seriousness about the whole thing. So i havent been taking the tabs and havent been going for all my injections. I came across all of this now, because i thought i should research it. I went for blood tests, because when i wake in the morning, or during the night, my fists are clenched, and my hands tingle often (in my sleep).
Chris – I hope you could shed some light on this for me………….
Thanks
Olivia
If you’re not a vegan or vegetarian, with a B12 that low it’s probable you have pernicious anemia. It’s an autoimmune disease that inhibits B12 absorption. You should get your anti-parietal cell antibodies tested to determine if you have it. Injections or sublingual B12 are crucial to bring your levels back into the normal range (which is, in my opinion, >450)
Thanks for your reply Chris.
Really appreciated. Will do the neccessary.
Do you think that B12 might help my restless leg syndrome?
I have a horrible case of restless legs and I have been taking 6 – 50mg tablets of Tramadol every night for years. I desperately would like to get off of Tramadol or take something that may not cause as much damage to my body. I have tried all of the prescription medications and Tramadol works best unless I was going to take a bunch of hydrocodone each night instead.
Thanks for your help and all of the great information that you share.
Yes, I have seen it help with RLS and neuropathy is a classic symptoms of B12 deficiency.
Hi,
I have been suffering from depression, attention deficit, Tics/OCD, brain fog, speech issues for around 15 years. It just started suddenly for me and it is still there. I tried many supplements, since I knew pretty much that mainstream medicine can not do much, and I did not want to be medicated and sedated on everyday basis. I still deeply believe there is some underlying issue and I am still very committed to find that.
My natural doctor did some tests and told me to take B12 of 10,000 mcg every day (2×5,000), even though I have level of 426. Do you think that is possible to have all these issues due to low B12? When I see other people here, many of you have some neurological issues and also some physical as well. In my case, only neurological issue would be stuttering. Physically I feel fine, I can exercise, and usually I don’t have fatigue.
Would it be possible to be strong physically and to still have B12 deficiency, with mostly psychological problems.
Thanks,
Alex …
Hello Alex – did you get a response to your post? My son who is 26 may benefit from a response as he appears to have similar symptoms as you.
Thanks
Hi Chris
I have monthly B12 injections because of Pernicious Anaemia (Intrinsic Factor). Should I have my B12 levels checked regularly? Is it possible to have too much B12 stored in my liver and, if so, can this cause me other health issues?
Regards
Lyn
I have been taking B12 shots and believe that I will have to take them to maintain B12 levels. I’d like to get the methylcobalamin instead of the cyanocobalamin because of long term use would be healthier.
I travel overseas often so location is not a factor. Do you know where I might procure?
Chris, have you ever heard of anyone taking B-12 and it having the opposite effect? I have stopped taking the sublinguels because I was feeling so tired and dragging bad. I quit taking them 3 days ago, and for the last 3 days I have felt much more normal and energetic. Note: I’m the one with a high reading of 900, but my other test results say that my body is not absorbing the B-12. Thanks!!
I was having the same problem – started supplementing – 4 great weeks – then 2 weeks of total fatigue – then read the magnesium miracle and realised the importance of magnesium as a co factor and that although I had been taking Magnesium it was causing a lot of trips to the toilet and so in reality I was not really taking magnesium and thus becoming deficient – I changed magnesium to the Ancient minerals Mag. Spray to boost levels immediately and Douglas Lab’s Animo-Mag 200 tablets that bypasses the intestine and after 2 days the difference is amazing.
You could check your magnesium level by getting a RBC Magnesium Blood Test
Since starting supplementing I have gone (B12) from 156 to 812 in 6 weeks but of course this is just serum levels not an ‘active b12 test’ so my levels are similar to yours and this is something along with folic acid levels that I would check out and also (v. important) D3 (25OH)
Mark
I normally take my B-12 in the morning … and I do take Magnesium, but I take it at night. I take Doctor’s Best 100% Chelated Magnesium … 300 mg. So, should I be taking the Magnesium in the morning along side the B-12?
I’m taking a total of 600mg per day (400mg is the suggested daily dosage) and I take it every 4 hours (150mg x 4)
I suggest you read the magnesium miracle and get a test
Mark
Okay, I went and read some … I will spread out the Magnesium and start taking the B-12 and see if that helps. Can I ask what brand you’re taking on the Magnesium … the 150mg’s?
Douglas Labs Magnesium Citrate
Thank you so much!! I took one Magnesium this morning, and one 5mg B-12 …. I’ll break up taking the Magnesium through the day. I sure hope it makes a difference. HUGz!
Julee and Mark
It is possible to have too much magnesium in your system. I suggest you get your bloods taken which will indicate what your magnesium levels are on a given day. Then you can go from there with the advice of a GP. You should always get the advice of a professional regarding the use of supplements.
Lyn
It is exceedingly rare to have too much magnesium in the body. The cases usually involve kidney disease, IV magnesium or massive continuous doses. A woman in labor is often given an IV of 50,000 mg to stop labor contractions. It does not hurt the woman or the unborn child.
You’ll know when you’ve had too much magnesium and will be running to the toilet to get rid of it soon enough.
Still… as the first reply states, you should have an RBC analysis to determine levels before supplementing. That includes CALCIUM supplementing… a far more dangerous mineral. Even the American Dairy Council mentions ‘toxic’ levels of calcium being anything above 3000mg. I’m sure many American women exceed this level with blind calcium supplementing and dietary intake.
Hai, am 36 years old and last year December was diagnosied with vitamin B 12 deficiency. Intrisic factor antibodies were positive as well as pariental cell antibodies. Iam taking injections every month and have my enegy has improved. but am not sure whether it is penicious amemia or not because i don’t know what shows that its really penicious. i did an endoscopy and my stomach and intenstine were all okay.
Mirriam
I went to my gps other day to get repeat prescription, the gp I saw said he was not going to give me anymore tablets after this lot. I am taking folic acid 5mg and cyanocobalamin 50mcg, I asked for some injections which he has refused to give me. He then said go to a health shop. Why is it prescription only for injections if it something nhs doesnt want to treat when they can see there are severe neurological damage. My original tests showed normal b12 levels until I had the active test, the gp contradicted himself after originally saying my levels are fine that some people can only be a tiny bit deficient and have symptoms while others can have very low levels and be fine after agreeing with the nhs guidelines and refusing to treat me until I had the active b12 test done. What is the best thing for me to take for low active b12 and what causes active to become low. I have neurological symptoms and am under a neurologist. I have epilepsy which has become worse because of this.
Some bloodwork results today. The ones that concern me are my B12 ….. 375 and Ferritin ……. 9.
Why it concerns me ……. My B12 has dropped from 464 (last checked December ’11) to 375. I know it doesn’t sound low and not much of a drop, but it has taken me almost two and a half years to get to the level of 464 from original diagnosis of B12 deficiency with a level of 85 in December ’09. I continue to take sublingual Methylcobalamin daily and get IM shots every 3 weeks. My next B12 level check is in 3 months. I hope, cross my fingers, it won’t be lower yet than 375.
The Ferritin I guess isn’t too low but still lower than it should be. “Normal” level is 12 ??? My doctor doesn’t think I need to take iron daily because I am “not anemic and never have been”. If my Ferritin is low is my iron low too?
I guess what I am wondering, with numbers dropping, in the back of my mind could it still be Pernicious Anemia that caused the B12 deficiency. I was tested for it in April ’10 ….. Anti parietal cell antibody positive, intrinsic factor negative. With no definitive reason as to why I had such a severe deficiency, it still makes me think of PA, though my doctor totally thinks it is not and never was. On a side note thyroid is .89 and Folate is 37.
Thanks for listening to my ramblings and I hope I didn’t confuse!
Hi Mona. That ferritin level sounds very low to me. I don’t live in USA, but from memory, normal ferritin levels here in NZ are between 12 and 200, but you can’t possibly feel normal on only 12! Not in my experience anyway. I tested 9 when it was discovered that I was low in ferritin and it took months of ferrogradumet tablets and my levels had to rise to about 75 before I started feeling better. My levels are now 140. Low thyroid function can also affect your ferritin levels. New guidelines state that between 0.5 and 3 is the normal range and most people are best at about mid range. Old guidelines state the levels between 0.5 and 5. I was 3.3 but knew something wasn’t right. I had to search the internet for this info and finally got my doctor to prescrive levothyroxine although I now take natural thyroid replacement. One thing that can affect your thyroid and B12 levels is a hidden gluten intolerance. That was the underlying problem that I had so I am now on a GF diet. Here is a link about the new thyroid levels. Good luck!
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/a/labs2003.htm
Oops! I missed your thyroid reading. Doesn’t sound like that’s a problem for you.
Thanks for the link Rose!! I haven’t read it yet but surely will. My thyroid is normal. It tends to go up and down but right now I will be happy with it being in the normal range.
I think that I had a blood test for something to do with Celiacs. I think it was IgA ??? I will have to check back on my reports for that. That test came back normal.
As for my Ferritin. I would think that with a level of 9 that my doctor should want to check my iron level?? Surely if my storage is low then the iron would be low. Then with my B12 going down, that is disheartening when I have been trying so hard to get it up to a good level for the past two and a half years.
Thank you again for your comment. I always appreciate new information!!
Hi
I wonder if anyone could help me, I am a bit confused from everything I have read and could do with some advice (I am a 26 year old female):
I have had symptoms of extreme lethargy, feeling down, electric shocks and an upset tummy for the last 3 years and have been back and fourth to the doctors several times. The doctor offered me anti-depressants but nothing further. I knew I wasn’t depressed!! Last April the doctor did a blood test and my B12 level came back at 130, he gave me a chat about diet and told me to take some multivitamins that contain B12. I went for a follow up test in June and it had gone up to 180 which was just below the 185 that they considered normal so he decided it was down to my diet and said I needed to follow up. However since Christmas I have felt worse than ever – I can easily sleep for 14+ hours at night and still be tired – I have quite a serious job and have been finding it almost impossible to concentrate, I have used all my leave up taking days off to just sleep. I went back to doctors desperate, they did another blood test and my B12 came back low again, this time at 95 despite the facts I am taking pills with 140% of my recommended daily intake.
The doctors gave me another chat about diet (I have a normal diet and eat meat/fish dairy etc). They have taken my blood again to check for intrinsic factor (I think that’s what its called?) and have sent me a referral letter to make an appointment with a hematologist. I am a bit worried as waiting list for the hospital appointment is about 8-9 weeks. I asked the doctor if I would be starting injections before then but they said it was best to wait until I have seen the hematologist. I am getting concerned that 95 is probably quite a low reading and 8-9 weeks sounds like a long time to wait? I should get my results from the intrinsic factor blood test in a few days. If i do have enough intrinsic factor then is there some other reason why i am not absorbing vitamin b12?
Any advice anyone can give would be hugely appreciated.
Thanks
Charlotte
Hi Charlotte
firstly you can’t overdose on B12 so the daily recommended dose is irrelevant. The ‘scale’ in America is totally wrong, in simple terms, any serum level below 400 should be a cause for concern and below 200 (mine was 156) is v. serious in terms of neurological symptoms.
Most doctors are severely uneducated about this and I think it’s vital that you read this book ASAP and educate as much as you can about B12 deficiency’s:
http://www.amazon.com/Could-It-Be-B12-Misdiagnoses/dp/1884995691/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331509457&sr=8-1
You certainly need to find out why your level is so low if its not diet and this could be a number of reasons…Lack of Intrinsic Factor, Pernicious Anemia and a few other issues that are mentioned in the book and these forum posts like Celiac Disease.
In terms of getting your levels back up, you may wish to wait for the I.F. blood test result to see if this is the problem but I would strongly advise that you consider Methylcobalamin as the kind of B12 that you use to raise your levels as opposed to Cyancobalamin.
I found most success with these:
http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-5000mcg-Lozenges/dp/B0013OQGO6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331509665&sr=8-1
I wouldn’t wait 9 weeks with a level of 95 – a lot of times (but not all) a result of that level means Pernicious Anemia.
Should should also check out and join the forum at the UK Pernicious Anemia Society, as there are a lot of very experienced posters on there that are v. happy to offer their help, advice and experience.
http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/
Finally, I would also check your D3 levels, but make sure the blood test you have is the D3 (25OH) test.
Hope this helps….
Mark
First of all, Chris – thank you for all you do and also to everyone for sharing their experiences and additional resources on this site!
After 5 months into Paleo and supplementing with D3 and Omega 3, my D3 hasn’t improved much, currently at 47 and B12, just tested first time, is at 144. I’ve always been anemic or lower side due to Beta Thalassemia minor, so we always have been told in the family – not to worry about low HB. I know it’s a different topic, but any suggestions about what should be the acceptable blood and iron markers for Thalassemia carriers?
Now reading all this about anaemia and B12 connection, how much do I need to be alarmed? After doing so well on Paleo, lately I’ve been having the symptoms of fatigue, hair-loss, mood swings and increased heart beat waking me up at night, headaches, continues dull stomach ache, foggy head and forgetfulness (I’m 39 yo female). Is this due to anaemia or adrenal stress or blood sugar disragulation… or all together, who knows… I”m just confused where to go with this now. My doctor only suggested to supplement B12 as per “instructions on the bottle”. She said to wait for 3 months before starting on injections.
Current results:
D3 – 44
B12 – 144
These blood exam markers are all below the lab range:
HB 11.1
PCV 35.5
RCC 5.89
MCV 60fL
MCH 18.8 pg
MCHC 31.3 g/dL
White cells are lab mid range
Platelets 329
Iron 14 umol/L mid range
Transferrin low 2.1
TSH normal 2.87
Total calestorol increased 5.2
LDL increased 3.8
Triglyceride came down to 0.8
Fasting glucose – average 5
After meal 2 hrs – average 6.2
A1C- not tested
I’m about to go for the ultrasound for stomach ulcer test
H Pylori test came negative after antibiotic treatment
Any suggestion about how do I go about helping to all this, what do i start with first? I’ve increased my carbs up to 120gm and reduced exercise to 2-3 times a week to reduce the stress factors.
Probably the good doctor is the first I need which has been the challenge by itself, if anyone has any suggestions about MD or naturopath in Melbourne, au, I’d be greatly appreciated!
B12 levels that low are consistent with pernicious anemia. I would get your anti-parietal cell antibodies tested to see if you have it. Oral B12 will not be helpful to you if you have pernicious anemia, but sublingual methylcobalamin (active B12) or hydroxycobalamin (precursor to both forms of active B12) can serve as an alternative to injections in some people with pernicious anemia.
Thank you Chris!
Chris Kresser, When methylb12 solution is exposed to light it is photolytically broken down to hydroxcbl which then reaches an equilibrium state with aquacbl. This is just one of the things I found out trying to make methylb12 reliable and predictable in effectiveness. In addition adenosylb12 and cyanocbl both breakdown photolyticaly to hydroxcbl. When this happens the injections are prone to causing an acne type lesion on the scalp, face or even sometimes, body. This is the way many pharmacies ruin the methylb12 that they prepare. Injecting it with a transparant syringe can allow enough light to casue the acne. I wrap the vial and syringe in foil so as to preserve the effecriveness of the solution. While the body can reclaim about 10-20mcg or so a day of hydroxcbl converting it to methylb12 it’s more of a breakdown product in practice. Methylb12 is the precursor for all other forms of b12 within the body according to that article. Recent research indicates that there may be dozens of trace amount special purpose cobalamins all derived from methylb12, the most reactive form with a +1 oxidation state.
Chris,
I have a few of questions regarding B-12 deficiencies. They are as follows:
In addition to determining a B-12 deficiency, can a vitamin B-12 serum test determine if one has a B-12 malabsorption problem? If one has a B-12 malabsorption problem, likely as the result of no intrinsic factor, will they have to take B-12, preferably in the form of methylcobalamin, intramuscularly?
How can I tell if I have no intrinsic factor? Can it or is it caused by having hypochlorhydria/ achlorhydria?
If one has a B-12 malabsorption problem, are they most likely to have a folate malabsorption problem? If so, will they have to take folate, preferably in the form of methylfolate, intramsucularly as well?
Can nutiritionists or naturopathic doctors prescribe methylcobalamin and/ or methylfolate injections?
Kassda, With an MCV of 60 you appear to have iron deficiency anemia ansd who knows what else. A b12 or folate deficiency macrocytic anemia would have an mcv > 100. Severe iron deficiency can maske that.
Here is a question out of left field I’m sure….
I was B12 deficient for over 2 years… level was as low as 130… started oral suppliments and never got higher than 150. Internist started me in B12 injections once a month. The GP now suspects I might have Lyme or a Lyme co-infection called Babeosis, which i understand can really decrease the number of red blood cells and have a lot of the same symptoms as B12 defiency. I’m just wondering if this Babeosis can affect B12 levels too… might there be a connection. I’m in Canada… so Lyme in itself is a complete mystery to the doctors up here.
Maybe it’s a strange question, but can being B12 deficient due to diet for a long period of time permanently affect your ability to properly absorb B12?
I was vegetarian for many years and was diagnosed with a B12 deficiency (130 pg/ml). I was put on a course of injections. After my B12 serum levels were at an acceptable level my doctors stopped the injections as they thought the cause of the deficiency was dietary (I had been tested for the parietal antibodies twice, and celiac once and these tests came back negative). I changed my diet, but after 6 months of regularly eating fish/meat my B12 levels have dropped again and symptoms are back. So it looks like a malabsorption problem even though it’s not likely to be pernicious anemia or celiac.
Is it possible that due to being B12 deficient for so long that my body has somehow lost the ability to absorb dietary B12?
Yes, I’ve heard this many times from vegetarians and vegans. B12 absorption is complex and requires many steps, and if any of those steps are compromised B12 absorption will be impaired. You may need high-dose sublingual methylcobalamin for an extended period to keep your levels up. You’d also want to make sure you’re getting other methylation co-factors like folates, trimethylglycine and B6.
The doctor that diagnosed me with pernicious anemia 2 decades ago (I was 35), saved my life. I thought I had diabetes. I had lost feeling in my feet and hands. I couldn’t put my head down and then up again without falling over. He took one look at me, and said, “it could be pernicious anemia”. What would give him that idea right away?? I have vitiligo. There are several other autoimmune diseases that go “hand in hand” with vitiligo: Thyroid disease, pernicious anemia, and diabetes. I have everything except the diabetes. I was on B-12 injections until a couple of years ago when I started to take Metanx. I am now symptom free, and have noticed a decrease in hand and foot problems, such as pins and needles, and low level pain. I am pain free and am able to function normally.