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Harmful or Harmless: Carrageenan

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Carrageenan, a heavily discussed additive in the world of alternative health, is an indigestible polysaccharide that is extracted from red algae, and is most commonly used in food as a thickener or stabilizer. Carrageenan-containing seaweeds have been used for centuries in food preparations for their gelling properties, but the refined, isolated carrageenan found in modern processed foods has raised concerns in the health-conscious online community. (1)

Carrageenan is especially common in non-dairy milks such as almond milk and coconut milk, which means that some people who transition to a Paleo diet might actually be increasing their exposure if they use these products. I discussed carrageenan on a recent podcast, but today I want to give you a more detailed summary of the evidence.

Hold the almond milk… is carrageenan affecting your health?

There are a few distinct types of carrageenan that differ in their chemical properties, but the most important distinction is between degraded carrageenan and undegraded carrageenan. From a chemical standpoint, the difference between these two types is in their molecular weight. From a practical standpoint, undegraded carrageenan is approved for use in food products, while degraded carrageenan is not. (2) Although both substances are often referred to as ‘carrageenan,’ they have very different chemical properties and should really be treated as separate compounds. Degraded carrageenan is also called ‘poligeenan,’ which is how I will refer to it in the rest of this article to avoid any confusion.

Animal Studies

Most of the carrageenan hysteria stems from animal studies that implicate carrageenan in the formation of ulcerations and cancerous lesions in the colon. A thorough review of the approximately 45 available animal studies on carrageenan was published in 2001, and at first glance, these studies seem alarming. However, it turns out that the majority of these animal experiments used poligeenan instead of carrageenan, and as I mentioned before, these are two separate compounds with different effects. Poligeenan is significantly more detrimental to the health of lab animals than carrageenan, so the lack of a clear designation between them has given carrageenan a worse reputation than it deserves.

One important difference is that while poligeenan can cause cancer on its own when given in high enough concentrations, undegraded carrageenan has only ever been shown to accelerate cancer formation when administered with a known carcinogen. (3) In other words, food-grade carrageenan has not been shown to cause cancer in animal models. That doesn’t necessarily mean carrageenan is in the clear when it comes to cancer, but contrary to popular belief, it is not a known carcinogen.

Additionally, poligeenan produces more severe ulceration and inflammation than carrageenan, and at lower concentrations. As an example, a study on rhesus monkeys using poligeenan at 0.5-2% resulted in diarrhea, hemorrhage, and ulcerations, while carrageenan at 1-3% resulted in no colonic changes. (4) (For reference, the concentration of carrageenan in processed food is usually between 0.01% and 1%.) (5)

However, carrageenan has produced intestinal damage in some animal studies. Observed effects in rats include epithelial cell loss, increased intestinal permeability, and diarrhea. (6) In guinea pigs, carrageenan at a 5% concentration in the diet caused ulcers in the colon, although a similar concentration in the diets of rats and hamsters resulted in no difference from controls. (7) In pigs, concentrations of carrageenan between .05 and .5% administered for 83 days resulted in abnormalities in the intestinal lining, but no ulcerations or tumors. (8) Still, a more recent rat study found no ulcerations or lesions in the colon after 90 days of carrageenan administration. (9) These studies suggest that the effects of carrageenan are highly species-dependent, which makes it more difficult to extrapolate these results to humans.

There are a few other important considerations when determining how applicable these results are to humans. Many of these experiments administered the carrageenan through the animals’ drinking water as opposed to their food, which tends to increase the severity of the resulting symptoms. Because carrageenan interacts with protein molecules, consuming it as part of a solid food is much less harmful than consuming it in water. Also, although many of the concentrations administered are comparable to concentrations found in processed foods, many experiments were conducted at concentrations much higher than humans would ever encounter on a normal diet. Remember, these studies are looking at carrageenan as a percentage of the entire diet, not just less than 1% of a small portion of the total diet, as is the case when using milk replacement products.

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Human Studies

Experimental evidence on the effects of carrageenan in humans is extremely limited, for obvious ethical reasons. However, a few in vitro experiments have been conducted on isolated human intestinal cells.

One study found that in intestinal epithelial tissue, carrageenan exposure increased the expression of two pro-inflammatory transcription factors. (10) This reaction appears to be protective of the intestinal tight junctions, because suppression of either of the inflammatory factors resulted in increased permeability of the isolated epithelial tissue. Unfortunately, it’s unclear whether they used food-grade carrageenan rather than poligeenan in this experiment.

Two similar studies that did use food-grade carrageenan also found that isolated intestinal epithelial tissue responded to carrageenan by up regulating inflammation. (11, 12) Another study on human intestinal epithelium found that undegraded carrageenan reduced the activity of many sulfatase enzymes, with potential negative ramifications for the function and vitality of the cell. (13)

Finally, another study found that exposing human intestinal epithelial cells to undegraded carrageenan in concentrations lower than what would be found in a typical diet caused increased cell death, reduced cell proliferation, and cell cycle arrest. (14)

These studies provide some support for the generalization of the animal studies to humans, implicating carrageenan in the potential for intestinal inflammation. However, it’s important to remember that not only were these studies in vitro (aka not in the human body), they also didn’t administer the carrageenan with any food, so the effects observed may differ significantly from what actually occurs when humans ingest carrageenan in a real-world setting.

Exposure to Poligeenan

Because poligeenan can be produced from carrageenan, many researchers and laypeople have expressed concern that we might be exposed to poligeenan through contamination of the food supply. However, the most recent sources indicate that the poligeenan contamination level of food-grade carrageenan is less than 5%. (15)

Another encouraging data point in this situation is that while carrageenan is an extremely effective thickener and emulsifier at concentrations as low as .01%, poligeenan has no functional effect in food even at concentrations up to 10%. (16) Specific chemical processing is necessary for carrageenan to be degraded to poligeenan, and because poligeenan is of no use in the food industry, it seems unlikely that poligeenan would show up in appreciable quantities in processed foods.

Another concern is whether small percentages of ingested carrageenan are degraded to poligeenan in the digestive tract after consumption, either because of the acidic environment or because of intestinal bacteria. Some experimental evidence indicates that as much as 10-20% of carrageenan could be degraded to poligeenan during digestion, while other researchers (not surprisingly funded by the carrageenan industry) assert that carrageenan is stable throughout digestion. (17, 18) Regardless, the significant differences between poligeenan and carrageenan as evidenced by the reactions of lab animals make it pretty clear that even if some degradation does take place, carrageenan still doesn’t have the potential for harm that poligeenan does.

Conclusion

As with magnesium stearate and soy lecithin, carrageenan has been frequently portrayed as significantly more harmful than is supported by available evidence. Contrary to popular belief, it’s not a known carcinogen, and although some studies implicate carrageenan in ulceration and inflammation, some show no adverse effects.

However, I do still think caution is warranted. If I had to rank additives, I’d say carrageenan is a bit more concerning than the other two additives we’ve discussed so far because of its association with gut issues. Remember, in cases involving modern ingredients, the burden of proof should be on manufacturers to prove that they’re safe, rather than on consumers to prove that they’re harmful. Because the evidence isn’t conclusive either way, I recommend avoiding carrageenan, especially if you have a history of digestive problems.

Personally, I adhere to the “precautionary principle” for anything I eat; in other words, in the absence of proven safety, I choose to avoid foods that have questionable adverse effects. Carrageenan fits this description, as there’s still some doubt about its safety and no evidence has convinced me that there isn’t a potential for harm if consumed regularly.

Occasional exposure is likely nothing to worry about, but for most people reading this, avoiding carrageenan is probably as simple as making your own nut milk or coconut milk, so I would encourage you to give that a shot. Also, if you follow the links to those two posts, some commenters have shared brands of almond and coconut milk that don’t contain carrageenan (although watch out for other additives that may be present).

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  1. Good for you Joe Mancaruso, for trying what you needed to do for you wellbeing. A wise man once said to me, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take (yes it’s a hockey analogy!)
    In good health.

  2. Takes a pretty weak mind to worry about food.

    Seriously.

    And I have food allergies-thanks to the “progress of medical sciences” – but I don’t obsess over it. And I certainly don’t tell others how to eat….but then I grew up poor without #SNAP (food stamps). And our family ate what we could afford.

    Eat a variety of foods while they’re still available and then you don’t have to worry about things.

    Sheesh.

    3….2….1….and let the immature (hate) responders begin. Prove that I’m so stupid as you believe in your supreme opinion that I am.

    Do I care? Will I ever care?

    Nope.

    Whole foods has one of the worst records for Recall on food, too. So, I’ll just keep shopping at normal regional grocery stores like normal people who have real things (not food additive) to worry about do.

    • very narrow minded of you! We SHOULD be worried about what’s in our food, because it all involves making money and the focus is not on good quality or healthy food. It is your opinion only and others are entitled to theirs. Don’t shoot it down because you grew up poor and are used to eating that garbage. Such a strong opinion for a very uneducated person…jeez back to you! I will continue to do research and care for my body. What I’ve been doing my whole life has given me cancer and it’s damage done by the garbage in our foods mostly. No thanks to that anymore, I will choose a different path and probably will see a remarkable difference. Good luck to you…you’ll need it!

    • If you don’t care, why are you even here commenting? You are lucky that this additive doesn’t make you sick, but it does affect many other people. I can’t have chocolate milk, ice cream, or eggnog any more because they all use this stuff as a thickener. The only reason it’s used is because it’s cheaper than the old thickeners that did not make people sick.

      • Organic Valley 2% chocolate milk (1/2 gal.) does not contain carageenan. It’s the only chocolate milk I will let my children drink.
        Silk chocolate almond milk doesn’t have carageenan in it either.

  3. Very sensible article. Looking back, my sports reflux symptoms – chest pain at a certain elevated pace – started not long after I began eating cottage cheese for breakfast everyday and Silk brand soy milk across the day, both of which contain carrageean. It was serious enough I went to the ER at the time, only to be reassured via treadmill testing that it wasn’t heart related (well, hopefully). I say “looking back” because five years later I went without both by chance for a couple of weeks, during which I was very aerobically active, sometimes more than once a day. It then struck me that carragean, a common ingredient, might be the culprit. And sure enough, I was symptomless for thenext year-plus while laying off cottage cheese and Silk soy milk.

    Eventually, I started using Westsoy’s carrageean-less brands, tho I don’t recall exactly when that started. Sometime in the first half of the second year the symptoms started gradually coming back, and over the course of the past three years have gotten worse, even on protoxin, to the point where I’m currently during pH and motility studies to see how the esophagus is working during exercise. One thing that struck me was whether or not Westsoy brands are being cross-contaminated; it’s not mentioned on the label, and I’m waiting for an answer from them. Of course, this could be something else entirely, such as some form of microvascular angina, a possibility tossed out by a GI specialist who may or may not know something (my symptoms don’t really fit the textbook on either). TBD…

    • Did you ever find out what the problem was, Roger? I have coronary micro vascular disease and had the same type symptoms as you.

  4. I am so glad I found this article and am more informed about this additive. I will be removing as much as possible from my diet. I think I will try to make my own nut milk or possibly try the hemp milk.

  5. What do you do when your doctor tells you that you have stage 4 terminal cancer?..you have no options except for palliative care or Hospice…a number of months to live…it will cost you thousands of dollars…but it won’t cure the cancer…weekly scans, doctors visits, poked with needles, not to mention the side effects, possibly an earlier death from the chemo and the time lost doing all these things…I decided to spend my money on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu training at Bastos BJJ, a trip to Hawaii, San Francisco, and quality time with my wife, kids, including seeing my daughter married…I am convinced I would not be here today if I would have continued with chemo.

    In May 2013 I was given 9-12 months if I followed the protocal for stage 4 nsclc (non-smoker). I only did one of the recommended drugs (Alimta $10,000 a dose every 4 weeks), one night I had a seizure, I had chemo cough, had to limit my exposure to people because my immune system was compromised. After 3 rounds of Alimta i decided no more chemo. So tried several diets ending up following the ketogenic diet, supplements, exercise, sunshine and heat therapy.

    This will not be the right choice for everyone but for me at 56 years old it allows me to train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu 4-5 times a week, kettlebell training and travel.

    When I asked the doctors at MD Anderson about diet, they had no recommendations. I asked then about the links between cancer and simple carbs and cancer they said that it was inconclusive. I could eat sugar and other simple carbs.

    The more I researched, I felt there may be a connection. I eliminated sugar, pasta, rice, white flour, whole grains, potatoes and high glycemic fruits and vegetables from my diet. Since February 1, 2014 I have been tracking my food intake on a Keto Diet App.
    % of calories
    78% fat
    17% protein
    5% carbs

    Averaging 25.2 carbs a day
    Coming from berries, spinach, cabbage, garlic, tomatoes, cucumbers, lemons, somes nuts. I am at 9.5% bodyfat.

    Cancer
    In 2013
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    lung cancer stage 4 andenocarinoma nsclc

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    • It’s very refreshing to hear you taking charge of your life and I’m so sorry to hear of your cancer. I too was diagnosed with cancer this past May of 2014, it’s not terminal like yours, but it’s not curable either. I face a lot of testing, surgery and chemo and have only been given 5-15 years to live. That doesn’t sit well with me as I have 2 small boys and I am the only parent involved. I’m so glad to hear of your eagerness to keep fit and healthy, I am trying to do the same but it’s hard for me due to the hectic schedule of being a single parent. Your story is very inspirational and I’m just curious to find out how you are doing now and what is your prognosis at this point. I will pray for a miracle for you and just know you made the right choice. Good for you and good luck! I would love to hear how you are doing so if you can respond, that would be great motivation for me and incentive to push harder. God bless you!

  6. Thanks for the article. I was wondering how much of these carragenan substance should I consume daily, and this article have showed wisdom toward that.
    I know better now. Again, thanks

  7. Hello!
    It has been proven that:
    -many individuals DO have the ability to break down undegraded carrageenan into the dangerous form of degraded .
    – many foods processing methods cause the undegraded to break down into the degraded form.
    -all cancer researchers used by the WHO ( World Health Organization) consider ALL methods of testing valid in order to detect cancer.
    We must ALWAYS remember the 2 golden rules:

    1.Just because a food additive has been shown to be safe in animal studies does NOT mean that it is automatically. safe for humans.
    Thalidomide was tested in over 6 species inc. multi- generational with primates ( 98 % the same DNA) and produced no harmful effects. Yet the majority of mothers who took it during her first trimester of pregnancy had a deformed child.
    2.Food additives are NEVER tested together yet they are often found together in the same product or different products with different food additives are eaten together at the same meal.
    The safest method is to avoid ALL food additives as much as possible as safe natural foods virtually always exist as an alternative. For example as a safe sub. for carrageenan -egg yolks in ice-cream and puddings etc,.finely milled rice powder and tapioca powder etc, and gelatine in other products.
    Avoid Carrageenan!

  8. Why does Almond Breeze® contain Carrageenan?

    We understand that there is an enormous amount of negativity on the Internet pertaining to an ingredient called ‘carrageenan’. We would like to take this opportunity to provide you with some information that may help to clear up any misconceptions about the use of this ingredient as a food additive and about the Blue Diamond brand.



    As you may know, carrageenan is a food additive naturally extracted from seaweed and is approved for use in foods by the US FDA (Food & Drug Administration) as an emulsifier, thickener or stabilizer.

    

In June 2012, the FDA confirmed the approval and safety of the use of carrageenan as a food ingredient for human consumption. The FDA has previously considered the inflammatory and ulcerogenic effects of certain forms of carrageenan in animals, and has found that studies demonstrating such effects do not support a reversal of regulatory and ulcerative effects in humans.

    

The FDA also concluded that available research does not demonstrate that ‘food grade’ carrageenan induces tumor formation. Finally, while some studies and organizations have concluded that the ‘degraded’ form of carrageenan can be carcinogenic, Blue Diamond Almond Breeze Almondmilks and Coconutmilk Blends do not contain this form of carrageenan. Blue Diamond uses only the highest quality of ‘food grade’ carrageenan in its Almond Breeze product line.



    Blue Diamond’s use of carrageenan in its Almond Breeze Almondmilks and Coconutmilk blends as a stabilizer complies with the FDA’s proscribed use and labeling requirements. Blue Diamond Almond Breeze Almondmilk and Coconutmilk blends clearly identify carrageenan as one of the ingredients on the product label for all consumers to read and evaluate before purchasing or ingesting.

    

In summary, there are no inherent safety issues with this product line and we encourage consumer to read and evaluate product labels on any Blue Diamond product to determine it appropriateness for their specific dietary and health considerations and needs.

    • FDA approved doesn’t mean safe or side-effect-free. Blue Diamond obviously does not care about customers who suffer ill effects from this additive. As long as their products contain this additive, I won’t be a customer, and neither will many other people, simply because we *can’t* ingest this stuff without getting sick.

      • The FDA also approves the following:
        Dimethylpolysiloxane – silicone breast implant filler, polish and cosmetics and oh yeah chicken nuggets as an antifoaming agent, that should sound familiar to those reading labels of processed foods.
        Titanium Dioxide – used in paints, it also helps to make processed food, such as salad dressing and icing, look whiter for longer.
        more: Coal Tar and Oil for food colouring – how many things have colouring added to them – not just your colourful cereals, yogurts, soups, and breakfast bars, but even your supermarket butter. How about antifreeze: Propylene glycol is used to as lubrication for sodas and dressings, beer and condoms.

        All these things and more are okay according to the FDA so we can trust them right?

        If you went to a natural whole foods store, you would find substitutions for all these things including condoms. You can make your own beer at home, just like kombucha, yogurt and a number of other things.

        Also, our ancestors didn’t eat those store made things. Why are we so arrogant and so busy in our lives that we have to have the easy package crap? What is a commitment to our families? Isn’t it our obligation to give our children the best? Isn’t it real health? Or are we so weak? We are so busy that we must not reschedule watching Housewives and just order in a pizza? And just give in to “but that’s what Jimmy had in his lunch today!” or “but I WAAAAAAAAN it!”

        Or how about ourselves: are we so privileged, more so than our ancestors that we MUST have the easy way to health?

        If we don’t take the time to really invest in our health with education, and elbow grease in the kitchen, and sacrificing watching the game, or another stupid sitcom or reality show, than yes we will pay for our choice to have the easy way out with our own health and longevity. personally we want to be healthy and active enough to enjoy our grandchildren.

        • So true! We’ve gotten used to the convenient way of life. Unfortunately, we have to make these changes ourselves and be our own doctors. It’s so disappointing to see all the crap they put in our food to make it taste and look good and it’s all about mass production to make a fortune off of us. Cave men ate what grew naturally and they didn’t get sick the way we do today. It’s so disgusting to me to think that this is the what it has come to. If we stop buying it, they will be forced to make a change. We have got to spread the word.

        • Oh, best avoid eggs and bananas then, since they contain formaldehyde and all. Seriously, have you even checked the naturally occurring substances in organic food? And no self-respecting manufacturer would ever use propylene glycol. What they use is propylene glycol alginate, an ester of alginic acid, which is derived from kelp. First some research, then some honesty, please.

    • Your propaganda post here does not explain how so many of us have finally found relief to our problems by eliminating carrageenan. Recent research provides evidence that so-called “undegraded” carrageenan can and does cause problems for people. Your motivation is your bottom line. Our motivation is our health and safety. We don’t trust you for obvious reasons.

    • Thank you Blue Diamond for informing us of your company choices. Not sure why you want to do this when other alternatives are available. I will continue to buy products that do not contain carrageenan. Also, I am finding more and more ways to make these products on my own without such additives. The food is usually healthier when I make it so company refusal to support customer wishes is actually making my family healthier.

    • The FDA has proven to be a corrupt organization not at all focused on the well being of the public, but rather the pockets of the large food manufacturers! The comments therefore have NO credibility!

    • James, I’m so sorry to read your post and discover that Almond Breeze is unwilling to consider removing or replacing the carrageenan in the almond and coconut milks you produce. I have been drinking several boxes of various varieties of the unsweetened ones for years, and I thought that perhaps that was okay if they didn’t contain the “bad” form of carrageenan, but I just read several recent studies which show that carrageenan promotes both insulin resistance and diabetes. I am dealing with the former, and my boyfriend has the latter. We will immediately be returning all our unopened boxes and purchasing a different brand that does not contain carrageenan. I’m very sorry I will no longer be able to enjoy Almond Breeze — especially the unsweetened chocolate almond milk, which is hard to replace — but my health is just much more important than my palette.

  9. I discovered my daughter was having an allergic reaction to carrageenan over 11 years ago (she is now 12). I realized that she would have congestion and other respiratory issues after attending birthday parties! That was when she was having ice cream. I discovered this by reading all the ingredients in items at the parties and found carrageenan to be the common thread. I recalled that some of her test results showed she was allergic to moss and my initial search showed that carrageenan was an Irish moss (?) So now we either make our own ice cream using raw milk and cream or seek out specific ice creams without this ingredient.

    • What ice creams have you found that don’t contain this ingredient. I love making my own but I am guilty of buying it at the stores. Would love some recommendations! Thank you!

  10. Carageenan upsets my stomach so much. I was always ill, until I cut out this toxic additive and I feel 100% better!

  11. I found a few studies most recently published:

    Food additive carrageenan: Part I: A critical review of carrageenan in vitro studies, potential pitfalls, and implications for human health and safety
    CRITICAL REVIEWS IN TOXICOLOGY; MAR, 2014, 44 3, p211-p243, 33p.

    and

    Food additive carrageenan: Part II: A critical review of carrageenan in vivo safety studies
    CRITICAL REVIEWS IN TOXICOLOGY; MAR, 2014, 44 3, p244-p269, 26p.

  12. My brother has 3 children who were all lactose intolerant so he fed them goats milk and they had no problems.Its worth a try and natural unlike all the substitutes you list.

  13. My young daughter has severe gastro reactions to carageenan. Before I realized she had a problem with it, I was giving her almond milk daily that contained carageenan. She had stomachaches, sour stomach, diarrhea & occasional vomiting. It took months of worrying & wondering what was wrong with her. I then happened to stop buying almond milk (or any non-dairy milks) for a short time and she immediately improved, having no gastro upset at all anymore. Then one time a few months later, her grandma gave her almond milk w/ carageenan. My daughter then had 7 or 8 days worth of diarrhea, sour stomach, and vomiting. Carageenan is scary stuff!

    • This is very similar to my experience of accidentally discovering carrageenan was my problem.

  14. Does anyone knonw of a carageenan free evaporated milk? I use evaporated milk for tea and Carnation contains carageenan.

  15. Sprouts house brand of almond milk does not contain carrageenan. However, there are plenty of other additives. The ingredients are: Almondmilk (filtered water, almonds), tricalcium phosphate, natural flavors, sea salt, gellan gum, dipotassium phosphate, xanthan gum, sunflower lecithin, vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D2, DL-alpha-tocopherol acetate (vitamin E). The sweetened version contains evaporated cane juice. I’ve only been checking for carrageenan but wonder whether there’s possible harm from some of the other ingredients.

  16. After spending much time doing the research on carrageenan that is presently provided, and seeing everyone’s reaction to that information, I still come to the came conclusion. Our scientific based data has been flawed for years. They are taking the natural foods and adulterating them to add to our food supplies. I come from an era that this was never a concern because everyone used basic food groups and not combining all and everything to make the palate believe your eating something else. Allergies, immune diseases, cancer, heart issues, and diabetes, have all grown exponentially because someone has told us what to eat and what is good and not good. Why is everyone trusting someone else and not doing your own investigation work. Since the 1970’s when the big people in charge starting to tell us that saturated fats were no good for us, I stopped trusting anything given to the public to change the buying market. The research data is available to anyone curious enough to look. This carrageenan scare is only one of the small health issues staring at our future and the lives of us and our children. I am 66 years old and through the help of God have been shown the truth about many things that are plaguing the present generation. If anyone has a question for most health issues I invite communication.

    • Tina, I do agree with you. What do you recommend then, especially to younger people that have just being surround by all the food industry fad? I started using DoTerra essential oils, dietary supplements anad skin cleansing products. Great products, only to find out some of them have PEG and carrageenan. I’m at a point I feel lost and scared with all conflicting information.

      • My best advice is to look for information involving food combination. There is a book only in ebook form that tells about the basic foods, it’s called Food Combining: Liz Earle’s quick guides. It is out of print and only in ebook. This explains what I am talking about going back to basics. We didn’t have all of this processed food in boxes and sandwich meats and such mixed with chemical cocktails 40 years ago. Fresh fruits, vegetables, all meat except pork. Avoid bread products and stay low on the sugar. Sugar mostly from fruit is the best. Todays processed foods are made to taste good and addicting. Salt and sugar are refined to cause addiction. Sugar in liquid form (high fructose corn syrup) is the worst poison ever developed. This form has been proven to cause high inflammation in the body which is the precursor for every disease known to many. I have researched this. This in not just my opinion. The issue with carrageenan is only a small one. It can be watched by you and reading labels. If you have a reaction to this eliminate it from your diet. It can be absorbed through the skin but at a much slower rate. The bigger problem is what you put into your stomach. Read, study, research. You are the only one who can do for yourself. Take all in and evaluate because some may not be valid. The information is there and many are willing are willing to share it. If you need some thing else specific contact back.

  17. Amazed at the number of processed products and faux food people indicate they eat on this thread, e.g. Silk Almond Milk, Ensure, especially Soy Milk, etc. All these products are not food, and it seems the majority don’t recognize basic fundamentals viv-a-vis trying to obtain unadulterated, quality foods. The salient theme is – avoid crap (carrageenan) in crap. I suggest avoid the crap that contains the crap. Your thyroid will thank you by eliminating the soy and other anti-nutrients from the crappy junk faux food products practically everyone here seems to drink. Wake up ladies! Further, gelatin (cooked collagen) is comprised of the anti-inflammatory amino acids (35% of the amino acids in gelatin are glycine, 11% alanine, and 21% proline and hydroxyproline – Ray Peat).

    Duh, gelatin doesn’t pass for a vegetable product – it’s the cartilage in an animal. People used to eat the whole animal – most don’t. If you don;t know this is a problem – then you fail to understand one of the value that animals provide for humans nutritionally. Before reacting – realize anti-nutrients exist in plant sources. It’s not wise to go down the road of bashing animals as food or the problems with vegetables. But wiser to realize the problems AND the benefits with foods from each. But fer Chrissakes people – realize the many crap foods discussed on this thread are NOT food at all. You’re drinking processed crap – minus carrageenan.

  18. try root for thickeners. great for bone health too. may find in asian stores. these things grow wild so no need tolace with anything

    • arrow root is an underground tap much like carrots but white. Grate, squeeze out liquid part. discard sediment.. allow liquid to settle.decant. you find a starchy substance.This can go through several rinsings, use filtered trustworthy water, we must make time for our health.