This is an update of an article I published in 2011. I affirm that animal products are among the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat and that vegetarians and vegans are at risk for multiple nutrient deficiencies. I have included up-to-date research and expanded the list of nutrients that are often lacking in vegetarian and vegan diets.
Maybe you have considered going vegetarian or vegan for the health benefits. Or maybe you know someone who feels strongly about it as an ethical choice, and you wonder if they can really follow the diet in a healthy way. I respect these reasons and appreciate anyone who thinks deeply about the social and spiritual impact of their food choices—even if my own exploration of these questions has led me to a different answer.
But many choose a vegetarian diet because they’re under the impression that it’s a healthier choice from a nutritional perspective. It is this last reason that I’d like to address in this article. For the last 50-plus years, we’ve been told that meat, eggs, and animal fats are bad for us and that we’ll live longer and enjoy superior health if we minimize or avoid them. This idea has been so thoroughly drilled into our heads that few people even question it anymore. In fact, if you asked the average person on the street whether a vegetarian or vegan diet is healthier than an omnivorous diet, they’d probably say yes. But is this really true?
If You Want Nutrient-Dense Foods, You Need to Eat Animal Products
Plant-based diets emphasize vegetables, which are quite nutrient dense, and fruits, which are somewhat nutrient dense. They also typically include large amounts of cereal grains (refined and unrefined) and legumes, both of which are low in bioavailable nutrients and high in anti-nutrients like phytate. Most importantly, vegetarian and vegan diets eschew organ meats, other meats, and fish and shellfish, which are among the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat. (1)
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Vegan diets, in particular, are almost completely devoid of certain nutrients that are crucial for physiological function. Deficiencies can take months or years to develop, and many are easily missed because they are not routinely tested for in primary care settings. Several studies have shown that both vegetarians and vegans are prone to deficiencies in:
- Vitamin B12
- Calcium
- Iron
- Zinc
- Long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA
- Fat-soluble vitamins like A and D
Let’s take a closer look at each of these nutrients.
Vegetarian and Vegan Diets Don’t Provide Enough Vitamin B12
B12 deficiency is especially common in vegetarians and vegans. To properly evaluate B12 status, total serum vitamin B12 isn’t enough. A better marker for vitamin B12 is holotranscobalamin II, the biologically active fragment, which should be measured along with total homocysteine and methylmalonic acid. Low B12 is correlated with low holotranscobalamin II, while homocysteine and methylmalonic acid are usually increased in later stages of vitamin B12 deficiency. (2) The most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that up to 77 percent of vegetarians and 92 percent of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 11 percent of omnivores. (3, 4, 5)
Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. B12 deficiency can cause numerous symptoms, including:
- Fatigue
- Lethargy
- Weakness
- Memory loss
- Neurological and psychiatric problems
- Anemia
- And much more …
It’s a common myth among vegetarians and vegans that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:
- Seaweed
- Fermented soy
- Spirulina
- Brewer’s yeast
These plant foods don’t contain B12. They contain B12 analogs, called cobamides, that block the intake of—and increase the need for—true B12. (6) Researchers have identified purple laver nori (seaweed) as a plant source of bioavailable B12; however, it could contain high levels of cadmium and arsenic. (7, 8, 9, 10) More studies are needed, but there is a potentially serious problem with relying on purple laver nori for adequate B12.
If You’re Vegan, You Might Be Missing out on Calcium
You know that calcium is important for bone health, but did you know it’s essential for muscle and nerve function and that it’s involved in blood clotting? On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products). Vegans, however, are often deficient. (11, 12, 13)
Calcium bioavailability from plant foods is affected by their levels of oxalate and phytate, which are inhibitors of calcium absorption and thus decrease the amount of calcium the body can extract from plant foods. (10) So while leafy greens like spinach and kale have a relatively high calcium content, the calcium is not efficiently absorbed during digestion.
One study suggests that it would take 16 servings of spinach to get the same amount of absorbable calcium as an eight-ounce glass of milk. (14) That would be 33 cups of baby spinach or around five or six cups of cooked spinach. There are a few vegetables listed in this paper that have higher levels of bioavailable calcium, but it’s important to note that all of the vegetables tested required multiple servings to achieve the same amount of usable calcium as one single serving of milk, cheese, or yogurt.
This suggests that trying to meet your daily calcium needs from plant foods alone might not be a great strategy. For those who don’t tolerate dairy well, fish with edible bones like sardines are great sources of calcium on a Paleo diet.
You’re Also More Likely to Be Iron-Deficient on a Plant-Based Diet
Vegetarians and omnivores often have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. (15, 16) This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency.
For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40 percent of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance. (17) Among Australian men, iron intake among vegetarians and vegans was 29 to 49 percent higher than omnivores, but their serum ferritin concentrations were barely half that of omnivores. (18) Despite similar iron intakes, another study published this year showed vegans and female vegetarians having low ferritin levels. (19)
Why would this be? As with calcium, the bioavailability of the iron in plant foods (nonheme iron) is much lower than in animal foods (heme iron). Plant-based forms of iron are also inhibited by other commonly consumed substances, such as:
- Coffee
- Tea
- Dairy products
- Supplemental fiber
- Supplemental calcium
This explains why vegetarian diets have been shown to reduce nonheme iron absorption by 70 percent and total iron absorption by 85 percent. (20, 21)
Red Meat, Fish, and Poultry Are Your Best Sources for Zinc
Zinc is important for the immune system, cell growth, and wound healing. You won’t usually see overt zinc deficiency in Western vegetarians, but their intake often falls below recommendations, probably because red meat, poultry, and fish are the best sources.
This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35 percent compared with an omnivorous diet. (22) Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. (23) One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50 percent more zinc than omnivores for this reason. (24) A meta-analysis of 34 studies found that both zinc intakes and serum zinc concentrations were lower in vegetarians than non-vegetarians. (25)
You Might Be Missing out on the Benefits of Essential Fatty Acids
Plant foods do contain linoleic acid (omega-6) and alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, omega-3), both of which are considered essential fatty acids. In this context, an essential fatty acid is one that can’t be synthesized by the body and must be obtained in the diet. However, an increasing body of research has highlighted the benefits of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA. These fatty acids play a protective and therapeutic role in a wide range of diseases: (26, 27)
- Cancer
- Asthma
- Depression
- Alzheimer’s disease
- Cardiovascular disease
- ADHD
- Autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis
While it is possible for some ALA from plant foods to be converted into EPA and DHA, that conversion is poor in humans: between 5 and 10 percent for EPA and 2 and 5 percent for DHA. (28)
Although no official recommendation exists, the daily suggested intake of combined DHA and EPA is around 250 to 500 mg. In theory, this means vegans and vegetarians would need to consume between five and 12.5 grams of ALA per day to obtain 250 mg of DHA. In reality, vegetarians and vegans consume merely 0.97 g/day and 0.86 g/day of ALA, respectively, according to a study of over 14,000 Americans. (29)
Vegetarians have 30 percent lower levels of EPA and DHA than omnivores, while vegans have 50 percent lower EPA and nearly 60 percent lower DHA. (30, 31) Moreover, the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron, selenium, and pyridoxine—nutrients that vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of. (32, 33, 34, 35) Eating 12 to 16 ounces of cold-water fatty fish per week remains the best way to get adequate EPA and DHA. The fish will also provide bioavailable protein and selenium.
Vitamins A and D: What You’re Missing
Fat-soluble vitamins play numerous and critical roles in human health. Vitamin A promotes healthy immune function, fertility, eyesight, and skin. Vitamin D regulates calcium metabolism, regulates immune function, reduces inflammation, and protects against some forms of cancer.
These important fat-soluble vitamins are concentrated, and in some cases found almost exclusively, in animal foods like:
- Seafood
- Organ meats
- Eggs
- Dairy products
Some obscure species of mushrooms can provide large amounts of vitamin D, but these mushrooms are rarely consumed and often difficult to obtain. This explains why vitamin D levels are often low in vegetarians and even lower in vegans. (36, 37, 38, 39)
The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient. (40, 41) For example, a single serving of liver per week would meet the RDA of 3,000 IU. To get the same amount from plant foods, you’d have to eat two cups of carrots, one cup of sweet potatoes, or two cups of kale every day.
Moreover, traditional cultures consumed up to 10 times the current RDA for vitamin A. It would be nearly impossible to get this amount of vitamin A from plant foods without juicing or taking supplements. And if supplements aren’t consumed with a fatty meal, the actual absorption will be low. (42)
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Vegans and Vegetarians, You Could Be Missing These Key Nutrients
If you don’t eat meat or other animal products, you could also be missing out on:
- Choline
- Creatine
- Taurine
- Methionine
- Glycine
- Selenium
Choline
Vegetarian and vegan diets, along with the Standard American Diet, pose risks of choline deficiency. (43) Choline is required for:
- Healthy cell membrane function
- Methylation
- Cognitive development in children
It’s so important that the FDA recently set a daily recommended intake of 550 mg for men and 425 mg for women, which should increase to 450 mg during pregnancy and 550 mg during breastfeeding. Recent research suggests that only 8.5 percent of women meet the daily choline requirement. (44) With egg yolks and organ meats as the most potent sources of choline, it’s not surprising that even omnivores are not getting enough. This is another reason I encourage giving organ meat dishes another try.
Creatine
Creatine plasma and muscle levels are usually lower in vegetarians than in omnivores, as meat provides the richest source of creatine. (45) Creatine may play an important role in cognitive function. A randomized controlled trial found that six weeks of oral creatine supplementation significantly improved vegetarians’ performance on tests of fluid intelligence and working memory. The difference in scores between groups was enormous. (46)
Another study found that creatine supplementation in vegetarians improved memory, while having no effect on fluid intelligence or working memory in meat-eaters. (47) These results suggest that vegetarians’ baseline scores may have been impaired due to low creatine intake.
Taurine
Taurine has a central role as a neurotransmitter, promotes the development of the central nervous system, and upholds the structure of cell membranes. Although the body can synthesize small amounts of taurine, vegetarians and vegans often still have low plasma and urinary taurine levels because taurine is found primarily in animal products. (48, 49) Low plasma taurine in newborns is associated with lower scores on mental development and arithmetic tests at age seven, suggesting that dietary taurine aids in neural development. (50)
Methionine
Methionine is another amino acid that is restricted on a plant-based diet. Low methionine intake has been linked to longevity in scientific research. However, methionine is still an essential amino acid, and too little methionine may impair detoxification and reduce fertility. (51, 52) After being activated using ATP, methionine becomes the universal methyl donor.
On the flip side, too much methionine can also pose problems. After methyl donation, methionine becomes homocysteine and must be recycled back to methionine by B12, folate, or betaine (derived from choline). Because meat is high in methionine, diets heavy in muscle meats but low in connective tissues can result in increased homocysteine levels, a risk factor for CVD.
That said, studies have shown that vegetarians and vegans have significantly higher homocysteine levels on average than omnivores. (53) In one study, the average homocysteine level among vegetarians was 13.9 nmol/L and among vegans, 16.4 nmol/L, compared to 11.3 nmol/L for omnivores. (54) This puts most vegetarians and vegans in a range that carries significant risk of CVD. In fact, according to one study, the prevalence of hyperhomocysteinemia among vegetarians may actually be higher than that among non-vegetarians already diagnosed with heart disease. (55)
Glycine
Vegetarians and vegans don’t consume as much glycine as meat-eaters, as the richest sources are the “odd bits” of animal foods, like: (56)
- Skin
- Bones
- Collagen
- Gelatin
Glycine is one of the building blocks of collagen, found in our connective tissues. In addition to its structural role, glycine can also act as a neurotransmitter, plays a role in blood sugar regulation, and stimulates the production of glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. (57, 58, 59, 60)
Some Paleo dieters can be susceptible to low glycine intake, too, if they are eating tons of muscle meat and ignoring the “nose-to-tail” philosophy. Glycine helps balance out methionine levels, in part by acting as a buffer for excess methyl groups. Low choline and glycine intake, common in vegetarians and vegans, can further contribute to high homocysteine levels and increased risk of CVD. Eating bone broth regularly can help balance glycine/methionine levels.
Selenium
While a few studies show no difference in selenium status among diet types, most research shows lower intake and/or levels in vegetarians and vegans compared to omnivores, including one study that measured glutathione peroxidase, a selenium-dependent enzyme and an excellent marker of active selenium status. (61, 62, 63, 64) Selenium has a role in immune function, supports thyroid hormone synthesis, and protects the thyroid from excess iodine damage. (65, 66) Selenium also helps prevent mercury toxicity. (67)
Selenium deficiency is also common in those with digestive health issues like Crohn’s disease or celiac disease. (68, 69) The best sources of selenium include:
- Brazil nuts
- Crimini mushrooms
- Some sea foods
- Chicken
- Eggs
- Lamb
- Turkey
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Eating Animal Products Could Also Help Your Thyroid Health
Thyroid hormone synthesis requires iodine, a nutrient that can be lacking from omnivore and plant-based diets alike. Most iodine comes from the sea; the soil—and therefore vegetables grown in soil—usually contains very little. In a typical mixed diet, the highest sources of iodine are iodized salt and animal products like:
- Dairy products
- Eggs
- Seafood
Vegetarians and vegans are at risk for low iodine intake. (70)
In the Boston area, urinary iodine levels in vegans were barely half that of vegetarians, and vegans were at high risk of iodine deficiency. (71) Several studies of Scandinavian populations confirm that vegans finished last in iodine intake and/or urinary iodine levels. (72, 73, 74) To make matters worse, isoflavones found in soy products, which are sometimes consumed in large quantities in vegan and vegetarian diets, may exacerbate iodine deficiency and hypothyroidism. (75)
But even those following a Paleo template can be at risk for iodine deficiency if they are not regularly consuming seafood. (76) Sea vegetables, especially kelp, are the highest sources of iodine ounce for ounce.
Your Kids Need Nutrient-Dense Foods to Thrive
Because of the prevailing idea in our culture that vegetarian and vegan diets are healthy, more and more children are being raised from birth (and even from conception!) on meat-free diets. Both the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) and USDA have said that vegetarian and vegan diets are safe during pregnancy, but critical analyses by several researchers have questioned whether these recommendations are based on sufficient evidence. One review remarked that “the evidence on vegan–vegetarian diets in pregnancy is heterogeneous and scant,” suggesting that more research is needed to answer the question of whether they are, in fact, safe during pregnancy. (77)
Vegetarian and vegan diets for children carry significant risks of nutrient deficiencies that can have dire health consequences. (78, 79, 80)
Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient years after adding at least some animal products to their diet. One study found an association between B12 status and measures of intelligence and memory, with formerly vegan kids scoring lower than omnivorous kids. (81) Devastating case studies have reported B12 deficiency in young vegan children that have led to neurological damage and developmental delays. (82, 83)
Low nutrient intake extends beyond vitamin B12. Other case studies have attributed hypothyroidism in young children to a maternal and/or childhood vegan diet. (84, 85) Compared to omnivores, breast milk from vegan mothers had lower levels of DHA and EPA, which are vital for brain development, especially in the first year of life, when a baby’s brain literally doubles in size. (83) In short, just like adults, children on vegetarian and vegan diets often have lower intakes of iron, iodine, vitamin A, zinc, and more.
Your Best Choice for Optimal Nutrition Isn’t a Vegetarian or Vegan Diet, but a Paleo Template
With care and attention, I think it’s possible to meet most of your nutrient needs with a vegetarian diet that includes liberal amounts of pasture-raised, full-fat dairy and eggs, with one exception: EPA and DHA. These long-chain omega fats are found exclusively in marine algae and fish and shellfish, so the only way to get them on a vegetarian diet would be to take a microalgae supplement or bend the rules and take fish oil or cod liver oil as a supplement. (86) Still, while it may be possible to obtain adequate nutrition on a vegetarian diet, it is not optimal—as the research above indicates.
I don’t think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs on a vegan diet without supplements—and quite a few of them. Vegan diets are low in:
- B12
- Bioavailable iron and zinc
- Choline
- Vitamins A and D
- Calcium
- EPA and DHA
It’s worth pointing out that there are genetic differences that affect the conversion of certain nutrient precursors (like beta-carotene and alpha-linolenic acid) into the active forms of those nutrients (like retinol and EPA and DHA, respectively), and these differences may affect how long someone will be able to follow a vegetarian or vegan diet before they develop nutrient deficiencies. This explains why some people seem to do well for years on these diets, while others develop problems very quickly.
Is It Time to Rethink Your Diet?
From an evolutionary perspective, is difficult to justify a diet with low levels of several nutrients critical to human function. While it may be possible to address these shortcomings through targeted supplementation (an issue that is still debated), it makes far more sense to meet your nutritional needs from food.
This is especially important for children, who are still developing and are even more sensitive to suboptimal intake of the nutrients discussed in this article. Like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. Unfortunately, many are not aware of the potential for nutrient deficiencies posed by their dietary choices.
I hope this article can serve as a resource for anyone on a plant-based diet, whether they choose to start eating meat (or animal products, in the case of vegans) again or not.
For the 2nd night I am not starving and trolling my refrigerator and cupboard looking for a healthy snack to gnaw on. I have been mostly vegan these past five years and as a health food foodie, I ate a very nutritious diet with whole grains, beans, tofu, lots of vegetables and fruit. Initially, I felt great but this past year I have been starved and was not satisfied with my meals. I continued to be hungry and constantly thought about food. My homemade nut butters were my elixir and I would consume copious amounts of it in an attempt to satisfy my hunger. I recently learned the results of my yearly blood work and was shocked to see it was flagged for being too low in certain areas. My iron, protein, B-12, Vitamin D and white blood count were flagged by the lab as being below the normal levels. My physician recommended a multi-vitamin, which I just started taking. I ate poultry and salmon these past two days, along with an egg and plain Greek yogurt for breakfast. For the first time, I am not starving. I have not snacked between meals. I purchased my meat at a health food cooperative where it is either wild caught or humanely raised without antibiotics. I continue to consume my whole grains, beans, lots of vegetables and fruit. I know other vegetarians who have followed this vegan diet their entire adult life without any problems. I myself, do battle Chron’s disease and take medication to treat it. Maybe this is why the vegan diet is no longer helping me. I do not judge other people’s choice of diet, but I just want to be healthy and not thinking about food continuously. I found this website on Google in an effort to see if there are others like me. Thank you for your time.
My friend is a vegan nutritionist and said in the case of chrons disease she would likely recommend eating some animal products.
As a chrons colon cancer patient I beg to differ with that opinion. Animals being consumed for food and animal based products are detrimental to the colon of a chrons patient. I suggest more research should be done on her behalf before giving out bad advice.
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I am 65, garden everyday, (lots of digging, cycle, climb trees, coppicing, logging and axing in winter, sailing in summer, climb mountains, walk miles etc etc etc.
I haven’t eaten meat or fish for 60 years. The only dairy I consume, 2 eggs a day.
As for studies by agro-industries regarding protein requirements, they are the same kind of profit driven myths perpetrated by other corporations, like the salt institute.
I am living proof that a vegetarian diet, for someone with an uncompromised metabolism, is absolutely fine.
Henry, you are not proof of anything in regard to any other human other than yourself. You seem confused about how science works. Your case is what medical researchers would call “anecdotal” — a subjective self-assessment of one person’s (the subject’s) health and the impact of his diet thereon. You offer no indication of your credentials to make the assessment, nor any quantitative evidence to support its accuracy. You offer no data, nor even any hypothesis, that would lead one to believe that your regimen would work for any other adult male whose physical characteristics match your own, much less any that differ from you; and even less yet that it might apply to women or children. Think about it this way: the causal link between smoking and lung disease is well established. Yet, we all know someone that will tell you that his grandfather was a heavy smoker, was never sick, and died peacefully in his sleep after his 103rd birthday. Amongst the many other flaws in your reasoning, your sample size is too small and too prone to subjective bias.
Your rhetoric and castigation’s of complete denial of individual facts, regardless of your inability to prove otherwise, leads me to scientifically believe that you are in denial of anyone’s experience, other than from the perspective of your own warped agenda.
Stating I am not proof of anything, shows that you are unable to comprehend a truth, due to your massive prejudices.
My “rhetoric”?? “Scientifically believe”??? I am not denying your individual experience at all, as you can clearly see from my comment, despite the fact that you provide no data to support your claims. I am telling you that your experience cannot be be generalized to all humans. And that’s a fact, Jack. As I noted, again in clear terms, one individual’s experience may differ greatly from the general pattern. That’s why science-based studies use a reasonably large sample size. Sample size does, btw, affect the reliability of one’s conclusions. Try reading a few peer-reviewed, independent studies on human nutrition and it will become clearer.
Try listening to people with 60 years of experience! 60 years of plant based food, that’s a fact Jill. Scientists are the kind of people who gave us the metabolic toxin that is hydrogenated fats! So much for your highly vaulted and totally suspect view of science.
Try reading a few peer-reviewed, independent studies on human nutrition and it might become clearer to you, or not.
My dear Henry, why do I need to listen to your 60 years’ experience? I’ve got a good 10 years on you. So, science gave us hydrogenated fats. They also gave us the atom bomb, toxic chemicals, and automatic weapons. Oooo! Science bad! Ignore science! Listen to internet poster claiming to be healthy 65-year old vegetarian man. But who could be bacon-addicted 20-something posting from his parents’ basement — how would we know? Sorry, I didn’t realize I was conversing with an anti-science Luddite. I erroneously assumed all the commenters here read Chris’ blog because it IS science-oriented.
My dear annielaurie:
You too could be a spotty adolescent posting from her parent’s basement pretending to herself that she isn’t a Luddite and supposedly her 70 years is an experience worth commenting on.
Oooo! Science all good! Ignore any science that is proved to be rubbish.
Listen to scientific myopic internet poster claiming that science is the only way you decide, despite 60 years of experience.
I din’t realise I was dealing with someone so narrow minded, so i will leave you with your erroneous assumptions.
Henry, try making an original comment. Merely parroting back anything I say is not an argument. On most blogs, my picture appears, and anyone can check me out on Facebook. I don’t hide my identity. You also have a real reading comprehension problem, don’t you? I never said science is all good. Science is neutral. It’s how we use it that determines whether it works for good or not. But science is also objective and replicable. It’s not clear whether your alleged success with vegetarianism is. I am not advocating that folks follow my example, but rather, that they investigate what works best for themselves as individuals, using a science-based, not an anecdotal, approach.
annie try making some original comments instead of crap like:
” Your alleged success with vegetarianism”
Your sanctimonious ramblings, accusations and pious sniping suggest you are becoming a cranky old witch.
My approach to food isn’t anecdotal, neither is my experience, but you are too myopic to recognise, anything that doesn’t suit your warped scientific dictat..
Henry, “your” approach and “your”experience ARE anecdotal, by definition. Don’t you understand what the term “anecdotal” means in the context of a scientific study? Further, by your own admission, you are NOT a vegan (also by definition), as you eat eggs. You are an ovo-vegetarian. It’s very difficult to have a rational discussion with someone that wants to play the Alice-in-Wonderland Queen when it comes to words whose definitions are established.
Henry , I can’t believe you and laurieanne are in a flame war; that’s so 1990s.
Me anyone not eating the Standard American Diet of overly processed foods has got to live longer than anyone eating half the garbage they advertise on billboards, radio, tv, and the internet. Vegan’s Vegetarians, Omnivores, and Carnivores are healthier if they don’t eat things that come in a package.
Whole Grains, Once Upon a Time might have been healthy to eat before they started using Potassium or Calcium Bromide to oxidize them so that they’d raise better but if you care for your health don’t eat even whole wheat unless you grow it yourself and if you oxidize it for better raising use Potassium Iodide like they used to back in the early 1960s. Oh and our government doesn’t make them put that on the lable but if your eyes burn when your bread is in the over it is a bromide in your flour doing it.
I can’t walk by a bakery without that stuff assaulting my eyes. Perhaps if you’re only eating the grain in tabouli it won’t have any bromide in it. Also you may be one of the lucky people who live in the west and have enough natural minerals in your water to counteract all the poisons in our foods. Or you live where the local government doesn’t make a chemical war against it’s citizens. Lucky You. Please stop your fighting you’re both right for yourselves.
Wow! And I can’t believe the level of reading comprehension here — that’s so 1950s. The name is AnnieLaurie, not laurianne. And Henry and I are not “flaming”. We are representing the timeless antagonism between science and mythmaking. You know, you actually can get grain products that are free of added bromine compounds. You can even get grains that are the old, pre-Borlaug strains.
Henry. My dad is a 65 year old who has smoked cigarettes since he was 10 , An ex heavy drinker and eats meat daily, He eats it in moderation and doesn’t have junk food (maybe the old piece of chocolate here and there). He’s also quiet thin with a beer gut. I don’t see many 65 year old men go out and cut firewood and do the stuff like he does, He uses a chainsaw to only fall and cut the tree into logs according to the size of his fireplace, He climbs up 6-8 foot embankments to get to the trees. He chops all the hardwood with an axe, None of this soft wood like pine. What can take me 3 swings to split 1 log in half he can do in 1 swing (I’m a 29 year old male eating the same diet as him, But I’m an IT tech, Not an lumber jack. lol). He also gets under the car and does what needs to be done as well as get out and cut the grass on his hilly property. Though a workplace accident he had 15 years ago that nearly killed him and slowed him down with knee and back troubles, He still keeps up with guys half his age until his knee starts collapsing. You and my dad seem to be blessed with great genetics and resilient bodies. I believe my dad over some random on the internet, Because Ive seen the living proof for myself. My dad’s friend is the same. Meat and animal products aren’t bad for us in the slightest. Its all about moderation, portions, Variety, Balance and regular exercise as well as staying away from or minimizing fast and processed foods that are loaded with chemicals, Bad fats and artificial crap. Its nice to hear that your diet seems to be working for you, But without having blood works taken. You have no idea.
I think I’d pick Henry here… The outliers in this country (e.g., Adventists) get to live into their late 90s and beyond, perhaps aided by an outlier diet (i.e., non-SAD, very low or no meat, no dairy)
@annielaurie
I’ve worked in the field of nutrition research for awhile and can tell you that much of the incessant focus on saying “you need proof, there’s no data, there’s no science supporting you” tends to come from scientists who are industry paid. I actually used to be this way because I was trained by industry funded scientists. I’ve seen first hand how actually “credible” many of these scientists are. A friend of mine was conducting research on egg consumption reducing calorie intake later in the day – the effect sizes were ridiculously small and reduced calorie intake by about 30-40 calories at best, yet the egg board funded this research and took the results to make the conclusion that eggs make you eat less and stay full longer…uh huh. A lab I have worked for did research for a weight loss shake company and we found that a reduced calorie solid diet cured cravings and hunger better than the shakes, but the shake company made it seem as though their product was better than the whole food diet. The current state of nutritional science is fake arguments made from unsound research. The university I work for does plenty of research on polyunsaturated oils and much of this research is focused on proving that they are good for you (like corn, soy, cottonseed, canola, safflower, etc.) yet are funded by those oil manufacturers. Much of the research on meat consumption is funded by various agricultural industries and their affiliates and the actual results are taken out of context and their questionable results are generalized to the public. Many scientists are paid off by companies specifically to go around saying that sugar isn’t bad for you because “there’s no evidence,” that meat isn’t bad for you “because there’s no evidence,” that processed food isn’t bad for you “because there’s no evidence.” I’ve experienced these people first hand because I’ve worked for one! Nutritional research is perverted by industry money the same way that politics are perverted by industry money. It isn’t the case for all scientists in the field of nutrition, but a good majority are putting money, grants, and their careers ahead of sound science. They perpetuate bad science while attacking other bad (or even good) science because they are getting paid off. But of course, I don’t have data to support my argument and it’s just anecdotal, despite the fact that revealing the university or specific scientists could land me in a heap of trouble. It’s a lot worse than you really think it is, and this is coming from an actual nutrition researcher. Many of my colleagues and previous professors or research partners are publishing dirty research or research that is misinterpreted even by other scientists while trying to derail all of the independently funded research which is often contrary to the industry funded research. I’ve had many colleagues complain about how dirty science in the field of nutrition has become. It may help if you went to get some firsthand experience on the subject matter before attacking points of view and research that isn’t dirtied by interest funding. The conflict of interest statements that researchers give are a load of crap. I’ve had to sign them before when I knew they weren’t true for fear of losing my job and funding. Now I realize that getting the truth out is more important than a career in a dirty field. You sir, are the one who should educate himself and get some firsthand experience in what you claim to know so much about.
… pssst … eggs are not dairy, Henry (I hope you don’t consider yourself a vegan) … as for anecdotal evidence, NOT eating food my food eats (mostly including grains and other refined carbs, which includes high-carb/low fibre plant foot/vegetables) has got my T2 Diabetes reversed … neener, neener … LCHF is the way for me! 😉
Be careful of consuming too much fat. Study below shows that high levels of fat in the body causes insulin resistance.
“Insulin resistance (IR) is a common feature of the metabolic syndrome and an important factor in the cause of type 2 diabetes. There is abundant evidence that increased levels of plasma lipids, predominantly free fatty acids (FFAs) and triglycerides, are causally involved in IR.”
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/52/1/138.full
“[L]owering of elevated plasma [free fatty acid] levels can reduce insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia and improve oral glucose tolerance in lean and obese nondiabetic subjects and in obese patients with type 2 diabetes…”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/0010480616
“In healthy adolescents, an acute elevation in plasma [free fatty acid] with I[intralipid] infusion is accompanied by significant increases in [intramyocellular lipid content] and reductions in insulin sensitivity with no race differential.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23122836
Study below is more unclear about the effect of fat on insulin resistance.
“Studies in genetic and dietary obese animal models, genetically modified animals and humans with obesity or type 2 diabetes suggest plausible mechanisms for effects of fatty acids, lipid metabolites, inflammatory pathways and mitochondrial dysfunction on insulin action in muscle. Many of these mechanisms, however, have been demonstrated in situations in which lipid accumulation (obesity) already exists. Whether the initial events leading to muscle insulin resistance are direct effects of fatty acids in muscle or are secondary to lipid accumulation in adipose tissue or liver remains to be clarified.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460913
ooooh Eggs have always been classed as dairy even though we all know that they have not been laid by bovines.
Don’t know how it started but have always been classed as dairy just as pork has been classed as white meat.
Henry, that proves nothing. Do you think that all omnivores are in bad health by 65?
Save your breath with Henry. He doesn’t understand the meaning of anecdotal claims, he thinks science is BAD, and he isn’t a vegan anyway. He eats eggs.
It might not prove anything to you as you were not part of the experiment, but 60 years proved something to me.
Yo too are obviously suffering from scientific myopia
You can join annie on your scientific soap boxes.
Ah, Henry, there you go again, misrepresenting what you said. In your first comment posted to this piece you said, “I am living proof that a vegetarian diet, for someone with an uncompromised metabolism, is absolutely fine.” Now, that is both advice to all with normal metabolisms that your dietary style will work for them (which you accused me of being untruthful about), AND a claim — “proof” — that your experience can be generalized to all such persons (which you snarked to Mike that you did not do). As for scientific soapboxes, Mike deserves his very own scientific soapbox, as do all the commenters that want to use science, not hearsay, to learn what dietary approach is most beneficial for them. I would not presume to suggest any of them get on my scientific soapbox — it might not fit their needs.
To add to your comment, my mother tried a vegetarian diet. Not even full vegan diet, still nearly got hospitalized for malnutrition. What works for one doesn’t work for all, it’s very much reliant on the individuals body. That’s something Henry seems to not comprehend, along with many (not all) vegetarians and especially vegans. One person can get by on it their whole life, someone else may need supplements (which is what the article said, something else Henry failed to grasp). But he’s more experienced than dietary specialists, I suppose…
3:08AM. Really? That explains quite a bit actually…
Some people can engage in a logical, science-based discussion at 3 a.m., or any other hour. Others find it impossible to to do so at 2 p.m., or any other time of day.
Vegan diets cleanse, then when the cleansing is over, time to find a diet that works. However, the guy who claims vegan’s the way to go, T. Colin Campbell, is living proof vegan diets are not the way to go. Look at him and the China Study was proven to be pure nonsense and nothing more than someone trying to sell us on veganism. Any diet that is nutrient deficient is questionable, no, it’s harmful. Going across the ocean without vitamin C proved that, plus a few other disorders when deficiencies ruin us or kill us, but vegans believe they are pure, right, and one of God’s Chosen people. It’s irrational. illogical and as the brain shrinks due to low protein, nutrient deficiencies, sad. It was started by those who had no choice, no meat, fish and insects somehow weren’t the most appealing protein choice, co, fruits, or whatever was an easy choice. This guy eats two eggs and gets some protein from produce, for at least 20 grams. I’m 84, eat 55 grams of protein, hike, have a girl friend, do interval training, lift weights but not that often, walk over 7000 steps per day, sleep soundly, curl 40 pounds with one arm, do 40 pushups every day, etc., so what does that make me? It’s not luck, it’s something I work at. I eat organic, grass-fed meat, wild salmon, raw butter, ghee, coconut oil, veggies and hardly any fruit and only in season, pure water, no dairy but when I did dairy it was from pastured cows, and raw. I miss the milk, but it’s for babies not adults, and certainly not cow milk, but the human female of our species. I don’t drink, use drugs, smoke pot or anything else, and I have my own business which is quite physical. Vegan diets will eventually destroy those who persist on such nonsense, and it is nonsense. We didn’t get to where we are on vegan diets, our brains grew because of meat, red, pink or otherwise. That, girls and boys, it reality. Will this convince vegans to go sane? No.
Let’s you and Henry fight! Seriously, what you say about evolutionary eating makes sense from a scientific point of view. I am sure, because you don’t buy into the vegan myths, that you realize that works for you specifically might not work for everyone. But the evolution of homo sapiens shows that some animal protein — and there are myriad types — works for everyone. I am sure there are millions of healthy, active octogenarian omnivores (and septuagenarian “youngsters” like me) that are basing their diets on evolutionary (scientific) principles. OTOH, veganism is a relatively recent dietary regime in terms of human evolution.
“Vegan diets will eventually destroy those who persist on such nonsense, and it is nonsense.”
“Any diet that is nutrient deficient is questionable, no, it’s harmful.”
Being on a vegan diet will not necessarily make you nutrient deficient. Even if there is a correlation between being vegan and deficiency in a particular nutrient, we need to remember that correlation does not imply causation. The vegan diet does not cause any particular nutritional deficiency.
“It’s irrational. illogical and as the brain shrinks due to low protein, nutrient deficiencies, sad.”
Once again, there is no evidence that a vegan diet will cause a protein deficiency. In fact, protein requirement is 42 grams per day. The chart below from a study shows that vegans, vegetarians, meat eaters, etc all consume more than 60 grams of protein per day.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4081456/figure/F1/
That requirement is dependant on a person’s weight, bmi, and activity level, along with whether they’re trying to drop, gain, or maintain weight, especially muscle mass. For a lot of body builders, eating 1g protein per pound of lean body weight is pretty common, where more sedentary lifestyles require closer to the number you posted. There is so “one size fits all” diet. What is dropping fat and building muscle for me, might make, say, a high school cheerleader that weighs 110lbs soaking wet, get fat.
I don’t usually respond to such insulting drivel but you ask people to look at me as if there is something wrong. I am one month away from 82, I take no drugs, I can easily run 3-5 miles a day and I am as fit as I have ever been. My wife of 75 also is very healthy and takes no drugs. Also, you will find no advocacy of veganism or vegetarianism in The China Study–evidence shows that their dietary fat content is not very different from the standard American diet. Neither diet can do what a whole food plant based diet can do–reverse (i.e., cure) heart disease, type 2 diabetes, etc.) and make superior athletes. It was never my intent to do research to prove the health value of these diets–indeed, it was the opposite. But after continually getting over four decades of very competitive, professionally approved research money from taxpayers like you, after publishing over 300 professionally (peer) reviewed research studies and, after giving over 600 lectures (all invited and mostly to medical schools or their conferences), I know, in spades, that a whole food plant based diet creates health far better than any other dietary version for the vast majority of people. I wish you the best of luck in your continued health.
China Study debunked, exposed as fraudulent pseudo-science: https://chriskresser.com/rest-in-peace-china-study/
Henry you are right about the proteins. Vested interests for profit have caused serious health consequences for humans by deceitful advertising promoting a myth.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/protein.htm
False. Vegans get all the nutrients they need if they know where to look. http://www.chooseveg.com
Thanks Chris for your balanced and thoughtful approach. I have had both vegetarian and Paleo clients come to me and I respect their individual food philosophy. The reason some (not all) vegetarian or vegan clients come to me for nutritional help is that they didn’t know the difference in nutrients between an animal and plant-based diet and what sources of protein have complete amino acids or how to make it work. Even vegan nutritionists think it’s important to consult with them to make sure people know what the best sources of proteins, healthy fats, and carbs are and how to combine or supplement food as needed.
I am not really interested in spending my time reading these comments. Can you please unsubscribe me. I have tried already but you make it very difficult hence i am still getting emails
Just outof curiosity are you vegan or vegetarian?
I consume around 85% of my calories eating whole plant-based foods. Less than 5% of my daily calories are from animal protein and other than vegetables the fat comes from nuts/seeds and avocado…no added oils. Should be obvious that I do not fry anything, no dairy and two eggs every other week.
I left weights three times a week and ride a stationary bike six times a week. I am a Taekwondo instructor about six times a week for 1.5 hours daily.
I will be 75 years old soon and not on any prescriptions, 5′ 10.5″ and weigh 154 pounds.
It is not a myth or invalid studies that indicate a greater percentage of people lived to be over 100 years old following their traditional diet and life-style in Okinawa.
You would be much wiser to learn about that traditional diet consuming over 85% of calories from whole plant-based foods, loads of Japanese yams, some soy, eggs and pork but not the amount of animal products near the typical Western Diet.
Except for one’s special physical defects no book is going to convince that whole grains are not healthy for the majority of people because too many past cultures have done much better than we do on them.
B12 actually comes from the soil and many years ago consumers of vegetables were getting their B12 from the soil remaining on the vegetables. There are greens and legumes that provide adequate levels of zinc,iron and calcium if one is not over-consuming animal products.
No long-living culture has been vegan that we know of but that does not justify consuming large amounts of animal protein or some containing toxins.
Every time I hear a vegan claim how veganism is so wonderful because the people in Okinawa live to be over a hundred, I have to laugh. Because do you know what the defining element of the Okinawan cuisine is? MEAT!!!
I quiote from the wikipedia page on ‘Okinawan cuisine’:
“Another characteristic of Okinawan cuisine is its reliance on meat. The main protein sources of Okinawan cuisine are derived from livestock, specifically pigs. Buddhism spread less widely in Okinawa, and the islands were less influenced by the non-meat eating practices of the Tokugawa shogunate. Okinawan has had a culture of using livestock since the Edo era. An Okinawan saying states that Okinawan cuisine “begins with pig and ends with pig” and “every part of a pig can be eaten except its hooves and its oink.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawan_cuisine
The truth about the traditional Okinawan diet that resulted in so many living to be over 100 is public information. Feel free to eat all the meat you like and to believe whatever you like…I really do not care except that people like you do more to create global warming than my car, increase my medical insurance and income taxes to pay for all you sick ones…
You can also spike your soda with the thought that I never suggested the best diet is vegan…
In the 1930s onwards people were taught they would die without meat and there are people to this day who still believe this even though there are millions of Indians who have never tasted meat and are vegan and live to a rip old age. The meat industry is very powerful. The highest most bio available protein food on the planet are algae’s. The dairy industry is also mighty powerful and tells us to consume their product for strong bones because it gives us calcium. When the dairy industry found that there was calcium in their product they jumped all over this to get people to buy more dairy even though the amount of calcium in their product is vastly overwelmed by the amount of calcium that is pulled out of your bones in order to absorb it causing osteoperosis. Everything is about money and they spin any kind of lie to get you to consume their products. There is no money in getting people to eat more vegetables. Spinach has the highest calcium content of any vegetable and despite the oxolates, which reduce its absorption of calcium,you still get plenty from spinach.
All living things have been designed with the equipment it needs to be able to accumulate and assimilate everything it needs to be healthy so when i have any doubts about information i look to nature because it always gets things right. Why are the vegetarian vegan mammals like the elephant life span 50 years and the hippopatamus 40-50 years living longer and are also stronger compared to the big cats who are lucky if they live 8 years and its not just because of their violent lifestyle because in captivity they struggle to live longer than 30 years. For every study that says meat eaters and vegetarians have the same life span there are loads more that say you live longer on a plant based diet. Example the china study. Incidentally none of the research that promotes meat eating never says that meat eating compared to being a vegetarian or vegan will make you live longer but the vegans vegetarians are saying that they live longer not just equal to carnivors or omnivors. You might think animal foods are nutrient dense but they are not bio available because people normally cook them which denatures the protein and so the protein is not as bio available and even if you eat it raw (which you should be able to easily do if we were designed to chase our food and bring it down and devour it then and there) our digestive system is not designed to eat that stuff hence why most carnivors have 12lbs of meat permanently rotting away in the guts and that meat stays there for years.
There are 3 nutrients that are difficult to get if you are a vegan. One of them is vitamin D sorry hormone D which is deficient in the population as a whole whether you are a cornivor or not. Zinc is not easy to get as a vegan. Fat soluble vitamins is not a problem because there is plenty of fat in vetatables that is where vegatable oil comes from. The best form of EPA or DHA which is omega 3 is not from fish. You need to go to the source. Where do fish get their omega 3 from the algaes. So you want the algaes. The reason omega 3 is more important to concentrate on to make sure you get enough is because you need omega 6 and 3 in equal quantities because omega 6 is inflammatory and omega 3 is anti inflammatory so they balance each other out. In the standard diet we have way too much omega 6.
Calcium is not a problem when you eat your leafy greens despite the oxolates. Iron can be a problem if you have too much or too little and you get that from your raw leafy vegetables. The fat soluble vitamins , A D K and E can be absorbed easily when you don’t have a problem digesting fat which you get copious amounts from your vegetables. Remember vegetable oil is from vegetables. Hope you find this helpful
But how did we ever get around to inventing the wheel and building empires if we were plucking plants all day long?
Seriously? The world wide health organization finally clasified all processed meat as a class 1 carcinogen and all other meat as class 2(likely carcinogenic to humans). That is the result of the largest study ever done on meat and is unbias, with scientists from over 20 countries. Look this up.
Bob, please take your own advice and “look this up”. You have misrepresented what the WHO report said. Gross misrepresentation and oversimplification does a disservice not only to the readers of this blog, but also to the effort that IARC-WHO put into this work. You might start with their definition of “meat”, then enlighten yourself on the classification system (there is no “Class 2”), and finally read their “Q&A on the carcinogenicity of the consumption of red meat and processed meat” at http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
Wait another fifty to one hundred years for more complete nutritional studies or look at the five Blue Zones where a much larger percent lived disease free and to over 100 years old.
All the Blue Zones consumed over 80% of daily calories from whole plant-based foods. Consumed less than 10% of calories from animal protein, little or no dairy and a significant portion of the whole plant-based foods were either yams or whole grains in addition to vegetables and fruits.
You can blah blah all day about fad diets like the Paleo, low-fat, low-carb etc etc or you can get healthy fats from nuts/seeds and avocado, small amount of meat plus the 10% that vegetables average.
Pure unadulterated b.s., Bob … basically their data was GROSSLY misinterpreted by the press — the difference in overall mortality was 18% … given that a diet of processed meat or red meat was about 4% probability to lead to cancer, that brings the danger to … wait for it … 6%. The result: uber-alarmist vegan propaganda. q.e.d.
Do you think it is easier to catch animals or fish, clean them and cook over a wood fire?
“But how did we ever get around to inventing the wheel and building empires if we were plucking plants all day long?”
Cooking food greatly enhanced its nutritional profile, not just cooking animals but also plants.
thanks
Comparing the lifespans of different types of animals and concluding their longevity is based on diet is pure BS and demonstrates a woeful lack of knowledge of zoology (both its basic principles and the diversity of creatures it studies). How about killer whales that eat meat exclusively and have a lifespan at least equal to that of elephants? Or bowhead whales with an omnivorous diet of plankton and various crustaceans and a lifespan of 200 years? Comparing animal lifespans as a guide for what humans should eat is a fool’s errand at best.
You know we are factually omnivores, right? It’s a scientific fact that our bodies require an omnivore diet, not an herbivorous diet. Veganism is pseudo-science.
Chris,
While this article is going on 2 years old, perhaps it’s time to consider updating and re-emphasizing certain points, in view of the IARC announcement today listing red meat (all mammal muscle meat) as a class 2A human carcinogen. While the Q&A from the actual IARC monograph is far more nuanced, headlines are screaming that red meat will kill us. Can you please put his all in perspective?
Hi. I am not replying specifically to you but my phone won’t let me just reply.
How do I get off this list.
It is tiresome and my life is too busy for Internet talking.
Thanks
There’s is another article about the IARC finding that unprocessed meat causes cancer and red meat may cause cancer.
This article is about whether the vegan or vegetarian diet is healthy.
This study was interesting and informational: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/633S.full Bioavailability of iron, zinc, and other trace minerals from vegetarian diets
I’ve been eating a well balance diet of veggies,dairy,fruit,meat,carbs. I’m extremely healthy with healthy hair and nails and flawless clear skin. Six months on a vegetarian diet my hair become dry and brittle, I got horrible break outs, dry skin,brittle and soft nails,all ways hungry,light headed,so happy I add meat back to my diet.
You dont know how to eat vegetarian, you need to research and apply the research to your diet. Not eating meat is not how you get healthy…
Welcome to the 21st century, where people have to do “research” to figure out what to eat!
I know! We were taught all these misconception on why to depend on meat and dairy, that we never cared to learn about how to eat in alternative ways. It’s not right or fair! It’ good to have alternatives.
Rule #1: question ALL authority (especially your national “medical, dietary and nutritional self-anointed experts”.
Rule # 2: read the research carefully for misrepresented conclusions (like the recent “red/processed mead is bad for you bullshit from the U.N.) … have a good look at the math AND the declared conflicts; if NO conflicts are declared, GOOGLE the authors to fine potential conflicts.
Clearly you’re not eating enough calories.
Funniest is, some people trying to make their dogs, Vegan…
Even worse, their cats, who are obligate carnivores. Even the vegetarian veterinarian Karen Becker, who publishes a pet-care blog, warns people NOT to feed their dogs and cats a vegetarian diet.
What is so funny about it?
Agreed. I call it animal abuse.
Alright so let me get this straight. There are millions of animals every day getting artificially inseminate against their will, mothers having their newborn babies taken away, chickens having their beaks broken off, animals have their testicales ripped out while they are conscious, hundreds of animals being hung from their feet while they are beheaded every second (and this list goes on) but the tragedy in this situation is people feeding their dogs vegetables. Unbelievable.
There are more than just single tragedies that people can care about… One tragedy does not negate another.
By restricting ourselves from the food we evolved on, we will be reducing the capabilities of our body. We know that we process oxygen from the air we breathe. Restriction should be due to scientific, moral or legal compulsions and not to make it ‘easier’ for the human body.
Interesting…According to this, I should be deficient in B12, Iron, Calcium, Zinc etc. etc. But I got my bloodwork back yesterday and except for slightly low B12 (WHICH IS OK, ESPECIALLY AMONG VEGANS), everything is exactly where it should be. It’s almost like you can get everything you need to be healthy from plants…someone should look into that. Oh wait.
This is a terrible article.
Readers: I suggest you actually click on the links to the studies (found at the end of sentences). Read them for yourself, and then form your conclusions.
I completely agree, Peter!
In response to the Conclusion, in which he writes, “I think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs with a vegetarian diet that includes liberal amounts of pasture-raised, full-fat dairy and eggs, with one exception: EPA and DHA.”
My husband is from India and most of them live their entire lives, not eating ANY meat (including eggs), while many are also vegan (or mostly vegan). They also do not need a doctor to write prescriptions, for them to get medicine; they just go to the pharmacist and ask for the drug (or explain their symptoms to him and he tells them what drug they need). This shows that they do NOT have a culture addicted to prescription drugs (like the U.S.), suggesting that, on average they have less health problems (and use food as medicine, such as turmeric for inflammation). Given this information, how do you explain their thriving culture and lack for medical intervention?
I’m not sure India is the best example for healthy lifestyle.
For an instance take a look at their life expectancy – 66 years (below world average). Out of 194 countries they are 139th. In short their lack of medical intervention seems to cause more problems than it solves.
Please note in India they also get protein from the bugs that got into their food. Vegans from India sometimes had trouble when they moved to England according to a study
Nicole, I can’t figure out if that’s a serious comment or if you’re just trolling, what a ridiculous thing to say!
Why is that ridiculous? It is true. You realize your comment is not only offensive to me, but all people who have experienced true to what I stated which you state is ridiculous.
Sorry but these Indians are not strictly vegetarian. They will still eat their animal food in the form of insects especially when land animals and sea animals were scarce. http://www.westonaprice.org/uncategorized/weston-price-looked-for-vegans-but-found-only-cannibals/
This is simply not true. Less than 1% in India are vegan (mostly expats.) and only 31% are vegetarian. 61% of adult women have iron deficiency anemia and India now has the highest type 2 diabetes rate in the world.
Yes, the westernization (increased consumption of meat and processed food) has not surprisingly caused an increase in “diseases of affluence” in that country.
I love how this people write articles like this and pretend to sound smart…
Those nutrients that you’ve listed.. you can find them on plants.. as a Vegan, you just have to know to replace animal products for nuts, grains, fruits, vegetables and everything else… EVERYTHING IS IN PLANTS….
And the worse thing is that you actually convince people that veganism is a bad idea, now let me tell you…
There are *MILLIONS* of animals dying every single year due to high human demand of animal meat and products.
Animals are being abused and robbed of their right to live just like us, and people are dying from high cholesterol, heart deceases, and other crap that you acquire by consuming large quantities of animal products.
Open your eyes and seriously stop spreading lies about the most healthy and honest way of living.
Sincerely,
A pissed off vegan bodybuilder.
Vegan body builder? Are you the guy in the Mr Muscle ad?!!!
Sorry but these Indians are not strictly vegetarian. They will still eat their animal food in the form of insects especially when land animals and sea animals were scarce. http://www.westonaprice.org/uncategorized/weston-price-looked-for-vegans-but-found-only-cannibals/
1. You cant bodybuild on vegan diet
2.food from animal source makes the most of a humans diet and it will always be like that
living on rice and beans sounds like abusing your body,not bodybuilding. even if you want to be a rhino and eat large amount of plants. stop presenting yourself like that.
Of course you can, silly. Google “vegan bodybuilders” and have a look for yourself. And it’s not just about rice and beans, though those are staples of the most healthful diets on earth (the diets of the Blue Zones). Add in nuts and seeds for healthy fats and extra protein. Not to mention avocado and leafy greens…Gotta go, I’m getting hungry!
You’re right.
Hi Chris,
Great article. I’ve used it as a reference many times.
Dietitians of Canada recommends Red Star nutritional yeast for B12, and I am wondering, would that also be a B12 analog and therefore, not recommended? I haven’t been able to find an answer to my question when researching.
Thanks!
The B12 in Red Star (and other major brands) nutritional yeast is not an analog. It’s actual vitamin B12 produced by bacteria in a lab. It’s the same that’s used in supplements and added to nondairy milks. For some, especially the elderly, it can be more readily absorbed than the B12 from meat.
Thank you, Judy!
That really helps 🙂
You’re very welcome, Valerie!
I would like to get back to a vegetarian/vegan diet, but with the US/Iran Nuclear Deal, what the use is a longer life?
Thanks Chris. You say about the study: “…there was no survival difference between vegetarians or omnivores. Nor was there any difference in rates of heart disease or stroke between the two groups.”
The article says: “We found that a vegetarian diet was associated with a 15% reduction in mortality from ischaemic heart disease.”
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2352199/pdf/bmj00561-0017.pdf)
Did I misunderstand?
The key word is ischaemic – vegans/vegetarians have been shown to be at higher risk for other forms of heart disease (specifically a lack of cholesterol).
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/29/why-are-vegetarians-at-risk-of-heart-disease.aspx
Mercola is basically a meat-pusher who misleads people with his completely unfounded rationalizations about nutrients only found in meat. Simply not true, Almost ALL nutrients start with plants. B-12 is produced by bacteria in the soil and SHOULD be available from plants, but modern, industrialized agriculture and changing the soil has made it too difficult in our modern society; Vit D is from exposure to sunlight – anyone living in northern climates needs to supplement, Vit K is produced by bacteria in our gut. Essential oils are found in plant foods too.
Grains have twice the correlation with cancer as meat. Pescatarian is the healthiest diet with 47% reduction in cancer risk. Pescatarian is pretty much a vegan diet + seafood, which prevents deficiency in EOA/DHA Iomega-3, vitamin D, B12, iron, iodine, zink, copper, calcium, and highest foid source of protein.
What is your source regarding your statement about grains and meat? The American Institute for Cancer Research recommends a diet high in whole grains because of their cancer-preventing fiber and other healthful compounds.
One source is the China study. No not the book but the actual study. You can obtain the base data from the study itself and work through the data if you have a statisical bent. The highest correlation for diet was wheat consumption and cancer. Contary to what the book says, there was no benefit to esting less meat. You will note thst the book never shows data from the study.
There is annecdotal evidence that people with celiac who stop eating wheat while still young have a very low cancer rate.
Of course cancer is not just one disease so only protective from some types.
Cheers
i was vegetarian for 14 years. After I came down with an autoimmune disease, I eliminated wheat, dairy, and beans from my diet and added meat. I am happy to report that I am in remission! Some veg protein sources are poison to our bodies. I must tell u that I eat mostly fresh fruits and veggies with a little bit of organic meat.
Great article, in response to some of the comments, of course you can get all of your daily needs, micronutrients and protein from vegetarian and potentially vegan sources.
The challenge though is that the level of protein and other essential vitamins that are needed for optimal health and athletic performance are difficult to obtain without meat or other animal products, i.e. when attempting to develop strength and size, it’s difficult (but not impossible) to get protein from a vegan diet.
These links can help you a bit. I’m not a bodybuilder myself but I keep in great physical shape while living a vegan lifestyle. I have no problem with maintaining muscle, shape, or health, and I don’t find it difficult to do. It’s something that’s worthy to learn how to do so why not. I eat a lot as an active vegan and that suits me because I love food.
Here’s an article about the The PlantBuilt Vegan Muscle Team. I think it was noted somewhere that they comprised 10% of the competition but won 40% of the medals.
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=article_robert_austin_2013
https://www.facebook.com/groups/VeganBodybuildingAndFitness/ Here’s the FB page.
There are tons of vegan fb pages with thousands of people discussing topics and providing great info. I was helped and I’ve helped others.
Vegan is really not difficult to do. Want a burger then try Field Roast. They’re amazing. And add Chao cheese and “Just Mayo Chipotle” to it along with the tomato/lettuce/fried onions/mustard/whatever you normally put on it… and you’ll see how good it can get.
Every carnist that’s tried it says that Field Roast is in a class by itself. It can’t be compared to meat because it beats it on every level. It’s that good. So why not. And “protein” while important is very misunderstood when you actually start to study it. I don’t even think about protein. I just eat.
Peace,
John
And I take no supplements/vitamins/protein powers. The only thing I take occasionally is b12, but it’s rare I do because of the way I eat. Be sure to read the other comments from vegans on b12 and then do further research into how it all works. There’s a whole lot to study on that subject and that’s important for your health which you clearly care about.
Regards,
John