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Why You Should Think Twice about Removing Animal Products from Your Diet

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Vegetarian and vegan diets can’t offer the same nutrients as this grilled meat.
Are vegetarian and vegan diets healthy? If you’re not eating meat, you’re missing out on key nutrients animal products provide.

This is an update of an article I published in 2011. I affirm that animal products are among the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat and that vegetarians and vegans are at risk for multiple nutrient deficiencies. I have included up-to-date research and expanded the list of nutrients that are often lacking in vegetarian and vegan diets.

Maybe you have considered going vegetarian or vegan for the health benefits. Or maybe you know someone who feels strongly about it as an ethical choice, and you wonder if they can really follow the diet in a healthy way. I respect these reasons and appreciate anyone who thinks deeply about the social and spiritual impact of their food choices—even if my own exploration of these questions has led me to a different answer.

But many choose a vegetarian diet because they’re under the impression that it’s a healthier choice from a nutritional perspective. It is this last reason that I’d like to address in this article. For the last 50-plus years, we’ve been told that meat, eggs, and animal fats are bad for us and that we’ll live longer and enjoy superior health if we minimize or avoid them. This idea has been so thoroughly drilled into our heads that few people even question it anymore. In fact, if you asked the average person on the street whether a vegetarian or vegan diet is healthier than an omnivorous diet, they’d probably say yes. But is this really true?

If You Want Nutrient-Dense Foods, You Need to Eat Animal Products

Plant-based diets emphasize vegetables, which are quite nutrient dense, and fruits, which are somewhat nutrient dense. They also typically include large amounts of cereal grains (refined and unrefined) and legumes, both of which are low in bioavailable nutrients and high in anti-nutrients like phytate. Most importantly, vegetarian and vegan diets eschew organ meats, other meats, and fish and shellfish, which are among the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat. (1)

Followers of vegetarian and vegan diets, beware: You could be missing out on B12, iron, calcium, and other key nutrients. Is it time to rethink your diet plan and add meat back to your plate? Find out. #nutrientdensefoods #paleocure.

Vegan diets, in particular, are almost completely devoid of certain nutrients that are crucial for physiological function. Deficiencies can take months or years to develop, and many are easily missed because they are not routinely tested for in primary care settings. Several studies have shown that both vegetarians and vegans are prone to deficiencies in:

  • Vitamin B12
  • Calcium
  • Iron
  • Zinc
  • Long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA
  • Fat-soluble vitamins like A and D

Let’s take a closer look at each of these nutrients.

Vegetarian and Vegan Diets Don’t Provide Enough Vitamin B12

B12 deficiency is especially common in vegetarians and vegans. To properly evaluate B12 status, total serum vitamin B12 isn’t enough. A better marker for vitamin B12 is holotranscobalamin II, the biologically active fragment, which should be measured along with total homocysteine and methylmalonic acid. Low B12 is correlated with low holotranscobalamin II, while homocysteine and methylmalonic acid are usually increased in later stages of vitamin B12 deficiency. (2) The most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that up to 77 percent of vegetarians and 92 percent of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 11 percent of omnivores. (3, 4, 5)

Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. B12 deficiency can cause numerous symptoms, including:

  • Fatigue
  • Lethargy
  • Weakness
  • Memory loss
  • Neurological and psychiatric problems
  • Anemia
  • And much more …

It’s a common myth among vegetarians and vegans that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:

  • Seaweed
  • Fermented soy
  • Spirulina
  • Brewer’s yeast

These plant foods don’t contain B12. They contain B12 analogs, called cobamides, that block the intake of—and increase the need for—true B12. (6) Researchers have identified purple laver nori (seaweed) as a plant source of bioavailable B12; however, it could contain high levels of cadmium and arsenic. (7, 8, 9, 10) More studies are needed, but there is a potentially serious problem with relying on purple laver nori for adequate B12.

If You’re Vegan, You Might Be Missing out on Calcium

You know that calcium is important for bone health, but did you know it’s essential for muscle and nerve function and that it’s involved in blood clotting? On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products). Vegans, however, are often deficient. (11, 12, 13)

Calcium bioavailability from plant foods is affected by their levels of oxalate and phytate, which are inhibitors of calcium absorption and thus decrease the amount of calcium the body can extract from plant foods. (10) So while leafy greens like spinach and kale have a relatively high calcium content, the calcium is not efficiently absorbed during digestion.

One study suggests that it would take 16 servings of spinach to get the same amount of absorbable calcium as an eight-ounce glass of milk. (14) That would be 33 cups of baby spinach or around five or six cups of cooked spinach. There are a few vegetables listed in this paper that have higher levels of bioavailable calcium, but it’s important to note that all of the vegetables tested required multiple servings to achieve the same amount of usable calcium as one single serving of milk, cheese, or yogurt.

This suggests that trying to meet your daily calcium needs from plant foods alone might not be a great strategy. For those who don’t tolerate dairy well, fish with edible bones like sardines are great sources of calcium on a Paleo diet.

You’re Also More Likely to Be Iron-Deficient on a Plant-Based Diet

Vegetarians and omnivores often have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. (15, 16) This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency.

Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient.

For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40 percent of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance. (17) Among Australian men, iron intake among vegetarians and vegans was 29 to 49 percent higher than omnivores, but their serum ferritin concentrations were barely half that of omnivores. (18) Despite similar iron intakes, another study published this year showed vegans and female vegetarians having low ferritin levels. (19)

Why would this be? As with calcium, the bioavailability of the iron in plant foods (nonheme iron) is much lower than in animal foods (heme iron). Plant-based forms of iron are also inhibited by other commonly consumed substances, such as:

This explains why vegetarian diets have been shown to reduce nonheme iron absorption by 70 percent and total iron absorption by 85 percent. (20, 21)

Red Meat, Fish, and Poultry Are Your Best Sources for Zinc

Zinc is important for the immune system, cell growth, and wound healing. You won’t usually see overt zinc deficiency in Western vegetarians, but their intake often falls below recommendations, probably because red meat, poultry, and fish are the best sources.

This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35 percent compared with an omnivorous diet. (22) Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. (23) One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50 percent more zinc than omnivores for this reason. (24) A meta-analysis of 34 studies found that both zinc intakes and serum zinc concentrations were lower in vegetarians than non-vegetarians. (25)

You Might Be Missing out on the Benefits of Essential Fatty Acids

Plant foods do contain linoleic acid (omega-6) and alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, omega-3), both of which are considered essential fatty acids. In this context, an essential fatty acid is one that can’t be synthesized by the body and must be obtained in the diet. However, an increasing body of research has highlighted the benefits of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA. These fatty acids play a protective and therapeutic role in a wide range of diseases: (26, 27)

While it is possible for some ALA from plant foods to be converted into EPA and DHA, that conversion is poor in humans: between 5 and 10 percent for EPA and 2 and 5 percent for DHA. (28)

Although no official recommendation exists, the daily suggested intake of combined DHA and EPA is around 250 to 500 mg. In theory, this means vegans and vegetarians would need to consume between five and 12.5 grams of ALA per day to obtain 250 mg of DHA. In reality, vegetarians and vegans consume merely 0.97 g/day and 0.86 g/day of ALA, respectively, according to a study of over 14,000 Americans. (29)

Vegetarians have 30 percent lower levels of EPA and DHA than omnivores, while vegans have 50 percent lower EPA and nearly 60 percent lower DHA. (30, 31) Moreover, the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron, selenium, and pyridoxine—nutrients that vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of. (32333435) Eating 12 to 16 ounces of cold-water fatty fish per week remains the best way to get adequate EPA and DHA. The fish will also provide bioavailable protein and selenium.

Vitamins A and D: What You’re Missing

Perhaps the biggest problem with vegetarian and vegan diets, however, is their near total lack of two fat-soluble vitamins: A and D.

Fat-soluble vitamins play numerous and critical roles in human health. Vitamin A promotes healthy immune function, fertility, eyesight, and skin. Vitamin D regulates calcium metabolism, regulates immune function, reduces inflammation, and protects against some forms of cancer.

These important fat-soluble vitamins are concentrated, and in some cases found almost exclusively, in animal foods like:

  • Seafood
  • Organ meats
  • Eggs
  • Dairy products

Some obscure species of mushrooms can provide large amounts of vitamin D, but these mushrooms are rarely consumed and often difficult to obtain. This explains why vitamin D levels are often low in vegetarians and even lower in vegans. (36, 37, 38, 39)

The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient. (40, 41) For example, a single serving of liver per week would meet the RDA of 3,000 IU. To get the same amount from plant foods, you’d have to eat two cups of carrots, one cup of sweet potatoes, or two cups of kale every day.

Moreover, traditional cultures consumed up to 10 times the current RDA for vitamin A. It would be nearly impossible to get this amount of vitamin A from plant foods without juicing or taking supplements. And if supplements aren’t consumed with a fatty meal, the actual absorption will be low. (42)

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Vegans and Vegetarians, You Could Be Missing These Key Nutrients

If you don’t eat meat or other animal products, you could also be missing out on:

  • Choline
  • Creatine
  • Taurine
  • Methionine
  • Glycine
  • Selenium

Choline

Vegetarian and vegan diets, along with the Standard American Diet, pose risks of choline deficiency. (43) Choline is required for:

  • Healthy cell membrane function
  • Methylation
  • Cognitive development in children

It’s so important that the FDA recently set a daily recommended intake of 550 mg for men and 425 mg for women, which should increase to 450 mg during pregnancy and 550 mg during breastfeeding. Recent research suggests that only 8.5 percent of women meet the daily choline requirement. (44) With egg yolks and organ meats as the most potent sources of choline, it’s not surprising that even omnivores are not getting enough. This is another reason I encourage giving organ meat dishes another try.

Creatine

Creatine plasma and muscle levels are usually lower in vegetarians than in omnivores, as meat provides the richest source of creatine. (45) Creatine may play an important role in cognitive function. A randomized controlled trial found that six weeks of oral creatine supplementation significantly improved vegetarians’ performance on tests of fluid intelligence and working memory. The difference in scores between groups was enormous. (46)

Another study found that creatine supplementation in vegetarians improved memory, while having no effect on fluid intelligence or working memory in meat-eaters. (47) These results suggest that vegetarians’ baseline scores may have been impaired due to low creatine intake.

Taurine

Taurine has a central role as a neurotransmitter, promotes the development of the central nervous system, and upholds the structure of cell membranes. Although the body can synthesize small amounts of taurine, vegetarians and vegans often still have low plasma and urinary taurine levels because taurine is found primarily in animal products. (48, 49) Low plasma taurine in newborns is associated with lower scores on mental development and arithmetic tests at age seven, suggesting that dietary taurine aids in neural development. (50)

Methionine

Methionine is another amino acid that is restricted on a plant-based diet. Low methionine intake has been linked to longevity in scientific research. However, methionine is still an essential amino acid, and too little methionine may impair detoxification and reduce fertility. (51, 52) After being activated using ATP, methionine becomes the universal methyl donor.

On the flip side, too much methionine can also pose problems. After methyl donation, methionine becomes homocysteine and must be recycled back to methionine by B12, folate, or betaine (derived from choline). Because meat is high in methionine, diets heavy in muscle meats but low in connective tissues can result in increased homocysteine levels, a risk factor for CVD.

That said, studies have shown that vegetarians and vegans have significantly higher homocysteine levels on average than omnivores. (53) In one study, the average homocysteine level among vegetarians was 13.9 nmol/L and among vegans, 16.4 nmol/L, compared to 11.3 nmol/L for omnivores. (54) This puts most vegetarians and vegans in a range that carries significant risk of CVD. In fact, according to one study, the prevalence of hyperhomocysteinemia among vegetarians may actually be higher than that among non-vegetarians already diagnosed with heart disease. (55)

Glycine

Vegetarians and vegans don’t consume as much glycine as meat-eaters, as the richest sources are the “odd bits” of animal foods, like: (56)

  • Skin
  • Bones
  • Collagen
  • Gelatin

Glycine is one of the building blocks of collagen, found in our connective tissues. In addition to its structural role, glycine can also act as a neurotransmitter, plays a role in blood sugar regulation, and stimulates the production of glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. (5758, 59, 60)

Some Paleo dieters can be susceptible to low glycine intake, too, if they are eating tons of muscle meat and ignoring the “nose-to-tail” philosophy. Glycine helps balance out methionine levels, in part by acting as a buffer for excess methyl groups. Low choline and glycine intake, common in vegetarians and vegans, can further contribute to high homocysteine levels and increased risk of CVD. Eating bone broth regularly can help balance glycine/methionine levels.

Selenium

While a few studies show no difference in selenium status among diet types, most research shows lower intake and/or levels in vegetarians and vegans compared to omnivores, including one study that measured glutathione peroxidase, a selenium-dependent enzyme and an excellent marker of active selenium status. (61, 62, 63, 64) Selenium has a role in immune function, supports thyroid hormone synthesis, and protects the thyroid from excess iodine damage. (65, 66) Selenium also helps prevent mercury toxicity. (67)

Selenium deficiency is also common in those with digestive health issues like Crohn’s disease or celiac disease. (6869) The best sources of selenium include:

  • Brazil nuts
  • Crimini mushrooms
  • Some sea foods
  • Chicken
  • Eggs
  • Lamb
  • Turkey
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Eating Animal Products Could Also Help Your Thyroid Health

Thyroid hormone synthesis requires iodine, a nutrient that can be lacking from omnivore and plant-based diets alike. Most iodine comes from the sea; the soil—and therefore vegetables grown in soil—usually contains very little. In a typical mixed diet, the highest sources of iodine are iodized salt and animal products like:

  • Dairy products
  • Eggs
  • Seafood

Vegetarians and vegans are at risk for low iodine intake. (70)

In the Boston area, urinary iodine levels in vegans were barely half that of vegetarians, and vegans were at high risk of iodine deficiency. (71) Several studies of Scandinavian populations confirm that vegans finished last in iodine intake and/or urinary iodine levels. (72, 73, 74) To make matters worse, isoflavones found in soy products, which are sometimes consumed in large quantities in vegan and vegetarian diets, may exacerbate iodine deficiency and hypothyroidism. (75)

But even those following a Paleo template can be at risk for iodine deficiency if they are not regularly consuming seafood. (76) Sea vegetables, especially kelp, are the highest sources of iodine ounce for ounce.

Your Kids Need Nutrient-Dense Foods to Thrive

Because of the prevailing idea in our culture that vegetarian and vegan diets are healthy, more and more children are being raised from birth (and even from conception!) on meat-free diets. Both the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) and USDA have said that vegetarian and vegan diets are safe during pregnancy, but critical analyses by several researchers have questioned whether these recommendations are based on sufficient evidence. One review remarked that “the evidence on vegan–vegetarian diets in pregnancy is heterogeneous and scant,” suggesting that more research is needed to answer the question of whether they are, in fact, safe during pregnancy. (77)

Vegetarian and vegan diets for children carry significant risks of nutrient deficiencies that can have dire health consequences. (78, 79, 80)

Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient years after adding at least some animal products to their diet. One study found an association between B12 status and measures of intelligence and memory, with formerly vegan kids scoring lower than omnivorous kids. (81) Devastating case studies have reported B12 deficiency in young vegan children that have led to neurological damage and developmental delays. (82, 83)

Low nutrient intake extends beyond vitamin B12. Other case studies have attributed hypothyroidism in young children to a maternal and/or childhood vegan diet. (84, 85) Compared to omnivores, breast milk from vegan mothers had lower levels of DHA and EPA, which are vital for brain development, especially in the first year of life, when a baby’s brain literally doubles in size. (83) In short, just like adults, children on vegetarian and vegan diets often have lower intakes of iron, iodine, vitamin A, zinc, and more.

Childhood is the critical time for proper nutrition. Kids can be notoriously “picky eaters,” so we should be sure that each bite counts by providing the nutrients they need to thrive.

Your Best Choice for Optimal Nutrition Isn’t a Vegetarian or Vegan Diet, but a Paleo Template

With care and attention, I think it’s possible to meet most of your nutrient needs with a vegetarian diet that includes liberal amounts of pasture-raised, full-fat dairy and eggs, with one exception: EPA and DHA. These long-chain omega fats are found exclusively in marine algae and fish and shellfish, so the only way to get them on a vegetarian diet would be to take a microalgae supplement or bend the rules and take fish oil or cod liver oil as a supplement. (86) Still, while it may be possible to obtain adequate nutrition on a vegetarian diet, it is not optimal—as the research above indicates.

I don’t think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs on a vegan diet without supplements—and quite a few of them. Vegan diets are low in:

  • B12
  • Bioavailable iron and zinc
  • Choline
  • Vitamins A and D
  • Calcium
  • EPA and DHA
If you’re intent on following a vegan diet, make sure you’re supplementing.

It’s worth pointing out that there are genetic differences that affect the conversion of certain nutrient precursors (like beta-carotene and alpha-linolenic acid) into the active forms of those nutrients (like retinol and EPA and DHA, respectively), and these differences may affect how long someone will be able to follow a vegetarian or vegan diet before they develop nutrient deficiencies. This explains why some people seem to do well for years on these diets, while others develop problems very quickly.

Is It Time to Rethink Your Diet?

From an evolutionary perspective, is difficult to justify a diet with low levels of several nutrients critical to human function. While it may be possible to address these shortcomings through targeted supplementation (an issue that is still debated), it makes far more sense to meet your nutritional needs from food.

This is especially important for children, who are still developing and are even more sensitive to suboptimal intake of the nutrients discussed in this article. Like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. Unfortunately, many are not aware of the potential for nutrient deficiencies posed by their dietary choices.

I hope this article can serve as a resource for anyone on a plant-based diet, whether they choose to start eating meat (or animal products, in the case of vegans) again or not.

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  1. I find this misleading and bias in nature, it’s important to note that most serious long term vegans are aware of these points, and make eating choices acordingly.

  2. So I’m really confused. I am already sick; it’s too late for prevention. I’m suffering from congestive heart failure and getting worse. I do NOT want to go the conventional medicine route because I know it will entail toxic drugs, invasive interventional procedures and possibly surgeries. So I’ve been searching for a dietary solution and come across Dr. Dean Ornish, et al and finally bought Dr. Fuhrman’s “End of All Heart Disease – Eat to Live” book because it was most recent and had a slightly less restrictive approach. But it’s full of eat beans, and approves of soy and other red flags, so now I’m just confused. He claims to be able to reverse heart disease with this diet, but I don’t know if I can even manage such a restrictive regime for a couple of weeks let alone the rest of my life. I’d sure appreciate any opinions and insights.

    • Can I be honest with you? If you really wanna tacele your heart disease you’d be willing to do anything to LIVE, including a strict diet. The plant based diet for heart disease is strict can enjoyable, it removed anything that can inflame the heart, including meat and dairy. I know it sounds hard but you can do it I know you can. Find a doctor near you who specializes in plant based nutrition, so you can get started, educted, and monitored. Try to do some research first.

    • Hi Amanda, I can feel your frustration and worry, and I’m so sorry. You need to go with your gut – in both a spiritual/emotional sense and practical sense – meaning that how your body is digesting the food you eat makes a world of difference. I would suggest a Functional Diagnostic Nutritionist practitioner who can run some lab tests and work with you to determine what diet is best for your body, rather that trying to sort through dogma. Food may taste good, but that doesn’t mean it won’t stress out your body.

    • It is a mineral defficiency, easy cake. Google Dr Wallach or Dr Glidden.
      Go for it…
      Tito

      • One caveat on Dr. Davis.

        When Dr. Ornish took the track your plaque test, through Dr. Davis, his score was zero. This told me a lot.

        Dr. Esselstyn who is turning 83, is on no medications and has enviable blood pressure and cholesterol readings- most men his age are on multiple medications to treat their advanced atherosclerosis.

        Though less processed foods on Dr. Davis’s plan is definitely helpful, his use of eggs, bacon, dairy etc.. still put atherosclerotic plaque in the human body. LDL cholesterol are the bricks of heart disease.

        Dr. Davis did improve his own HBA1C levels, but he has not documented reversed heart disease in anyone. Dr. Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn have.

    • Just eat real food and avoid synthetic additives. It’s simple… If you can make it in your kitchen then it’s real… If it requires a laboratory then it’s not real. Make sure the animals and their products were raised on their natural diet and were not confined. Make sure the animals are outside all day. Just choose food and avoid chemicals and you’ll heal!

    • Read The China Study – particularly the sction on the reversal of heart conditions.

      • Ah, that would be the discredited China Study and its conclusions based on cherry-picked data. Better to look at some more recent and more objective analyses.

    • Hi Amanda, check out Dr John Bergman on youtube. ypr in your specific problem and see what comes up -he is absolutely excellent on so many topics and gets results where noone else does

    • Cutting out the animal products and oils on these diets can be a real challenge at first. Taste preferences change. Fruit, crunchy green salads, a warm bowl of oatmeal with cinnamon and flax, all are enjoyed immensely. Believe it or not, my bok choy and kale with balsamic is one of my favorite things to eat. A black bean, salsa and corn tortilla taco with chia seeds and a glass of white or red wine is not deprivation.

      If I were you, I would research Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, also.

      In my lay persons’ , humble opinion, your best best is to sign up with Dr. Ornish program or Dr. Esslestyn at Cleveland Clinic without delay. Dr. E and Dr. Ornish program doctors and dietitians will work with your cardiologist to set up a treatment plan best for you.

  3. Eating HIGH QUALITY animal products (WHOLE ANIMAL) has changed my life exponentially. I have struggled with adhd, sleep apnea, and severe anxiety my entire life. Before I recently began to use logic and eat animal foods, I was on a strict vegan diet and boy was that a mistake. I remember not even being able to meditate because my brain was so STARVED, crushing depression and anxiety made it impossible to focus. I’m surprised I didn’t end my life. On the flip side, I now enjoy little to no anxiety, full focus, and general tranquility. I eat the whole animal, FULLY fermented grains, raw dairy, yadda yadda yadda. It’s freaking awesome. It’s INCREDIBLE how much of a difference these REAL foods have made. My IBS is GONE. My schizo-like symptoms are GONE. I am free at last.

    • That’s unfortunate, did you try supplements before going back to animal products? What do fermented grains have to do with anything? Also I would be careful of raw milk, it’s a primary carrier of Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria.

  4. Im new to Veganism and so am very interested with the above article. Im still learning about a balanced diet but from people i have met and things I’ve read it is my understanding that there is sufficient calcium in many vegan foods including something as common as soy milk? In terms of protein the issue is not in getting insufficient levels but in fact too much, which leads to health problems. The question i would have in terms of the research behind the article is who is funding it?

    • This has been written by a guy who is a diet entrepreneur – not a doctor. All vegans know they need to supplement B12 which is a tiny price to pay for all the benefits. B12 is a simple squirt of a spray once every few days or so. And it’s tasty. This article, as sound as it might seem, has a commercial agenda – aka Paleo pushing. Paleo has been scientifically debunked by highly regarded academics. Deets on the author Chris are here: https://chriskresser.com/about/

    • I highly recommend sweet potatoes in a vegan diet 🙂 I constantly eat them, and if you add some fat (I use either nuts or avocados, and they are really good mashed with peanut butter) it increases the absorption of beta carotene, which means more vitamin a. Also, they are freaking delicious! 🙂

    • Adam, you are absolutely right. There is as much calcium in your average soy milk and almond milk as in cow’s milk. Cheers on switching to veganism! Your body will thank you. Just remember to consume B12 (supplementation sprays or as I do, nutritional yeast) and you’ll be A-OK. This article is a piece of crap, and it doesn’t seem like the author has done enough research on veganism or vegetarianism to come to the conclusion that we should all be consuming animal cruelty and supporting even worsening environmental degradation (stfu trolls, most everything we do contributes to environmental degradation) by consuming dairy, eggs, and other animal products.

  5. It doesn’t matter if a vegan diet is good or bad for you.. killing animals or any living sentient being just so you can survive knowing in your heart there’s another way to eat to survive is selfish. Point blank, end of discussion . . Vegan is a lifestyle not just a diet.. point blank, end of discussion

    • That’s exactly what I thought, and after 7 years of vegetarianism my health was awful, getting the flu every couple of months, regular cold sores and muscle strains that wouldn’t heal.

      Going Paleo has really restored me and given me far greater energy levels and made me realise how little my notions of whats right and wrong have to do with my body being effectively nourished.

      • Vegetarian?.. Why didn’t you just go vegan? Vegetarians consume a lot of dairy, dairy makes you sick. Paleo lifestyle doesn’t consume dairy. Maybe you just feel better because of the dairy out of your system. Don’t blame it on the vegan diet. I went vegan at first just for my health and it saved me, my kids, and my family. We where morbidly obese. And 1 year later, where 78 pounds less, and healthier then ever. You just have to do your research before jumping into any lifestyle. ALL DIETS come with good and bads, including paleo, vegan, and most definitely the standard American diet. It’s up to you to make the best of your diet aND lifestyle. My vegan lifestyle has opened my eyes not only to the animal cruelty, but the lies our government and food industry’s poison they put in our food, it’s taught me to be conscious of my food. And we can all agree paleo and vegan are amazing just for that reason alone.

        • Totally agree. I was vegetarian for about two years. Getting terribly sick, developed IBS, stress, anxiety, poor skin. It was a bad time in my life despite feeling like I was doing good for the planet. I became vegan about a year ago and I have never felt better. I never expected that removing the dairy and eggs would make such a significant difference to how I feel. I would, and do recommend it to everyone I know.

          • This is true. That’s one thing no one can argue about, is the bad affects of dairy products on the body.. I just read a study on the okinawa’s. They live so long, look into there diet, research. It’s amazinf, the longest people living on earth in Japan, and they never consume dairy products. And are mostly plantbased. There high intake of fish makes the old people
            E so active even in there old age. Too bad all the fish in toxic now unlike back then, but they consume a lot of seaweed and rice and vegetables and miso… 80% plant based. They only ate pork only on special occasions and rituals. The considered it to be a luxury..

            • And just where do you get “That’s one thing no one can argue about, is the bad affects of dairy products on the body”?? And you laughed when another commenter wrote that “Vegans generalize too much”? People certainly can, and do, argue that your grossly inaccurate generalization is just that — grossly inaccurate. (I won’t even go into the grammatical and spelling errors, which certainly do not add to your credibility). Dairy can be a healthful dietary component for people that do not have a sensitivity to lactose. Like any other food, any dairy products you consume should be made without the use of hormones, pesticides, and other unnecessary and extraneous inputs.

              • So let me get this straight.. you read through my entire comment right, and decided to cherry pick my Grammer and sense of writing, seriously? And FYI ALL DAIRY PRO DUCTS CONTAIN HORMONES IN IT, ORGANIC, OR FACTORY ALIKE. Weather it’s artificial injected, or naturally present in baby cows milk, it has hormones in it. It’s meant to turn a baby cow into a 400 pound female cowl in 8 months. Just google it, “does organic or unpasteurized milk contain hormones in it” and do your research. Why don’t you try this experiment for me. Drink a glass of Milk, whatever organic or factory, 4 times a day for 8 months right, then come back and let us know if it don’t make you gain at least 200 pounds.. I might not can’t write as good as you, but I don’t need to be smart and articulate to know what’s good or bad for my body.. pfft.. burrrrnnn..

              • Oh and another thing. You seriously think that the entire world can be fed on organic milk? I’m from Philly. The REAL GHETTO part of philly. And everyone I know tell me they can’t afford organic and pasture fed meat. The majority of Americans can’t afford that kind of meat and dairy luxury. They buy the worst stuff. And it’s killing them. Just one gallon of grassfed unpasteurized milk to feed a family of only 4 (cause where I’m from, our families our bigger then that, and we need to feed a lot of mouths) is around like 14 dollars. Our food stamp average is only 500 for four people to eat a month. All other monthly earnings go to rents and utilities . An average American family of 4 goes through a gallon of Milk every 5 days. You do the math. That kind of mindset on this fantasy of grassfed, unpasteurized organic milk would only bed affordable to 20% of the population, while the other 80% are on food stamps or midclass-to poverty level.

              • I just committed 4 hours of my life to put myself back in the mindset of a dairy eater. I tried look for ways of how milk can be healthy. Take this into consideration. I am a vegan, and believe ethical reasons of consuming dairy is just plain wrong. See I know how bad all milk is for you. But I never researched thoroughly raw, unpasteurized milk. And I’ve come to the conclusion that possibly the only way that this dairy may possibly be healthy for anyone, is if it is fermented. When you ferment it, say like in cheese, you let it age to at least 50 days, the micro naturally produced breaks down the harsh protien and hormones naturally present in milk. So it will make it easier for human to digest it. So MAYBE that’s a little bit healthier. Drink raw milk aka risk of listeria, especially of mixed with pasture milk. But you can’t drink fermented milk. And now that I think of it, the father’s of cheese( french, one of the first inventors of cheese) didn’t believe in drinking milk, they knew the way it was was bad to drink, so they made cheese. The cheese we have now is nothing near the cheese that was aged and created hundreds of years ago. Fermented old cheese is the only thing I would support for a dairy ingester. Say this person gets his own cow, mills his own cow, takes care of there cow, and cows baby. Makes there own old cheese like our ancestors. THEN I would support fermented cheese. But I know that’s never gonna happen on a large scale basis. So back to the vegan min set of cheese is bad. Know why?? Because modern cheese and dairy IS BAD..

                • I am sorry, but your rant makes no sense and is without any scientific basis. You “spent 4 hours” to “put yourself in the mindset of a dairy eater”??? Obviously, you did not. Your biases and your erroneous beliefs prevent you from doing so. Your statements lack any scientific basis. You go on about hormones, but it is obvious that you do not understand what hormones are, what foods may contain traces of them, and how that might affect humans that consume them. Try googling phytoestrogens. And you are totally off the mark in your assertion about modern cheeses. It is not true that modern cheeses bear no resemblance to cheeses of days gone by. While their is certainly a lot of mass-produced junk cheese out there (and the same is true of any plant-based food you can buy), there are also literally hundreds of artisan cheeses that are traditionally crafted. Many people even make their own cheeses — several universities here in the Pacific NW offer cheesemaking classes. And I won’t even address your assumption that all milk comes from cows. You are, by your own admission, a vegan with a certain set of beliefs. Belief is not fact. It is not science. Beliefs, unlike opinions, are also impossible to “suspend” to put yourself into another “mindset”. If you don’t want to use dairy products, fine. That’s your choice. But you are only further destroying your credibility by such a fact-challenged rant as this.

                • The SAME PLACE you research your info, is the same way I research mine. Google, books, and others who are smarter then me and willing to educate me. Why do I need to post links for you to believe me, I don’t see you doing that? Because it’s so sole, you don’t have to be a genius to know that fermented food is better for your body. And you don’t have to be a genius to know that if you want to research the truth, if you know where to look for it, you can find it. You are biased, and so am I. Except I admit it, and I was nice enough to drop the bias and try to put myself in your shoes to justify dairy consumption. But your not open minded at all. You Nick pick any info you want to slander and make someone look bad to make your argument valid. You need to take a chill pill and take a step back and try to drop the bias like I did and and try to look at everything in our view like I tried for you..

                • I’m not sure why you think that you can’t drink fermented milk? Of course you can. Millions of people do it every day and have been doing so for millennia. Also, man started making cheese not because he knew that milk is bad but as a way of preserving food. Cheese keeps for longer and it travels better than milk.

    • Thank you for your sanctimonious closed-mindedness! I am sure that will settle the discussion.

    • No it’s not always selfishness. Some people need meat to be healthy. There are even some that have an emotional need to meat. not all people who like to eat meat hate animals and don’t care about their well being, it’s jus that they also need to take care of themselves

  6. What a lot of people do have a deficiency in on here is serotonin. Serotonin is what we call will power or impulse control. To keep answering people who obviously make you angry is not a sign of a sane and balanced person. Not being able to stop arguing back and forth shows a lack of control (lack of serotonin) and you are far from logical. A sane person would not give two hoots what someone thinks of their diet and other than advising others a sane person would not post messages on any site like this. Round and round thinking ( like people get when trying to sleep at night) is caused by low serotonin, as is a preference or tendency to do anything over and over (our brains cannot do much else repetitively whilst trying to sleep other than thinking and cannot sleep with low levels of serotonin so raises its serotonin level by round and round thinking/posting on websites and not being able to stop.

    So hmmm. I think I’d look at my diet again if this was me. Especially as serotonin is very easily raised with a vegan diet.

    • That’s an interesting note about serotonin. Thanks for sharing. Those types of comment wars make me laugh. xD

    • I would add that by clicking on the links you will find that the “proof” is written by vegetarian advocates, one even having written “Nutrition and Wellness: A Vegetarian Way to Better Health”. My suggestion is to avoid all sites that have something to sell. Even the veggie ones. Try Nutritionffacts.org. Information from non profit doctor analyzing articles on nutrition.

    • Hmmm. Actually it’s the other way round – a whole food omnivore diet is good for your serotonin levels.

  7. If anyone is interested in a vegan or vegetarian diet, something that has cleared up alot of misunderstanding for me is the 80/10/10 diet book by Douglas Graham. Also his site is pretty good too. My opinion is that not all diets considered “vegan” are actually helpful.

    • A little common sense goes a long way in many areas, including nutrition. So you really think a diet of sawdust and ketchup that is certainly vegan might not be healthy?
      I never heard of anyone supporting a vegan diet without some details as to what is suppose to be consumed on a daily basis, did you?
      I call my diet a whole plant-based diet….which of course is vegan but unlike the poorly written article above claims, it does not include unfined anything, be it oil, grains or what have you in cans, jars and plastic wrap….
      In the past I thought consuming wild salmon a couple times a week would be good but some time back I changed my mind and dropped that last bit of animal protein.
      Most of the blah, blah in the article is just a diversion. Facts show that whole plant-based diets lead to a healthier and longer life. It is not necessary to be vegan but a significant reduction in animal protein compared to the Western Diet is…
      However, I am not trying to convince you of anything. You are going to do as you wish and like most people you will end up a burden on the taxpayers.

      • Could you share with the readers some citations for your “facts” and for your contention that people that consume meat end up disabled on public assistance?

  8. The number 1 rule to go by is: What would it be like naturally and try to figure it out and stick to it, even if it goes against the grain. As a result, things should eventually start to make sense. There is so much confusion about the way we should live, but following the way we were meant to be like will give us happiness.

  9. I was thinking of becoming vegan due to the unacceptable cruelty on farms, but I have done research and found that it is near impossible to get sufficient amounts of all necessary vitamins and minerals on a vegan diet without supplements, a whopping 92% of vegans are deficient in B12. Proponents of veganism claim it to be healthier than any other diet, but a diet cannot be healthy if you need supplements to follow it, for a diet to be healthy you need to be able to get everything you need naturally, any diet on which supplements are required is not a good option. I have nothing against vegans, in fact I admire their commitment to animal rights, which are very important, and I wish I had the willpower to do it.

    • You are right that any diet that has to have supplements to complete it is not perfect, but plants can potentially supply everything except b12(that naturally comes along with our food as dirt) IF the soil they are grown in is as healthy, mineralized, and live as it can be. It’s no secret that our planets’ soils have been terribly depleted. If one is devoted to following the design for life, there is nothing to lose except bad health.

      • Exactly. If we drank from untreated stream water and plants directly from healthy soil, that’s where we would get our b12. Most factory farm animals are supplemented with b12, too, because they eat processed foods and don’t make enough on their own. So when we eat their muscle, we’re just consuming the supplements they’ve been given.

        • Untreated stream water is likely to give you dysentery and even cholera. Not very healthy. The whole “we can get B12 from dirt” is rather ignorant. How MUCH dirt?

    • FYI, The world’s largest body of nutrition professionals, the American Dietetic Association (now the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) put out a 2009 position paper stating: “appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.” http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/2009_ADA_position_paper.pdf

      • Would that be the same ADA whose conventions and continuing ed are underwritten by Coca-Cola and other junk-food industry firms? Not so sure I’d accept them as the last word on anything dietary.

    • The “unacceptable cruelty on farms” you refer to is a media agenda myth. I farm and raise beef and know of no one that is cruel to the animals that provide a living for them. Their may be one in a million, the same with the treatment of pets and children. If you choose to not eat meat, fine, but falsely accusing a whole group of good people is not fine.

    • I think as long as someone is eating real food on a vegan diet they will be fine. I am a very healthy vegan, but I know people who eat a lot of oreos, meat substitutes, and other processed crap, and they are not as healthy. Personally I think what he mentioned about vitamin a is very strange, since I don’t think it is difficult at all to eat a sweet potato or a couple cups of kale a day if one is actually eating real food. The only exception is vitamin b12, which I supplement with, but that is due to our crappy farming practices, not nature. Cows need b12 (yes, they produce some of it in their stomachs, but so do humans), and they get all they need naturally from grass. Personally, I am vegan because I believe that torturing and/or killing for convenience is wrong, but I know there are people who believe that they need meat and dairy to survive and be healthy, and if that is why someone does it, then I see nothing wrong with it.

      • Thank you, Christian, for being the voice of reason. While I respect your intent to spare animals, vegans need to stop deluding themselves and realize that producing vegetable crops kills animals, destroys habitat (which kills animals indirectly and by slow, agonizing processes as compared to butchering), and, unless you are consuming organic exclusively, leads to poisoning of the environment with toxins (which also kill animals). I know vegans that will sanctimoniously condemn the use of honey as “exploiting” bees, yet they don’t see the irony in eating many bee-pollinated crops. Those are produced by hauling bee colonies from pillar to post during production seasons, and is more stressful and exploitative of the bees than taking some of the honey (which is usually produced in quantities far beyond the insects’ needs). BTW, industrial production of a large number of vegetable crops involves the use of pesticides that are killing bees in large numbers. for those that are completely honest and realistic, ALL human food choices have environmental impacts.

        • Veganism is about causing the least amount of harm possible. Yes many small rodents are killed in the harvesting of plants and forests are cleared which results in hurting animals BUT you do realize that as a meat eater you are resulting in 10x amount of the damage? The animals you eat need to eat right? Cows eat around 25 POUNDS of food every day, usually grains, corns, soy, or a mixture of the three. And are usually around 14 to 16 months old before slaughter. You want to do the math? Animal agriculture is also the leading cause of deforestation. If you wanna factor in the animals directly killed for your consumption, the animals killed in the 10x (at least) rodents and other small animals in harvesting of crops, 10x as much deforestation so 10x as many wild animals, the animals killed in the testing of your makeups, the animals that die of exhaustion and malnutrition in your zoos, circuses, and fairs, and the animals killed for your leathers and furs, I’d say that vegans still do the least amount of harm to animals. So quit bringing up these things as if we don’t already know them in an attempt to make it seem as if you aren’t that bad.

          • Vegans generalize to much. Not everyone mistreats animals. I know personally that not all zoos and circus’ mistreat there animals. While they may not have as big of an environment to roam around they have a meal everyday they have vets that look after them they are treated with love and respected as one of the family. Just because you heard of this one time doesnt mean that you should condemn everyone it means you should try and change the minority’s behavior.

        • I love when animal eaters become vegetable rights activists. Out of interest, what do you think those animals eat? Have a little google and come back campaigning for broccoli when you find out how much cows eat.

          • Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Where do you get “vegetable rights”? It is puzzling that some (not all) vegans, who like to flaunt their self-assigned status as animal-rights advocates, are either too self-deluded or too intellectually dishonest to acknowledge their own impact on the environment. If they were truly interested in promoting sustainable food production practices, they would examine their role in environmental degradation and animal suffering, and work with everyone trying to feed the world’s human population in a way that is most healthful for both humans and the rest of the planet. Of course, that would mean some painful self-scrutiny and the loss of their phony pedestal of moral superiority. I suppose it’s too much to expect for the emperors to admit they have no clothes. At least, most of the readers of this blog know that said vegans also have no science.

  10. A quick side note, I read the comments to further improve my understanding of the subject matter. However it seems to me that a boat load of these people are using false credentials and sound like pretentious yahoos. Correct me if I am wrong. I would also like to introduce the caveat of athleticism and performance of said athlete on a well established vegan diet and how that’d affect the individual. I am asking a question as an ignorant 19 year old that would like to know more. Those are the only credentials I have to offer.

    • It’s really easy to get all the vital nutrients you need on a vegan diet. As far as B12 goes… B12 comes from soil, and animals eat that soil and that’s how it ends up in animal products… and the reason vegans need to supplement today is because our ancestors would naturally get it from drinking creek water and eating produce with small traces of dirt on it. Other than that… the only reason our ancestors ate meat was during the winter when there wouldn’t be enough fruits and vegetables available so they had to eat meat in order to get the nutrients they needed. In today’s world in our country we have plenty of lentils grains. fruits, and vegetables all year long so it is not necessary. 🙂 Go to Netflix and watch vegetucated you’ll learn a lot! Made me start to transition into veganism.

      • Only eat meat in the winter? We evolved in the tropics. And moved whrn food was unavailable.

      • B12 is actually a bacteria and is usually always injected into the animals. If you aren’t a big fan of taking supplements or often forget (like i do) I really suggest nutritional yeast! When added into recipes it tastes like cheese and is a great source of B12!

    • There are vegan athletes — even vegan bodybuilder’s. A vegan diet means you have a slightly slower recovery time (I have heard — I have not physically read the scientific papers myself), which is obviously far from ideal, but, apparently manageable for at least some individuals given there exist athletes that manage to compete and stay vegan.

  11. B12 deficiency is especially common in vegetarians and vegans.

    This is false, it’s more common among meat eaters. I’m not the best vegan and got my blood tested and b12 levels were great. It’s not hard to maintain at all, so many things are fortified with it. Even meat is supplemented with it

    • You could still be deficient as blood serum tests for B12 are pretty much worthless unless you are at an absolute critical level of b12. There is plenty of information about this out there (Also see Methylmalonic Acid test) Another thing is your body recycles B12 but due to some genetic traits some people recycle at a much lower percentage so even on a meat diet these people will become deficient. On a vegan diet they would become deficient even quicker.

    • Jen, thanks. Does anyone know where the above numbers come from? I haven’t found one study that says that vegetarians in general have lack of B12. I would just really like to see the studies. Imagin country were being vegetarian is just common. In India there are whole communities that haven’t eaten meat ever.

    • If we take your word at face value you still didn’t stated if you supplement with b12 or not, which may be why your levels are supposedly alright. Secondly, it’s anecdotal at best, that’s why studies have at least a few people as a sample size, in order to mitigate individual variations. Finally, there’s plenty of literature that points to deficient intake of b12 amongst vegans and vegetarians, just google what plants have actual b12 vitamin and you’ll see why.

    • A lot of meat-eaters nowadays eat the SAD diet, which is going to make them deficient in a lot of nutrients.

      • Also, this reply was meant for Jen, above. Somehow it didn’t post correctly. My apologies.

  12. That is why you take an organic multivitamin supplement and make sure its not synthetic. If you want to campaign consuming meat, eggs, and dairy. Please make sure you do extensive research before stating a weak argument. Other than that your argument in my opinion is nothing but irrelevant. GO VEGAN!!!!

    • If you have to take vitamin supplements to stay healthy, you can’t say that your diet is great. The best diet gives you what you need without additional supplements.

        • Appeal to nature fallacy galore. ranchers have to feed their cattle synthetic b12 because of modern farming practices, what’s natural about factory farming?

          • While there is certainly nothing natural about factory farming/ranching, it’s inaccurate to state that that ranchers have to supplement their cattle with synthetic B-12 due to “modern farming”. Supplementation can become necessary if the cattle get insufficient cobalt in their diets to manufacture cobalamin. All cattle start our free-ranging on grass. Soils in these grazing lands vary widely in their mineral content naturally; some minerals may be “deficient” in the cattle’s diet because they were never present in the grassland soils to begin with. It has nothing to do with their depletion by “modern farming”, as these grazing lands were never suitable for, or used for, farming.

            • I think they mean modern farming, in terms of having to give the animals treated/ chlorinated water, most grazed animals are getting a water supply in their water tank that is treated, so has no B-12 in it.

              • You make these assertions with absolutely no substantiation whatever. Most cattle operations, yes, even those factory-farming, CAFO-ridden ones, are not in urban areas. They depend for their water on wells, rainfall, and surface waters. The water is not treated. The well water pumped, generally by wind power (because there are no other utilities) from aquifers. Seldom are treated, municipal supplies available for livestock. Check out http://water.usgs.gov/edu/wulv.html

      • It’s very true you should get all your nutrients from food, but it is only as healthy as the soil and environment it came from.

  13. I have been vegetarian for 16 years, and a vegan for 5. When I was just a vegetarian, I was slightly anemic (during that time I probably ate more processed foods than I should have). Since going vegan a little over five years ago, and eating a predominately whole foods, plant based diet, I have had ZERO issues. The only supplement I take is B12 (which by the way is naturally obtained from the soil, we just wash our vegetables so well now that it is lost). I honestly don’t even take it religiously. During my physicals the last two years, I specifically asked the doctor check for common deficiencies claimed to be an issue in vegan diets (such as calcium, protein, iron, B12, folic acid…). My levels are absolutely perfect. I actually am on the higher end for calcium, iron, and folic acid- without taking any supplements. You can absolutely get the nutrients you need to live a perfectly healthy life eating solely a plant based diet. We are the ONLY species who consumes the milk of another animal after the infant stage, by the way. Does anyone really think that nature intended a completely different species to provide us milk that is only produced naturally when they are pregnant or have a baby themselves? Not freaking normal.

    • Well, I am not going to bilk you of your change by asking you to bet that no other animal consumes the milk of another species, as I have (figuratively) done with other vegan-vegetarian commenters on other blogs. I’ll just refer you to “Relentless Enemies: Lions and Buffalo”, a National Geographic bood by Dereck and Beverly Joubert. This is the husband and wife team that has done many NG documentaries on African wildlife. They’ve also documented that lions will consume the milk from nursing buffalo they kill. Predators in Nature must be opportunistic feeders, and don’t let any good protein resource go to waste. While milk from other species does not form a large part of nonhuman animals’ diets, it is inaccurate to say that only humans consume non-species milk.

      The ability to digest lactose was, after all, a spontaneous genetic mutation in some human populations — again, Nature’s way of utilizing available resources. OTH, there was no spontaneous natural mutation to address consumption of tofu and other processed foods, which are not consumed by nonhuman animals. You are on rather weak scientific ground arguing against a food because it is not consumed by nonhumans.

    • What you or anyone else thinks is normal does not influence my diet choices. I do not consume any dairy based on studies available to everyone but the fact is that nutritional science really does not know much of anything for certain yet and I am not going to be around in 100 years when they will likely have many more answers.
      So I can not say for certain that consuming very little meat, eggs , dairy and fish is the way to go but I will stick to it likely for the rest of my life…

    • Thanks Kim. I agree. Never ate meat in my life. Grew up like that. No issues. Do drink milk sometimes. Just love it, but don’t think that it is good for any of us.

    • Dear Kim, thank you for your comment. I have ever consumer meat even as a child I didnt want it. Had to vomit when I was forced during my teenage years after our GP said that it would be better for me. Thankful everyone understood that I just don’t need it and obviously my body neither. Now after many years I am more familiar with Ayurveda and understand that people are different and not everyone should eat meat, not everyone should be vegan or shouldn’t consume milk or meat. Everyone is different. I am not taking any additional vitamins. Look way younger than most of my friends same age. I feel good and have no issues. Eating meat is just comfortable for most people. We don’t have to be extrem about everything but really think about what you eat and what the supermarkets offer us.

    • Yes I am the same. Since transitioning from vegetarian to vegan my iron levels and calcium levels have improved and are now optimal. My blood pressure is also great. I don’t take any supplements, and I live a pretty normal life, working in the city, going out to dinner with friends etc. it’s a low maintenance lifestyle

      • After reading the these comments, I got curious and went to see my doctor and got all excessive test. Never had meat in my life and literally all my levels are perfect. No deficiencies at all!!!!!!!

    • Kim says: “We are the ONLY species who consumes the milk of another animal after the infant stage.” I don’t think that is true. Many animals (carnivorous or omnivorous) would eat milk if they would have access to eat. My grandma’s cats were always eating milk. My mom’s dog has no problem eating cow milk. We as animals on this planet we would eat anything that provides nutrients to survive the next day. Well I agree that we are taking it form another species in an unfair, unmoral way. But we can for sure drink milk and we are not the only one who would do it. Same with eggs.

      • Gabriel, you are absolutely right. Such behavior in wild predators has been documented when their victim happens to be a lactating female. The milk is a nutritional bonus. Nature lets nothing go to waste. Beverly and Derek Joubert (National Geographic wildlife researchers) have documented in their excellent book (and video) “Relentless Enemies” lions in the wild doing this with buffalo they have killed. One could make equally silly statements that “humans are the only animal that does X” about any number of things. And even if the erroneous statement about the milk of other species were true, what does that prove? Only that we are smart enough to exploit another resource in the contest for survival. BTW, the ability of many humans to easily digest the milk of other species is a mutation that occurred naturally, in response to this nutritional resource becoming more readily available.

    • So ridiculous when vegetarians say that “humans are the only species to drink another animal’s milk.” When would a wild animal get a chance to drink another species’ milk? Likely never though would lap it up if given the opportunity.

      I can say that my cat loves grass fed cow and goat milk and drinks it daily.

    • Like the China Study and many other supposedly objective evaluations of diet, the Blue Zones cherry picks data, oversimplifies actual dietary practices, and is by no means a rigorous or scientific analysis. You can easily google the numerous commentaries pointing out the shortcomings in Buettner’s book. While Buettner is an accomplished athlete and author, nowhere in any of his promotional materials is there a mention of any medical or science qualifications. Draw your own conclusions from that.

      • No doubt, all those people in Okinawa claiming to be over 100 are really only 18 and the disease stats from Japan are fake!

        But I only lived in Okinawa for four years so you probably know much more about it than I do so enjoy all that meat, eggs and milk while you can!

        • You vegan types are really amusing. I am really beginning to believe that your dietary deficiencies affect your reading comprehension. First of all, I said nothing whatsoever about your experience in Okinawa, nor about the Okinawan diet itself. Get yourself a little protein snack, some vitamins B-12 and D, and re-read what I wrote. Buettner is trying to sell books and his diet packages. The defects in his work have been documented by many credible researchers — it’s not just my opinion. I actually like his books, and I think he does a lot of good by encouraging Americans to look at other ways of eating than the aptly-acronymed SAD.

          As for the hysterically humorous vegan notion that omnivores eat a diet where animal products make up the largest component, get real. Check out Chris Kresser’s Paleo menus. Omnivores that follow a healthful diet of natural, unprocessed foods likely consume a lot more natural, unprocessed plant foods than most vegans. The latter seem obsessed, judging from their blogs, with whether the latest fake meat product tastes more like “real” meat, whether Oreos and other processed junk foods are vegan, and such topics that indicate their diets are anything but pristine. There is NO scientific evidence that consuming meat, milk or eggs raised organically (or even on small conventional farms) is harmful, unless the consumer has an allergy to such foods I challenge you to produce even a single peer-reviewed, published study that shows otherwise. And, please, don’t go through the farce of referring to the recent IARC determination. I’ve spent a lot of time these past few months urging people to go back to the original monograph and Q&A so they can see what the IARC actually said.

          • Neither I nor any Blue Zone is vegan… I see no need for further discussion about this….bye!

          • @annielaurie98524

            Please eat meat raw for a month without sweet condiments; then come back and tell us that your current cooked meat addiction is natural.

            Just because the majority haven’t figured out how we humans produce our own Vitamin B12 with bacteria; it doesn’t mean that intrinsically motivated individuals haven’t figured it out.

            “There is NO scientific evidence that consuming meat, milk or eggs raised organically (or even on small conventional farms) is harmful”

            Yes they are harmful when a person is inactive. Animal products are survival food; not thriving food and naturally require the exertion of energy to consume said animals and their products in the first place.

            Animal products didn’t increase cranial size; nor sexual organ size. Therefore there is no benefits to consuming animal products unless there is no quality plant foods available.

            • First of all, I do not use ANY “sweet condiments”, on meat or anything else. Second, I eat meat (and I am including all animal tissue in my definition) both cooked and raw. Third, I have no “addiction” to any kind of meat, nor to any other food. “Addiction” is a medical term that is bandied about, often with the user having no concept what “addiction” is. I am not advocating for my diet for others. Each person must be willing to find what works best for him. I am quite familiar with the vegan diet, having practiced, and eventually rejected it, years ago. And, finally, your interpretation of the role of meat in human evolution and development is not supported by any scientific evidence from paleontology, evolutionary biology, archaeology, or human history.

              • Neat with the highlighting.

                Addiction is when a type of stimulant unnaturally raises our neurochemicals to unnatural levels which eventually leads to said levels of neurochemicals to fall much lower then they were initially. Simple enough?

                Cooking meat produces polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03189998

                There is no Vegan diet since veganism is a movement. There is many plant based diets as there is many diets that include animals.

                Nonsense speculative science: paleontology, evolutionary biology, archaeology.

                Real science: Neurochemistry and biochemistry.

                Big cats still have small 350cc cranials yet they consume plenty of meat. Is there anything in meat in sufficient quantity to raise the levels of neurotrophins? Do you have any real science?

                • Project much? Speculative “science” is your contention that first, cooking meat produces PAHs. It is a possibility and is highly dependent on the cooking method. Whether PAHs produced in meat can act as a human stimulant is highly speculative. Whether they would act as addictive agents is pure conjecture. Your definition of addiction is simplistic. It’s not enough that your “neurochemicals” (?) fall to their preconsumption levels, it also requires that the organism comes to seek out and depend on this type of rise and drop. And it is NOT necessary that the addictive chemical be a “stimulant” — in fact, far from it. The American Dietary Association, the USDA and other entities have actually defined a “vegan diet”. Too bad for them they did not check with you first. However, your characterization of the vegan lifestyle as a “movement” rings true for many commenters that have noted the cultish behavior of some vegans. I supposed that paleontologists, biologists, etc. should have also checked with you before labeling themselves as scientists, since you have apparently been appointed to decide which fields are speculative and which not. As for your contention that, if meat enabled human evolution, it should have made lions into rocket scientists, it took me awhile to stop laughing. It must be then obvious to you that it is the abundance of plant-based nutrients (and absence of meat-based ones) in the diets of sheep and rabbits that has enabled their astounding development of more advanced intelligence in relation to other nonhumans. Or not.

        • And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and not the lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira, “is very healthy-and very, very greasy,” in a 1996 article that appeared in Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten-everything from “tails to nails.” Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and shredded ears. Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small amounts of sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about 100 grams of meat per day-compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in China-and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about 200 grams per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish in America. Lard-not vegetable oil-is used in cooking. Okinawans also eat plenty of fibrous root crops such as taro and sweet potatoes. They consume rice and noodles, but not as the main component of the diet. They eat a variety of vegetables such as carrots, white radish, cabbage and greens, both fresh and pickled. Bland tofu is part of the diet, consumed in traditional ways, but on the whole Okinawan cuisine is spicy. Pork dishes are flavored with a mixture of ginger and brown sugar, with chili oil and with “the wicked bite of bitter melon.”
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          19. Deborah Franklyn, “Take a Lesson from the
          People of Okinawa,” Health, September 1996, pp 57-63

          • The diet is changing due to western influence. Before about WW2, the Okinawan diet was mostly sweet potatoes and not much meat at all. They had an almost vegan diet, and that is the diet that the 100 year olds in Okinawa were raised eating. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a drop in the life expectancy of Okinawans in the near future due to these changes.

            • This is simply not accurate. Vegans seem to think that, because a population does not eat American-style burgers every day, they were “almost vegan”. There has never, in the history of the human race, been a natural vegan population. Various populations have been, and continue to, use animal resources that generally do not get counted as “meat”. They eat insects; small reptiles; terrestrial, aquatic and marine crustaceans, etc. I have commented before that “meat” is an ambiguous term. As it is commonly used in the US, it includes mammal and poultry tissue. Many animal food sources are far more nutrient dense than mammal and poultry tissue, and make up a significant part of the diet of so-called “meatless” populations. And as for your last “prediction”, consider this: Japanese life expectancy has continued to rise, even as they adopt a more “Western” diet. It would be very helpful for all health-conscious people to have a science-based discussion on the components that might be included in an ideal human diet, but your speculation on what “wouldn’t surprise” you hardly fits into THAT framework.

              • Didn’t say they used to be vegan, said they used to be close to it. And recently Okinawa has had an increase in obesity, so that isnt exactly what I would call healthy. Was there anything else I said that you would say is incorrect?

                • I stand by my comment. You did not refute anything I stated. Can you educate all of us with your quantitative definition of “almost vegan”? The obesity rate in many countries is increasing. Many nutrition experts believe this is due to increased consumption of refined carbohydrates, particularly various forms of sugar. These carbohydrates, despite the meat-bashing, also make up the bulk of the American diet. The obesity rate (and the BMI index) in Japan had also started to increase until they took national action to curb the rise. They are still adopting a more Westernized diet, yet their longevity is unaffected.

    • If you really do look at the way live in the Blue Zones, rather than just relying on the selective presentation of an author promoting his diet/cookbooks, you will see that, first, their diets are extremely varied (e. g., the Cretans eat a lot of molluscs); and second, many lifestyle factors other than food influence their longevity. Among those are conditions we generally lack in “modern Western civilization” — stronger social networks; a vigorous outdoor life; intermittent fasting; a slower tempo of life; a less refined, cleaner, fresher, more varied diet (aside from its composition); a less polluted environment. In fact, Chris sent out an article today describing a study that showed strong social networks can offset life-shortening habits like smoking and lack of physical activity.

      • How does the Blue Zones author’s promotion of his work and products differ from this site’s or related others? Buettner is careful to include the non-food factors in the equation, even in the cookbooks. Cut the guy some slack. Unlike the faddy meat-heavy diets out there based on cavemen with 40 year life expectancies, you’ve got real live ppl going strong into later life, sometimes with no meat at all.

    • http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301211516302615

      “The study showed that the vegetables-based food intake decreased sperm quality. In particular, a reduction in sperm quality in male factor patients would be clinically significant and would require review. Furthermore, inadequate sperm hyperactivation in vegans suggested compromised membrane calcium selective channels. However, the study results are cautiously interpreted and more corroborative studies are needed.”

  14. Could someone clarify food sources of DHA for me? Chris says it’s just fish but i’ve read somewhere that grass fed cows, lambs and game contain it as well as pastured cheese, milk and eggs.

    Thank you

  15. The second half of this article warns against the “healthy user bias,” which states that you should not conclude that the vegan diet makes you healthier just because observational studies show that vegans are healthier than non-vegans. This makes sense.

    However, using the same logic, you should also conclude that the vegan diet doesn’t not necessarily make you nutrient deficient just because observational studies show that there is a correlation between being vegan and deficiency in select nutrients.

    The first half of this article suggest that this is the case and is therefore guilty of the “healthy user bias” that is rails against in the second half of the article.

    Just because you are vegan, it doesn’t mean you’ll be deficient in these nutrients.

    A well planned vegan diet is healthy just as a well planned omnivorous diet is healthy as well. Just because many vegans don’t eat the vegan diet properly doesn’t mean the vegan diet is unhealthy in the same way that many omnivores not eating healthy doesn’t mean the omnivorous diet is unhealthy.