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Why You Should Think Twice about Removing Animal Products from Your Diet

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Reviewed by Christina Graham, MSN, APRN, AGPCNP-BC

Vegetarian and vegan diets can’t offer the same nutrients as this grilled meat.
Are vegetarian and vegan diets healthy? If you’re not eating meat, you’re missing out on key nutrients animal products provide.

This is an update of an article I published in 2011. I affirm that animal products are among the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat and that vegetarians and vegans are at risk for multiple nutrient deficiencies. I have included up-to-date research and expanded the list of nutrients that are often lacking in vegetarian and vegan diets.

Maybe you have considered going vegetarian or vegan for the health benefits. Or maybe you know someone who feels strongly about it as an ethical choice, and you wonder if they can really follow the diet in a healthy way. I respect these reasons and appreciate anyone who thinks deeply about the social and spiritual impact of their food choices—even if my own exploration of these questions has led me to a different answer.

But many choose a vegetarian diet because they’re under the impression that it’s a healthier choice from a nutritional perspective. It is this last reason that I’d like to address in this article. For the last 50-plus years, we’ve been told that meat, eggs, and animal fats are bad for us and that we’ll live longer and enjoy superior health if we minimize or avoid them. This idea has been so thoroughly drilled into our heads that few people even question it anymore. In fact, if you asked the average person on the street whether a vegetarian or vegan diet is healthier than an omnivorous diet, they’d probably say yes. But is this really true?

If You Want Nutrient-Dense Foods, You Need to Eat Animal Products

Plant-based diets emphasize vegetables, which are quite nutrient dense, and fruits, which are somewhat nutrient dense. They also typically include large amounts of cereal grains (refined and unrefined) and legumes, both of which are low in bioavailable nutrients and high in anti-nutrients like phytate. Most importantly, vegetarian and vegan diets eschew organ meats, other meats, and fish and shellfish, which are among the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat. (1)

Followers of vegetarian and vegan diets, beware: You could be missing out on B12, iron, calcium, and other key nutrients. Is it time to rethink your diet plan and add meat back to your plate? Find out. #nutrientdensefoods #paleocure.

Vegan diets, in particular, are almost completely devoid of certain nutrients that are crucial for physiological function. Deficiencies can take months or years to develop, and many are easily missed because they are not routinely tested for in primary care settings. Several studies have shown that both vegetarians and vegans are prone to deficiencies in:

  • Vitamin B12
  • Calcium
  • Iron
  • Zinc
  • Long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA
  • Fat-soluble vitamins like A and D

Let’s take a closer look at each of these nutrients.

Vegetarian and Vegan Diets Don’t Provide Enough Vitamin B12

B12 deficiency is especially common in vegetarians and vegans. To properly evaluate B12 status, total serum vitamin B12 isn’t enough. A better marker for vitamin B12 is holotranscobalamin II, the biologically active fragment, which should be measured along with total homocysteine and methylmalonic acid. Low B12 is correlated with low holotranscobalamin II, while homocysteine and methylmalonic acid are usually increased in later stages of vitamin B12 deficiency. (2) The most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that up to 77 percent of vegetarians and 92 percent of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 11 percent of omnivores. (3, 4, 5)

Vitamin B12 works together with folate in the synthesis of DNA and red blood cells. It’s also involved in the production of the myelin sheath around the nerves and the conduction of nerve impulses. B12 deficiency can cause numerous symptoms, including:

  • Fatigue
  • Lethargy
  • Weakness
  • Memory loss
  • Neurological and psychiatric problems
  • Anemia
  • And much more …

It’s a common myth among vegetarians and vegans that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:

  • Seaweed
  • Fermented soy
  • Spirulina
  • Brewer’s yeast

These plant foods don’t contain B12. They contain B12 analogs, called cobamides, that block the intake of—and increase the need for—true B12. (6) Researchers have identified purple laver nori (seaweed) as a plant source of bioavailable B12; however, it could contain high levels of cadmium and arsenic. (7, 8, 9, 10) More studies are needed, but there is a potentially serious problem with relying on purple laver nori for adequate B12.

If You’re Vegan, You Might Be Missing out on Calcium

You know that calcium is important for bone health, but did you know it’s essential for muscle and nerve function and that it’s involved in blood clotting? On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products). Vegans, however, are often deficient. (11, 12, 13)

Calcium bioavailability from plant foods is affected by their levels of oxalate and phytate, which are inhibitors of calcium absorption and thus decrease the amount of calcium the body can extract from plant foods. (10) So while leafy greens like spinach and kale have a relatively high calcium content, the calcium is not efficiently absorbed during digestion.

One study suggests that it would take 16 servings of spinach to get the same amount of absorbable calcium as an eight-ounce glass of milk. (14) That would be 33 cups of baby spinach or around five or six cups of cooked spinach. There are a few vegetables listed in this paper that have higher levels of bioavailable calcium, but it’s important to note that all of the vegetables tested required multiple servings to achieve the same amount of usable calcium as one single serving of milk, cheese, or yogurt.

This suggests that trying to meet your daily calcium needs from plant foods alone might not be a great strategy. For those who don’t tolerate dairy well, fish with edible bones like sardines are great sources of calcium on a Paleo diet.

You’re Also More Likely to Be Iron-Deficient on a Plant-Based Diet

Vegetarians and omnivores often have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin—the long-term storage form of iron—are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores. (15, 16) This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency.

Moreover, although vegetarians often have similar iron intakes to omnivores on paper, it is more common for vegetarians (and particularly vegans) to be iron deficient.

For example, this study of 75 vegan women in Germany found that 40 percent of them were iron deficient, despite average iron intakes that were above the recommended daily allowance. (17) Among Australian men, iron intake among vegetarians and vegans was 29 to 49 percent higher than omnivores, but their serum ferritin concentrations were barely half that of omnivores. (18) Despite similar iron intakes, another study published this year showed vegans and female vegetarians having low ferritin levels. (19)

Why would this be? As with calcium, the bioavailability of the iron in plant foods (nonheme iron) is much lower than in animal foods (heme iron). Plant-based forms of iron are also inhibited by other commonly consumed substances, such as:

This explains why vegetarian diets have been shown to reduce nonheme iron absorption by 70 percent and total iron absorption by 85 percent. (20, 21)

Red Meat, Fish, and Poultry Are Your Best Sources for Zinc

Zinc is important for the immune system, cell growth, and wound healing. You won’t usually see overt zinc deficiency in Western vegetarians, but their intake often falls below recommendations, probably because red meat, poultry, and fish are the best sources.

This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35 percent compared with an omnivorous diet. (22) Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. (23) One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50 percent more zinc than omnivores for this reason. (24) A meta-analysis of 34 studies found that both zinc intakes and serum zinc concentrations were lower in vegetarians than non-vegetarians. (25)

You Might Be Missing out on the Benefits of Essential Fatty Acids

Plant foods do contain linoleic acid (omega-6) and alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, omega-3), both of which are considered essential fatty acids. In this context, an essential fatty acid is one that can’t be synthesized by the body and must be obtained in the diet. However, an increasing body of research has highlighted the benefits of the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA. These fatty acids play a protective and therapeutic role in a wide range of diseases: (26, 27)

While it is possible for some ALA from plant foods to be converted into EPA and DHA, that conversion is poor in humans: between 5 and 10 percent for EPA and 2 and 5 percent for DHA. (28)

Although no official recommendation exists, the daily suggested intake of combined DHA and EPA is around 250 to 500 mg. In theory, this means vegans and vegetarians would need to consume between five and 12.5 grams of ALA per day to obtain 250 mg of DHA. In reality, vegetarians and vegans consume merely 0.97 g/day and 0.86 g/day of ALA, respectively, according to a study of over 14,000 Americans. (29)

Vegetarians have 30 percent lower levels of EPA and DHA than omnivores, while vegans have 50 percent lower EPA and nearly 60 percent lower DHA. (30, 31) Moreover, the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron, selenium, and pyridoxine—nutrients that vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of. (32333435) Eating 12 to 16 ounces of cold-water fatty fish per week remains the best way to get adequate EPA and DHA. The fish will also provide bioavailable protein and selenium.

Vitamins A and D: What You’re Missing

Perhaps the biggest problem with vegetarian and vegan diets, however, is their near total lack of two fat-soluble vitamins: A and D.

Fat-soluble vitamins play numerous and critical roles in human health. Vitamin A promotes healthy immune function, fertility, eyesight, and skin. Vitamin D regulates calcium metabolism, regulates immune function, reduces inflammation, and protects against some forms of cancer.

These important fat-soluble vitamins are concentrated, and in some cases found almost exclusively, in animal foods like:

  • Seafood
  • Organ meats
  • Eggs
  • Dairy products

Some obscure species of mushrooms can provide large amounts of vitamin D, but these mushrooms are rarely consumed and often difficult to obtain. This explains why vitamin D levels are often low in vegetarians and even lower in vegans. (36, 37, 38, 39)

The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient. (40, 41) For example, a single serving of liver per week would meet the RDA of 3,000 IU. To get the same amount from plant foods, you’d have to eat two cups of carrots, one cup of sweet potatoes, or two cups of kale every day.

Moreover, traditional cultures consumed up to 10 times the current RDA for vitamin A. It would be nearly impossible to get this amount of vitamin A from plant foods without juicing or taking supplements. And if supplements aren’t consumed with a fatty meal, the actual absorption will be low. (42)

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Vegans and Vegetarians, You Could Be Missing These Key Nutrients

If you don’t eat meat or other animal products, you could also be missing out on:

  • Choline
  • Creatine
  • Taurine
  • Methionine
  • Glycine
  • Selenium

Choline

Vegetarian and vegan diets, along with the Standard American Diet, pose risks of choline deficiency. (43) Choline is required for:

  • Healthy cell membrane function
  • Methylation
  • Cognitive development in children

It’s so important that the FDA recently set a daily recommended intake of 550 mg for men and 425 mg for women, which should increase to 450 mg during pregnancy and 550 mg during breastfeeding. Recent research suggests that only 8.5 percent of women meet the daily choline requirement. (44) With egg yolks and organ meats as the most potent sources of choline, it’s not surprising that even omnivores are not getting enough. This is another reason I encourage giving organ meat dishes another try.

Creatine

Creatine plasma and muscle levels are usually lower in vegetarians than in omnivores, as meat provides the richest source of creatine. (45) Creatine may play an important role in cognitive function. A randomized controlled trial found that six weeks of oral creatine supplementation significantly improved vegetarians’ performance on tests of fluid intelligence and working memory. The difference in scores between groups was enormous. (46)

Another study found that creatine supplementation in vegetarians improved memory, while having no effect on fluid intelligence or working memory in meat-eaters. (47) These results suggest that vegetarians’ baseline scores may have been impaired due to low creatine intake.

Taurine

Taurine has a central role as a neurotransmitter, promotes the development of the central nervous system, and upholds the structure of cell membranes. Although the body can synthesize small amounts of taurine, vegetarians and vegans often still have low plasma and urinary taurine levels because taurine is found primarily in animal products. (48, 49) Low plasma taurine in newborns is associated with lower scores on mental development and arithmetic tests at age seven, suggesting that dietary taurine aids in neural development. (50)

Methionine

Methionine is another amino acid that is restricted on a plant-based diet. Low methionine intake has been linked to longevity in scientific research. However, methionine is still an essential amino acid, and too little methionine may impair detoxification and reduce fertility. (51, 52) After being activated using ATP, methionine becomes the universal methyl donor.

On the flip side, too much methionine can also pose problems. After methyl donation, methionine becomes homocysteine and must be recycled back to methionine by B12, folate, or betaine (derived from choline). Because meat is high in methionine, diets heavy in muscle meats but low in connective tissues can result in increased homocysteine levels, a risk factor for CVD.

That said, studies have shown that vegetarians and vegans have significantly higher homocysteine levels on average than omnivores. (53) In one study, the average homocysteine level among vegetarians was 13.9 nmol/L and among vegans, 16.4 nmol/L, compared to 11.3 nmol/L for omnivores. (54) This puts most vegetarians and vegans in a range that carries significant risk of CVD. In fact, according to one study, the prevalence of hyperhomocysteinemia among vegetarians may actually be higher than that among non-vegetarians already diagnosed with heart disease. (55)

Glycine

Vegetarians and vegans don’t consume as much glycine as meat-eaters, as the richest sources are the “odd bits” of animal foods, like: (56)

  • Skin
  • Bones
  • Collagen
  • Gelatin

Glycine is one of the building blocks of collagen, found in our connective tissues. In addition to its structural role, glycine can also act as a neurotransmitter, plays a role in blood sugar regulation, and stimulates the production of glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. (5758, 59, 60)

Some Paleo dieters can be susceptible to low glycine intake, too, if they are eating tons of muscle meat and ignoring the “nose-to-tail” philosophy. Glycine helps balance out methionine levels, in part by acting as a buffer for excess methyl groups. Low choline and glycine intake, common in vegetarians and vegans, can further contribute to high homocysteine levels and increased risk of CVD. Eating bone broth regularly can help balance glycine/methionine levels.

Selenium

While a few studies show no difference in selenium status among diet types, most research shows lower intake and/or levels in vegetarians and vegans compared to omnivores, including one study that measured glutathione peroxidase, a selenium-dependent enzyme and an excellent marker of active selenium status. (61, 62, 63, 64) Selenium has a role in immune function, supports thyroid hormone synthesis, and protects the thyroid from excess iodine damage. (65, 66) Selenium also helps prevent mercury toxicity. (67)

Selenium deficiency is also common in those with digestive health issues like Crohn’s disease or celiac disease. (6869) The best sources of selenium include:

  • Brazil nuts
  • Crimini mushrooms
  • Some sea foods
  • Chicken
  • Eggs
  • Lamb
  • Turkey
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Eating Animal Products Could Also Help Your Thyroid Health

Thyroid hormone synthesis requires iodine, a nutrient that can be lacking from omnivore and plant-based diets alike. Most iodine comes from the sea; the soil—and therefore vegetables grown in soil—usually contains very little. In a typical mixed diet, the highest sources of iodine are iodized salt and animal products like:

  • Dairy products
  • Eggs
  • Seafood

Vegetarians and vegans are at risk for low iodine intake. (70)

In the Boston area, urinary iodine levels in vegans were barely half that of vegetarians, and vegans were at high risk of iodine deficiency. (71) Several studies of Scandinavian populations confirm that vegans finished last in iodine intake and/or urinary iodine levels. (72, 73, 74) To make matters worse, isoflavones found in soy products, which are sometimes consumed in large quantities in vegan and vegetarian diets, may exacerbate iodine deficiency and hypothyroidism. (75)

But even those following a Paleo template can be at risk for iodine deficiency if they are not regularly consuming seafood. (76) Sea vegetables, especially kelp, are the highest sources of iodine ounce for ounce.

Your Kids Need Nutrient-Dense Foods to Thrive

Because of the prevailing idea in our culture that vegetarian and vegan diets are healthy, more and more children are being raised from birth (and even from conception!) on meat-free diets. Both the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (AND) and USDA have said that vegetarian and vegan diets are safe during pregnancy, but critical analyses by several researchers have questioned whether these recommendations are based on sufficient evidence. One review remarked that “the evidence on vegan–vegetarian diets in pregnancy is heterogeneous and scant,” suggesting that more research is needed to answer the question of whether they are, in fact, safe during pregnancy. (77)

Vegetarian and vegan diets for children carry significant risks of nutrient deficiencies that can have dire health consequences. (78, 79, 80)

Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient years after adding at least some animal products to their diet. One study found an association between B12 status and measures of intelligence and memory, with formerly vegan kids scoring lower than omnivorous kids. (81) Devastating case studies have reported B12 deficiency in young vegan children that have led to neurological damage and developmental delays. (82, 83)

Low nutrient intake extends beyond vitamin B12. Other case studies have attributed hypothyroidism in young children to a maternal and/or childhood vegan diet. (84, 85) Compared to omnivores, breast milk from vegan mothers had lower levels of DHA and EPA, which are vital for brain development, especially in the first year of life, when a baby’s brain literally doubles in size. (83) In short, just like adults, children on vegetarian and vegan diets often have lower intakes of iron, iodine, vitamin A, zinc, and more.

Childhood is the critical time for proper nutrition. Kids can be notoriously “picky eaters,” so we should be sure that each bite counts by providing the nutrients they need to thrive.

Your Best Choice for Optimal Nutrition Isn’t a Vegetarian or Vegan Diet, but a Paleo Template

With care and attention, I think it’s possible to meet most of your nutrient needs with a vegetarian diet that includes liberal amounts of pasture-raised, full-fat dairy and eggs, with one exception: EPA and DHA. These long-chain omega fats are found exclusively in marine algae and fish and shellfish, so the only way to get them on a vegetarian diet would be to take a microalgae supplement or bend the rules and take fish oil or cod liver oil as a supplement. (86) Still, while it may be possible to obtain adequate nutrition on a vegetarian diet, it is not optimal—as the research above indicates.

I don’t think it’s possible to meet nutrient needs on a vegan diet without supplements—and quite a few of them. Vegan diets are low in:

  • B12
  • Bioavailable iron and zinc
  • Choline
  • Vitamins A and D
  • Calcium
  • EPA and DHA
If you’re intent on following a vegan diet, make sure you’re supplementing.

It’s worth pointing out that there are genetic differences that affect the conversion of certain nutrient precursors (like beta-carotene and alpha-linolenic acid) into the active forms of those nutrients (like retinol and EPA and DHA, respectively), and these differences may affect how long someone will be able to follow a vegetarian or vegan diet before they develop nutrient deficiencies. This explains why some people seem to do well for years on these diets, while others develop problems very quickly.

Is It Time to Rethink Your Diet?

From an evolutionary perspective, is difficult to justify a diet with low levels of several nutrients critical to human function. While it may be possible to address these shortcomings through targeted supplementation (an issue that is still debated), it makes far more sense to meet your nutritional needs from food.

This is especially important for children, who are still developing and are even more sensitive to suboptimal intake of the nutrients discussed in this article. Like all parents, vegetarians and vegans want the best for their children. Unfortunately, many are not aware of the potential for nutrient deficiencies posed by their dietary choices.

I hope this article can serve as a resource for anyone on a plant-based diet, whether they choose to start eating meat (or animal products, in the case of vegans) again or not.

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  1. This article is so desperate to convince people to go paleo that it ends up being self-contradictory.
    First, the vegan diet is depicted as deficient but then the author points out a study ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8842068 ) that concludes that “there was no survival difference between vegetarians or omnivores. Nor was there any difference in rates of heart disease or stroke between the two groups.” So, were do you see any deficiency?
    What about being a little less self-centered, maybe you would realize that eating meat do not only involve yourself but the animal that was killed too.
    If this study is right and veganism + omnivorism offer the same life expectancy, what about doing something ethical and stop needlessly killing animals?

    • Surely you’re a conscious of the fact that you are using the term “vegan” and “vegetarian” interchangeably… as if they mean the exact same thing?

      Are you being purposefully disingenuous, or just underlining your ignorance?

      I’m getting really tried of the emotional rhetoric…maybe you should read some of the earlier comments before just spouting off the same tired responses.

    • Thanks for a moment of sanity in amongst all the veg*an noise 🙂

      It really seems that the lunatics are taking over the asylum!

      Hard to believe that so many of those commenting even read here on a regular basis…

      There must be some kind of veg*an jungle telegraph which reaches out to try and overwhelm any opposition: with the same, usual, tired, boring, propaganda and emotion-fueled rhetoric… such a monumental waste of everyone’s time

      Don’t think for yourself, don’t bother reading, don’t bother responding, just recite your prayers boys and girls and maybe you will be get into your fantasy heaven… good grief… what a waste of life.

  2. I find this article to be fueled by a lot of anti-vegetarian/vegan propaganda and misinformation. Right now as we speak, the top record holding bodybuilders are vegan. There are people in their 70’s and 80’s that are vegan and are still running and working out in a gym like a 30 year old would. Most people on a regular meat based diet are well into their years of limited mobility and an increase in the aging process. To meet some of your opinions half way, I also once knew someone that was vegan and heavily malnourished. Strangely enough this person had a serious addiction vegan baked goods, breads and heavy carbs and was very overweight.

    Our digestive system was never evolved to eat meat. We cannot consume meat unless it is cooked which removes bacteria that could be potentially fatal if consumed. With a little research, you can see that our digestive tracts are coiled like that of a herbivores’. If you were to observe the digestive tract of a carnivore you would notice that the digestive track is very short and uncoiled, seeing as how most carnivores walk on all fours and need a short distance in the digestive tract path to pass what has been consumed. However the fact that we can consume certain sea dwelling creatures slightly proves the fact that we, by nature can be pescaterians to a degree.

    Over the years, the changes in the food industry have rewired the human palette and have made the vegan/vegetarian appetite scarce and unappealing, but only of that which was rendered via propaganda from the processed food and meat lobbies. We have been wired to eat this way folks. We are a product of that which has been taught and observed.

    In every form of plant life contains all of the necessary vitamins, proteins and nutrients needed to sustain life. It is only a matter of doing proper research. However most people are lazy in this day and age of convenience, which serves as an ultimate plunge into poor choices in observing good health. In depth studies have show that consumption of animal flesh and proteins cause the bodies metabolism to naturally slow down and store fat in mass quantities, while plant based proteins accelerate the muscle growth, response and absorption and do not horde unnecessary fatty carbohydrates. Plant based proteins such as hemp provide an amazing array of health benefits as well as a sustainable protein that does not require the digestive tract to work overtime in trying to burn, break down and dispel the fatty proteins of animal byproducts.

    All forms of needed nutrition can be found within plant life. It has been proven time and time again. Do some research. The answers are out there. Talk to a healthy vegan or vegetarian and see how they manage their health. Do not waste your time with mindless drivel that has been debunked but still in circulation because dairy, processed foods and meat lobbies want to maintain their profit margins. Its all about money folks, especially in the USA. The big pharma and corporate food industry lobbies are not interested in a healthy, conscious and alert society. They are interested in subpar health that needs a certain amount of medication to keep that Pharma industry booming. Here’s a kicker for that previous line. Just last year, a lobby of Kaiser Permanente doctors and surgeons recommended that morbidly obese, diabetic and cancer patients go on a vegan diet to improve their condition and their health. Out of all the so-called wonder drugs out there used to treat various diseases and conditions, these top medical doctors advised a vegan diet to combat their symptoms. I rest my case!

    • Ryan, there is so much nonsense in your post I hardly know where to begin. Lets start with this, “With a little research, you can see that our digestive tracts are coiled like that of a herbivores’.” All digestive tracts are coiled.The human digestive tract is nothing like an herbivores, either in form or function. Cows and other ruminants have multiple stomachs. Do you have four stomachs? The primary digestive mechanism of herbivores is multi-stage fermentation. Cud is chewed and re-digested. Herbivores must spend most of their time eating their low nutrient dense cellulose based food stuffs. Some herbivores eat their own feces. Does this sound like anything humans do? We most certainly have evolved to eat meat. It is the nutrient dense red meat of herbivores that gave us the evolutionary energy to become human. No Anthropologist disputes this. Koala bears have evolved to eat Eucalyptus leaves. Without them they die. Pandas have evolved to eat bamboo, without it they die.Look around you. If humans have not evolved to be eating meat why do the vast majority of people in all cultures, eat meat? If we have not evolved to eat meat, why are there no reproducing vegan cultures? Why has one never been described? Have we humans been doing it all wrong for the last 2.5 million years? I dont think so.
      As far as citing the recommendations of Doctors as proof of the validity of ones position, remember that doctors are not infallible. Remember it was doctors that prescribed paxil,thalidomide, and the dozens of other drugs that have over time killed literally millions of people. It is doctors that performed frontal lobotomies. In the last century it was doctors that ostracized one of their own, Dr Semmelweis, for his medical heresies. Remember what his “Heresy” was? It was that doctors wash their hands between patients to minimize the spread of infections.

  3. A few general points, likely to be lost in the jungle of status quo myths being promulgated here.
    1) Nothing you eat will make you an omnivore. That is a physiology descriptor. When you choose to eat non-vegan, you are a carnist. This is a CHOICE. This is also a choice virtually all cultures now force on innocent children. Every category of measurement with humans shows our **evolution** to be that of herbivores. Easily proven if you care to read. Evolutionary time is measured so much longer than the time of “hunter-gatherer” that this minor stretch is only relevant when you consider our level of dis-ease. Stuff enough crap you were not designed to process into your belly and you will get sick.
    2) There is NEVER any measurement of initial states of health of anyone in these studies. When people describe to me about a vegan hero sports star or bodybuilder, i always ask how long they were prior to going vegan, and what they did prior. This is crucial for long-term health. If you base your health decisions on the practices of high-end “fit” athletes, you will be greatly disappointed as you age. Being fit and being healthy are NOT synonymous.
    3) Rarely if ever is the issue of gut bacteria mentioned in these articles. This is one of **the** most important areas to discuss. The gut bacteria of a proper vegan with a varied diet is of a predominantly differing genus than carnists. This is also now being proven that this genus is better as a single dose of this bacteria can resolve lifelong digestive issues in those unfortunate souls who are suffers from non-vegan diets and IBS etc. Even probiotic manufactures are not yet fully hip to this. A vegan taking regular probiotics are actually tossing carnist gut bacteria into their systems, messing them up.
    4) The very simple matter of fact that we have a growing population of very healthy souls, all vegan, who are flourishing for many years proves we do not need meat or dairy. I am 4.5 years in, never get sick, am fitter than most half my age, and far healthier than most around me. If we were not meant to do this, we would be dying in short-order.
    5) Trying to isolate specific vitamins and supplements etc and their effects within a diet is almost ludicrous. Most openly genuine medical folk will patiently explain they don’t really understand what happens when food is digested, it is all educated guesses, snapshot of knowledge at one point in time, very very subject to change. Hell, take a leaf of spinach and chew it, swallow it and you have just ingested hundreds, if not thousands of natural chemicals. Case-in-point, medical science is starting to admit the obvious, that the so-called “junk DNA” miiiiight actually be doing something, and heck there might even be a secondary set of DNA involved. But don’t tell that to Monsanto et al as they screw up our future biosphere with their greed and GMO.
    6) One area rarely discussed is the linking of vegetarian and vegan diets. The ONLY connection they have is that a vegetarian diet is a stepping stone to a proper vegan diet and is horribly unhealthy as, in it’s current definition allowing dairy, it means that dairy has unfettered space to wreck havoc within our digestive tract. Given that dairy milk evolved as a fast-track for young calves to grow into large cows quickly and efficiently, using casein and a whole host of non-human bio-markers, can it be of any surprise how many unhealthy vegetarians there are? Casein is one of the world’s most efficient promoters of cancer, look it up. And oh, don’t forget the blood, pus and antibiotics in dairy milk.
    7) Finally, for now, any reference to how we ate, how we managed in caves etc, is almost entirely conjecture, much like most of how our bodies operate. Hell, science doesn’t even know how memory works. A thought repeated a thousand times does not make it fact. The status quo is a marvellous marketing beast, but being vegan, i won’t eat it.

    bored yet?

    • Wow, what a great place to throw in Mitchell and Webb. There is so much bullshit in these comments, I really needed a laugh. Thanks for a great contribution!

      • …it’s an ethical thing… I don’t think humans should be treated like this

        🙂

  4. Unless you have scientific evidence to share backing your claims, I’ll thank you now for your impassioned opinion piece.

    Science is on the side of those who choose a whole foods plant based diet.

  5. I am a physician who specializes in weight loss and nutrition. I have been studying nutrition for years. Wrote a book in 2007, The Experts Guide to Weight Loss Surgery, during which I recommended a Zone diet. Problem is that people didn’t do well on the Zone, nor Atkins. I, myself had high cholesterol and high blood pressure. SO I decided to dedicate myself to really studying nutritional science. The results were amazing to me and absolutely completely different to the assertions you make. I began adding a vegetarian diet as a treatment option and the response surprised me. The health of my patients improved beyond what I would have believed. I am now writing a book for Harper and have done extensive research of the literature. I have literally 1000 articles of real science disputing these myths that are so tiredly repeated. Adventist Health Study 1 and 2 among the best. Vegans lived longer and had less heart disease, cancer and diabetes. EPIC oxford study showed vegans compared equally to “healthy” meat eaters who only are meat occasionally. Obviously did much better than the typical English omnivore. The problem with that study is that the vegans only got 25 gm fiber compared to Adventist 45 gm so obviously we’re not eating as much fruits and veggies. More processed food. Also did not take any B12 and did not consume organic food so B12 was lacking, and yet we’re still extremely healthy. German study again showed vegans lived longer and healthier than omnivores. Bone health is actually superior in vegetarians and usually vegans EXCEPT in oxford study but again those were not healthy vegans. They were ethical vegans so didn’t eat right. Vegetarians tend to have slightly lower iron stores but never show increased anemia. Low iron stores may be key to long term health as heme iron causes oxidative stress and is associated with cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. I can go on forever. This internet Pseudo expert BS would be funny if it were not so dangerous to our health. 11 yrs treating obesity and I have never treated a vegan. Never. Lots of meat eaters. All meat eaters. In fact, the thousands of diet logs I have put together for my research show animals products are present at every meal, even when the patients are trying to eat healthy. They also suffer from osteoporosis, Vit D deficiency, B12 deficiency, and anemia.
    I will just add this quote from Eric Rimm. He is one of the head nutrition researchers at Harvard school of Public Health. He is not vegetarian. He has been researching the Men’s Health Profession study and the Nurses Professional study which are the largest prospective cohorts in America. They have published hundreds of studies on the effects of diet and health and introduced a novel statistical analysis called comparative risks analysis. Their studies have been damning to meat and processed meat while very affirming of fruits, veggies, legumes, and grains. Harvard, due to these studies, emphasizes a plant and grain heavy diet but not vegetarian. Given the findings he was asked why they didn’t just recommend vegetarian. He said,
    “Well, we could tell people to become vegetarians,” he added. “If we were truly basing this only on science, we would, but it is a bit extreme.”
    – Eric Rimm, a nutritional epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health
    So if they were actually basing it on science they would tell people to be vegetarian. This from one of the most recognized and accomplished nutritional researchers in the world.

  6. I was never more unhealthy than when I was clinging to the ideal of veganism for 12 years, getting my protein from soy products and consuming grains, eschewing fats of any kind, all in the name of optimal health pounding on a stack of nutritional bibles all the way. Once I added animal fats, meats & coconut oil into my diet and eliminate grains, the migraines, back aches, joint pains subsided, the psoriasis vanished, the acne disappeared, the hair stopped falling out, the anxiety and depression became manageable, my upper respiratory allergies that plagued me year-round all faded away. But during 11 1/2 of those years, there was no way you could have convinced me that my choice was an unhealthy one because I had an arsenal of “proof” I was making a good choice. I do not engage people in conversation about their food choices for exactly that reason. I simply set a glowing, healthy example of a 50+ year old woman who is clearly healthier than her thirtysomething former self.

    • There are vitamins A, D, E and K that are fat soluble and require fats to be carried within the body. This fact is widely known by many people. It wasn’t the right thing to avoid fats when you were vegan, that was why you might have missed out on absorbing those vitamins even though you were consuming them. And coconut oil reduced inflammation.

      • Maybe someone should tell that to Drs. Ornish and McDougall. Because they both promote veg*n diets that are low or no fat.

    • That’s interesting. I’ve had the opposite yet parallel experience. When I dropped animal products from my diet twelve years ago, my migraines lessened, my cholesterol and weight went down, I stopped getting chest and joint pain, and I had more energy. I feel better in my 50s than I did in my 30s. I consume a variety of beans, grains (no GMO wheat), nuts and seeds (for the healthy fats) and many vegetables and fruit. It’s possible that it wasn’t being vegan that was the problem for you, but the type of vegan diet.

  7. I know that both vegetarian and the Paleo diets are both healthier than the standard American diet because they both stress eating more real whole and usually organic fruits and veggies, in fact a vegetarian who eats eggs and doesn’t eat wheat/grains or legumes or dairy IS eating a paleo diet. The common ground here is the fruit and veggies. Extremely healthy to either diet follower. It’s the other things that the person is eating that is the main health ruiner. The refined carbohydrates. The flour and sugar and the enemies here. That and the hydrogenated vegetable oils. And vegan/vegetarians eating soy that hasn’t been fermented to get rid of its phytoestrogens/ antinutrient properties, are doing themselves not just a disservice but a health detriment. Plus most soy grown in the US anyway is GMO. The thing to think about is this: yes you can get the 9 essential amino acids (protein broken down) in plant sources but can you also get all the essential B vitamins as well from the same sources? Can you get CLA, ALA, COq10, choline and other nutrients from all the same plant sources? Meat is a one stop major protein source with ALL the essential amino acids but also allll these other sources of vitamins and antioxidants and minerals. Especially vitamin B12. Yes even meat eaters can be deficient in b12 and need to supplement as many people have leaky guts and their intrinsic factor in their gut has gone. Fruit and veggies provide many of the daily vitamins and minerals but it’s harder (but not impossible) to get all the essential amino acids from them. We’ve been lied to about meat being unhealthy. It’s not ESPECIALLY and maybe only if it is grassfed organic free range biodynamically raised. Which is actually a very ethical way to raise an animal which should persuade some vegans/vegetarians to question wether a happy animal that lives a happy life and then gives up it’s life so that people can eat it and actually become healthier, is that animal not serving a higher purpose then? Human beings are the smartest and dumbest animals on the planet and an animal that helps a smarter animal live longer and healthier, that doesn’t seem wrong. Also, why aren’t vegans and vegetarians protesting lions and tigers for eating gazelles? Why is it wrong for humans but not animals? Sure we aren’t running on animalistic instinct but if we deep down CRAVE meat, is that not some sort of animalistic instinct to survive? To feed the body what it needs? The human body does indeed need protein (amino acids) and more to keep physically fit. Muscular. If there is a deficiency of amino acids in the daily diet, the body will break down muscle to get what it needs. This is why a majority of vegans have less muscle tone and are skinnier. Skinny doesn’t equate healthier automatically. This is muscle wasting and is not ideal for health. Being strong is indeed healthy. Having muscles and muscle tone is healthy. And muscles need protein and a lot of it. Because the body uses amino acids for other things than just building muscle. The sulphuric amino acids, like methionine for instance help the body detox. Basically I think as long as a vegan is very smart and diligent in getting the essential amino acids and b vitamins and other vitamin and minerals, than, that diet is on par with a paleo diet. But a paleo meat eating diet isn’t worse. Grassfed organic meat is very healthy and ethically raised. And it’s the easiest source of all the essential amino acids and vitamins, etc in one place. A lot of vegans and even the mainstream society have placed little emphasis on how very important protein is and how very toxic sugar and flour (gluten) is. Both a paleo and vegan diet have more in common than not. Both are concerned in getting enough protein just from different sources. Both eat more fruit and veggies (or SHOULD BE) than the average person. Both realize that these whole foods are helping them become healthier. Both avoid dairy. It all boils down to a vegan/vegetarian eating too much gluten or quickly digested processed carbohydrates just like the average person eats because if you lower the protein intake, a person will usually get their calories from somewhere else and if those foods aren’t off limits then they get consumed more. Adequate protein will NOT induce an insulin response like high GI carbs will, therefore they being made of what the body needs, are not unhealthy. If you are a vegan or vegetarian, consider eating more non GMO fermented soy but keep in mind soy has antinutrients in it so you may need even MORE of the nutrients that it will block absorption of. And if just a vegetarian, eat more eggs, organic pastured free range eggs. And organic raw milk if you can get your hands on it although, consider not having it for a month, see how you feel, then introduce it and see how you feel. Same with eggs. A paleo/vegetarian diet hybrid would NOT be an unhealthy diet at all. Especially if adequate eggs were eaten daily, and plant sourced amino acids from a varying source. Eating Paleo and vegan/vegetarian is a harder diet for either camp but both are healthy. One just needs to work even harder than the other one and THAT is the point Chris is trying to make in this post.

  8. As a vegan I do eat ridiculous amounts of beta carotene, calcium and iron because that is what a plant based diet is all about. I eat sweet potatoes, kale, cilantro, black beans, avocados, nuts and much more everyday. That is a real vegan diet, not this idea of switching meat for soy and continuing a conventional American diet. I think that is what your article is based on – the fact that Americans do not know how to get the nutrition they need.

  9. Any diet where you have to supplement is probably not a good idea. It just is kinda intuitive to me anyway.

  10. I have been mostly vegan for over a year now. My hair is thicker, my body feels and looks amazing and my energy levels are off the charts. I must admit I’m educated about health and I eat veggies and no processed sugars. Your assessment of calcium is wrong, vegetarian populations have much lower rates of osteoporosis. I understand that most people don’t know enough to be healthy eating vegan but it’s possible. The toxins you consume in conventional meat are horrible. You forgot to mention all the sickness and malnutrition in our conventional diet of meat and sugar. Educated vegans do live longer and are healthier.

    • “Mostly vegan”?? Is that like being “just a bit pregnant”..? Presumably you mean “vegetarian”.. or maybe even omnivorous?

      All these folks who rationalise the nutrient deficiencies by explaining how others “did not do it right” or that “they need to be educated”.. really does not do any favours for advocating this lifestyle choice… why is eating properly such a complicated task?

      It also makes me doubly-concerned for those who force such a lifestyle choice on innocent children.. especially when I see an advocate of veganity above asking “What specific needs do children have? Care to clarify?” Seriously?!?

  11. Chris and others have their opinion about a vegan diet but from all the studies I read and books written by doctors that have reversed heart disease and diabetes, a whole plant-based diet with some supplements like B12, D3 or sunshine, zinc and K2 is the way to go for the best chance of good health.

    • Yet I reversed my Diabetes with a “plant-based diet” where I let my “food” eat the the plants for me, and no supplements needed 😛 Should I ignore my own experience in favour of some questionable studies and books?

  12. I was a vegetarian from 3 years for health reasons. I was diagnosed with gallstones and kidney stones at the age of 17!!
    I had no real medical coverage and the state wouldn’t provide coverage for the operation. The pompous ass doctor said, “The operation will cost $3,500.00”. I skulked out of the office. I put my mind to work to come up with a solution to my health problem. With the help of Transcendental Meditation, my mind led me to a health food store in a neighboring town.
    I found the books to aid me in my dilemma. So I started out with multiple fasts and changed my diet. After the fasts, I became a vegetarian. I went back to the doctor for an examination of the stones and they were completely gone. The doctor was very surprised and I told him how I did it. However, a bit of unusual strife came my way and I left town for military service. I do miss being a vegetarian and I’ll go back to if I make it to 70 years old.

    • so you were a vegetarian, which made you sick, then you meditated, fasted, became a vegetarian and got better. what a load of BS. hey, let’s keep some level to this thread pls. some comments are really sub-par.

  13. A Raw Vegan Lifestyle is a way to THRIVE. Look at individuals like Markus Rothkranz or Lou Corona. They look and feel incredible as I know Lou personally. There hair, skin, nails and bodies are thriving and they have sharp minds! Both living their passions in this life. I say each to their own however know that it is possible. Clean the body out first which both of these individuals did..injoy a simple life not so based around food. .its what we let go of that gives us our vital life power back!

  14. The thing that is missing here is protein.

    1. Most people are woefully low in daily protein intake, even omnivores.

    2. Too much protein is not bad for you. The amount of protein a person has to eat to stress the kidneys is so astronomically high that you wouldn’t hit half that by accidentally eating all the meat you could. There’s no threat here. People that overeat protein are healthier than people who overeat any other macronutrient (at the same overall calorie level.

    3. The proteins in meats are much more bioavailable than are those found in other foods. You’re lucky to find any non-meat food that approaches being a complete protein. A lean steak is going to have an unbelievable amount of protein while filling you up, being fairly low in calories, and making you feel like you’ve had a real treat. Chicken is even more protein-dense, lower in calories, and arguably more satiating – though I don’t know a ton of people who find it as delicious as a good steak. It’s very cheap, too!

        • It’s simple math based on data contained in an extensive review done by the World Health Organization, so yes. You’re welcome to double check the math…

          • The problem with associations or organizations is that they aren’t biochemists. World health organization says that elemental mercury is safe yet biochemistry research has shown over and over that elemental mercury causes gene mutations. Yet all this research is disregarded.

            Animal products contain “growth” proteins which aren’t found in plants. The human body is able to produce these growth proteins after physical activity.

            • OK, since you profess to depend on science, please tell us what these specific “growth proteins” in meat are. And perhaps you could also comment on the phytoestrogens in soy and other plant foods.

              • IGF1 and mTOR. I will also add Vitamin B3 is virtually non-existent in the majority of plant foods. How does the human body self-produce all the above in abundance? Anyone want to match my intellect instead of regurgitating nonsense from the associations/organizations?

                I haven`t read any of the soy science however I would guess that it effects the endogenous production of hormones the same way when taking testosterone. I don`t eat soy and other grains because they caused the leakage of some kind of liquid from my anus during sexual activity. Maybe the liquid is coming from the prostate. Don’t know. Definitely not healthy in my case.

                • I’m not the least impressed with your “intellect”, nor with your fixation on “associations/organizations”, whatever unnamed entities those may be. What fascinates me (besides your amazing sense of humility) is your unique response to soy and grains….

                • Hello,
                  I’m curious about the 2 things you listed. I’m not vegan, but am mostly vegetarian. Can you elaborate as to the studies and benefits of the IGF1 and mTOR (not a facetious question, just curious)? Anyway, it appears B3 or Niacin does appear in a variety of plants as well – mushrooms, tomatoes, carrot leaves etc were listed…http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/sources-of-vitamin-B3/2011/02/14/id/385965/

                  Perhaps you are saying there’s not enough of a high quantity of it?

                  At any rate, I was, on another note curious – apart from the veganism – just considering vegetarianism – how do you rate of countries such as India, that have huge vegetarian populations. Not that I’m a big fan of the corruption plaguing that system but, from a purely health perspective, wouldn’t you expect to see systemic health issues in their vegetarians, both the wealthy and poor?

                  Thanks,
                  Alice

  15. Haha. You can’t just drop Denise Minger’s name as though that is proof of anything. Denise is a pip, no doubt, and she’s just published a book – Death by Food Pyramid… She’s appears to be obsessively thorough, but who knows? You’d have to read both The China Study and her book and come to your own conclusions if that is possible. You can’t just drop “Denise Minger disproved The China Study on a couple of blog posts.” and consider that an argument that holds rice!

    • Erica, you are welcome to read the China Study, Denise’s critique and post your opinion. But something tells me- you are not going to spend several months of your life on thorough research. Far easier to bash the work of others outright.

    • Haha. You can’t just drop T. Colin Campbell’s name as though that is proof of anything … You can’t just drop “T. Colin Campbell proved The China Study on a couple of blog posts.” and consider that an argument that holds rice!

    • Ugh, the China Study was terrible. It sounded great — let’s look at this amazing amount of data from China! — and ended up being a bait and switch with practically no actual information about the China data at all. I read it when I was still an aspiring vegetarian and I hated it even then.

  16. Lifelong vegetarian no fish or eggs. 42 years old. Full bloods show normal levels for every test. Ran a marathon in November. I’m not sure what the point of an article like this is?

    • What blood tests did you get done? Do you take supplements?

      The point of this article is that the majority of vegetarians run into problems long term. Just because you are doing great so far doesn’t mean the others will. We all have different tolerance to carbs and different requirements in micro-nutrients. People should make informed decisions.

    • Maybe you should learn to read Dan… 🙂

      “The takeaway is that the most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that 68% of vegetarians and 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 5% of omnivores.”

      Lucky you to be in the small percentage who seem to be “doing it right”… shame on those who find it so hard to nourish themselves without animal products.. why the heck is it so hard to eat right???